boss is behaving unethically.
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(maintain YOUR ethics) and start looking for another job now.
Personally, I would not compromise my ethical standards for anyone or anything.
I know what you mean. But please, remind me why : (
(My mind is obviously clouded now : / )
Because if the company OR the law is investigating you will be in trouble for being an accomplice...and jail or even no jail...just having that on your record will keep you from working again...0 -
I would be looking for another job, but I would stay until I found said job. Because I have bills to pay and can't afford to just up and quit.
Depends. I would start whatever procedures your field has in place for reporting unethical behavior AND document everything that's going on, regardless. If you don't think that will help you resolve the problem and stay in your current job, do it anyway (maintain YOUR ethics) and start looking for another job now.
Personally, I would not compromise my ethical standards for anyone or anything.
^^ Pretty much sums up my point of view.
I am currently in a situation where I have been treated by a couple of supervisors in an incredibly unprofessional manner and so I have spoken to the right people thus far and am on track to finding something new.0 -
Large companies usually have ethics departments that you can contact anonymously. Whistle blower laws are also there to protect you if the actions are outright illegal.
lice.
Sadly, these don't always help. My MIL is facing something similar but she would be blowing the whistle on law enforcement. She works in a very corrupt place and is terrified.0 -
Document, document, document...........as much as you can remember from past incidents
dates, names, places, times, who said what, and who else was present..........do the same for all present and future incidents as long as you are employed there.......keep this in a safe place, certainly NOT at work..........and keep it for YEARS after you do leave..........cause if it's illegal at all, you never know when it's gonna rear it's ugy head and bite you on your *kitten*0 -
It really depends on the behavior you're referring to. I really don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't affect me.
and with that attitude, that's how 6 million Jews died during the Holocaust. . . .
Wow you people are all kinds of crazy.0 -
I don't have much to say about this since I am a college student who does not have a lot of experience. I've only worked one job, and I loved it.In the end you make the call but remember the longer you stay in the situation the more you become part of it.
But after reading through this thread, I think this is a kernel that should be taken away from it. What everyone else said was great insight as well, but I think that this is what it is at the core. There couldn't have been a simpler and more direct way to say it.0 -
Lawyers are the biggest crooks out there. The profession itself should be unethical.As a lawyer, I couldn't stay if my boss were behaving unethically. Ultimately, that would likely come down on my license as well.
Without knowing more specifics though it's hard for people to tell you. Usually if your gut tells you something is off it probably is.
Since I'm practically unethical, I would gather as much evidence as possible and blackmail the crap out of him.
Doubt you'd say that were I representing your child or your mother or father. But to each his own 0 -
Every boss I've ever had has done something illegal. Sadly it's commonplace in the corporate world. If you've been working there long enough to change jobs and have it look ok on your resume, apply for a new job. You'll still see bad things going on but a change is as good as a rest. I wish you well!0
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As a lawyer, I will say that you should get yourself an employment lawyer, pronto.
That's two attorneys with the same advice!0 -
I would be looking for another job, but I would stay until I found said job. Because I have bills to pay and can't afford to just up and quit.
Ditto.0 -
How illegal is it? How incriminated are you?
Even if you have bills to pay, jail time isn't worth collecting a paycheck.0 -
As a lawyer, I will say that you should get yourself an employment lawyer, pronto.
That's two attorneys with the same advice!
Make that three, but I'm not giving advice on a website. Let's call it a nudge.0 -
It really depends on the behavior you're referring to. I really don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't affect me.
and with that attitude, that's how 6 million Jews died during the Holocaust. . . .
WHOA.
And WHOA.
And also... yeah! That guy who helped the lady next door screaming saved four people from captivity...so I kinda agree even tho this was an incredibly heavy comparison.0 -
As a lawyer, I will say that you should get yourself an employment lawyer, pronto.
That's two attorneys with the same advice!
Make that three, but I'm not giving advice on a website. Let's call it a nudge.
Oooh. Yeah not "legal advice" as a I'm probably not licensed in the OP's state.
Good call!
I meant "advice" in a much more colloquial non-term-of-art way.
Though I did understand from my PR class that the only legal advice an attorney can give safely is to advise someone to get an attorney 0 -
Lawyers are the biggest crooks out there. The profession itself should be unethical.As a lawyer, I couldn't stay if my boss were behaving unethically. Ultimately, that would likely come down on my license as well.
Without knowing more specifics though it's hard for people to tell you. Usually if your gut tells you something is off it probably is.
Since I'm practically unethical, I would gather as much evidence as possible and blackmail the crap out of him.
Doubt you'd say that were I representing your child or your mother or father. But to each his own
It's been my experience that those that are the loudest about others' unethical behavior are often the ones that need to spend the most time reflecting on their own behavior.0 -
Lawyers are the biggest crooks out there. The profession itself should be unethical.As a lawyer, I couldn't stay if my boss were behaving unethically. Ultimately, that would likely come down on my license as well.
Without knowing more specifics though it's hard for people to tell you. Usually if your gut tells you something is off it probably is.
Since I'm practically unethical, I would gather as much evidence as possible and blackmail the crap out of him.
Doubt you'd say that were I representing your child or your mother or father. But to each his own
It's been my experience that those that are the loudest about others' unethical behavior are often the ones that need to spend the most time reflecting on their own behavior.
I took the comment as a joke. I mean, does anyone hate lawyers more than other lawyers anyways???? The last thing I want to do after work is hang out with a bunch of lawyers... unless they are lifting weights, listening to heavy metal, and talking about tattoo conventions.0 -
As a lawyer, I will say that you should get yourself an employment lawyer, pronto.
That's two attorneys with the same advice!
Make that three, but I'm not giving advice on a website. Let's call it a nudge.
Oooh. Yeah not "legal advice" as a I'm probably not licensed in the OP's state.
Good call!
I meant "advice" in a much more colloquial non-term-of-art way.
Though I did understand from my PR class that the only legal advice an attorney can give safely is to advise someone to get an attorney
It sounds like we may have a professor in common.0 -
It really depends on the behavior you're referring to. I really don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't affect me.
and with that attitude, that's how 6 million Jews died during the Holocaust. . . .
WHOA.
And WHOA.
And also... yeah! That guy who helped the lady next door screaming saved four people from captivity...so I kinda agree even tho this was an incredibly heavy comparison.
Of all the comments I posted today, this is the last one I thought I would be defending. My comment is posted under a work related topic, not the Holocaust.
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i said it was fine that it's not about fitness and fine to be honest about that."Of course" it affected your fitness? Sounds like you're just looking for a reason to post the question on this site.
Not everything here is about fitness. Did you see the girl who wants to be asked to Spring Fling?
Just own it.
omg-give me a break! Finding it hard just to be nice? Or are you just using this post as an excuse to be your rude self? Geez!
It would be helpful if you could explain how it is rude to state that someone should be honest about their intentions.
your sarcasm was duly noted-I am not here to argue so have a nice day0 -
i don't know if this is serious or not, and in what capacity that your boss is behaving unethically, but there are whistleblower laws out there to protect you.
this.if its that seripus REPORT IT. too often we dont. i reported my boss last year and he was investigated. a whole lot of other crap came out of it and at first i felt guilty. but we have responsibilities to do whats right too.0 -
It really depends on the behavior you're referring to. I really don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't affect me.
and with that attitude, that's how 6 million Jews died during the Holocaust. . . .
WHOA.
And WHOA.
And also... yeah! That guy who helped the lady next door screaming saved four people from captivity...so I kinda agree even tho this was an incredibly heavy comparison.
Of all the comments I posted today, this is the last one I thought I would be defending. My comment is posted under a work related topic, not the Holocaust.
Um. Thanks for the condescending gif. I agree that it was an unreasonable comparison.... but at the same time, I appreciate a healthy discussion about not being a bystander when something messed up is going down.
Granted, you don't know me.
But I spent a large part of yesterday reading and discussing this stuff after those women were rescued by their neighbor:
http://www.uwlax.edu/faculty/cerbin/ls/PSY Research Lesson Model of Bystander Intervention.htm
so, can I get some of this:
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I understand how stuff like this can eat away at you to the point where you can't function normally. I would suggest you spend some time thinking this through and maybe even mapping out your scenarios on paper. Do you have access to an EAP or mental health providers through your company? If so, I would call the EAP to see if they can set you up with a counselor or therapist for a few sessions so you can talk through this. I've used my company's EAP several times over the years when I was going through difficult life scenarios and found the guidance of counselors to be especially helpful.
I left my first job because I had an unethical manager. His actions weren't necessarily things that could impact lives, but it was stuff that completely went against my moral code. I gave him plenty of feedback to let him know how I felt and gave him the opportunity to change, but he failed me every time and I realized that I was also pretty much disillusioned with the company in general.
Regardless of how you proceed, let me suggest:
1) Document everything, but be mindful of how you do this depending on your company's computer usage rules. You don't want to create your own unethical situation where that is concerned!
2) If you do decide to report, don't expect immediate or decisive action. Waiting for the response can often be the most maddening part of the process. Also, be mindful that you may have to bark up more than one tree to even get a response.
3) Whether or not you decide to stay with the company depends on a lot of factors, one of the biggest being the impact to your working relationship with others in the organization, should you report your boss. Also, the size of the company and the position your boss holds in the company.
Good luck!!0 -
It really depends on the behavior you're referring to. I really don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't affect me.
and with that attitude, that's how 6 million Jews died during the Holocaust. . . .
WHOA.
And WHOA.
And also... yeah! That guy who helped the lady next door screaming saved four people from captivity...so I kinda agree even tho this was an incredibly heavy comparison.
Of all the comments I posted today, this is the last one I thought I would be defending. My comment is posted under a work related topic, not the Holocaust.
Um. Thanks for the condescending gif. I agree that it was an unreasonable comparison.... but at the same time, I appreciate a healthy discussion about not being a bystander when something messed up is going down.
Granted, you don't know me.
But I spent a large part of yesterday reading and discussing this stuff after those women were rescued by their neighbor:
http://www.uwlax.edu/faculty/cerbin/ls/PSY Research Lesson Model of Bystander Intervention.htm
so, can I get some of this:
My gif was (clearly) for the person claiming my behavior is the reason for the Holocaust.
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It really depends on the behavior you're referring to. I really don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't affect me.
and with that attitude, that's how 6 million Jews died during the Holocaust. . . .
WHOA.
And WHOA.
And also... yeah! That guy who helped the lady next door screaming saved four people from captivity...so I kinda agree even tho this was an incredibly heavy comparison.
Of all the comments I posted today, this is the last one I thought I would be defending. My comment is posted under a work related topic, not the Holocaust.
Um. Thanks for the condescending gif. I agree that it was an unreasonable comparison.... but at the same time, I appreciate a healthy discussion about not being a bystander when something messed up is going down.
Granted, you don't know me.
But I spent a large part of yesterday reading and discussing this stuff after those women were rescued by their neighbor:
http://www.uwlax.edu/faculty/cerbin/ls/PSY Research Lesson Model of Bystander Intervention.htm
so, can I get some of this:
My gif was (clearly) for the person claiming my behavior is the reason for the Holocaust.
LOL ok. I thought you already handed it to him.
My apologies.0 -
I would be looking for another job, but I would stay until I found said job. Because I have bills to pay and can't afford to just up and quit.
If I thought I could possibly be tied into something illegal I'd quit this second. I'm a financial advisor. Anything like that shows up on your record and you can kiss your career goodbye.0 -
I would advise to look for another job. I spent years trying to make a stressful job better. It never got better - only worse. When I finally left (because it was unbearable) - I realized how much of my time and energy it sucked out of me! Don't let anything or anybody steal your energy!0
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I don't bend my ethics for anyone.0
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I have seen a trainee teacher headbut a child in Japan and I shouted at him and told senior teachers, but knew nothing would be done about it. I saw a teacher in the UK try to forcibly open a disabled child's eyes, and after I reported it it never happened in front of me again, but who knows if she continued.
If others safety were involved I would automatically report it, but some rules end up being broken because otherwise you would put your own business at a disadvantage. In teaching in the UK, thanks to the systems in place, and as most teachers have worked in a number of schools so know how other schools behave, while examining boards tell teachers how to bend their own rules, true 'ethics' would be truly unfair. This is why I would support a return to 100% exam-based assessment.
So, to be totally ethical I would have to change industry, not just workplace.
While there is a black and white to these issues, reality (and age, I must admit) blurs them to grey.0 -
It really depends on the behavior you're referring to. I really don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't affect me.
and with that attitude, that's how 6 million Jews died during the Holocaust. . . .
Wow you people are all kinds of crazy.
Someone's sense of humor isn't on today, clearly!0 -
Lawyers are the biggest crooks out there. The profession itself should be unethical.As a lawyer, I couldn't stay if my boss were behaving unethically. Ultimately, that would likely come down on my license as well.
Without knowing more specifics though it's hard for people to tell you. Usually if your gut tells you something is off it probably is.
Since I'm practically unethical, I would gather as much evidence as possible and blackmail the crap out of him.
Doubt you'd say that were I representing your child or your mother or father. But to each his own
It's been my experience that those that are the loudest about others' unethical behavior are often the ones that need to spend the most time reflecting on their own behavior.
So keeping quiet about (highly probable) illegal activities-- which could get you or other co-workers fired, or worse-- reflects 'good' behavior, as opposed to being a snitch and revealing your alleged issues of character which is 'bad'...? How does that logic work, exactly? I'm a bit confused here.0
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