Misconceptions of Organic food(s)
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We are transitioning into grass-fed and more ethically treated regional/local beef.
This always makes me happy. There is more supporting evidence that grass fed beef is healthier for you(kinda obvious) but we will be happier and our food will be happier.0 -
okay, but organic DOES mean NON-GMO. that alone is worth the extra cost to me.
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Says you.
maybe i cantSo? What's your point exactly? That we should all gobble down regular GMO food sprayed with MORE pesticides?
Very logic.
lol @ pesticides = GMO
thank god I can wash pesticides off
What makes you think you are an organic person?
You take medication dont you?
Where did you see that I said pesticides = GMO. Can't read?
but what harm can the pesticides do ingested in small amounts? I am sure ingesting some of the bugs can be much worse than a pesticide depending on the type
The small amounts accumulate over time. Our liver and kidneys are not made to filter those kind of man-made chemicals.
Now provide some evidence because I'm not taking your word for it since your credentials amount to "Internet Poster".
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I do not disagree with you and I obviously do not disagree with the research and evidence.
However, the produce I eat is still 90% organic. There are many other reasons why I, and others, choose to buy organic produce.
You are more than entitled to eat anything you want. If it's not for "safety" or "extra nutrition" mind if I ask what the other reasons are?
Taste. Most conventionally grown fruit tastes like **** to me. I find organic has more flavor. Good examples are bananas, apples, and berries. After eating organic for a while, there is a noticeable taste and often a texture difference to me. I’m a food snob, and I like my food to taste good. The taste difference alone is worth the cost difference to me.
I think there is still some controversy around whether or not it’s “better for the environment” or will help us combat climate change, so those are not huge reasons for me.
And as I think about it more, choosing local is far more important to me than choosing organic. They just often come together, and I have better reasons for eating local than I do for eating organic produce. I will nearly always choose organic for other food products though. I do avoid GM foods for reasons other than taste or nutrition/health.
and tomatoes! i thought something was wrong with my mouth when my regular tomato tasted like nothing. got me some organic tomatoes, delicious! like eating sunshine.0 -
I'm shocked at the number of people that seem to think organic means homegrown or available at Farmer's Markets. I'm not sure if they even tie it to pesticides, or just think no one local would use pesticides.
My biggest beef is the pesticides that are systematically wiping out the honeybee population.
I'm alergic to bee's so...
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i bet its environmental and animal treatment like myselfI do not disagree with you and I obviously do not disagree with the research and evidence.
However, the produce I eat is still 90% organic. There are many other reasons why I, and others, choose to buy organic produce.
You are more than entitled to eat anything you want. If it's not for "safety" or "extra nutrition" mind if I ask what the other reasons are?
Fair enough, just curious. :drinker:0 -
So? What's your point exactly? That we should all gobble down regular GMO food sprayed with MORE pesticides?
Very logic.
GMO & pesticides are mutually exclusive. My only point is that most people have this common misconception of what food labeled as "Organic" actually means and/or is.0 -
My only opinion on this subject is the experience of a friend of mine.... She was in kidney failure and wanted to delay dialysis as long as possible and live as long as possible in hopes of receiving a kidney transplant. She got away from all chemicals, including cleaning supplies, bath products, make-up, and ate only organic foods. This was to reduce the amount of toxins her kidneys had to deal with.... Her doctors were amazed that she could live with such a low level of kidney function and she was able to delay dialysis for over a year after the Dr. was SURE she would need it. She also relates the direct correlation of eating non-organic or using a chemical product to feeling really bad for days after. She did finally receive a transplant and is doing very well. I know that she had a major health issue that made her not be able to deal with non-organic foods but it makes me wonder if there is something to organic eating. Do I eat organic... uh, no. Guess I have yet to find my compelling reason to go to the trouble it would take to make that happen!!! I do grow many of our vegetables, and we have hens who eat plenty of bugs and grass for our eggs and to provide the fertilizer for the garden!!!.0
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I buy organic pastured meat/eggs/dairy because it is more nutritious, and because when I drive by the land o lakes farms and see the cows that never leave their stalls it gives me a sad. I buy organic fair trade bananas/sugar/chocolate/coffee, because it's easily available to me, it fits in my budget, and I feel like less of a jerk. I try to support local farmers- many of whom choose to grow organic produce because there is a market for it. If I had to choose between organic and pastured/local/fair trade I would choose the latter, but around here at least they tend to go hand it hand.
This is my ideal, though I don't always reach it. The OP doesn't really address either animal products (proven deficiencies) or GMOs (no conclusive evidence supporting safety, which for me, means we should be more wary than we are).
I agree that the science isn't there on plant crops AND it is not really economically sustainable or equitable globally. But if local is organic, or if organic tastes better in a given instance, I'm buying that.
I remain baffled that anyone ever believed that organic fruits and vegetables were nutritionally different. I'm not really sure anyone did - it seems like a straw man argument offered by the pesticide and corporate farming industry to discredit organics. I'll believe you if you show me evidence that an organic group advocated organics as nutritionally superior, but I've never personally seen it.
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The small amounts accumulate over time. Our liver and kidneys are not made to filter those kind of man-made chemicals.
Better cleanse then.0 -
The small amounts accumulate over time. Our liver and kidneys are not made to filter those kind of man-made chemicals.
Better cleanse then.
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In for watching people crusade against the evil corporations and then fall for their organic marketing routine. Good stuff posted here.0
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okay, but organic DOES mean NON-GMO. that alone is worth the extra cost to me.
Bingo.. until there is complete transparency with GMO and verified results of the effects of all the various types of GMO on people.. i'm gonna avoid it all.
what does TL:DR mean???
ETA: Also agree that organic tastes better.. :~)0 -
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what does TL:DR mean???
Too long; didn't read
I admit I only skimmed it. :blushing:0 -
We are transitioning into grass-fed and more ethically treated regional/local beef.
This always makes me happy. There is more supporting evidence that grass fed beef is healthier for you(kinda obvious) but we will be happier and our food will be happier.
Not for nothing, but grass fed+finished beef is some of the best tasting beef I've ever had. Most beef is grass fed due to cost, but then feedlots feed them a high corn and soy finishing diet to increase fat.0 -
okay, but organic DOES mean NON-GMO. that alone is worth the extra cost to me.
Thanks for posting this. It is something I've been wondering about, but haven't much researched yet. This confirms what I was starting to hear.
To address the quote above, are we sure about that? Yes, it is law, but even Whole Foods has admitted they have GMO foods.
http://www.infowars.com/whole-foods-admits-its-organic-foods-contain-genetically-modified-ingredients/
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1599110,00.html0 -
Very interesting read. Not that I ever bought into the whole "Organic" thing, but I do try and buy locally when applicable. Generally, around here, that means organic. As stated before, there is a taste difference in a handful of the foods, and I try and avoid GMOs whenever possible. That being said...I still shop at the chain grocery stores for the sweet deals too.0
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Excerpt from the EPA re: accumulation: http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/cumulative/
"The Agency has determined so far that five groups of pesticides each have a common mechanism of toxicity and require cumulative risk assessments because exposure to these pesticide groups may pose potential risks to human health and the environment. The five groups are: the organophosphates, N-methyl carbamates, triazines, chloroacetanilides, and pyrethrins/pyrethroids."
Half of synthetic pesticides used in today's crops are carcinogenic. That is enough to make me not want to ingest them, or feed them to my children--same for herbicides, and fungicides!
And the EPA is being lobbied by one of the big AG companies to up the "safe" limit of glyphosate( commonly used herbicide) to even higher levels. This is in direct contradiction to a recent study that shows how much damage can occur from exposure....it damages the P450 enzymatic system (liver)--which you should know.....is the same enzymatic system that processes alcohol! So all you beer aficionado's probably just sat up a bit more straight! It also--over time--causes cellular damage to systems all over the body. Here is the study if you want to take a look (it's a PDF):
https://www.google.com/search?q=release+of+a+study+showing+that+glyphosate+inhibits+the+growth+of+beneficial+gut+bacteria+and+leads+to+the+overgrowth+of+pathogenic+bacteria.&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS385US385&aq=f&oq=release+of+a+study+showing+that+glyphosate+inhibits+the+growth+of+beneficial+gut+bacteria+and+leads+to+the+overgrowth+of+pathogenic+bacteria.&aqs=chrome.0.57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I agree with some of the previous posters: I prefer local, organic is a bonus, grass/pastured/happy animals is a must, as is Non-GMO because of the lack of long term safety testing (read: none!). What I dislike is that we as nation are subsidizing chemically produced food, which becomes highly processed ( no nutrition) and adds to our nations chronic illness issues. Your tax dollars are being used to subsidize these crops! On the other hand, organic farms must "prove" that they aren't using synthetic pesticides, are using approved pesticides ( and must prove it), must pay for the "organic" status, and are not even allowed the same insurance safety nets or marketing dollars provided to conventional farmers. Folks--the playing field is not level here! This is just bad business, and we are all paying for it--regardless of what it is you think you are buying!0 -
Says you.
maybe i cantSo? What's your point exactly? That we should all gobble down regular GMO food sprayed with MORE pesticides?
Very logic.
lol @ pesticides = GMO
thank god I can wash pesticides off
What makes you think you are an organic person?
You take medication dont you?
Where did you see that I said pesticides = GMO. Can't read?
but what harm can the pesticides do ingested in small amounts? I am sure ingesting some of the bugs can be much worse than a pesticide depending on the type
The small amounts accumulate over time. Our liver and kidneys are not made to filter those kind of man-made chemicals.
Now provide some evidence because I'm not taking your word for it since your credentials amount to "Internet Poster".
Why do I need to do the job for you?
Because you're the one making the claim. Burden of proof is on you.0 -
To the OP: Is that a pic of a pop tart ice cream sammich??? lol. Touche!0
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To the OP: Is that a pic of a pop tart ice cream sammich??? lol. Touche!
Yes it is.
<--- Red Velvet pop tarts w/ Red Velvet Cake Ben & Jerry's ice cream0 -
So I posted this Friday afternoon before a 3 day weekend. Let us see if it gets more legs on a Tuesday morning. Hope everyone ate all the food this weekend.0
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okay, but organic DOES mean NON-GMO. that alone is worth the extra cost to me.
Yes, it is law, but even Whole Foods has admitted they have GMO foods.
http://www.infowars.com/whole-foods-admits-its-organic-foods-contain-genetically-modified-ingredients/
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1599110,00.html0 -
So? What's your point exactly? That we should all gobble down regular GMO food sprayed with MORE pesticides?
Very logic.
You didn't get the point did you?
It's not safer. It's not more nutritious.
Your proposed worse alternative doesn't exist because there isn't a difference.0 -
So? What's your point exactly? That we should all gobble down regular GMO food sprayed with MORE pesticides?
Very logic.
You didn't get the point did you?
It's not safer. It's not more nutritious.
Your proposed worse alternative doesn't exist because there isn't a difference.
You win.0 -
So? What's your point exactly? That we should all gobble down regular GMO food sprayed with MORE pesticides?
Very logic.
You didn't get the point did you?
It's not safer. It's not more nutritious.
Your proposed worse alternative doesn't exist because there isn't a difference.
How could there not be a difference? Whether one has or has not been proven more nutritious or safer, there is still a difference.0 -
I was aware that organic food wasn't any more nutritionally beneficial than non organic however I was unaware of the impact it had on our environment.
Thanks for the read.
Two thumbs up.0 -
So? What's your point exactly? That we should all gobble down regular GMO food sprayed with MORE pesticides?
Very logic.
You didn't get the point did you?
It's not safer. It's not more nutritious.
Your proposed worse alternative doesn't exist because there isn't a difference.
But! But! I found a doctor who says the toxins build up and cause heart disease!
http://www.realfarmacy.com/world-renown-heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease#4iofh9umjWroDuIv.01
Yes, he had his medical license revoked in 2008, but he said it, so it must be true.
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So? What's your point exactly? That we should all gobble down regular GMO food sprayed with MORE pesticides?
Very logic.
You didn't get the point did you?
It's not safer. It's not more nutritious.
Your proposed worse alternative doesn't exist because there isn't a difference.
How could there not be a difference? Whether one has or has not been proven more nutritious or safer, there is still a difference.
Spoken like a religious fanatic. It is because I believe it is.0
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