Running...help or hinder weight loss??
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Lots of replies. . . my 2 cents: IF you are burning enough calories running to help create a deficit, you should see the scale move. I had lost about 20 lbs before I started running. . .it took months. Then, when I started training for the half marathon. . .another 12 pounds slipped off in quite short order. I was controlling my calorie intake, burning quite a bit on 4 runs a week, and strength training. So, I'd say up the effort/miles and watch watch watch the calories in.
But, my biggest hope for you is that you develop a love for running. It's so freeing to get out and GO! No mirrors, no machines, just you, the trail/road/pavement/etc, and maybe some music. It's a the best kept secret of running!!!0 -
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You don't get there with *just* running, though.
"To perfect her stride and running economy, Richards-Ross relies heavily on interval work. Close to competition, she will run a few 600s, resting five to 10 minutes in between. Then, she’ll dive into 12 grueling intervals of 200 meters that she has to finish in fewer than 30 seconds. She rests two minutes between sprints. But in an event during which the first three to four seconds can determine the outcome, strength and power are key.
“My weight-room work varies depending on the time of year, but in the early season, we’re doing circuit training,” she says. “During that time, I may be doing bodyweight stuff like pull-ups, push-ups and dips to get ready for the next phase, which is more dynamic. Then, we get into snatches, power cleans, overhead squats, leg extensions, leg presses and Romanian deadlifts for hamstring stabilization.”"
http://www.muscleandperformancemag.com/departments/profile/2012/2/olympic-strength0 -
You don't get there with *just* running, though.
"To perfect her stride and running economy, Richards-Ross relies heavily on interval work. Close to competition, she will run a few 600s, resting five to 10 minutes in between. Then, she’ll dive into 12 grueling intervals of 200 meters that she has to finish in fewer than 30 seconds. She rests two minutes between sprints. But in an event during which the first three to four seconds can determine the outcome, strength and power are key.
“My weight-room work varies depending on the time of year, but in the early season, we’re doing circuit training,” she says. “During that time, I may be doing bodyweight stuff like pull-ups, push-ups and dips to get ready for the next phase, which is more dynamic. Then, we get into snatches, power cleans, overhead squats, leg extensions, leg presses and Romanian deadlifts for hamstring stabilization.”"
http://www.muscleandperformancemag.com/departments/profile/2012/2/olympic-strength
I didn't say anything...let alone say she got there with just running. There's a balance. Sure, run..but you need to push the weights. Balance is the key.0 -
My personal experience...
I started running at the end of last year (over a year after I achieved my goal weight, so I took it up out of curiosity rather than a desire to lose weight). Nothing extreme: about 3.5 miles 3 - 5 times/week. Been doing it ever since.
I didn't lose at all during the first 5 months of running. I actually gained a couple of pounds.
About three months ago I added in more strength training using free weights and body-weight exercises. I'd been doing some prior to then, but pretty moderate amounts. I doubled the weight I was lifting and within a month I noticed my weight dropping. Overall it's dropped about 5 pounds, and I have far more defined and noticeable muscle than I did prior to increasing the weight training.
Not sure why it's gone down instead of up (since muscle weighs more than fat) but whatever. My clothes fit better, I've lost inches, and I like the way my body looks now.
That's just what happened for me. Short story - I highly recommend resistance training!
Good luck!
This post right here ^^^^^^^^
I took up running to help shift the last 7lbs I wanted to get rid off. Running helps to keep my weight about right, but the ONLY change I've noticed in any of my muscle definition has been in the last 3 months - and it's been from doing weights/lifting heavy (haha my idea of heavy, that is!). Running left my "skinny fat" to say the least. I run 3x a week, minimum of 6 or 7 miles x 2 and one 10-12 miler - so I should have been burning fat like a good 'un - but I wasn't. Or not so you'd notice. Until I hit the weights.
If you want a DVD or something to follow then give Chalean Extreme a go - you can do it with resistance bands if you don't have weights. I've found it really good - I find it easier to follow than a book because I can see someone actually doing the exercise so I know what I'm supposed to be doing.
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I love to run! I can a)tell I have lost fat and b) tell I have gained muscle. My waist/hips arenas as big but my thighs are bigger. I am in Colorado and run outside so everything I run is up hill to an extent (meaning I don't long run the Rockies every weekend).
The people saying you won't build from running aren't doing to right. Run a hill and you will gain muscle! I don't lift at all, body weight work outs only
People aren't saying you can't build muscle from running. Hills and Sprints will build muscle. Just going out for a 2 mile run on a flat path or treadmill, isn't going to do it.
***Edit*** To the point that you'd really notice.
Which is why I pointed out *I* see results because *I* am in Colorado and its very hilly so if general you want results from just running to hit the hills0 -
First off.. You are not gaining muscle.. not even a teeny tiny bit. Unless you doing heavy strength training, eating in a calorie surplus and taking steroids, there is no way muscle is being gained.
Wow, there's some BS. Steroids??? You can't gain muscle without steroids? Runners DO get muscle gain in their legs (though not likely with a calorie deficit). They don't need steroids to do it. I'm not even convinced you can't gain a little muscle WITH a calorie deficit because my thigh muscles have certainly seemed to get larger. But the steroids comment is just ridiculous.
Wrong again! anytime to train a specific muscle group, lets say the legs that is needed for running you will gain a certain amount of muscle. Didn't it ever occur to you that holding up the rest of your body while running was putting the stress needed to define and build those muscles. Are you going to go all iron man on anyone, no.......but you will build up those muscles!
Glad to see I wasn't the only one that had difficulty with this post.
Glad to see that you two are clearly special snowflakes.
Women have a hard time gaining muscle anyway due to lack of testoerone.. hence where the steroid comment comes into play.
I run for about 2.5 miles, 2 to 3 times a week plus I lift and I am not gaining muscle.. and I highly doubt OP is either.
What you two are most likely seeing is the muscle becoming more pronounced due to fat loss.. but it is highly unlikely that you are building muscle doing long distance running.0 -
OP your thread has become a debate teams latest project lol heres a fact for you...
Dieters lose up to 40% more weight if strength training is applied with cardio. If all your looking for is a lean skinny look keep running if u want to lean out, tone up, and convert the fat you already have strength train along with your cardio.0 -
I love to run! I can a)tell I have lost fat and b) tell I have gained muscle. My waist/hips arenas as big but my thighs are bigger. I am in Colorado and run outside so everything I run is up hill to an extent (meaning I don't long run the Rockies every weekend).
The people saying you won't build from running aren't doing to right. Run a hill and you will gain muscle! I don't lift at all, body weight work outs only
People aren't saying you can't build muscle from running. Hills and Sprints will build muscle. Just going out for a 2 mile run on a flat path or treadmill, isn't going to do it.
***Edit*** To the point that you'd really notice.
Which is why I pointed out *I* see results because *I* am in Colorado and its very hilly so if general you want results from just running to hit the hills
You said "the people who aren't gaining muscle from running aren't doing it right". It depends on what results you're looking for for it to be right or wrong... just say'n.0 -
Hi,
I am still fairly new to running. I usually run/walk 4-5 times a week for about 2.5 miles. I have been doing this for about 6 weeks or so. I am not really seeing any weight loss. Just wondering if you think it helps or hinders you?? I know that I am building muscle, just wondering when I will be able to lose at least another 10 pounds to be in my healthy bmi. Sometimes when I am unusally stressed (like yesterday) I will do a couple of runs. Maybe I am overtraining??? What are the signs of that?? I have my calories set at 1700 but almost never eat over 1400. Just have such a curbed appetite since I started running... Thank you so much!!
Hi! Running definitely helps me lose weight, though it has been slow and gradual. I started running in February of 2011, and since then have lost around 25lbs. I am really close to my goal weight though, which I think is a major contributor to the slowness of my loss.
One thing I can tell you is that rest days are just as important as your running/walking days! I usually see a 1-2lb gain after my short runs during the week, which is lost the next day (which is always a rest day). And for me, it has to be a rest day...if I do any kind of exercise (except easy walking), then I retain the water until I take a rest day. So what works best for me is a run every other day, with a rest day in between.
Right now I am doing run/walk intervals for my runs, and I have increased my daily and weekly milage in preparation for some upcoming races. Since I started tracking calories and upped my milage, I have started to lose weight more consistently. So I think you should stick with the running!! Just fiddle with your training regimen to see what will work best for you. At minimum, you are DEFINITELY improving your cardiovascular health and overall endurance, and as you find the best running workout for you, you should start to see a weight loss.
In the meantime, since you didn't say, how are your clothes fitting you? You may not be losing weight per se (due to water retention), but hopefully you are seeing some differences in your measurements! 0 -
Wrong again! anytime to train a specific muscle group, lets say the legs that is needed for running you will gain a certain amount of muscle. Didn't it ever occur to you that holding up the rest of your body while running was putting the stress needed to define and build those muscles. Are you going to go all iron man on anyone, no.......but you will build up those muscles!
Glad to see I wasn't the only one that had difficulty with this post.First off.. You are not gaining muscle.. not even a teeny tiny bit. Unless you doing heavy strength training, eating in a calorie surplus and taking steroids, there is no way muscle is being gained.
Wow, there's some BS. Steroids??? You can't gain muscle without steroids? Runners DO get muscle gain in their legs (though not likely with a calorie deficit). They don't need steroids to do it. I'm not even convinced you can't gain a little muscle WITH a calorie deficit because my thigh muscles have certainly seemed to get larger. But the steroids comment is just ridiculous.
Glad to see that you two are clearly special snowflakes.
Women have a hard time gaining muscle anyway due to lack of testoerone.. hence where the steroid comment comes into play.
I run for about 2.5 miles, 2 to 3 times a week plus I lift and I am not gaining muscle.. and I highly doubt OP is either.
What you two are most likely seeing is the muscle becoming more pronounced due to fat loss.. but it is highly unlikely that you are building muscle doing long distance running.
So your telling me that If I keep lifting the same amount of weight over and over(which is what running does essiantly, since it's body weight that you are lifting) that I will build muscle and get stronger? I think not.
In order for muscle to build and strength to happen, you need to keep overloading the muscle...lifting my body weight day after day running, means my body is going to get used to that and stop responding.. which means strength and muscle building stop. In order to get that to start up again, I'd need to add some sort of weight.. which is kind of hard to do running since most people use running to lose weight and not gain it.
Slice it anyway you like, but the effects of muscle building during running will eventually stop.. and to get it going again, you need to lift weights.0 -
Hi,
I am still fairly new to running. I usually run/walk 4-5 times a week for about 2.5 miles. I have been doing this for about 6 weeks or so. I am not really seeing any weight loss. Just wondering if you think it helps or hinders you?? I know that I am building muscle, just wondering when I will be able to lose at least another 10 pounds to be in my healthy bmi. Sometimes when I am unusally stressed (like yesterday) I will do a couple of runs. Maybe I am overtraining??? What are the signs of that?? I have my calories set at 1700 but almost never eat over 1400. Just have such a curbed appetite since I started running... Thank you so much!!
Hi! Running definitely helps me lose weight, though it has been slow and gradual. I started running in February of 2011, and since then have lost around 25lbs. I am really close to my goal weight though, which I think is a major contributor to the slowness of my loss.
One thing I can tell you is that rest days are just as important as your running/walking days! I usually see a 1-2lb gain after my short runs during the week, which is lost the next day (which is always a rest day). And for me, it has to be a rest day...if I do any kind of exercise (except easy walking), then I retain the water until I take a rest day. So what works best for me is a run every other day, with a rest day in between.
Right now I am doing run/walk intervals for my runs, and I have increased my daily and weekly milage in preparation for some upcoming races. Since I started tracking calories and upped my milage, I have started to lose weight more consistently. So I think you should stick with the running!! Just fiddle with your training regimen to see what will work best for you. At minimum, you are DEFINITELY improving your cardiovascular health and overall endurance, and as you find the best running workout for you, you should start to see a weight loss. In the meantime, since you didn't say, how are your clothes fitting you? You may not be losing weight per se (due to water retention), but hopefully you are seeing some differences in your measurements!
Thank you for your advice. I am really enjoying it. It is so hard for me to take a rest day...running seems to be a real stress reliever for me...I really do need to take measurements though:)0 -
As a trail runner, I have to vouch for the definition of runners' legs. I love my legs when I'm doing lots of running, especially trail running (anyone who thinks that running is repetitive or doesn't build muscle clearly hasn't run any mountains...).
Yes your body can "eat" your muscles if you don't fuel it properly. But that generally happens after glycogen stores are gone, and most people aren't running that long (it takes around 20 miles in one run to do that... that's why people "hit the wall" around the 20 mile mark of a marathon). You can also push that boundary back through training.
But that's off-topic. You asked about weight loss. I have to say that the only time I lose weight from running is when my mileage is really high (70-100km per week). Otherwise it's for cardiovascular health, general fitness, stress relief, and the joy of the run.
I know plenty of other people who HAVE lost weight with running though (including one friend who lost over 100lb through running and healthy eating). I think it varies a lot from person to person and includes lots of factors... like what other activities you're doing, how much weight you need to lose, and how many calories you're eating.
What I love about mfp is that they count the exercise into your daily calorie goal... so I say aim for that goal (that means eat back enough calories for your activity). Too little and you won't be adequately fueled.0 -
Right on! I dare anyone to look at my calf muscles and tell me that running doesn't strengthen legs!0
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First off.. You are not gaining muscle.. not even a teeny tiny bit. Unless you doing heavy strength training, eating in a calorie surplus and taking steroids, there is no way muscle is being gained.
Wow, there's some BS. Steroids??? You can't gain muscle without steroids? Runners DO get muscle gain in their legs (though not likely with a calorie deficit). They don't need steroids to do it. I'm not even convinced you can't gain a little muscle WITH a calorie deficit because my thigh muscles have certainly seemed to get larger. But the steroids comment is just ridiculous.
Glad to see I wasn't the only one that had difficulty with this post.
Glad to see that you two are clearly special snowflakes.
Women have a hard time gaining muscle anyway due to lack of testoerone.. hence where the steroid comment comes into play.
I run for about 2.5 miles, 2 to 3 times a week plus I lift and I am not gaining muscle.. and I highly doubt OP is either.
What you two are most likely seeing is the muscle becoming more pronounced due to fat loss.. but it is highly unlikely that you are building muscle doing long distance running.0 -
I have lost most of my weight running, but I icrease my speed to full for 30-40 sec than run steady for a song....back to full speed ahead. Confusion works well on the body. I also do Jillean's CD which is weight training. My legs have never been so tone!!! keep up the great work...just do interval training. Take days off too!!!0
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I prefer walking uphill at a moderate-slow pace because you get basically the same burn with less strain. There's a saying you don't run to get fit, you get fit to run. Depending on how heavy you are it can kill your joints. I have bad hips and it puts me out of the gym for a few days because it messes up my hip so bad when I run.0
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First off.. You are not gaining muscle.. not even a teeny tiny bit. Unless you doing heavy strength training, eating in a calorie surplus and taking steroids, there is no way muscle is being gained.
Wow, there's some BS. Steroids??? You can't gain muscle without steroids? Runners DO get muscle gain in their legs (though not likely with a calorie deficit). They don't need steroids to do it. I'm not even convinced you can't gain a little muscle WITH a calorie deficit because my thigh muscles have certainly seemed to get larger. But the steroids comment is just ridiculous.
Wrong again! anytime to train a specific muscle group, lets say the legs that is needed for running you will gain a certain amount of muscle. Didn't it ever occur to you that holding up the rest of your body while running was putting the stress needed to define and build those muscles. Are you going to go all iron man on anyone, no.......but you will build up those muscles!
Glad to see I wasn't the only one that had difficulty with this post.
Glad to see that you two are clearly special snowflakes.
Women have a hard time gaining muscle anyway due to lack of testoerone.. hence where the steroid comment comes into play.
I run for about 2.5 miles, 2 to 3 times a week plus I lift and I am not gaining muscle.. and I highly doubt OP is either.
What you two are most likely seeing is the muscle becoming more pronounced due to fat loss.. but it is highly unlikely that you are building muscle doing long distance running.
Jeez, I hate to call you ignorant, but since you don't worry about insulting people, I won't either. If you're running a whopping 7.5 miles a week, you aren't going to lose much weight or build muscle. But a nice 5 miles run will burn anywhere from 400 to 800 calories, depending on your weight and how fast you do it. Do that 5 times in a week and it's at least half a pound lost. Calories are calories - if you burn enough of them, you lose weight. It really IS just that simple.
Growing muscles is a little different - there's a mountain of evidence that running the same distance over the same terrain at the same pace isn't very effective. But by spicing up your schedule (long days, short days, speed days, hill days) you should keep from hitting that plateau. And I agree with another great post earlier - one of the best ways to keep your body guessing is to run trails. The constant changes in elevation, stride, etc. really works.0 -
Totally agree with you there! When I was younger and skinny, I had no calf definition. But since I started running, I have started to develop some...LOL, I am so astonished by it that I keep bugging my husband and pointing it out!Right on! I dare anyone to look at my calf muscles and tell me that running doesn't strengthen legs!0 -
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:indifferent: OK so the nice lady seemed to be asking why she is not losing weight...maybe we can all leave our opinions out of it and tell her what we did to lose weight (as some did and thank you for that).
I personally weighed 250lbs one year ago, I started running on a regular basis, i started eating right, i started losing weight. the only muscle that I have gained is in my legs. I currently run between 40 and 50km per week, and recently started adding some core training (weights, situps, pushups, planks). My weigh in on Sunday was 189lbs.
Hope this was helpful :ohwell:
Thank you!! Thank you!!
You are very welcome
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Running helps weight loss. Running will not build muscle.0
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Right on! I dare anyone to look at my calf muscles and tell me that running doesn't strengthen legs!
There's a difference in strengthening, defining, and building muscle to the point you see it on the scale.0 -
I wouldnt say that my thighs and calves have never changed size since i hit my full height or near to just exchanged fat for muscle and kept the same circumfrence and I used to gain 10 lbs muscle weight every yr from the beginning of august to the end of december doing marching band now im running and the same is happening again but then again my muscle structure is a little odd compared to most ppl its for some with a frame a few inches taller compacted down to about 5'10
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I wouldnt say that my thighs and calves have never changed size since i hit my full height or near to just exchanged fat for muscle and kept the same circumfrence and I used to gain 10 lbs muscle weight every yr from the beginning of august to the end of december doing marching band now im running and the same is happening again but then again my muscle structure is a little odd compared to most ppl its for some with a frame a few inches taller compacted down to about 5'1
It's virtually impossible to gain 10 lbs of muscle in 5 mos.0 -
Let's throw out the controversial whether you can build muscle in a calorie deficit or not for a minute. I don't know the answer to that either way.
Let's talk about muscle building from running while in maintenance mode, or a calorie surplus. You seriously think running doesn't build muscle? You seriously think that propelling my weight off the ground isn't a strength exercise? Really? So I guess pushups aren't a strength building exercise either. Good to know. I'll stop doing those since they're pointless.
No, not a strength exercise. I can do 100 pushups easily, but that's about 1/50th of the strides taken in a run. That's endurance, not strength. Are we really debating if people get big and strong enough to gain weight by normal running?
To the OP, running burns calories, so I can only aid in your weight loss. If you aren't losing, it's most likely you aren't in a calorie deficit. You may be eating back too many of your exercise calories.
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Hi,
I am still fairly new to running. I usually run/walk 4-5 times a week for about 2.5 miles. I have been doing this for about 6 weeks or so. I am not really seeing any weight loss. Just wondering if you think it helps or hinders you?? I know that I am building muscle, just wondering when I will be able to lose at least another 10 pounds to be in my healthy bmi. Sometimes when I am unusally stressed (like yesterday) I will do a couple of runs. Maybe I am overtraining??? What are the signs of that?? I have my calories set at 1700 but almost never eat over 1400. Just have such a curbed appetite since I started running... Thank you so much!!
I didn't read thru the whole thread because the tangent about whether running can build muscle gave me a headache. Thought I'd throw this out there. If you are doing mostly steady state cardio you might want to alternate with some High intensity intervals.
http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/women-running-into-trouble/0 -
marching band 2 weeks of 6 hr out door practices 3 days a wk out door practices after school for 2 hrs or more 4 days if there was a parade or competition that weekend and we ran the show during class too the up and down of the games which literally ran thru december mile or longer parades plus whatever we were doing in gym and me never managing to get more than one class in a building ever during high schoolI wouldnt say that my thighs and calves have never changed size since i hit my full height or near to just exchanged fat for muscle and kept the same circumfrence and I used to gain 10 lbs muscle weight every yr from the beginning of august to the end of december doing marching band now im running and the same is happening again but then again my muscle structure is a little odd compared to most ppl its for some with a frame a few inches taller compacted down to about 5'1
It's virtually impossible to gain 10 lbs of muscle in 5 mos.0 -
Running helps weight loss. Running will not build muscle.
That's absurd. If you're WORKING muscles, you're BUILDING muscles. Will running make you look like a body builder? No. But it certainly does build the muscles that it works... just not in the same way the lifting weights will. It creates toned, lean, strong muscles. If it didn't build muscle, you could never become a stronger, faster runner... you would always be stuck at the same fitness level with which you were born.
I'm not sure why some people seem to equate "building muscle" with "bulking up".
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just thought id put a suggestion in. Firstly im not a dietician or a personal trianer so everything i write is from personal experience.
i loved running just out of high school when i was at my smallest weight. Im getting back into it now, but it has been a challenge. I have downloaded the "couch25k" app on my iphone. it was recommended to me and i love it.
its basically a program to take people who hate running to running 5k's in 25 minutes. knowing that i was pretty unfit i was suprised how well the program went for me. Even if you are a good runner they advise you to start off at week 1s program. it basically works off interval training. Run for 1 min walk for 2 ect.. because it is interval trianing it is particularly good for weightloss so i would definately recommend it even if you are a good runner. I will complete the sessions sometimes in the gym and sometimes out with my dogs.
while im still very much in the early stages it has made a difference to my weight and mostly fitness at this stage.0
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