Almond Milk/Soy Milk/Rice Milk--Which is best?

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"supplements of soy proteins may" is what is says. You cutting "supplement" off doesn't change what Harvard is saying.

I don't understand what the word "supplement" has to do with it. If you eat high levels of soy whether is a supplement or not, it may increase the risk.

The point is that 'supplements' generally implies levels that would be impossible to obtain through diet alone. i.e how many glasses of soy milk would you have to drink to reach the level soy protein where they saw adverse effects? 10? 50? I drink 1-2 glasses a day.

There is also the point that just because a lot of something is bad for you, doesn't mean that a little is also bad for you but in a smaller way. Vitamins are necessary for good health in certain amounts but there are adverse effects from too much of them.

I take whey protein shakes so.......

There's no mention of actual quantity so I think it's hard to have a discussiona about amounts.

I take whey protein shakes too? Made with soy milk. I don't know what that has to do with anything?

Because someone is implying "supplements" are bad

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It states exactly what the supplement is. Soy protein.

Vegetarians for example will take iron or protein supplements if they are unable to get enough of those things in the diets.

I don't understand your point, and it seem pretty clear you are not understanding mine either. Supplements are not the same as food. Iron supplements can be unhealthy if you take them when you don't need them because too much iron is unhealthy. The same is true of calcium supplements. That doesn't make foods that contain iron or calcium unhealthy.

Hopefully you can understand that concept.

The only difference is amount. You simply said you didn't see where in the Harvard study mentioning Soy being bad. I clarified where it did. If you take a small soy supplement, it's still a supplement. The question is amount. Which the article clearly states as concentrated. Again, what that menns is not clarified. But I'd imagine if one is a vegetarian and decides to take in all their proteins as say and decides to look for soy products as meat alternatives, I'd have to say, they'd be taking much more than a non-vegetarian. Now if that amount is enough to do anything is questionable.

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"supplements of soy proteins may" is what is says. You cutting "supplement" off doesn't change what Harvard is saying.

I don't understand what the word "supplement" has to do with it. If you eat high levels of soy whether is a supplement or not, it may increase the risk.

The point is that 'supplements' generally implies levels that would be impossible to obtain through diet alone. i.e how many glasses of soy milk would you have to drink to reach the level soy protein where they saw adverse effects? 10? 50? I drink 1-2 glasses a day.

There is also the point that just because a lot of something is bad for you, doesn't mean that a little is also bad for you but in a smaller way. Vitamins are necessary for good health in certain amounts but there are adverse effects from too much of them.

I take whey protein shakes so.......

There's no mention of actual quantity so I think it's hard to have a discussiona about amounts.

I take whey protein shakes too? Made with soy milk. I don't know what that has to do with anything?

Because someone is implying "supplements" are bad

It's not that black and white. Supplements can be helpful, or they can be harmful. It all depends on the supplement and what one's body needs. There are many nutrients that our bodies need to function properly that can be harmful in excess.

No one said it was. But you are saying soy supplements are different than just plain soy for some reason. I say it's not.

I can say a fish oil pill is no different than a piece of salmon, but that won't make it true either.

But you'd be wrong because salmon contains more than just fish oil. Terrible analogy

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"supplements of soy proteins may" is what is says. You cutting "supplement" off doesn't change what Harvard is saying.

I don't understand what the word "supplement" has to do with it. If you eat high levels of soy whether is a supplement or not, it may increase the risk.

The point is that 'supplements' generally implies levels that would be impossible to obtain through diet alone. i.e how many glasses of soy milk would you have to drink to reach the level soy protein where they saw adverse effects? 10? 50? I drink 1-2 glasses a day.

There is also the point that just because a lot of something is bad for you, doesn't mean that a little is also bad for you but in a smaller way. Vitamins are necessary for good health in certain amounts but there are adverse effects from too much of them.

I take whey protein shakes so.......

There's no mention of actual quantity so I think it's hard to have a discussiona about amounts.

I take whey protein shakes too? Made with soy milk. I don't know what that has to do with anything?

Because someone is implying "supplements" are bad

It's not that black and white. Supplements can be helpful, or they can be harmful. It all depends on the supplement and what one's body needs. There are many nutrients that our bodies need to function properly that can be harmful in excess.

No one said it was. But you are saying soy supplements are different than just plain soy for some reason. I say it's not.

I can say a fish oil pill is no different than a piece of salmon, but that won't make it true either.

But you'd be wrong because salmon contains more than just fish oil. Terrible analogy

And soy beans contain more than just soy protein.

*sign*. The Havard article is specifying SOY PROTEIN. Not soy beans.

I think you have a big need to be right no matter what.

show previous quotes

"supplements of soy proteins may" is what is says. You cutting "supplement" off doesn't change what Harvard is saying.

I don't understand what the word "supplement" has to do with it. If you eat high levels of soy whether is a supplement or not, it may increase the risk.

The point is that 'supplements' generally implies levels that would be impossible to obtain through diet alone. i.e how many glasses of soy milk would you have to drink to reach the level soy protein where they saw adverse effects? 10? 50? I drink 1-2 glasses a day.

There is also the point that just because a lot of something is bad for you, doesn't mean that a little is also bad for you but in a smaller way. Vitamins are necessary for good health in certain amounts but there are adverse effects from too much of them.

I take whey protein shakes so.......

There's no mention of actual quantity so I think it's hard to have a discussiona about amounts.

I take whey protein shakes too? Made with soy milk. I don't know what that has to do with anything?

Because someone is implying "supplements" are bad

It's not that black and white. Supplements can be helpful, or they can be harmful. It all depends on the supplement and what one's body needs. There are many nutrients that our bodies need to function properly that can be harmful in excess.

No one said it was. But you are saying soy supplements are different than just plain soy for some reason. I say it's not.

I can say a fish oil pill is no different than a piece of salmon, but that won't make it true either.

But you'd be wrong because salmon contains more than just fish oil. Terrible analogy

And soy beans contain more than just soy protein.

*sign*. The Havard article is specifying SOY PROTEIN. Not soy beans.

I think you have a big need to be right no matter what.

No, go read it again. It said "soy protein supplements" may be harmful. And it said soy is not. Honestly, I can't believe you don't really see the difference. I think you just want to argue. But the Harvard article, with the link is on the thread so ppl can read for themselves.

Um you just said it. SOY PROTEIN. It does not matter if it's in supplement form or not. What exactly is the nutritutional differences inbtween the two? Differences that would make the supplement form cancer causing and the non-supplement form completely safe?