Egg Yolks as bad as Smoking!?

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  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    This topic just got addressed by Mark Sisson on marksdailyapple.com

    He gives some good reasons to doubt the legitimacy of the "research". One good reason is that two of the researchers have ties to the statin drug industry.... that alone would be enough for me.

    How does that make sense?? Why would someone from the statin drug industry want to prove we can lower our risk of CVD through diet? Lower risk of CVD = less prescriptions for statins.

    That's exactly the point, they don't want us to get healthier through diet. Eggs do not cause cardio-vascular disease, but if they can convince people that it does (like back in the 1980s), another reason to stop eating healthy food and need more statins, or name your drug. Jeez. Perhaps you suspect that no corruption could possibly exist when pharmaceuticals are a multi-billion dollar profit machine? Yeah, I'm probably wrong, but I'll keep eating my eggs, including the yolks and wonder why I feel so good and why my numbers are so much better than average.

    Whether or not eggs raise the risk for CVD, not eating them certainly does not, so I still don't see the logic.

    I also don't see how what you eat figures into the equation at all. My "numbers" (assuming this means lipid panel??) are good too and I rarely eat eggs because I don't like the taste. But I don't consider that proof that not eating eggs = good lipid panel?
  • Matt_Wild
    Matt_Wild Posts: 2,673 Member
    IMO its ONE study. Lets have some more showing the same. Otherwise IMO, it means, well, not a lot!
  • Akimajuktuq
    Akimajuktuq Posts: 3,037 Member
    This topic just got addressed by Mark Sisson on marksdailyapple.com

    He gives some good reasons to doubt the legitimacy of the "research". One good reason is that two of the researchers have ties to the statin drug industry.... that alone would be enough for me.

    How does that make sense?? Why would someone from the statin drug industry want to prove we can lower our risk of CVD through diet? Lower risk of CVD = less prescriptions for statins.

    That's exactly the point, they don't want us to get healthier through diet. Eggs do not cause cardio-vascular disease, but if they can convince people that it does (like back in the 1980s), another reason to stop eating healthy food and need more statins, or name your drug. Jeez. Perhaps you suspect that no corruption could possibly exist when pharmaceuticals are a multi-billion dollar profit machine? Yeah, I'm probably wrong, but I'll keep eating my eggs, including the yolks and wonder why I feel so good and why my numbers are so much better than average.

    Whether or not eggs raise the risk for CVD, not eating them certainly does not, so I still don't see the logic.

    I also don't see how what you eat figures into the equation at all. My "numbers" (assuming this means lipid panel??) are good too and I rarely eat eggs because I don't like the taste. But I don't consider that proof that not eating eggs = good lipid panel?

    Like I said, I'm probably wrong. As if I am saying just eggs lead to good health! I do believe that they are part of a healthy diet, but if people want to cut eggs and keep eating bread and margarine, go for it (yes, I'm being sarcastic). On the site I mentioned, Mark Sisson gives other reasons why the research is questionable. For me, when I see "research" that tries to demonize what I consider a healthy food, and the researchers have pharmaceutical ties, it matters. It doesn't have to matter to anyone else. It's all just my own opinion.
  • raeleek
    raeleek Posts: 414 Member
    There ya go! Four separate studies that say that eating eggs is not a big deal and can actually help raise good cholesterol!! Damned if you do damned if you don't!! :wink:

    http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/7301/title/Reevaluating_Eggs_Cholesterol_Risks

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_releases/egg-nutrition

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1356614/Eggs-Forget-high-cholesterol-warnings-theyre-healthier-ever.html

    http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Eggs-have-no-impact-on-dangerous-cholesterol-new-study
  • oceansablue
    oceansablue Posts: 53
    I think the bottom line is you just need moderation. Yes, if you consume too much of anything it'll do damage. Even drinking to much water can kill you (although you have to drink an insane amount so don't freak out). Have your eggs and enjoy them but a little variety never hurt anybody.
  • chocl8girl
    chocl8girl Posts: 1,968 Member
    *sigh* Every other study that comes out says something different about eggs. They're bad...they're good...they're bad...they're good. FFS eat them if you like them, IN MODERATION, just like anything else in your diet. There. Problem solved.
  • AmyFett
    AmyFett Posts: 1,607 Member
    That's crap. As bad as smoking? Come on lol. Eggs are good for you, good fat, good protein.
  • chubbygirl253
    chubbygirl253 Posts: 1,309 Member
    I heard that on the news today and I think it's bs. Eggs are natural and can't be compared to the chemicals and toxins and carcenogens found in cigarettes. I know the study was focused on the heart not the lungs, but still! There may be cholesterol and fat but I feel the protien makes up for it and I don't eat more than 3 eggs a week anyway. I'm still going to keep eating egg yolks because that's the part with the flavor! I bet in a few months we'll hear about another study that shows the benefits of eggs. oh well.
  • skullshank
    skullshank Posts: 4,323 Member
    i follow a cigarette with an egg, so i think they cancel each other out.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    There ya go! Four separate studies that say that eating eggs is not a big deal and can actually help raise good cholesterol!! Damned if you do damned if you don't!! :wink:

    http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/7301/title/Reevaluating_Eggs_Cholesterol_Risks

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_releases/egg-nutrition

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1356614/Eggs-Forget-high-cholesterol-warnings-theyre-healthier-ever.html

    http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Eggs-have-no-impact-on-dangerous-cholesterol-new-study

    I had to check out the Harvard "study" because I know their recommendation for egg consumption. The link you provided from Harvard is not a study. It's merely an article saying eggs are the demons they were once made out to be (This has actually been Harvard's stance for decades. They were very critical of the USDA's egg warnings even back in the 80's due to the lack of evidence.)

    This is what the Harvard School of Public Health has to say about eggs, which pretty much matches the study mentioned in the OP.
    People who have difficulty controlling their total and LDL cholesterol may want to be cautious about eating egg yolks and instead choose foods made with egg whites. The same is true for people with diabetes. In the Nurses' Health Study and Health Professionals Follow-up Study, heart disease risk was increased among men and women with diabetes who ate one or more eggs a day. (1) For people who have diabetes and heart disease, it is best to limit egg consumption to no more than three yolks per week.

    This research doesn't give the green light to daily three-egg omelets. While a 2008 report from the ongoing Physicians' Health Study supports the idea that eating an egg a day is generally safe for the heart, it also suggests that going much beyond that could increase the risk for heart failure later in life.

    Source: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/eggs/
  • PhilyPhresh
    PhilyPhresh Posts: 600 Member
    i follow a cigarette with an egg, so i think they cancel each other out.

    ...seems legit
  • prov31jd
    prov31jd Posts: 153 Member
    Gaston, every morning, eats FIVE DOZEN eggs, and that dude's roughly the size of a barge!

    But he only has enough biceps for himself.....wait....getting an update...... check that, he has biceps to spare.

    But he bites when he wrestles. He is a cheater.

    AND, not a bit of him's scraggly or scrawny, and every last inch of him's covered with hair. . .

    Calling all balding, wimpy guys: EAT EGGS!
  • trackercasey76
    trackercasey76 Posts: 781 Member
    If you believe this anyway.....

    Egg yolks almost as bad for your ticker as smoking, says study

    Avert your eyes, egg-lovers. New research from Canada's Western University says eating egg yolks regularly is nearly as effective as smoking cigarettes when it comes to speeding up atherosclerosis, or coronary artery disease. The study looked at 1,231 men and woman with the average age of 61.5 years and found eating three or more egg yolks per week over the years was two-thirds as bad as smoking for increasing carotid plaque on your inner arterial wall, a risk factor for stroke and heart attack. Study authors stressed that "regular consumption of egg yolk should be avoided by persons at risk of cardiovascular disease." Boo! [Source]

    http://now.msn.com/new-research-says-egg-yolks-increase-coronary-artery-disease



    ** I love eggs and always eat the whole egg it really helps me with my protein goal. I know there are a ton of people here who only eat the white.



    While I agree that eggs are ok, Just because something is "natural" has no bearing on if it is ok. Example I would much Rather eat a Tsp of MSG than a Tsp of "all Natural" Arsenic!
  • Akimajuktuq
    Akimajuktuq Posts: 3,037 Member
    If you believe this anyway.....

    Egg yolks almost as bad for your ticker as smoking, says study

    Avert your eyes, egg-lovers. New research from Canada's Western University says eating egg yolks regularly is nearly as effective as smoking cigarettes when it comes to speeding up atherosclerosis, or coronary artery disease. The study looked at 1,231 men and woman with the average age of 61.5 years and found eating three or more egg yolks per week over the years was two-thirds as bad as smoking for increasing carotid plaque on your inner arterial wall, a risk factor for stroke and heart attack. Study authors stressed that "regular consumption of egg yolk should be avoided by persons at risk of cardiovascular disease." Boo! [Source]

    http://now.msn.com/new-research-says-egg-yolks-increase-coronary-artery-disease



    ** I love eggs and always eat the whole egg it really helps me with my protein goal. I know there are a ton of people here who only eat the white.



    While I agree that eggs are ok, Just because something is "natural" has no bearing on if it is ok. Example I would much Rather eat a Tsp of MSG than a Tsp of "all Natural" Arsenic!

    When people talk about all natural food, they mean all natural FOOD. Arsenic is obviously not a food, and neither is MSG imo. Your illustration is not logical.
  • trackercasey76
    trackercasey76 Posts: 781 Member
    Here ya go!! Arsenic is naturally found in food

    http://www.greenfacts.org/en/arsenic/index.htm


    From the above link
    "Arsenic is a poisonous substance, which is released both from certain human activities and naturally from the Earth's crust.

    Humans may be exposed to arsenic mainly through food and water, particularly in certain areas where the groundwater is in contact with arsenic-containing minerals."
    If you believe this anyway.....

    Egg yolks almost as bad for your ticker as smoking, says study

    Avert your eyes, egg-lovers. New research from Canada's Western University says eating egg yolks regularly is nearly as effective as smoking cigarettes when it comes to speeding up atherosclerosis, or coronary artery disease. The study looked at 1,231 men and woman with the average age of 61.5 years and found eating three or more egg yolks per week over the years was two-thirds as bad as smoking for increasing carotid plaque on your inner arterial wall, a risk factor for stroke and heart attack. Study authors stressed that "regular consumption of egg yolk should be avoided by persons at risk of cardiovascular disease." Boo! [Source]

    http://now.msn.com/new-research-says-egg-yolks-increase-coronary-artery-disease



    ** I love eggs and always eat the whole egg it really helps me with my protein goal. I know there are a ton of people here who only eat the white.



    While I agree that eggs are ok, Just because something is "natural" has no bearing on if it is ok. Example I would much Rather eat a Tsp of MSG than a Tsp of "all Natural" Arsenic!

    When people talk about all natural food, they mean all natural FOOD. Arsenic is obviously not a food, and neither is MSG imo. Your illustration is not logical.
  • socalgirl68
    socalgirl68 Posts: 85
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/are-eggs-really-as-bad-for-your-arteries-as-cigarettes/#axzz23jTBGfQt
  • frankensteen
    frankensteen Posts: 75 Member
    I call BS, simply because this study came from Western.


    On a side note, I go to Queen's. WUCK FESTERN
  • LillysGranny
    LillysGranny Posts: 431
    When I eat eggs, I eat whole eggs. I wonder if they considered the possibility that maybe it's what they eat with their eggs that's causing all the trouble. Eggs = whole, real food.
  • TDGee
    TDGee Posts: 2,209 Member
    Rule Number One: EVERYBODY dies.


    That is a scientific and medical fact.







    Even D!ck Clark died...
  • Avandel
    Avandel Posts: 283 Member
    If you believe this anyway.....

    Egg yolks almost as bad for your ticker as smoking, says study

    :ohwell: I suppose this could be true if you inhaled an egg yolk as often as the average smoker lights a cigarette!! :bigsmile:
  • BinaryPulsar
    BinaryPulsar Posts: 8,927 Member
    I eat whole eggs. If I'm going to eat an egg, I'm going to eat the whole thing. It's the whole egg or no egg. I like eggs.
  • paytonOMG
    paytonOMG Posts: 33 Member
    Hey guys don't listen... Its a study from CANADA:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
  • TourThePast
    TourThePast Posts: 1,753 Member
    Chicken.
    Egg.
    Discuss...

    Put it this way, make everyone in your family smoke 40 a day, in return we'll all eat an egg yolk every day.

    How many generations of lung cancer and emphysema do you think it will it take for you to change your mind?
  • staps065
    staps065 Posts: 837 Member
    But they taste better! :bigsmile:
  • TourThePast
    TourThePast Posts: 1,753 Member
    Here ya go!! Arsenic is naturally found in food

    You forgot to also mention the potentially deadly levels of perfectly natural cyanide, which is found naturally in bitter almond kernels, which are often ingested mistakenly for their "health" benefits.
  • alexbusnello
    alexbusnello Posts: 1,010 Member
    Bull****
  • dsjohndrow
    dsjohndrow Posts: 1,820 Member
    Not everyone gets high cholesterol from eating eggs. Not everyone gets fat from carbs. It is body chemistry that matters. Smoking on the other hand, probably is bad for everyone.
  • jayliospecky
    jayliospecky Posts: 25,022 Member
    Hey guys don't listen... Its a study from CANADA:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    Hey now. Let's not drag the country into this.

    There are plenty of idiots in all the countries.
  • sunrize_sc
    sunrize_sc Posts: 157 Member
    I heard this on the radio this morning. They were saying that if you're over 40, egg yolks are as bad as smoking. As far as your heart is concerned. I can't imagine not having eggs all the time. I'll just have to take my chances.
  • TheRealParisLove
    TheRealParisLove Posts: 1,907 Member
    This is a rather small study, relied on participant reporting and it did not include other lifestyle issues like red meat consumption or activity levels. I'd like to see the study repeated in a more controlled situation, say with lab animals, and make a comparison of the data to this study.

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