"BLACK or AFRICAN AMERICAN" mainly a question...
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You missed the point...
N-gger is deragatory
N-gga is not
Until you grasp that concept...you will not undestand this debate....
I was always taught that substituting a word for something else, doesn't really change it's meaning. In other words, I wasn't allowed to say words like 'crap' or '*kitten*'.
It does in this case among black people..
N-gga is a term of endearment
not this black person I think that's just stupid, then they get upset when "white" people use it!
Yes...depending on where you from and generation you grew up in....
It's like someone said early...Two girls calling each other the B word but not wanting a guy to say it...
I get that...
I am ok with somoene who is gay jokingly calling each other the F word...
I have no problem with the N word used by black people only..
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[but we need a term for when they are beind dscussed as a group...like for the upcoming election...How much of the black/african american vote can Romney get?
Don't bring politics in this please!
Especially from a party who does not even try to get the black vote...
it was an example of how we need a word to call black/AA as a group because someoone else said we should just call them by name.
Thanks to those of you who commented positively on my first post. Whew, I'm trying to catch up reading what everyone is saying and you all are posting two pages for every page I read!
But this, too, is something that bugs me up the wazoo. All this taking polls and listing which group thinks this and which group thinks that. Telling a poster my race, background or age is something else I would never do. We have to simply have to resist all attempts to classify and divide us.0 -
I gave up long ago--if they're American, I refer to them as black, unless I know the individual prefers another term. I've offended people both ways, and will likely continue to do so. Most of my friends prefer "black" and think "African American" doesn't apply to them because they are American first, black second, and don't know their family history going back to Africa. I've got my family history going back 3 generations only, and there are several ethnicities mixed in there, but apparently I'm just "white."Seriously?!?!
Yea, i mean i've talked to some (now) white friends and at first if they said something and used the word "black (in a non racist way of coarse) they'd look at me all weird and say sorry and switch it around to African American. and im just like, its ok *puzzled look on my face*0 -
I agree with your husband! they are both offensive and disrespectful. Even kidding around is not cute. Both my nephew and brother when they hang out with theirs friends they always say this to each and i rip a new one into all of them whenever I hear it. and if they are next to me they both get popped upside their head. including their friends. trust they never say around me anymore!You missed the point...
N-gger is deragatory
N-gga is not
Until you grasp that concept...you will not undestand this debate....
I think it depends on the person, Tacos. My husband is black and he finds both of those offensive. He hates that black people use those terms among themselves. He's (probably) older than you though, so perhaps it's a generational thing?0 -
You missed the point...
N-gger is deragatory
N-gga is not
Until you grasp that concept...you will not undestand this debate....
I was always taught that substituting a word for something else, doesn't really change it's meaning. In other words, I wasn't allowed to say words like 'crap' or '*kitten*'.
Thank you! If I EVER here my son saying that he will be toothless. It's not cute, endearing or anything else like that. There is so much negativity behind the true meaning of that word. Changing the spelling or pronunciation doesn't change the derivative or meaning.
Ok...So let me ask you this? Do you feel the word Boy is an offenssive word? How abou the word BAD?
Changging the delivery of the word DOES change the context of the word....If I said "What's up my N-gga"
That's not deragatory...
But I a middled aged southern racist white man said "Hi, Boy" to me.
I would be offended...0 -
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I hear it's coming to Americal....0 -
Danilee...I will go out on a limb and defend you for a second...
Referring to the time that I was insulted racially and fought fire w/fire. It really shows that either you have never been close friends with anyone black, or maybe they were raised different and don't use the word. IDK.
Whew. Glad you said that. It's always best for white people who use the "n word" to follow-up with, "I'm not racist either".I am not racist either, i am fair.
I totally get what you mean..There are few ...I mean a few white people who have been around black people soo damn long..it's as iff they are now part of the family...I myself have a white friend who we call the n word too..and he is allowed to use it among me and my family and friends...he is trully a black man in a white man's body...AND get this ...he from Texas.
Thank you
I guess that some people just can't understand.
As a white person no I don't understand. I work with a woman who is like a mother to me and she is black... and if I called her that she would not only be hurt that I called her that (because she is not that) but she would think less of me... so no I don't understand either... but then again, I don't call my friends deragotory names of any kind, whether it's accepted or not.
Let me explain the difference...You said " I work with a woman who is like a mother to me and she is black"
You did not say..."I grew up with black people and I was pretty much the ONLY white person in their crew....I am like family to them"
That's when the N word is allowed to be used...
and we aren't referring to the N-gger we are referring to N-gga
Therre is a difference..and if you don't know...it's because you have NOT been around enought black people to know the difference
But even growing up around Mexicans and Hispanics (yes there is a difference as have been told by many of my Mexican-American friends), I wouldn't call them derogatory names either... So I don't see how that is much different.
You missed the point...
N-gger is deragatory
N-gga is not
Until you grasp that concept...you will not undestand this debate....
Then I guess I will never understand as to why it's ok to use a shortened version of a dergatory word... And I'm gonna bet that if I walked up to any of my black friends or co-workers (as a white woman) and said, "what's up my n_gga!" that they would yell at me and never speak to me again...0 -
I like to say I'm a mutt. I'm German, Jewish, Irish, Scottish, Dutch, British, Cherokee, and Blackfoot. And that's the parts I KNOW about!!0
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You missed the point...
N-gger is deragatory
N-gga is not
Until you grasp that concept...you will not undestand this debate....
I was always taught that substituting a word for something else, doesn't really change it's meaning. In other words, I wasn't allowed to say words like 'crap' or '*kitten*'.
It does in this case among black people..
N-gga is a term of endearment
I think that is a bit of a stretch. The correct response is entirely dependent upon the correct pronunciation of the word. What if someone has an accent? I think either pronunciation represents hate regardless of whatever meaning it has adopted in modern language.
Trust me I am black...I know what people who are like me think...Not all black people are pro N word...but the ones who are....knows the difference...and when we are saying it to each other...We make sure to clarify the A sound veruses the ER sound
But my point is that it is limited to the black population. Maybe white Americans can get away with it if they know how to use it, but someone from another country with communication issues might not know how to pronounce it correctly or know the correct context. Then, it suddenly turns back into a word of hate. So why take risks and use it all? Why not let it pass into the chasms of archaic nonsense?0 -
Meeeee! Because that was freakin well said! you go girl!I'm mixed black and white.
The other day another mixed man asked me if I was yellow.
Now I am not easily offended so it didn't offend me but I noticed I didn't like the term.
Even though I am mixed I predominantly go with calling myself black when filling out paperwork and such.
I don't say African-American when asked, but it doesn't bother me or seem politically incorrect to me if other people do.
I don't like colored. My grandma who I love so dearly and is the sweetest most accepting person in the world, is also white. We were in the store one day and she said to ask "The colored young gentleman" working there for help. I found myself explaining to her that I didn't think it appropriate in these days to use that term. My only reason behind it is this term along with the N-word was used in a derogatory fashion and when it's used it can be taken wrong.
I learned in my African-American studies class that the term mullatto was also derogatory, I used to use this term because I thought it sounded cool haha. My mom always told me when I was younger I would say "I'm not black, I'm brown!"
Times change, and with times terms will change as well. I have friends that use the N-word, my dad's family all use it, I don't like it, and I don't prefer to use it myself, but it doesn't bother me either because I know their use behind it is not to slander. And I would hope that anyone who does use it as a racist term will someday learn that no matter the pigment in our skin we all bleed blood, breathe air and live life. The same with the black community that still blame the white community or any other race...it's one thing to acknowledge history and your heritage but it's another to live in the past and continue to separate yourself.
Like some few have said, I prefer to be called by name, I am Mariah, I am human as are you.
Now who wants to be this human's friend
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Ditto. It's never been a term used in my family or my black friends.You missed the point...
N-gger is deragatory
N-gga is not
Until you grasp that concept...you will not undestand this debate....
I was always taught that substituting a word for something else, doesn't really change it's meaning. In other words, I wasn't allowed to say words like 'crap' or '*kitten*'.
It does in this case among black people..
N-gga is a term of endearment
not this black person I think that's just stupid, then they get upset when "white" people use it!0 -
....for the Older generation. I know this is a weight loss site, but i know there's a diverse group of ppl here who i can get responses from. With that being said, why is it that some "ppl of colour" get upset when they are referred to as BLACK instead of AFRICAN AMERICAN. Maybe i hvnt spent enough time in history class, but i am black, whts the big difference?
I am 62. Back in the 60's when a lot of the civil rights came to fruition, and then into the 70's, the term Black rose from the culture itself. Terms like 'Black, & Proud of it!, Black Power, Black Panthers, Black is Beautiful'. gave this label to the common reference. Accepted by most everyone in the day. Hence, that is still the term I refer to today. That was the prefernce when I was a young soldier by everyone.
Now, no offense intended, nor will I argue the point, but My personal opinion of the term African American can only refer to a native born in Africa who has American citizenship, or has dual citizenship parents. Your ancestry may be of African descent, fine. But that does not make you African American. I am not English, German American. I am an American. You may refer to yourself as you choose, but is does not make it correct. Like it or not, that 's the way it works.
Never lose track of your history. Be proud of your heritage. It is your birth right.0 -
In my grandmother's generation you were Negro or colored.
In my mother's generation, you were Black. Being called a Negro was less than desirable, but you could still get away with it.
In my generation, you were African-American. During the '90's the term African-American reached a fevered pitch. Being called Black was less than desirable, and being referred to as colored or a Negro would get you cussed out.
In my children's generation, it looks like we're going back to Black. Being called African-American is less than desirable, but you can get away with it. Being called a Negro or colored will absolutely get you cussed out.
My grandmother still calls Black people colored. She's not trying to be offensive, it's simply what her generation called Black people.
I guess I could get philosophical and say we are all Americans, why does it make a difference, blah, blah, blah. However, the fact of the matter is, it's just the way our society is; Black Americans NEED to be called something.
So, with that being said, I prefer Black, and always have.
Also, if you're White, and you call a Black person a ******, you're a racist in my mind. I couldn't care less what your explanation is. Of call words to pick, why pick that one??0 -
Do you mean North American or U.S. of America?I prefer "soul challenged"... but I get called "ginger".... to each their own.
Bwahahahahahaha!!!
If African-Americans/Blacks are people of color, and I am very fair skinned, then am I colorless?
Seriosuly, I have always wondered:
a) aren't we all AMERICANS?!
b) if you can call me white, than why can't I call you black? Or should I be a Caucasian-American? (Actually a Scottish-Canadian-Irish American, but whatever...)
Judging from the number of metric progress banners people have on their posts, I would say that no, we are not all Americans....
Any way lots here from the U.K. and Aus.0 -
I don't like the hyphen American, I feel that it separates people to much. I'm an American I was born and raised here. Black is ok, but if you want color, then everyone is a form of that color, brown, beige, tan, it gets confusing. The N word is a no-no, I feel it's like calling someone Fatty Fatty, name calling doesn't help anyone it just hurts. Just saying that people do stupid things. If you like person of color, or African American, then tell people what you prefer. I call my friends, My friends, and A**holes, A**holes, their color has nothing to do with it.
Nice post. You've got the picture. We're Americans, doesn't matter the color. We're people. Let's try and get along and make this world a better place.
This is one of my favorite threads ever.0 -
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I like to say I'm a mutt. I'm German, Jewish, Irish, Scottish, Dutch, British, Cherokee, and Blackfoot. And that's the parts I KNOW about!!
Holy crap. I think that means you get to enslave yourself, and immediately afterwards sue yourself for reparations.
Let us know how it all turns out, 'k?0 -
NOT "a TX thing". I've never used that word.N word is used by mostly blacks, and some whites. I say the N word. Maybe it's a TX thing. I am not going to lie, it is what it is, oh and when I use the N word, I don't discriminate.
That is NOT a TX thing. That's your personal thing.0 -
my fiance is Black and prefers being called Black instead of African American. He doesn't get all offended or anything if they don't though. I'm Mexican American yet I get called Hispanic all the darn time lol, everyone has their likes and dislikes.0
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oh and I'm from Texas and umm using the N word is NOT a TX thing!0
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I like to say I'm a mutt. I'm German, Jewish, Irish, Scottish, Dutch, British, Cherokee, and Blackfoot. And that's the parts I KNOW about!!
Holy crap. I think that means you get to enslave yourself, and immediately afterwards sue yourself for reparations.
Let us know how it all turns out, 'k?
LMAO I said it's a good thing I don't have multiple personalities or they'd all be trying to kill each other! :laugh:0 -
In my grandmother's generation you were Negro or colored.
In my mother's generation, you were Black. Being called a Negro was less than desirable, but you could still get away with it.
In my generation, you were African-American. During the '90's the term African-American reached a fevered pitch. Being called Black was less than desirable, and being referred to as colored or a Negro would get you cussed out.
In my children's generation, it looks like we're going back to Black. Being called African-American is less than desirable, but you can get away with it. Being called a Negro or colored will absolutely get you cussed out.
My grandmother still calls Black people colored. She's not trying to be offensive, it's simply what her generation called Black people.
I guess I could get philosophical and say we are all Americans, why does it make a difference, blah, blah, blah. However, the fact of the matter is, it's just the way our society is; Black Americans NEED to be called something.
So, with that being said, I prefer Black, and always have.
Also, if you're White, and you call a Black person a ******, you're a racist in my mind. I couldn't care less what your explanation is. Of call words to pick, why pick that one??
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You missed the point...
N-gger is deragatory
N-gga is not
Until you grasp that concept...you will not undestand this debate....
I was always taught that substituting a word for something else, doesn't really change it's meaning. In other words, I wasn't allowed to say words like 'crap' or '*kitten*'.
Thank you! If I EVER here my son saying that he will be toothless. It's not cute, endearing or anything else like that. There is so much negativity behind the true meaning of that word. Changing the spelling or pronunciation doesn't change the derivative or meaning.
Ok...So let me ask you this? Do you feel the word Boy is an offenssive word? How abou the word BAD?
Changging the delivery of the word DOES change the context of the word....If I said "What's up my N-gga"
That's not deragatory...
But I a middled aged southern racist white man said "Hi, Boy" to me.
I would be offended...
Personally, I never thought the term 'boy' was offensive. But fine, any word can be hateful if used in a certain context. Does that mean that 'n-gger' or 'n-gga' should become socially acceptable? No... because the word boy means 'male' and the N-word mean 'ignorant and uneducated'.
I think it is fair to say in modern American (emphasized only because I can't speak for other nations) society that everyone has an education to some extent. Therefore, it has no real place in the English language anymore. Does the term 'carpet-bagger' still exist? Only in historical context. So why is it too much to hope that this one word pass from the English language as the other words that were born of that era?0 -
I like to say I'm a mutt. I'm German, Jewish, Irish, Scottish, Dutch, British, Cherokee, and Blackfoot. And that's the parts I KNOW about!!
Holy crap. I think that means you get to enslave yourself, and immediately afterwards sue yourself for reparations.
Let us know how it all turns out, 'k?
LMAO I said it's a good thing I don't have multiple personalities or they'd all be trying to kill each other! :laugh:
And also scalp yourself while you're drunk and building a railroad across the west.
(Did I hit all the historical stereotypes there?)0 -
Although many people consider us "African American" or "Black" I do not identify with either. I consider myself American or mixed. I am Irish and Antiguan first generation from both sides. I never saw myself as African America or Black because of the two cultures I was raised in that made me who I am. I am not just one or the other. I do not see why I should be forced to have to identify with one particular culture, when the combination has created me. When people ask me what I am I simply say my name. It may sound silly but, what difference does it make if I am black or African American? At the end of the day, regardless of what I say or do, how much I make or how successful I become in this life I will always be viewed as a minority, so why pigeonhole myself with negative thoughts when there are plenty of people to do it for me who will if they have not already developed thoughts and opinions based off stereotypes? *shrugs* I am just saying...0
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Back in the late 90s, I was out of town on business and having a drink in the hotel bar. The news was on the television. An older (about 55-60ish) black man was sitting to my right. The news story mentioned something about an "African American" and the guy to my right just looked away and shook his head. He then looked at me and said, "In the 50s, I was colored. In the 60s, I was a negro. In the 70s, I was an afro-American. In the 80s, I was black. Now, I'm African-American. What am I gonna be next year?" I said, "The kinda guy I wanna have a beer with," and I bought him a beer. We hung out for a good hour or more talking about anything and everything under the sun. Helluva cool guy.0
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I see a lot of people live in the politically correct fantasy land. Sorry for the people in TX that have never used the word or have and black friends that use the word. Im truly sorry that I have offended anyone. I love all black and white and mexican and canadian people.0
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You missed the point...
N-gger is deragatory
N-gga is not
Until you grasp that concept...you will not undestand this debate....
I was always taught that substituting a word for something else, doesn't really change it's meaning. In other words, I wasn't allowed to say words like 'crap' or '*kitten*'.
Thank you! If I EVER here my son saying that he will be toothless. It's not cute, endearing or anything else like that. There is so much negativity behind the true meaning of that word. Changing the spelling or pronunciation doesn't change the derivative or meaning.
Ok...So let me ask you this? Do you feel the word Boy is an offenssive word? How abou the word BAD?
Changging the delivery of the word DOES change the context of the word....If I said "What's up my N-gga"
That's not deragatory...
But I a middled aged southern racist white man said "Hi, Boy" to me.
I would be offended...
Personally, I never thought the term 'boy' was offensive. But fine, any word can be hateful if used in a certain context. Does that mean that 'n-gger' or 'n-gga' should become socially acceptable? No... because the word boy means 'male' and the N-word mean 'ignorant and uneducated'.
I think it is fair to say in modern American (emphasized only because I can't speak for other nations) society that everyone has an education to some extent. Therefore, it has no real place in the English language anymore. Does the term 'carpet-bagger' still exist? Only in historical context. So why is it too much to hope that this one word pass from the English language as the other words that were born of that era?
To be honest, I always thought the N-word derived from the latin languages for the word black... but thought that in the English language because of how it was used (particularly here in the States) it was deemed derogatory...0 -
Personally, I never thought the term 'boy' was offensive. But fine, any word can be hateful if used in a certain context. Does that mean that 'n-gger' or 'n-gga' should become socially acceptable? No... because the word boy means 'male' and the N-word mean 'ignorant and uneducated'.
I think it is fair to say in modern American (emphasized only because I can't speak for other nations) society that everyone has an education to some extent. Therefore, it has no real place in the English language anymore. Does the term 'carpet-bagger' still exist? Only in historical context. So why is it too much to hope that this one word pass from the English language as the other words that were born of that era?
When I said That guy is one "bad dude"
You can look up the word bad and find all kinds of meanings.
The B word has all kinds of meanings.
F-g is a cigarette.
The N word is not ONLY an offensive word.
Finally Hate is in the heart....How any word is used can be offensive...
There are girls at my job who some guys say are ugly...
They call them Star...which is Rats backwards...
They in their face say Hi star...but really calling them rats...
The delivery of a word changes the meaning....
Sorry I just dont' agree with you0
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