Smoking Neighbours
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If you are that sensitive to smoke then you should not have your windows open. If you are used to living in the country then maybe a move back would serve you well. I have allergies to lots of things and I have learned that although I love the outdoors, leaving my windows open are not an option. Or, if I choose to, then no complaining about the consequences.
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Both my parents are smokers as are most of my family, I lived with them for 20+ years and they always smoked inside with windows closed etc.
I don't like smoke, infact I hate it, but I would just close my windows when he is out there, and put on a fan if it's hot... and open the back windows where he isn't or vice versa.
He has a right to live there and smoke, especially as he has already been told he has to smoke outside his own home.
What do you expect him to do?0 -
It sounds like you have other options but you want it all. You could close your windows or move possibly move to another unit, it's just not as nice. If I was that sensitive to smoke my windows would be closed, regardless of being from the country.0
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Too bad your not allergic to tobacco like me. They'd have to move me or they'd face a lawsuit if I had any medical problems from this.0
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Too bad your not allergic to tobacco like me. They'd have to move me or they'd face a lawsuit if I had any medical problems from this.
WHy would someone move into a place that allowed smoking if they were allergic to tobacco? I can't see how they'd think that was the smart move.0 -
Too bad your not allergic to tobacco like me. They'd have to move me or they'd face a lawsuit if I had any medical problems from this.
WHy would someone move into a place that allowed smoking if they were allergic to tobacco? I can't see how they'd think that was the smart move.
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It sounds like you have other options but you want it all. You could close your windows or move possibly move to another unit, it's just not as nice. If I was that sensitive to smoke my windows would be closed, regardless of being from the country.
I've exhausted many of my options. I can't do anything about moving now unless I want to lose a crap load of money, which I simply cannot afford. I just have to wait and see if they would LET me move into another unit of the same size, which will not be nearly as good as this one. I don't even know if I would go smoke-free in either of the other units. If they don't let me, then I'm SOL.
I just went out and got some air fresheners, both plug-in and spray, new filters for my air filter, and I'm going to start stocking up on toxin-eating plants. The main issue I found I had last night was the smoke would get into the corners of my apartment and just sit there. It does the same on my balcony (it's recessed into the wall of the building). I got a fan to help circulate the air.
Most of the responding don't seem to get that I never had the intention of actually doing anything with the person who was actually smoking. I didn't want to talk to him, because I didn't want to disturb him. Everyone just jumped to the conclusion that I was trying to get the guy to stop smoking on his balcony. While talking to him may have gotten him to do that (which it hasn't), that was not my ultimate goal.
I had simply been looking at passive ways to stop the smoke from entering my apartment - short of closing the windows. Why would anyone want to keep their windows closed for 24 hours in a day, when the smoke is only around for a portion of the time? I don't know...0 -
Technically he can smoke when/wherever he wants without asking permission. its his right. You cant ask him to cater to yiu buy hiking across a parking lot to smoke so YOU arent bothered. Hopefully you can move.0
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Technically he can smoke when/wherever he wants without asking permission. its his right. You cant ask him to cater to yiu buy hiking across a parking lot to smoke so YOU arent bothered. Hopefully you can move.
If you read most of my posts, you will find that I already know I can't stop him from smoking out there, nor was it my intent to do so.0 -
Too bad your not allergic to tobacco like me. They'd have to move me or they'd face a lawsuit if I had any medical problems from this.
WHy would someone move into a place that allowed smoking if they were allergic to tobacco? I can't see how they'd think that was the smart move.
looks like you are the troll.
.thats a valid question..if smoking is such an issue for you why didnt you plan ahead?0 -
Too bad your not allergic to tobacco like me. They'd have to move me or they'd face a lawsuit if I had any medical problems from this.
WHy would someone move into a place that allowed smoking if they were allergic to tobacco? I can't see how they'd think that was the smart move.
looks like you are the troll.
.thats a valid question..if smoking is such an issue for you why didnt you plan ahead?
Because I've never had a situation like this before. I've never lived in a place where I had any issue with cigarette smoke whatsoever. I had lived in a student house where a person would smoke pot IN the building, which was pulled through the central air system, but that's completely different from what's happening now.
I've even had neighbours directly next to the apartments I had lived in before, and never had an issue with any of them, even when they smoked outside. This building seems to have a unique design and orientation with the landscape and weather patterns that seems to funnel the smoke up and onto my balcony, without blowing it away. 90% of the time, we just have a light breeze that is only strong enough to push it back into the building. It's just a case of really bad luck.
Who would have thought that someone smoking 2 floors down would pose such a problem in this apartment, without previous experience of this happening before? Especially with such a huge open space next to the building...
By the way, did you read the girl's previous posts? If someone is having such a problem with the OP, why would she bother to keep coming back to the thread,, hours later?0 -
Because I've never had a situation like this before. I've never lived in a place where I had any issue with cigarette smoke whatsoever. I had lived in a student house where a person would smoke pot IN the building, which was pulled through the central air system, but that's completely different from what's happening now.
I've even had neighbours directly next to the apartments I had lived in before, and never had an issue with any of them, even when they smoked outside. This building seems to have a unique design and orientation with the landscape and weather patterns that seems to funnel the smoke up and onto my balcony, without blowing it away. 90% of the time, we just have a light breeze that is only strong enough to push it back into the building. It's just a case of really bad luck.
Who would have thought that someone smoking 2 floors down would pose such a problem in this apartment, without previous experience of this happening before? Especially with such a huge open space next to the building...
you must be new to apartment life. i ived in a few in the past and it was common to smell cigarette smoke coming from another apartment. i hate it too but i just shrugged it off.0 -
Of all the threads that need to die a mod related death, this is close to the top of that list. It seems the OP is nothing more than an attention seeking troll who wants nothing more than sympathy and for all to agree with him. And of course if you don't agree with him you're a mean bully.
Begone troll, begone. Back under the bridge with you.0 -
Too bad your not allergic to tobacco like me. They'd have to move me or they'd face a lawsuit if I had any medical problems from this.
WHy would someone move into a place that allowed smoking if they were allergic to tobacco? I can't see how they'd think that was the smart move.
looks like you are the troll.
.thats a valid question..if smoking is such an issue for you why didnt you plan ahead?
Because I've never had a situation like this before. I've never lived in a place where I had any issue with cigarette smoke whatsoever. I had lived in a student house where a person would smoke pot IN the building, which was pulled through the central air system, but that's completely different from what's happening now.
I've even had neighbours directly next to the apartments I had lived in before, and never had an issue with any of them, even when they smoked outside. This building seems to have a unique design and orientation with the landscape and weather patterns that seems to funnel the smoke up and onto my balcony, without blowing it away. 90% of the time, we just have a light breeze that is only strong enough to push it back into the building. It's just a case of really bad luck.
Who would have thought that someone smoking 2 floors down would pose such a problem in this apartment, without previous experience of this happening before? Especially with such a huge open space next to the building...
By the way, did you read the girl's previous posts? If someone is having such a problem with the OP, why would she bother to keep coming back to the thread,, hours later?
Girlfriend, don't give yourself too much credit. It shows up on the side bar whenever someone posts on it. I just find your argument hilarious.0 -
-__- i know how you feel, my neighbour downstairs literally does nothing all day but watch jeopardy, chain smoke and cook bacon and since we share a venting system it ends up making my apartment smell like cigarettes.0
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The OP has been antagonized from the beginning of this thread, they were trying to respond civilly and finally had it with the rudeness, then stated "go blow a dead goat"
okaaay... not the most mature or civil one liner, but hell I can hardly blame them for it at this point. Waaay too many people were making this personal, when the only one personally affected IS the OP.
And making fun of people for being polite by saying "a group hug is needed" hardly proves you are NOT indeed the rude person you seem to be. It only enforces that you are sarcastic and rude and implies that you somehow think hugs are bad
lol
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Honestly. Smoking is banned in: All public buildings, bars, restaurants and most people complain when there are smokers in the outdoors areas such as balconies and outside bars etc not to mention some of the medical community trying to ban smoking in your own car. Not happy with that folk are now complaining when someone smokes IN THEIR OWN HOUSE.
Seriously you need to suck it up, close your windows or move. You cannot expect the guy downstairs not to smoke in a Apt that he either owns or rents i.e pays good money for.
It's not a house though, it's an apartment building. As I said earlier, I'm dealing with basically the same thing and the woman is a *****, but I don't expect them to stop. It would be nice, but I don't expect it. Especially when it says in my lease they shouldn't be smoking in the building.0 -
I think if it is coming in your apartment it is a problem. If the landlords knew he was a smoker they should of put him on an upper level. Then he could smoke away and not bother others in the process.
I try really hard to see if from both sides since my parents both smoke but growing up in a house with parents who smoked is the reason why my lungs are crap now. I have asthma and when I was growing up had chronic bronchitis. (I haven't had bronchitis once in the years since I moved out. My asthma is even under better control.) I just makes me angry that it is my choice to not smoke and someone else's choice to smoke affected my life forever.
I feel your pain but have nothing helpful to offer other than close your windows.
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I hate apt living-because of this reason. Smokers are a**holes all around. Rent a house!!! Second hand smoke kills people and you are NOT over reacting!
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Wow. People were right about MFP users being real jerks on the forums.
In every apartment I've lived in before, there have been smokers who lived around me, but the smoke never entered my apartment. This building seems to have a rather unique design and layout in relation to the geography that seems to direct nearly all of the smoker's smoke right into my apartment.
In Ontario...
"... every tenant and landlord relationship there exists the covenant of the right to reasonable enjoyment, even if you have not signed a lease. Reasonable enjoyment is the right:
“to take possession, and to be protected against interference with the tenant’s use and enjoyment of the premises by the landlord or others claiming under the landlord” (Bruce Ziff, Principles of Property Law, 3rd ed., 2000)."
http://www.smokefreehousingon.ca/sfho/tenants-landlord-and-tenant-board.html
Second hand smoke can be included in that law.
and I do know what a "chain smoker" is. This guy goes through multiple packs a day. He has posed problems with other tenants in the building in the past. It took them a few years, just to get him out of the building.
With all due respect. When posting on a public forum, there will be people who don't agree with your predicament... Sometimes when asking for advice or just venting, we need to take the good with the bad. The smoker 2 floors below you probably thinks your a jerk. He or She have probably lived there for several years without one complaint and then you move in and their choices are being questioned by a new "whiny" tenant...So before you start pointing that finger always remember there are 3 pointing right back at ya.
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Of all the threads that need to die a mod related death, this is close to the top of that list. It seems the OP is nothing more than an attention seeking troll who wants nothing more than sympathy and for all to agree with him. And of course if you don't agree with him you're a mean bully.
Begone troll, begone. Back under the bridge with you.
Does anyone who actually reads the threads have anything constructive to say? I've explained my situation fairly clearly in my last few posts. I don't feel like I need to repeat myself on what I'm actually trying to achieve again.
Mind you, I don't suppose there is much else I can actually do. I have taken steps towards trying to alleviate the issue. All I can do now is wait and see if they work. Might as well just leave it.
No doubt people will continue to post *kitten* responses.0 -
I had simply been looking at passive ways to stop the smoke from entering my apartment - short of closing the windows. Why would anyone want to keep their windows closed for 24 hours in a day, when the smoke is only around for a portion of the time? I don't know...
So why not reverse that? Only shut your windows for the short time he is out there smoking? At most, when I was a smoker, it took me 15 mins to finish a cig.0 -
yeh in the form of memeOf all the threads that need to die a mod related death, this is close to the top of that list. It seems the OP is nothing more than an attention seeking troll who wants nothing more than sympathy and for all to agree with him. And of course if you don't agree with him you're a mean bully.
Begone troll, begone. Back under the bridge with you.
Does anyone who actually reads the threads have anything constructive to say? I've explained my situation fairly clearly in my last few posts. I don't feel like I need to repeat myself on what I'm actually trying to achieve again.
Mind you, I don't suppose there is much else I can actually do. I have taken steps towards trying to alleviate the issue. All I can do now is wait and see if they work. Might as well just leave it.
No doubt people will continue to post *kitten* responses.
edited to add gtf over your self close your window or buy a fan0 -
Wow. People were right about MFP users being real jerks on the forums.
In every apartment I've lived in before, there have been smokers who lived around me, but the smoke never entered my apartment. This building seems to have a rather unique design and layout in relation to the geography that seems to direct nearly all of the smoker's smoke right into my apartment.
In Ontario...
"... every tenant and landlord relationship there exists the covenant of the right to reasonable enjoyment, even if you have not signed a lease. Reasonable enjoyment is the right:
“to take possession, and to be protected against interference with the tenant’s use and enjoyment of the premises by the landlord or others claiming under the landlord” (Bruce Ziff, Principles of Property Law, 3rd ed., 2000)."
http://www.smokefreehousingon.ca/sfho/tenants-landlord-and-tenant-board.html
Second hand smoke can be included in that law.
and I do know what a "chain smoker" is. This guy goes through multiple packs a day. He has posed problems with other tenants in the building in the past. It took them a few years, just to get him out of the building.
With all due respect. When posting on a public forum, there will be people who don't agree with your predicament... Sometimes when asking for advice or just venting, we need to take the good with the bad. The smoker 2 floors below you probably thinks your a jerk. He or She have probably lived there for several years without one complaint and then you move in and their choices are being questioned by a new "whiny" tenant...So before you start pointing that finger always remember there are 3 pointing right back at ya.
Read through the thread again, please.0 -
It's really sad how people can be so selfish, "it is ok to empose on someone else's rights in order for myself to be happy"0
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I realize that in the land of the "free," everyone is allowed to walk all over everyone else, and "first come-first serve" is how things work, but up here, where everyone has equal rights, it doesn't matter if the guy smoking were the pope, I still have the right to live in a comfortable environment, windows open or closed.
So you're thinking that you have the right to move to an area where another person is established and attempt to change their environment by force?
That's not equal rights.
Who said anything about using force?
Secondly, I never once said that the smoker had to do anything at all. Yes, it would be great if we could make smoking illegal, and kick him out of his apartment so I can live here in the comfort of my own home, but that's not about to happen. the best shot I've got is convincing the guy to go smoke on the public patio, instead of his apartment, but I wouldn't count on that happening. I just wish I could move out without and financial consequences, and manage to find a place that is equally as nice, without the damn smoking.
Man, you're quick to make assumptions.0 -
It's really sad how people can be so selfish, "it is ok to empose on someone else's rights in order for myself to be happy"
Again with failing to read through the thread. I made it quite clear that I had no intentions on bothering the smoker and trying to get him to stop smoking on his balcony. I as trying to a) stop the smoke from bothering me, or b) move. The tenant below me didn't even need to know that his smoke was a problem.0 -
I have the same problem with my downstairs neighbors. My air conditioner only goes in the windows right above their back porch, so my apartment becomes smoke-filled as well. Febreeze is how I combat the problem; I cannot tell my neighbors they cannot smoke and I cannot be moved to another apartment. As much as I hate it, it is something we have to live with. I feel like a hypocrite because I used to be a smoker myself, and I wonder how many people's apartments I flooded with smoke! So I feel like this is Karma. . .0
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I definitely do not think you are overreacting. Unless you are also a smoker, it is extremely hard to get used to the smell of smoke, not to mention it is simply not good to be inhaling it. I'd keep complaining too. It is not fair you have to be around cigarette smoke in your own home as a non-smoker. Good thing you are not allergic or asthmatic!
I don't think it is at all a selfish thing to want to protect your health. And the OP by no means is trying to get the man to stop smoking, they just simply want to be moved or else given a solution to the problem.0 -
As a land lord (and I'm speaking from several years of experience here), your community manager should place you in a different apartment. Regardless of anyone's opinion of smoking in general, smoking - regardless if you are the smoker OR the tenant stuck with inhaling second hand smoke - is dangerous and a risky health situation. As a tenant, if my landlord refused to rectify the situation, the day my lease expired i would jump ship and research into renting within a non-smoking community.
In addition, before the pro-smokers jump my case about my statement regarding smoking, I am a smoker in the process of quitting. And although people smoking around me doesn't particularly cause a stir in me, I don't delude myself in thinking that there are no effects or that I won't be affected by it. Certainly the tenant that smokes in his apartment is well within his legal right to do so (as long as he/she is abiding the lease and that the complex does allow smoking), but the poster has a right to live in a safe environment.0 -
You should move to New York and get some lead roles on Broadway.
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