Cardio makes you fat: "Women: Running into Trouble"

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  • victoria4321
    victoria4321 Posts: 1,719 Member
    And I'm still waiting for how to gain height. I may have been too specific asking for a fitness program. I'm open to supplements to get tall too.
    Got it!

    leg-lengthening-operations.jpg

    http://www.plasmetic.com/news/weird/restrictions-on-leglengthening-operations-in-china.html
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    And I'm still waiting for how to gain height. I may have been too specific asking for a fitness program. I'm open to supplements to get tall too.
    Got it!

    leg-lengthening-operations.jpg

    http://www.plasmetic.com/news/weird/restrictions-on-leglengthening-operations-in-china.html

    Does beachbody sell that? Can I get a beachbody coach please?
  • victoria4321
    victoria4321 Posts: 1,719 Member
    Does beachbody sell that? Can I get a beachbody coach please?

    The recovery drink shortens the healing time too

    p90x_rrf_cont_tonytub_new.png
  • tappae
    tappae Posts: 568 Member

    leg-lengthening-operations.jpg

    http://www.plasmetic.com/news/weird/restrictions-on-leglengthening-operations-in-china.html

    I did not see that coming. Awesome!
  • aimforhealthy
    aimforhealthy Posts: 449 Member
    What do you all think of interval running? Those of you who think running is problematic and even harmful (especially for women), do you think it's the same with interval training? Just curious, as that's all I do on the treadmill.

    Intervals are great, for lots of reasons. Walk/jog intervals can help you build endurance. Speed intervals help you build speed (and endurance). HIIT gets anaerobic and can mimic some of the effects of weight lifting. HIIT though, if done properly, requires the same type of rest time as lifting and can't be done too often, so if you intend to progress at running as a sport, HIIT can't be the basis for your training.
    My opinion is everyone should be doing intervals- new runners should walk/jog to develop endurance, and there comes a distance in marathon training when walk/jog intervals are really useful to avoid "hitting the wall". Intermediate runners should use intervals to work on speed and stamina. Advanced runners know what they need to do. :wink:
    Anyone can incorporate HIIT but 1 or 2 times a week max, with a base mileage running program.

    This is great to hear! Thank you :)
  • tappae
    tappae Posts: 568 Member
    20+ pages...

    SMH...

    I'm feeling that! (assuming you haven't blocked me)

    I think Scott said it all when he said the article should have been titled something more like:
    "Overtraining and poor nutrition can lead to metabolic problems."
  • gxm17
    gxm17 Posts: 374
    I have an important question- what fitness routine can I use to get taller?

    Yoga. :)
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    Does beachbody sell that? Can I get a beachbody coach please?

    The recovery drink shortens the healing time too

    p90x_rrf_cont_tonytub_new.png

    Now we're talking. I hope it has some gooseberry ketones. I'm using them to work on changing my eye color.
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    20+ pages...

    SMH...

    I'm feeling that! (assuming you haven't blocked me)

    I think Scott said it all when he said the article should have been titled something more like:
    "Overtraining and poor nutrition can lead to metabolic problems."

    I didn't block you lol! I don't block anyone, but I certainly wouldn't block someone just for disagreeing with me. Many times I LEARN from people disagreeing with me. Others point of view...contrary to what some people in this thread believe...is incredibly appreciated when presented in an intelligent, mature manner (and sometimes even when presented with snarkiness...its outright rudeness and condescending behavior I won't abide).

    Believe me...you're more than fine :).
  • Di3012
    Di3012 Posts: 2,247 Member


    I don't get why you're getting so upset over me stating the obvious. I still stand by what I say. I would prefer to take advice from someone with actual experience or who is already at the goal I'd like to attain. Certain things it doesn't matter, but with health/lifestyle advice I wouldn't take that kind of advice from someone who can't follow it or hasn't lived it long enough.

    Its pretty well known that the large majority of people who lose weight gain it back. Even people counting calories and on healthy diets. If I wanted to take diet advice from someone it would be someone who either got to a healthy, lean, and fit weight and maintained it for years or someone who has always been healthy their whole life.

    She is following it though and has done for a long time on here now and lost a bundle of weight. Personally, I have only been on here since January (this time. I am back because I got to my goal once before and then went back to eating rubbish), I was fortunate in that I only had 30lbs to lose this time round as opposed to 41lbs last time. My own weightloss was 1200 calories per day, running for exercise - it took six and a half months to get to my goal.

    It worked for me, but may not work for some other people but that's okay I fully understand that.

    Victoria you are correct when you say stick with people whose goals match your own and who are practising the same weight-loss/exercise methods as you are though, it is a lot easier to bounce ideas of each other then.
  • Di3012
    Di3012 Posts: 2,247 Member
    What do you all think of interval running? Those of you who think running is problematic and even harmful (especially for women), do you think it's the same with interval training? Just curious, as that's all I do on the treadmill.

    Interval running is excellent, before I started to run outdoors (I used to get shinsplints running outdoors so reverted to the treadmill which was fine until I discovered my trainers were a major factor in the splints and got fitted properly so now all is fine).

    It used to burn a ton of calories and was brilliant for getting a person fit.

    Enjoy it for sure!
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member


    I didn't block you lol! I don't block anyone, but I certainly wouldn't block someone just for disagreeing with me. Many times I LEARN from people disagreeing with me. Others point of view...contrary to what some people in this thread believe...is incredibly appreciated when presented in an intelligent, mature manner (and sometimes even when presented with snarkiness...its outright rudeness and condescending behavior I won't abide).

    Incredibly well put! I have learned much here from people with different points of view than mine who presented thier point of view in a reasoned manner without the rudeness and snideness. Scott is one of those people along with Acg67, Sidesteal and others. The rudeness, argumentativeness and snideness creates an automatic "this person has nothing I would be interested in" response.
  • workitoffnow
    workitoffnow Posts: 17 Member
    Is it okay to revive this thread?

    I have been on both sides of this issue so let me tell you what happened to me.

    For years I was able to maintain my weight at 120 (5'6") by lifting weights and running 3 miles every other day. I still had a little belly fat but I figured screw it, I like to eat am I'm not going to worry about those last five pounds. Then I had to go on this medication (tamoxifen) which made me gain 15 pounds in a few months. My doctor basically said you are SOL, it lowers your metabolism. After seeing my vacation swimsuit photos, I decided to take drastic action.

    So I started adding a morning swim on an empty stomach to my routine. I swam one mile in about 40 minutes 5-6 days a week. And the pounds came off instantly. In 2 months I had lost 20 pounds, going even below where I started. But I still had the belly fat. So I said, let's try to get even leaner. So I added MORE cardio. Started running 5 and 6 miles, started adding bike rides and long walks in the evenings. In short, I was a cardio machine, going for hours a day, and still keeping it to 1200 calories.

    And then something happened. I was inching down now towards 110 pounds, but when I looked in the mirror I didn't like what I saw. Those nice muscles I had gained while swimming for the first month had disappeared. My shoulders were bony. My arms were skinny but soft. And I STILL had fat around my middle.

    So I don't know what happened. I don't know if I was eating too little to support that kind of cardio, or if there is something about cardio itself that tears down muscle. All I can tell you is that know I am a poster child for skinnyfat. I've decided to cut back my cardio significantly and then begin to add calories.

    Initially cardio did wonders for me, but eventually it got into the area of diminishing returns. So take from that what you will.
  • shabaity
    shabaity Posts: 792 Member
    Is it okay to revive this thread?

    I have been on both sides of this issue so let me tell you what happened to me.

    For years I was able to maintain my weight at 120 (5'6") by lifting weights and running 3 miles every other day. I still had a little belly fat but I figured screw it, I like to eat am I'm not going to worry about those last five pounds. Then I had to go on this medication (tamoxifen) which made me gain 15 pounds in a few months. My doctor basically said you are SOL, it lowers your metabolism. After seeing my vacation swimsuit photos, I decided to take drastic action.

    So I started adding a morning swim on an empty stomach to my routine. I swam one mile in about 40 minutes 5-6 days a week. And the pounds came off instantly. In 2 months I had lost 20 pounds, going even below where I started. But I still had the belly fat. So I said, let's try to get even leaner. So I added MORE cardio. Started running 5 and 6 miles, started adding bike rides and long walks in the evenings. In short, I was a cardio machine, going for hours a day, and still keeping it to 1200 calories.

    And then something happened. I was inching down now towards 110 pounds, but when I looked in the mirror I didn't like what I saw. Those nice muscles I had gained while swimming for the first month had disappeared. My shoulders were bony. My arms were skinny but soft. And I STILL had fat around my middle.

    So I don't know what happened. I don't know if I was eating too little to support that kind of cardio, or if there is something about cardio itself that tears down muscle. All I can tell you is that know I am a poster child for skinnyfat. I've decided to cut back my cardio significantly and then begin to add calories.

    Initially cardio did wonders for me, but eventually it got into the area of diminishing returns. So take from that what you will.
    honestly from the sounds of it you werent eating enough to maintain or create the muscles you do have to eat to survive after all
  • workitoffnow
    workitoffnow Posts: 17 Member
    Yes I certainly have learned that. For years the weight loss advice was always 1200 calories a day and 200 calories off through cardio leaving you with a net of 1000. Clearly not enough.
  • meshashesha2012
    meshashesha2012 Posts: 8,329 Member
    What do you all think of interval running? Those of you who think running is problematic and even harmful (especially for women), do you think it's the same with interval training? Just curious, as that's all I do on the treadmill.
    is interval running considered cardio though? usually with intervals you are pushing yourself close to your max heart rate which means you're doing anaerobic work rather than aerobics/cardio
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    What do you all think of interval running? Those of you who think running is problematic and even harmful (especially for women), do you think it's the same with interval training? Just curious, as that's all I do on the treadmill.
    is interval running considered cardio though? usually with intervals you are pushing yourself close to your max heart rate which means you're doing anaerobic work rather than aerobics/cardio

    There's a whole spectrum of intervals- Mesha I think you are specifically talking about HIIT, which pushes you right to the edge. MOST intervals fall under the umbrella of cardio- from run/walk intervals, speed intervals during an endurance run, hills can be considered intervals, fartleks- which are unstructured intervals, indian runs- aka group torture, etc. HIIT is usually short term and intentionally anaerobic- most everything else would be cardio.

    I feel like I already answered the question first quoted, but intervals solve a plethora of running issues- from improving speed to improving stamina, building endurance, etc. Different intervals for different issues at different points in your running career. I have no idea why this would be problematic for women. Question does not compute.
  • ixap
    ixap Posts: 675 Member
    There's a whole spectrum of intervals
    Yep, this is what makes it soooo difficult to figure out what exactly to do.
    I have read many articles in the scientific literature about "interval training," and there's really no standard definition other than that you're working harder for some periods and less hard for other periods. Tabata's studies all had people going to 170% of their Vo2max for 20 seconds at a time (ouch). Other studies had people alternating between 80% and 50% of Vo2max. These obviously are wildly different workouts and will have different effects.
    Different intervals for different issues at different points in your running career. I have no idea why this would be problematic for women. Question does not compute.
    I think they are referring back to the article in the very first post of the thread (thread #1) which claimed that running makes women fat. LOL.
  • gxm17
    gxm17 Posts: 374
    And I'm still waiting for how to gain height. I may have been too specific asking for a fitness program. I'm open to supplements to get tall too.

    Every time I see this question, I have the same answer: Yoga. :)
  • workitoffnow
    workitoffnow Posts: 17 Member
    And I'm still waiting for how to gain height. I may have been too specific asking for a fitness program. I'm open to supplements to get tall too.

    Every time I see this question, I have the same answer: Yoga. :)

    I have a friend who gained one and a quarter inches from yoga.

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