Starvatio mode, excerices cals ect...

Also, I honestly think you need to understand how freaking ridiculous your so called "creditentials" are. You sound like a cool guy.

I still can't figure out why she brought this to the forum.
If her doctor and nutritionist is right about eating at a VLCD level then do it and stay off the forums.
In 2-3 months time when she can't even eat a decent meal without having water weight issues or CNS fatigue she will post another topic "eating 1200 calories and not losing anything! HELP!"
Type it into the search on the forum then come back with your findings.

You can't just point to 2 overweight people, 1 6 foot tall and the other 5 foot tall and say "eat 1200 calories to lose weight."
It's stupid.
The numbers I posted earler were done on a nutrition calculator using formulas that include age, height, weight, body fat% and activity.
You can't just blanket a number and call it right.
Unfortunately nutritionist and doctors do that and end up screwing people up.

Starvation?
Hardly.
Go 3 days with no food or nutrients and you could be in "starvation mode".
Even then if you have the fat to withstand it and the team if doctors to monitor your vitals like the guy in Scotland who went 250+ days fasted, you would still be doing yourself a disservice.

Why would anyone want to take the most complex and precious machine in the universe and give it the absolute minimum is beyond me.
Sorry I'm a bit passionate about this but after helping so many people and proving that you can lose weight and have sustained weight loss eating at 1600-3200 calories a day I feel the need to speak up about this.
Regular average people.
Some morbidly obese and some looking to gain lean muscle or weight in general.
It just doesn't compute why you would opt for bare minimum.

Congrats on failing to understand even the very basic science behind the subject and posting a completely uninformed and wrong summary.

Are you a doctor? Because OP was quoting a doctor.

I agree with everything the OP doctor said.

Starvation mode is a ridiculous myth and numerous studies have been done to show that it only really happens in extreme situations and/or EDs. Here's one such study:

http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/starvation-mode-why-you-probably-never-need-to-worry-about-it/

There is no reason to stuff yourself and make yourself sick eating back exercise cals either, as someone else mentioned. If I tried to eat back all my exercise cals, I'd probably throw up from being so full.

Everyone should really just use common sense when they eat and exercise. If you are truly hungry (not just bored, craving a flavor etc.) then eat something sensible, if you eat an unhealthy meal or snack once in a while don't freak out-- just move on and if you are finding you don't have enough energy to walk around or function, then eat more and/or see a doctor.

Congrats on failing to understand even the very basic science behind the subject and posting a completely uninformed and wrong summary.

Are you a doctor? Because OP was quoting a doctor.

I agree with everything the OP doctor said.

Starvation mode is a ridiculous myth and numerous studies have been done to show that it only really happens in extreme situations and/or EDs. Here's one such study:

http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/starvation-mode-why-you-probably-never-need-to-worry-about-it/

There is no reason to stuff yourself and make yourself sick eating back exercise cals either, as someone else mentioned. If I tried to eat back all my exercise cals, I'd probably throw up from being so full.

Everyone should really just use common sense when they eat and exercise. If you are truly hungry (not just bored, craving a flavor etc.) then eat something sensible, if you eat an unhealthy meal or snack once in a while don't freak out-- just move on and if you are finding you don't have enough energy to walk around or function, then eat more and/or see a doctor.

I really wish people would stop quoting this blog. If you actually look at the studies that this is based on you will find that yes, people start to lose muscle primarily at a very low BF%. They DO NOT show that you lose no muscle above that BF%.


http://www.ajcn.org/content/83/5/1068.full which is a study conducted by Freidl et al (which is the group that conducted the studies that blog was based on). What the study actually shows is that you will lose LBM.

From the same series of studies:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10797147


<snip> After 8 wk, most of group 1 achieved a minimum body fat, serum 3,5,3'-triiodothyronine (T(3)) was below normal (78 +/- 20 ng/dl), testosterone (T) approached castrate levels (4.5 +/- 3.9 nmol/l), insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) declined by one-half (75 +/- 25 microg/l), and cholesterol rose from 158 +/- 31 to 217 +/- 39 mg/dl<snip>

I particularly like the castrate levels of testosterone!

Edited to fix typos

You have Iron, mma, Dan and Sara on here doing their dead level best to not allow yet another misguided, ill-informed post on this topic ooze its way onto the forums unchecked. They're right and for the life of me I can't understand how they can still be arsed enough to care. Consider yourselves lucky. Learn something.

I would add SHBoss, Usedtobehusky and psulemon to your list also. Gotta fight BS where you find it!

Thanks for posting this I have never been able to eat back my calories and now I can stop trying so hard lol I have even lost friends over this nice to know she was just overreacting and well being a bit of a ***** lol

I still can't figure out why she brought this to the forum.
If her doctor and nutritionist is right about eating at a VLCD level then do it and stay off the forums.
In 2-3 months time when she can't even eat a decent meal without having water weight issues or CNS fatigue she will post another topic "eating 1200 calories and not losing anything! HELP!"
Type it into the search on the forum then come back with your findings.

You can't just point to 2 overweight people, 1 6 foot tall and the other 5 foot tall and say "eat 1200 calories to lose weight."
It's ****ing stupid.
The numbers I posted earler were done on a nutrition calculator using formulas that include age, height, weight, body fat% and activity.
You can't just blanket a number and call it right.
Unfortunately nutritionist and doctors do that and end up screwing people up.

Starvation?
Hardly.
Go 3 days with no food or nutrients and you could be in "starvation mode".
Even then if you have the fat to withstand it and the team if doctors to monitor your vitals like the guy in Scotland who went 250+ days fasted, you would still be doing yourself a disservice.

Why the **** would anyone want to take the most complex and precious machine in the universe and give it the absolute minimum is beyond me.
Sorry I'm a bit passionate about this but after helping so many people and proving that you can lose weight and have sustained weight loss eating at 1600-3200 calories a day I feel the need to speak up about this.
Regular average people.
Some morbidly obese and some looking to gain lean muscle or weight in general.
It just doesn't compute why you would opt for bare minimum.