Please Help Me - I Don't Know What I'm Doing Wrong
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I admit to being a little confused since you kinda seem to want someone to tell you that going back to your old ways is okay since you lost weight back then.
As for what are you are doing wrong, you got really great advice here from a smart man. But seriously, get a health check.
I was getting that impression too, and after reading pages 3&4 am still getting it.
Same here.
Lol. Please get over yourselves and get back on topic while you're at it.
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That's so odd! I weigh 190, 5'6.5", and I have just over 30% body fat.
Just off the top of my head, step up the resistance training and spend less time weighing and recording.0 -
I may be new *here* but I used to be a fitness/health fanatic and simply got off track for several years.
One thing we cannot see in your charts is WHAT you are eating.... you know, of what your caloric intake consists. If you're eating candy bars (for instance) your body is not getting the vitamins and minerals it needs to keep your motor running properly.
I'm two inches taller than you and my fat MAX for a day is 40 grams, therefore I'm sure your max could be less. When I add a workout (Jillian Michaels 30 Day Shred), my fat intake MAX is 50 grams..... with that said, I noticed something on your charts that I didn't see anyone else mention - your recent averages were the following:
July - your average daily fat intake was 86.3 grams per day
August - average daily fat intake was 93.4 grams per day
Sept - average daily fat intake was 106.1 grams per day
Oct - average daily fat intake (so far) was 90.4 grams per day
I see on one day your fat consumed was 163 grams - that's four times what my charts recommend sticking to..... and yes, I realize everyone is different but I'm just saying what I'm seeing with the post you provided. If you're not losing fat, that may be part of the equation right there.
To boot, none of us here have any idea what KIND of fat is producing these numbers. Chocolate? French Fries? Salmon?
If you keep your caloric/workout levels reasonably stable you'll probably see an improvement. That way your body will dial in as to "what to expect" and know what it can "keep" and "get rid of".... I have been sticking to what my chart tells me to do religiously and I've been steady with my weight loss. It's made me realize I was simply eating too much whether it was protein, carbs - whatever.
One thing that has helped me personally is I plan my meals on this site in advance. I'm talking two weeks in advance. I do it on purpose so I don't have a flub up in my numbers by the time 6pm rolls around because quite frankly I do want to eat dinner! I have my diary set so I chart what I eat every THREE hours so I am letting my body know it will be fed on a regular basis and the weight is just dropping off. I also have anything after 8pm set as the no-no zone, meaning... stop putting food in my piehole.... because anything I eat after that will just land on my *kitten* and stomach.
That's all. Now whether you take what I say into consideration or not, hope you find your answers and good luck!
Thank you so much for your reply!
I DO eat healthy, I don't have my food diary open because I don't want people to be critiquing it and criticising it. Now matter how 'clean' or 'perfect' it is, at least 5 people on here will say "well, you need to eat more of this, not that..." So I'm not even going to stroll down that road. But I will say that I eat very healthy - no processed food (except for a cookie or two on my high-calorie days), lots of green veggies (mainly spinach and broccali- my faves!), and high protein (tunafish 1x/week, sardines 3x/week, beef 3x week, and eggs and chicken practically every day).
Supplements: whey protein, omega 3,6,9 complex, and a multivitamin.
I eat high-fat because a ketogenic diet has worked for me in the past. I eat high fat on purpose. I gain rapidly when I consume too many carbs ( over 175grams/day).
Even though I COMPLETELY agree with your post, that if you're eating like crap it's going to be harder to lose, if it's really about calories-in, calories-out, then why does what I eat matter??? (this question is meant for those advocating that calories-in, calories-out are all that matter. Not you, as I completely agree that what you eat does matter 0 -
Yes lyle mcdonald is educated, but he's frowned apron now. He's inconsistent with what he says. his rapid fat loss plan is BS.
Why do you say that?? Who says that?0 -
If you don't intake a minimum of 1300 calories a day your body will go into starvation mode
:laugh: Ridiculous.
I second the ridiculousness.0 -
It's ~290kj/kg body fat, not total body mass, which works out to ~70 kcal/kg or ~31kcal/lb.
Thanks, would be interested to see this.Who ever said that about limited fat oxidation, is not correct. There is a limit but it's extremely high, i think it's 2-3lbs a day. I saw the research, go ask "heybales" for it. That limitation rarely if ever applies to humans in normal situations.
Edit: Research check appears to debunk your claim, and support the ~30 cal/day number:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15615615 (only abstract available for free)
Also, Lyle McD apparently uses this as well, and, while not infallible, he is definitely one of the most knowledgeable folks out there in regards to nutrition.
okay yes. That's what we saw before, we where surprised, then bales did the math on it. I just did the math on it too.A limit on the maximum energy transfer rate from the human fat store in hypophagia is deduced from experimental data of underfed subjects maintaining moderate activity levels and is found to have a value of (290+/-25) kJ/kgd.
The limit is 290kilojules/kilogram a day. I did the math here are the results. This is a person who weighs 150lbs
1 kilocalorie = 4.18400 kilojoules
150lbs(454g/1lbs)(1kg/1000g)(290kj/1kg)(1Cal/4.184kj)(1lbs/3,500Cal) = 1.34lbs or 4720 calories
That's a lot of fat to lose in 1 day.
Yes lyle mcdonald is educated, but he's frowned apron now. He's inconsistent with what he says. his rapid fat loss plan is BS.0 -
This is totally true. Relevant factors for eating "whole foods" vs. "junk food" are satiety (which tends to be more a factor of caloric density than quality of food), and thermic effect of food ("junk foods" tend to have a lower TEF, which can account for perhaps a 10% difference in usable calories, which is significant, but not to the point that most people tend to think).I ate pure junk food for a month, last month to make a point to all my friends. The point was, it's all about calories. You know the results? Lost 12lbs that month. It's not about carbs, proteins, or fat. Weight loss is about "calories" once again.
A nutritionist did a very similar test. IT was on the news, he ate mostly junk food all day, like hostess, chips, little debbie snacks. In 2 months he lost 27lbs and improved his health indicators. It was called "The twinkie diet"
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
AlsoTo boot, none of us here have any idea what KIND of fat is producing these numbers. Chocolate? French Fries? Salmon?
Fat from chocolate, is fat, fat from french fries, is fat, fat from salmon, is fat. Fat = 9calories per gram.
Then people get in to the debate about health. It's healthier to be at a healthy weight and eat junk, then it is to be at an unhealthy weight and eat healthy. Heavier weight affects many risk factors. They are "weight" dependent.
Personally, I just use the rule of thumb of adding 10% to the calories I count when eating junk, and have had 0 problems eating whatever I want with that strategy.0 -
I admit to being a little confused since you kinda seem to want someone to tell you that going back to your old ways is okay since you lost weight back then.
As for what are you are doing wrong, you got really great advice here from a smart man. But seriously, get a health check.
I was getting that impression too, and after reading pages 3&4 am still getting it.
Same here.
Lol. Please get over yourselves and get back on topic while you're at it.
Trolls.
Excuse me? How about you take some advice instead of tossing what everyone is telling you into the gutter?
If you don't want advice, don't post the question. Period.
Kind of like, if you can't stand heat, you probably should step away from the fire sort of thing.
Just sayin'.....
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If you calculate your BMR and TDEE and eat in-between that calorie amount, you should start losing weight. 1200 calories is NOT a magic number, and having a calorie deficit is NOT the only answer. What you are eating and when you are eating it (even if you are below your calorie goal for the day) WILL have an effect on your weight loss. Eating small amounts every few hours throughout the day will raise your metabolism and you will in turn burn more calories. You MUST include both cardio and strength training in your routine!! Do your very best to eat fruits, vegetables, and protein, and limit your carbohydrate intake. Also, eating lots of processed and "fake" foods will hinder your progress. The general rule is to have 80% of your diet whole, unprocessed foods, and 20% "wiggle room." I say cut out meat for multiple reasons, but that is a personal choice. And don't let the scale rule your life; it is much more important how much fat you lose rather than what the number on the bathroom devil says. You already know that though because you are aware of your body fat percentage. Don't forget that muscle is more dense than fat, so your numbers may not budge if you are doing lots of strength training. There are also lots of medical problems and medications that can cause you to maintain or gain weight, so if you aren't seeing progress after several weeks of making positive changes, then you may want to speak to your doctor. Best of luck to you!!
I really agree with her. I know you are frustrated, but it really looks like your metabolism is the main problem.
Eating small amounts throughout the day is a great thing to try in addition to getting a consistent number of calories in every day. If you eat barely anything for a few days and then all of a sudden take in twice the usual amount, your body may get confused (if it had a voice, it'd ask, "okay, what do you want me to do? I'm trying to store energy because I think I'm starving but then all of a sudden you give me all this to process!).
The 1000 calorie diet worked because no matter what your body does, if you starve yourself, you will eventually lose weight. However, that's like saying if you live only on potatoes, you won't starve. I encourage you not to go back to that, as tempting as it is. Please try to be consistent with your recommended daily calorie intake and eat small meals throughout the day- please just try it for three weeks.0 -
I may be new *here* but I used to be a fitness/health fanatic and simply got off track for several years.
One thing we cannot see in your charts is WHAT you are eating.... you know, of what your caloric intake consists. If you're eating candy bars (for instance) your body is not getting the vitamins and minerals it needs to keep your motor running properly.
I'm two inches taller than you and my fat MAX for a day is 40 grams, therefore I'm sure your max could be less. When I add a workout (Jillian Michaels 30 Day Shred), my fat intake MAX is 50 grams..... with that said, I noticed something on your charts that I didn't see anyone else mention - your recent averages were the following:
July - your average daily fat intake was 86.3 grams per day
August - average daily fat intake was 93.4 grams per day
Sept - average daily fat intake was 106.1 grams per day
Oct - average daily fat intake (so far) was 90.4 grams per day
I see on one day your fat consumed was 163 grams - that's four times what my charts recommend sticking to..... and yes, I realize everyone is different but I'm just saying what I'm seeing with the post you provided. If you're not losing fat, that may be part of the equation right there.
To boot, none of us here have any idea what KIND of fat is producing these numbers. Chocolate? French Fries? Salmon?
If you keep your caloric/workout levels reasonably stable you'll probably see an improvement. That way your body will dial in as to "what to expect" and know what it can "keep" and "get rid of".... I have been sticking to what my chart tells me to do religiously and I've been steady with my weight loss. It's made me realize I was simply eating too much whether it was protein, carbs - whatever.
One thing that has helped me personally is I plan my meals on this site in advance. I'm talking two weeks in advance. I do it on purpose so I don't have a flub up in my numbers by the time 6pm rolls around because quite frankly I do want to eat dinner! I have my diary set so I chart what I eat every THREE hours so I am letting my body know it will be fed on a regular basis and the weight is just dropping off. I also have anything after 8pm set as the no-no zone, meaning... stop putting food in my piehole.... because anything I eat after that will just land on my *kitten* and stomach.
That's all. Now whether you take what I say into consideration or not, hope you find your answers and good luck!
Thank you so much for your reply!
I DO eat healthy, I don't have my food diary open because I don't want people to be critiquing it and criticising it. Now matter how 'clean' or 'perfect' it is, at least 5 people on here will say "well, you need to eat more of this, not that..." So I'm not even going to stroll down that road. But I will say that I eat very healthy - no processed food (except for a cookie or two on my high-calorie days), lots of green veggies (mainly spinach and broccali- my faves!), and high protein (tunafish 1x/week, sardines 3x/week, beef 3x week, and eggs and chicken practically every day).
Supplements: whey protein, omega 3,6,9 complex, and a multivitamin.
I eat high-fat because a ketogenic diet has worked for me in the past. I eat high fat on purpose. I gain rapidly when I consume too many carbs ( over 175grams/day).
Even though I COMPLETELY agree with your post, that if you're eating like crap it's going to be harder to lose, if it's really about calories-in, calories-out, then why does what I eat matter??? (this question is meant for those advocating that calories-in, calories-out are all that matter. Not you, as I completely agree that what you eat does matter
Because your body needs VITAMINS AND NUTRIENTS, sources being from REAL food.
Candy bars & french fries (for instance) have calories indeed, but no nutritional value that adds up to much.
Having too much fat swirling around in your system can cause systematic problems down the road.
You may not feel it now, but you will later.
Let me ask you something, you say a ketogenic diet works for you, are you aware of what changes in your body and veins happen to create a "stroke?"
Sidenote: My mother had 3 major strokes, and approximately 85 TIA's, many of which happened right in front of me. I'm quite versed on the topic....0 -
I can't handle all those numbers. Good luck , I hope you find the answers you need.0
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If you don't intake a minimum of 1300 calories a day your body will go into starvation mode
Oh boy.0 -
Let me ask you something, you say a ketogenic diet works for you, are you aware of what changes in your body and veins happen to create a "stroke?"
Yeah, I stopped having afternoon migraines...0 -
1. Your BMR is not 1200, it is about 1448. Check it here. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/tools/bmr-calculator
2. Adding your exercise calories to that does not give you your TDEE. You first have to multiply it by the activity factor. Even completely sedentary people get a 1.2, but most people are more like 1.5. So that makes your TDEE 2172 (all numbers are estimates, every human is slightly different and we cannot be put on a chart precisely).
3. A healthy deficit is 20% of TDEE. So you should be aiming for 1737 a day, which can be rounded to 1700, since it's all estimates anyway.
This is your starting point. Eat 1700 a day and lift weights, for a FULL MONTH.
Do NOT step on a scale during that month.
After a full month, judge your progress by what you see in the mirror, how you feel, and how your clothes fit, not by any numbers on a box on the floor, or any numbers some dude at the gym told you while poking you with plastic things...numbers mean nothing.
IF you do not notice ANY positive changes after that whole month, tweak your calorie intake SLIGHTLY by going down to 1600 or so, and try that for at least 3 weeks before making a decision if it has helped or not.
My personal opinion? You ate way too little for way too long, you screwed your metabolism over, and it is going to take some work to fix it. Eating 1200 or less a day again is not going to do you any long term favors. Fix your furnace so it burns properly.
repost in case you missed this within the arguing....
On page 3 you stated your BMR was 1200 and went on to add exercise and call it your TDEE.
You're doing it wrong. See above.0 -
1. Your BMR is not 1200, it is about 1448. Check it here. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/tools/bmr-calculator
2. Adding your exercise calories to that does not give you your TDEE. You first have to multiply it by the activity factor. Even completely sedentary people get a 1.2, but most people are more like 1.5. So that makes your TDEE 2172 (all numbers are estimates, every human is slightly different and we cannot be put on a chart precisely).
3. A healthy deficit is 20% of TDEE. So you should be aiming for 1737 a day, which can be rounded to 1700, since it's all estimates anyway.
This is your starting point. Eat 1700 a day and lift weights, for a FULL MONTH.
Do NOT step on a scale during that month.
After a full month, judge your progress by what you see in the mirror, how you feel, and how your clothes fit, not by any numbers on a box on the floor, or any numbers some dude at the gym told you while poking you with plastic things...numbers mean nothing.
IF you do not notice ANY positive changes after that whole month, tweak your calorie intake SLIGHTLY by going down to 1600 or so, and try that for at least 3 weeks before making a decision if it has helped or not.
It does not have to be as complicated as this thread suggests. ^^^^This is the most sensible response to the OP. Just tweak your calorie intake a bit, You say you lost at 1000 cal per day and are not losing at 1700 cal a day. There is a big difference between 1000 and 1700, so just try a bit less than what you have been lately and check it in a few weeks.0 -
I would like everyone's input on my situation. Caution: If you don't give me the answer I am looking for or like I plan to call you a troll. ( ;0
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Let me ask you something, you say a ketogenic diet works for you, are you aware of what changes in your body and veins happen to create a "stroke?"
Yeah, I stopped having afternoon migraines...
You didn't answer my question, so I shall assume you do not have any idea of what I'm talking about.
I'm done with your "please help me" plea.... you don't want help, just people to tell you what you want to hear.0 -
Let me ask you something, you say a ketogenic diet works for you, are you aware of what changes in your body and veins happen to create a "stroke?"
Yeah, I stopped having afternoon migraines...
You didn't answer my question, so I shall assume you do not have any idea of what I'm talking about.
I'm done with your "please help me" plea.... you don't want help, just people to tell you what you want to hear.
Your argument is COMPLETELY anecdotal. There is absolutely no evidence that suggests saturated fat is linked to having a stroke.
CONCLUSIONS:A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.
I second this^^^^ And there are HUNDREDS of these studies. Would you like a list???0 -
I can factually say this from my own experience, it's not just about calories, it's about what you eat and don't eat.
Processed foods are not good for weight loss...
My advice, eat lots of unprocessed fruit, vegetables, some nuts, seeds but nuts and seeds in moderation, and not roasted or salted...
I've lost 85 pounds this year, and never been hungry once, and being I'm disabled I can't exercise...
But don't listen to me, do your own research, and find the truth for yourself...
This is Annette Larkins, she's 70 years old, and look at the difference in the way she looks, compared to her husband who eats the standard American diet...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6oJA_xhTa8 0 -
I've lost 85 pounds this year, and never been hungry once, and being I'm disabled I can't exercise...
Holy Moly. Congratulations!0 -
I can factually say this from my own experience, it's not just about calories, it's about what you eat and don't eat.
Processed foods are not good for weight loss...
My advice, eat lots of unprocessed fruit, vegetables, some nuts, seeds but nuts and seeds in moderation, and not roasted or salted...
I've lost 85 pounds this year, and never been hungry once, and being I'm disabled I can't exercise...
But don't listen to me, do your own research, and find the truth for yourself...
Awesome job! Kudos to you!!!
I watched that video - she looks amazing! What a great story!0 -
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Your argument is COMPLETELY anecdotal. There is absolutely no evidence that suggests saturated fat is linked to having a stroke.
OMG.... really? When you're 50 and have your first stroke (like my momma), you let me know. That is if you're not half paralyzed and still know your own name.
Ok, I guess all of her doctors were completely wrong. I take it you must have a PhD in nutrition and know better than five physicians that were treating her? Let me break it down so even the teens on the board can understand this:
1. Dietary saturated fat increases blood cholesterol. Foods high in saturated fat and cholesterol can increase cholesterol levels. Saturated fat is NOT needed by your body, and one's body typically makes enough cholesterol on it's own.
2. When you have increased blood cholesterol, it deposits all over the walls in your veins, worst case scenario is in the "chipped" areas of your veins.... as they turn into blood clots and the body doesn't like those clotty things swirling around in the veiny bits all that much.
3. When these particles/clotty chunks of cholesterol and what not break off due to blood rushing past them in your veins..... ta daaaa... when that particle gets stuck, you have a stroke.
PS - When you throw a blood clot/stroke out in your lungs it kills you and your lips will turn blue. Just ask my mother......
The end. Carry on!
"Eat a healthy diet — maintaining a diet low in calories, saturated and trans fats and cholesterol helps manage both obesity and healthy cholesterol levels in the blood, which also reduces risk for stroke."
http://www.stroke.org0 -
Really, even 2 lbs/week is a heck of a lot of weight to lose. I think most people who are on this forum don't really need to be concerned... by the time you hit the high end of overweight, even using my paranoid 23kcal/lb (arbitrary number based upon error margins) fat yields enough energy to supply a full day's TDEE. I just didn't want to go into an insane amount of detail for someone who just wants a simple 'what do i need to do' plan, so chose 1.5 lbs as it should be reasonable for a female til at least the low 20's, and know that people here have a bad tendency to go overboard on the cardio+caloric restriction, lose a ton of lean body mass, then post "OMG I LOST THE WEIGHT AND I LOOK TERRIBLE" type posts.I thought that, it sounds more realistic, but... total weight has a bigger impact in terms of energy expenditure. You might be right.
Using the example above a 150lbs person with 20% bodyfat = 30lbs of fat.
30lbs (31kcal/lbs) = 930 calories of fat per day. Or 1.86lbs a week.
20% bodyfat is pretty average, and most people say 1.86lbs might be too much for a person with 20% body fat.0 -
The raid fat loss plan, me and my friends did it, i had a private group on MFP for it. i only allowed experienced MFP members i the group. Results... I lost 10lbs in 2 weeks, stalled out for 3, i was eating 1,300 calories a day. WIth no results i said screw it on week 5 got off it. I gained back 7lbs in 2 days after that. Total loss 3lbs in 5 weeks.
Why do you say that?? Who says that?Yes lyle mcdonald is educated, but he's frowned apron now. He's inconsistent with what he says. his rapid fat loss plan is BS.
He wrote a protein book that sells kind of high, I think 100 dollars or so. In the first chapter he says, "protein consumption should be based on lean body mass" then he write a long *kitten* book where he recommends protein consumption based on "total weight"
Someone challenged him on his forums. It was a talk about insulin. The guy said.. "if insulin wasn't produced no one would be fat" (of course we'd also be dead). Mcdonald's reply was, "Diabetes isn't normal physiology"
People who are over weight have some from of insulin resistance. Since he writes for people who have "normal physiology" none of his stuff applies to us.
He wrote an article that says, "you can't build muscle and lose fat at the same time." Yet he wrote a book on the subject on how to do so. UD 2.0 (Ultimate DIet 2.0)
sounds like you did it wrong.0 -
TL;DR: Regular exercise and not being fat are more important to your cardiovascular health than diet.Your argument is COMPLETELY anecdotal. There is absolutely no evidence that suggests saturated fat is linked to having a stroke.
OMG.... really? When you're 50 and have your first stroke (like my momma), you let me know. That is if you're not half paralyzed and still know your own name.
Ok, I guess all of her doctors were completely wrong. I take it you must have a PhD in nutrition and know better than five physicians that were treating her? Let me break it down so even the teens on the board can understand this:
1. Dietary saturated fat increases blood cholesterol. Foods high in saturated fat and cholesterol can increase cholesterol levels. Saturated fat is NOT needed by your body, and one's body typically makes enough cholesterol on it's own.
2. When you have increased blood cholesterol, it deposits all over the walls in your veins, worst case scenario is in the "chipped" areas of your veins.... as they turn into blood clots and the body doesn't like those clotty things swirling around in the veiny bits all that much.
3. When these particles/clotty chunks of cholesterol and what not break off due to blood rushing past them in your veins..... ta daaaa... when that particle gets stuck, you have a stroke.
PS - When you throw a blood clot/stroke out in your lungs it kills you and your lips will turn blue. Just ask my mother......
The end. Carry on!
"Eat a healthy diet — maintaining a diet low in calories, saturated and trans fats and cholesterol helps manage both obesity and healthy cholesterol levels in the blood, which also reduces risk for stroke."
http://www.stroke.org
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/questions/healthy-fats/index.html
Current research indicates dietary fat intake has a negligible effect on blood cholesterol levels.
Obesity/diabetes ("metabolic syndrome) is the number one correlate for cardiovascular issues such as heart attack and stroke.
Anecdotally, I eat probably 2-3x the "recommended" dosage of saturated fats, have normal LDL, and "high" HDL (in case you are unaware, high HDL is very good), which puts my ratio in the "disgustingly healthy" category according to my doctor. Poor cholesterol and heart attacks/stroke run in my family, so it is definitely not genetic. Also, my father had blood pressure and cholesterol issues prior to starting a diet/workout regimen similar to mine, and, despite eating a significant quantity of saturated fat as well, after 6 months he now requires no meds, and has very healthy BP and cholesterol numbers.
I realize you are trying to help, and recommend you review the most recent literature, as you will find that our understanding of the role of dietary fats in blood lipid levels has changed drastically over the last several years.0 -
DO NOT EAT EMPTY CARBS. carbs from veggies are okay but try to limit your carbs to 100grams or less per day. the weight will shed off of you. eat a lot of meats, veggies, berries(in moderation), NO precessed food, eat fish and DRINK A LOT OF WATER, try to cut sugar out completely(use stevia-its a 0 cal natural sweetener)
basically check out the PALEO/PRIMAL lifestyle and the weight will come off without you having to restrict.
and working out is anyways nice to to look toned0 -
you came to the wrong place for dietary advice.
go to your doctor and then maybe a nutritionist.
you need professional advice. you will not find that here.
Yes there is a lot of terrible rambling and people who just want to get their opinions out there with out having a clue on this topic.
there has been a good answer here, which is a surprise. that doesn't normally happen. that being said a good nutritionist should be able to measure your BF% and the rest and hopefully give you better advice than 95% of people on this forum.
if you don't eat properly it can be very bad for you. thats why seeing a doctor is a good idea. she could have health problems and needs a check up, no matter how stupid you say your doctor is.0 -
I would like everyone's input on my situation. Caution: If you don't give me the answer I am looking for or like I plan to call you a troll. ( ;
"in addition, if someone gives me really really good advice, I will not acknowledge it's existence or say thank you for correcting my glaring errors... I will only argue with everyone else and ignore the best piece of truth and knowledge in the thread"0 -
I would like everyone's input on my situation. Caution: If you don't give me the answer I am looking for or like I plan to call you a troll. ( ;
"in addition, if someone gives me really really good advice, I will not acknowledge it's existence or say thank you for correcting my glaring errors... I will only argue with everyone else and ignore the best piece of truth and knowledge in the thread"
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