Well, it is officially time for a new gym

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  • losindood
    losindood Posts: 36 Member
    I don't think it's unreasonable for the club director to not want their building and equipment destroyed. There is no need to drop weights or put them down hard. And yes, I know of what I speak. I was an all-american dead-lifter in high school. (515lbs)

    Sounds like you need to buy some weights and lift in your garage then you can drop away and nobody will care. Good luck. :smile:
  • WinnerVictorious
    WinnerVictorious Posts: 4,733 Member
    You should have grabbed the cruise director and did this.

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    LOL! best scene from a great movie

    better than this?

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  • It's difficult to say, without actually seeing or hearing it, but I may have to agree with some other people here. If you are constantly "dropping" the negative rep or a partial of the negative rep, then yes, you're deadlifting more weight than you can handle. With the deadlift you can recruit so many different muscles, that if you don't know what you're doing it is easy to "cheat" the rep and be able to pull up more weight than you actually should, by doing this and not having your core as tight etc, you are setting yourself up for injury. People lifting heavy, and curving their back towards the middle of the rep is one example of this.

    If the Director is just complaining about the slight "Thud" as the deadlift comes to rest on the floor, then yes I agree that he's an @$$, and you should get another gym!

    As a side note, in case you feel like accusing me of not ever lifting heavy deads (like you did someone else here) because I may not agree with your opinion, I rep 418lbs.
  • i assume you weren't dropping it from 3' off the ground.

    assuming you were just deadlifting heavy and dropping the weight normally, it's ridiculous that a gym, where people are supposed to be lifting weights, doesn't have provisions for that.

    I wasn't actually letting go of it, just taking it down pretty fast with little resistance

    And missing a whole half of the rep (negative) in the process. So my assumption in my above post is correct then it seems.
  • gabriellejayde
    gabriellejayde Posts: 607 Member
    i assume you weren't dropping it from 3' off the ground.

    assuming you were just deadlifting heavy and dropping the weight normally, it's ridiculous that a gym, where people are supposed to be lifting weights, doesn't have provisions for that.

    I wasn't actually letting go of it, just taking it down pretty fast with little resistance

    And missing a whole half of the rep (negative) in the process. So my assumption in my above post is correct then it seems.

    In a bench press, the rep consistist of bringing the weight down to your chest (the negative part of the rep), then pushing it back up. but in a deadlift, the only part of the lift is picking it up from the floor and bringing it up to a standing position. The weight should be assisted back down, but it's not part of the lift.
  • ironanimal
    ironanimal Posts: 5,922 Member
    I may get flamed for this, but I agree with the Club Director on this one.

    If you can't control the weights, you shouldn't be lifting so heavy.

    The negative phase of a deadlift is unecessary for anyone training for explosive strength. It's also the phase of the lift with the most potential for injury, and pretty much the only benefit of it is in hypertrophy. Compared to being able to do another rep, it's just not worth it.

    When I do deads, I lower it to below the knee and just let it drop in my current gym so as not to shake the shop below too much. In another gym I've used, a pro bodybuilding/powerlifting gym with a platform, I let that sucker go from the top. And because these are both serious gyms, nobody gives a crap.
  • Sorry but I don't agree, with the exception of powerlift, and explosive lifting as mentioned by ironanimal, you can operate the bench press much the same, explode up and let the negative fall, but it won't be good for hypertrophy. Same applies for Deadlifts.

    Bearing in mind when you lift for Hypertrophy "generally" it's in the 8+ rep range, so you shouldn't need to drop the negative part of the rep (maybe with the exception of the last one when going to failure?).
  • mjrkearney
    mjrkearney Posts: 408 Member
    If your Director really has a problem with everything rattling when you release your dead lift, then yes, you should go find another gym. Preferably one that's more structurally sound, has better flooring, or has a heavily padded lifting area.

    Also, for the record, I am a former lifter and current "cardio bunny" and the only thing that breaks me out of my zone is the fire alarm.
  • Why is it every thread (OK ... I'm exaggerating ... A LOT of threads) around here lately has to turn into a pissing contest? Everyone trying to prove they know more than everyone else or that they can lift more than anyone else or blah blah blah. At first it was kind of humorous to read, but now it's just plain old and annoying.
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    Why is it every thread (OK ... I'm exaggerating ... A LOT of threads) around here lately has to turn into a pissing contest? Everyone trying to prove they know more than everyone else or that they can lift more than anyone else or blah blah blah. At first it was kind of humorous to read, but now it's just plain old and annoying.

    There's threads where people try to prove who can lift more? Around here? Don't keep it to yourself man, where dey at??? Let's get in there!
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    Why is it every thread (OK ... I'm exaggerating ... A LOT of threads) around here lately has to turn into a pissing contest? Everyone trying to prove they know more than everyone else or that they can lift more than anyone else or blah blah blah. At first it was kind of humorous to read, but now it's just plain old and annoying.

    There's threads where people try to prove who can lift more? Around here? Don't keep it to yourself man, where dey at??? Let's get in there!

    Yeah, I haven't seen many of those on MFP...which is surprising because nearly every other fitness site has them...

    ...which tells me something...I'm just not exactly sure what it is...
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    Why is it every thread (OK ... I'm exaggerating ... A LOT of threads) around here lately has to turn into a pissing contest? Everyone trying to prove they know more than everyone else or that they can lift more than anyone else or blah blah blah. At first it was kind of humorous to read, but now it's just plain old and annoying.

    There's threads where people try to prove who can lift more? Around here? Don't keep it to yourself man, where dey at??? Let's get in there!

    Yeah, I haven't seen many of those on MFP...which is surprising because nearly every other fitness site has them...

    ...which tells me something...I'm just not exactly sure what it is...

    On here people rant about the girl that wears too much makeup at the gym or if someone used a treadmill to close to theirs instead of bragging about tons lifted. Pretty much tells the tale of this site.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Why is it every thread (OK ... I'm exaggerating ... A LOT of threads) around here lately has to turn into a pissing contest? Everyone trying to prove they know more than everyone else or that they can lift more than anyone else or blah blah blah. At first it was kind of humorous to read, but now it's just plain old and annoying.

    There's threads where people try to prove who can lift more? Around here? Don't keep it to yourself man, where dey at??? Let's get in there!

    Yeah, I haven't seen many of those on MFP...which is surprising because nearly every other fitness site has them...

    ...which tells me something...I'm just not exactly sure what it is...

    On here people rant about the girl that wears too much makeup at the gym or if someone used a treadmill to close to theirs instead of bragging about tons lifted. Pretty much tells the tale of this site.

    Or they rant about this *cough*

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  • wellbert
    wellbert Posts: 3,924 Member
    Slow lowering the deadlift back to the ground on high-effort reps is pretty much asking for an injury with very little reward in strength. A real gym allows deadlifts to be safely reset.

    Cardio bunny hamster farms do not. Sadly, that is 95% of gym these days. Big boxes full of mediocrity.
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    Also the free weight area is on the second floor, so that is of course problematic.
    Well that was great planning wasn't it? Pretty funny.

    I feel for the OP. Unless the gym states everywhere that they don't like dead-lifting, then he should not say anything to you. It's how you do it, and I completely support finding a new gym. It's all about finding a comfortable place for you and your particular routine. Best of luck finding an understanding place.

    But this alarm. I hate this thing. I love my PF, but this thing could just stop working and I'd be complete. It's louder than anyone dropping any weights. I tend to get bad headaches from slamming weights (my old gym had a lot of dead-lifting and I always left almost in tears from my pounding head) and that thing is just as bad!
  • Sound s like Planet Fitness...They have a "Lunk Alarm" that the employees actually activate if you're making to much noise (breathing, grunting, etc.) :laugh:
  • amann1976
    amann1976 Posts: 742 Member
    you should be able to control your dead lifts on the way up and on the way down... nobody wants to be distracted from their workout by you dropping the weight because you are trying to be heman and cant handle the weight. I deadlift very heavy twice a week and i never slam my weights down i have total control over the weight.
  • KBjimAZ
    KBjimAZ Posts: 369 Member
    I checked the rules of both USA Powerlifting and N.A.S.A (Natural Athlete Strength Association) and both say:

    Causes for Disqualification of a Dead Lift
    7. Allowing the bar to return to the platform without maintaining control with both hands.

    That's what I go by....
  • gabriellejayde
    gabriellejayde Posts: 607 Member
    Sorry but I don't agree, with the exception of powerlift, and explosive lifting as mentioned by ironanimal, you can operate the bench press much the same, explode up and let the negative fall, but it won't be good for hypertrophy. Same applies for Deadlifts.

    Bearing in mind when you lift for Hypertrophy "generally" it's in the 8+ rep range, so you shouldn't need to drop the negative part of the rep (maybe with the exception of the last one when going to failure?).

    but if he's lifting that heavy, he's not deadlifting for hypertrophy, he's lifting for explosive strength (powerlifting).
    The gym should have said that powerlifting isn't allowed because every powerlifter I know (I used to compete), drops the weight at some point after a deadlift - many from a completely standing position.
  • msshiraz
    msshiraz Posts: 327 Member
    so what is dead lifting? How does it work/benefit/challenge? ( I am asking because I honestly have no clue- maybe more need to understand what it is and the benefits)
  • megleo818
    megleo818 Posts: 595 Member
    My understanding about this whole question is that some gyms are more geared toward heavy lifters than others, and some are totally anti because it annoys or scares the bulk of their clients. I've belonged to a "lifting-friendly" gym, where it felt like wall-to-wall bald guys with no necks, and now am at a more middle-of-the-road gym that has specific places where it's cool for you to drop your stuff (as long as you're doing it on purpose). Way back in the day, I belonged to an uber-fancy gym were it was absolutely NOT allowed to do something as (gasp!) shocking as what you're doing. That place grated on me.

    Anyway, I'd say you're really better off having a complete understanding of any given gym's policy before you join if you want to be dropping big weights. The people who run the gym you just left should have asked you what your goals were before you ever joined so this wouldn't have happened. Missing that step was totally unprofessional and I think you're totally justified in being pissed.
  • meshashesha2012
    meshashesha2012 Posts: 8,329 Member
    is the gym building made of straw or something? i think that's a better question.

    and i wonder what they'd say about someone like me when i was at my heaviest doing sprints and jumping ope in the building.
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    Why is it every thread (OK ... I'm exaggerating ... A LOT of threads) around here lately has to turn into a pissing contest? Everyone trying to prove they know more than everyone else or that they can lift more than anyone else or blah blah blah. At first it was kind of humorous to read, but now it's just plain old and annoying.

    There's threads where people try to prove who can lift more? Around here? Don't keep it to yourself man, where dey at??? Let's get in there!

    Yeah, I haven't seen many of those on MFP...which is surprising because nearly every other fitness site has them...

    ...which tells me something...I'm just not exactly sure what it is...

    On here people rant about the girl that wears too much makeup at the gym or if someone used a treadmill to close to theirs instead of bragging about tons lifted. Pretty much tells the tale of this site.

    Or they rant about this *cough*

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    reported to mods for attempted hijacking. so nyah nyah :tongue:
  • wellbert
    wellbert Posts: 3,924 Member
    so what is dead lifting? How does it work/benefit/challenge? ( I am asking because I honestly have no clue- maybe more need to understand what it is and the benefits)


    bend over, pick up extremely heavy ****. stand up.
    Pretty much the most useful thing you'll ever do.
  • i wouldnt cancel your membership. dont let some club director take your deadlift shine.
  • jesse1379
    jesse1379 Posts: 239 Member
    Usually one can get a sense just by walking through a gym once if it is a more "health club" kind organization or an iron horse kind of heavy lifting gym where you can let it all hang out.

    Either that or you can just come right out and ask before you slap down the money for a membership. One telling sign that your in a lunk friendly gym is if the cardio equipment to iron ratio is higher ,or if they are situated next to eachother. If the weights are situated right next to a row of ellypticals, treadmills, bicycles, ... chances are its not a good place to lunk out lol.
  • Sweetsugar0424
    Sweetsugar0424 Posts: 451 Member
    Tell him to try taking a crack at it...put up or shut up! 2nd floor is a DUMB idea!! If you really do go elsewhere, I hope you can find somewhere set up better for people who actually lift properly.
  • msshiraz
    msshiraz Posts: 327 Member
    so what is dead lifting? How does it work/benefit/challenge? ( I am asking because I honestly have no clue- maybe more need to understand what it is and the benefits)


    bend over, pick up extremely heavy ****. stand up.
    Pretty much the most useful thing you'll ever do.

    Ok- thx. And I doubt that its even remotely the best thing I'll ever do- because I won't be doing that. Absolutely no explanation as to the health benefits vs other formats of weight training that are highly effective.
  • meshashesha2012
    meshashesha2012 Posts: 8,329 Member
    so what is dead lifting? How does it work/benefit/challenge? ( I am asking because I honestly have no clue- maybe more need to understand what it is and the benefits)


    bend over, pick up extremely heavy ****. stand up.
    Pretty much the most useful thing you'll ever do.

    Ok- thx. And I doubt that its even remotely the best thing I'll ever do- because I won't be doing that. Absolutely no explanation as to the health benefits vs other formats of weight training that are highly effective.

    deadlifts work your entire body in 1 go. thighs, hamstrings, but, core, shoulders, etc

    also every time you do 5 reps a kitten is saved from drowning.

    you dont want the kittens to drown do you?

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  • Mighty_Rabite
    Mighty_Rabite Posts: 581 Member
    If I owned a gym with two floors, I wouldn't have so much as a dumbbell upstairs!

    Some moves, you want to LIFT and then LOWER. Deadlift is most certainly NOT an exercise you want to take your time lowering, especially when you are at exhaustion. I'm all for putting weights down quietly when reasonable but I would never balk at someone causing a ruckus after deadlifts!