Views on Whole Food Plant based diet?

The only real quality protein is from animal sources… some merit, of course, but we need animal sourced protein. Most Americans can do with less. I am just partway through the film… but I will remark more throughout probably..

'Always' statements are rarely true, such as: "The only real quality protein is from animal sources.'

It is true. Sure, soy, quinoa, amaranth, hemp seed all have complete protein. True. Quality, bioavailable protein, not so much. Isolated, can these proteins replace animal base protein? Sure. But that is not in the realm of non- wealthy peoples reality.

can you explain how I bought 2lbs of quinoa for $4.50 then? When I used to buy meat, a pound of lean ground beef was that price or higher which yields way fewer servings than the same price I paid for 2lbs of quinoa..

100 g's of cooked quinoa has 4 g's of protein and around 20 g's of carbs about 120 calories, so really it's a carb source not a protein source. 100g's of tilapia has 20 g's of protein and a plate full of vegetables will still be about the same amount of calories. How much quinoa would be the equivalent........just over a lb with 600 calories.

Seriously are you trying to compare tilapia to quinoa? Lol if you want to talk about protein try comparing any kind of fish to Spirulina. Compare it by weight. Spirulina will take nutritional ****s on any of your favorite meat products. You wanna talj about Omega 3 fatty aacids? Do you know what they are? That's right Spirulina, chlorella and wheatgrass juice all contain more omefa 3's than fish and eggs. The eggs with the highest amount of Omega 3's are the eggs from free range hens that were fed lots of greens more than grains. You can't debate health and nutrition with a vegan. You won't win. A healthy vegan diet is the healthiest diet, period!

Since they were discussing protein, yes I was serious, and the poster unsuccessfully deflected the argument away with, we don't need that much protein, which has nothing to do with the comparison, and then asked why people think carbs are bad, who is saying they are?.....really don't know what to say about that defense.

As far as omega 3's and the vegan diet are concerned, that's pretty much traveled ground, so it's hard to to understand what your trying to say, and considering I can't debate health and nutrition with a vegan, I guess you'll have the unconditional right to misinform the general population and only discuss it with your fellow vegans, is that right? That must also be the reason I didn't get a response to this in another thread:

Thank you and yes my mom has lost weight. It's nicely reflected on her face. I don't track my vitamins anf minerals or my calories. That's another good thing about being vegan you don't have to worry about sugars or calories or saturated fats, trans fats etc..


Glad your mom is feeling better. What do you mean you don't have to worry about sugar, calories, saturated fat or trans fats, those are all found in a vegan diet?

Maybe you can enlighten all of us with an answer....I'm sure all vegans would like to know the answer to this one, as well.

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I don't count calories and carbs because vegans on a plant based diet don't have to. There's your answer. You will never see an overweight vegan that eats nothing but a plant based diet. Unless it's someone that just started eating a vegan diet. Ok there, anymore questions?

That's the best nutritional answer ever. What about trans fats, saturated fats and sugar, considering your on a roll.

What do you want to know about trans fats? There's none in my diet so why should I worry about them? The recommended intake of nuts which do contain some saturated fats is about a handful daily. They contain more unsaturated fats which are healthy and due to the fiber they and enzymes when eaten raw the body easily digests and eliminates the unnecessary nutrients. And sugar what about it what fo you want to know about sugar cane?

The only unhealthy vegan foods that contain trans fats are processed foods like corn or canola oils for example and no i don't eat any of those. How many times do I have to mention that I eat a healthy vegan diet? Trans fats occur naturally in meat or dairy products which I avoid.

The trans fats in meat and dairy are called conjugated linoleic acids (CLA) which are quite different from the man made partially hydrogenated polyunsaturated vegetable oils. Not all vegans eat unprocessed foods or don't use off the shelf vegetable oils like canola, corn and soy that all have trans fats in them from the deodorizing process in the refining of those oils, and not just in hydrogenated veg oils. Just thought I'd mention this distinction.

The only unhealthy vegan foods that contain trans fats are processed foods like corn or canola oils for example and no i don't eat any of those. How many times do I have to mention that I eat a healthy vegan diet? Trans fats occur naturally in meat or dairy products which I avoid.

There are lots of veg. athletes and bodybuilders. As far as bodybuilders go I happen to like vegan Jim Sitko


His blog has recipes and info for anyone interested: http://www.jimisitko.com/wordpress/

The only real quality protein is from animal sources… some merit, of course, but we need animal sourced protein. Most Americans can do with less. I am just partway through the film… but I will remark more throughout probably..

'Always' statements are rarely true, such as: "The only real quality protein is from animal sources.'

It is true. Sure, soy, quinoa, amaranth, hemp seed all have complete protein. True. Quality, bioavailable protein, not so much. Isolated, can these proteins replace animal base protein? Sure. But that is not in the realm of non- wealthy peoples reality.

can you explain how I bought 2lbs of quinoa for $4.50 then? When I used to buy meat, a pound of lean ground beef was that price or higher which yields way fewer servings than the same price I paid for 2lbs of quinoa..

100 g's of cooked quinoa has 4 g's of protein and around 20 g's of carbs about 120 calories, so really it's a carb source not a protein source. 100g's of tilapia has 20 g's of protein and a plate full of vegetables will still be about the same amount of calories. How much quinoa would be the equivalent........just over a lb with 600 calories.

Seriously are you trying to compare tilapia to quinoa? Lol if you want to talk about protein try comparing any kind of fish to Spirulina. Compare it by weight. Spirulina will nutritionally backhand any of your favorite meat products. You want to talk about Omega 3 fatty acids? Do you know what they are? That's right Spirulina, chlorella and wheatgrass juice all contain more omega 3's than fish and eggs. The eggs with the highest amount of Omega 3's are the eggs from free range hens that were fed lots of greens more than grains. You can't debate health and nutrition with a vegan. You won't find any meat products with more vitamin C and antioxidants than Noni. There's no meat in the world with more antioxidants than pomegranate, noni, mangosteen, acai berries, goji berries, green tea, matcha etc.. You might fool other people that don't know much about the vegan diet but you won't fool me or others that have given it a try and felt the results.

The only real quality protein is from animal sources… some merit, of course, but we need animal sourced protein. Most Americans can do with less. I am just partway through the film… but I will remark more throughout probably..

'Always' statements are rarely true, such as: "The only real quality protein is from animal sources.'

It is true. Sure, soy, quinoa, amaranth, hemp seed all have complete protein. True. Quality, bioavailable protein, not so much. Isolated, can these proteins replace animal base protein? Sure. But that is not in the realm of non- wealthy peoples reality.

can you explain how I bought 2lbs of quinoa for $4.50 then? When I used to buy meat, a pound of lean ground beef was that price or higher which yields way fewer servings than the same price I paid for 2lbs of quinoa..

100 g's of cooked quinoa has 4 g's of protein and around 20 g's of carbs about 120 calories, so really it's a carb source not a protein source. 100g's of tilapia has 20 g's of protein and a plate full of vegetables will still be about the same amount of calories. How much quinoa would be the equivalent........just over a lb with 600 calories.

Seriously are you trying to compare tilapia to quinoa? Lol if you want to talk about protein try comparing any kind of fish to Spirulina. Compare it by weight. Spirulina will nutritionally backhand any of your favorite meat products. You want to talk about Omega 3 fatty acids? Do you know what they are? That's right Spirulina, chlorella and wheatgrass juice all contain more omega 3's than fish and eggs. The eggs with the highest amount of Omega 3's are the eggs from free range hens that were fed lots of greens more than grains. You can't debate health and nutrition with a vegan. You won't find any meat products with more vitamin C and antioxidants than Noni. There's no meat in the world with more antioxidants than pomegranate, noni, mangosteen, acai berries, goji berries, green tea, matcha etc.. You might fool other people that don't know much about the vegan diet but you won't fool me or others that have given it a try and felt the results.

Sounds great, until you learn the fact that the human body is ridiculously inefficient at converting omega3s from plant sources. Spiraling may have more omega3s in it gram for gram, but your body will absorb far more of the omega3s from fish. It's not about how much nutrition a food item has in it, it's about bioavailability, and how much your body can process.

It's like the silly white vs brown rice debate, sure brown rice has a slight edge in overall nutrition, but your body actually uses more nutrients from the white rice, because it can't absorb the nutrients in the brown rice.

Yes, you can get all the nutrients you need from a vegan diet, but it's not better than any other balanced diet. Oh, and for the record, spirulina isn't real food. It's a highly processed cyanobacteria supplement, so I'm not sure how it can even be mentioned when talking about a "WHOLE FOOD plant based diet."

I have read so many actual scientific studies on this stuff. It isn't even a question. There is no question about it. You can get adequate protein as vegan only through taking very expensive vegan protein powders. Outside of that, you need animal sourced protein. A veg can do it, but they need dairy and eggs. On a regular basis.

I apologized to her for being a smart *kitten*.

Again, this thread is about a WHOLE FOOD plant based diet. Spirulina is a highly processed supplement. It does not belong in a discussion on whole foods.

As for cholesterol, your body makes 99% of it. Cholesterol from food has no effect on high cholesterol, as high cholesterol is a genetic condition where the body produces too much cholesterol. Besides, plants contain cholesterol. Cholesterol is a requirement for cell walls. If plants didn't have cholesterol, then they wouldn't exist.

Again, this thread is about a WHOLE FOOD plant based diet. Spirulina is a highly processed supplement. It does not belong in a discussion on whole foods.

As for cholesterol, your body makes 99% of it. Cholesterol from food has no effect on high cholesterol, as high cholesterol is a genetic condition where the body produces too much cholesterol. Besides, plants contain cholesterol. Cholesterol is a requirement for cell walls. If plants didn't have cholesterol, then they wouldn't exist.

Spirulina is an algae. It's nutrients are microscopic and not damaged during processing. The process is just drying it up with the sun like it happens in nature at times and pressing the paste into tablet form. I think an algae belongs in a plant based topic, not those stinky fart causing eggs.

It works as far as weight loss goes, but it does require some heavy supplementation as there ARE key nutrients you aren't getting if you limit yourself exclusively to plant based foods. The biggest of which is Vitamin B12, sourced only from animals. It is important for neurological function and deficiencies of it have been known to lead to dementia/alzheimers later on in life. We as human beings were not meant to be exclusively plant OR animal eaters but both. And people who are cutting entire food groups out of their diet should be prepared to fork over money for supplements.

Also, Forks Over Knives was proven to have been based on a flawed study that has since been thrown out/disregarded.

I've already mentioned on previous posts somewhere on a different thread that Spirulina contains vitamin B12. I get all my proteins, vitamins, minerals, electrolytes etc.. from nothing but fruits, vegetables, nuts, algae, grains, beans, legumes, roots and herbs. And as far as I know I have no deficiencies. I used to be brainwashed by doctors into believing that vegans are degicient in b12 and that avocado can make you fat blablabla. Yes I used to believe the same bs but I don't now and I feel better than ever. If you feel healthy eating eggs full of cholesterol well then that's great, more power to you. That junk doesn't work for me or my family and we feel great. Ok I'm done talking to a wall. Happy new years everyone.

It sounds like you have a great diet. But you should be aware that algae doesn't have all the b-12 human beings need. The only food source that I know of is nutritional yeast. If you haven't tried it, I highly recommend it. Its super yummy over hot veggies or made into a creamy sauce! There is a new mushroom being sold that has been bread to be b-12 dense but I haven't seen them in stores yet. I also take a b-12 vitamin from time to time because the first time I went vegan, I because b-12 deficient and got sick. I don't want to repeat that, so I'm careful. It can take years for a healthy person to deplete their b-12 stores, but once you do, trust me, you'll feel like doggy do.