the way people are trying to lose weight
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OP - this is what i was after today!
Peoples ideas of quick fixes really bug me, i makes me feel cheated that i am doing it the long and slow way.
I am learning what to put in my mouth and how to move about and how to play.
Others get to go nothing but push go on the microwave and are expecting me to congratulate there loss.
Once they reach goal the go back to square one.. they know nothing about how their body works, what to eat and how to be healthy.
One girl i work with has had a big loss using one of these programs and i snubbed it. She knows nothing about cooking , hates the gym and is all a bit clueless.
It feels like a smack in the face sometimes.
It does. Or things like "You've been working out and stuff right? For the NY? How much have you lost so far?" "Six pounds [which I am really happy about because I'm about to hit what will probably be a plateau point for a little while]" "...oh." "..oh?" "I thought it would be more. I couldn't count calories like that."
Damnit! Even if a "quick fix" does "work" in that you lose weight, what have you learned? You don't know about portion control, you don't get that intuition about whether or not you should eat something or how much of it you should have. Binging (for me) really destroyed that and now I'm having to work to gain back what some people still have naturally.
I'm just happy to be developing a sustainable work-out system. Plus. Counting calories. Yeah, sometimes it sucks that I want that second helping or a brownie or something when I'm at my limit at night, but it's not like I'll be restricting calories forever. When I hit the weight that I should be at, I'll be eating at my BMR. Which at that weight (with anticipated exercises) is 800 more than I eat now. So that's something I look forward to haha.
But I'd rather 6 months of work than a month of suffering through something that will wreak havoc on my body and won't give me the tools I need to still have it off in 12 months or more.
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I have been on the journey to lose weight. But i decided to do it the right way. count calories and exercise. And people seem to find it hard to believe this is all im doing. And yes im going to brag that its all about getting off your butt and moving! But its crazy the things im reading and seeing on tv. Juice diets? Eat special K and lose weight in 2 weeks! Take this supplement but yet its not evaluated by the FDA. Do this workout. Buy this membership or this piece of exercise equipment. And another that gets me is these food programs. How does that teach you how to live? It may work for some people. But do you want to be 60 and still converting your meals into points? Why is it that some people cant face reality that weight loss takes work, And why is it so hard to believe that you don't have to diet so to say. That you cant learn to eat normal everyday foods in a healthier way. And its so funny going through the weigh tloss sections of stores and seeing these drinks and bars that pack more calories then if you were to prepare the meals to begin with. it took time to learn habits and its going to take time to fix them. okkk. venting over!
Meh, people have to do what works for them and most people are going to fail no matter what they try. If counting calories and exercising was all it took, I wouldn't be here today. I've been using this "lifestyle" for almost 15 years to lose weight and gain it back and lose it and gain more and lose it and gain...and on and on. In the years I've been counting calories, I've seen people lose weight by counting calories and exercising and are maintaining, I've seen people who've done low carb and are maintaining, I've seen people who started with OTC weight loss pills and are maintaining, and I've seen even more people do weight watchers and maintain their losses.
Why do we feel the need to put down the people who choose to lose in a way different from us? In the end, pretty much any diet will work, it's what the person does/is willing to do to maintain that matters. Each person has to find what works for them and figure out the path to weight loss on their own. Making comments about how people who do it differently from us are just going to gain it all back sounds petty and jealous. Most people on here "doing it the right way" are going to gain their weight back at least once, if not 10 times before it sticks. As for being 60 and converting meals to points--how do you plan to maintain your loss? Do you want to be 60 and still counting your calories? If you want to maintain, then you probably will have to be doing something like that.
ETA: I actually think Weight Watchers is probably a better program for many people who have no clue about nutrition. MFP does nothing to teach us about nutrition and how much fruits and veggies we should eat or how much lean protein, etc. Weight Watchers at least promotes eating X servings of fruits and veggies, eating X servings of dairy, X servings of healthy oils and choosing whole grains and lean proteins when possible. How mahy people on MFP have posted that they are struggling and then when their diaries are brought to light it's obvious they have no clue about eating healthily? Just because you can eat at a calorie deficit doesn't mean you know how to be healthy.0 -
Good on you.
The funny part is after you lose the weight people will still refuse to believe you did it that way.
"So what did you do? What's your secret?"
"Diet and exercise. Counted my calories and started working out."
"Yeah yeah, but really, what was it? What pills did you take? Did you cleanse? I bet you cleansed. And no way I could lose weight, I'd hate to give up bread. I've been watching Dr. Oz and ordered a bunch of stuff, so I should be in a bikini come summer!"
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Pretty much!
While I wouldn't say folks wanting the quick fix "get on my nerves," I do kind of pity them because I feel like I have this amazing truth that I'm so open about and willing to share, and they just aren't interested. They will stick to replacing their meals with Slim Fast and doing nothing but cardio that is clearly NOT working for them. I adamantly disagree with the opinion that we shouldn't worry about what others are doing and just do our own thing. If you care about someone, how is that being a good friend? I want my friend to be successful. I want him/her to be healthy. I want him/her to figure out something that they will be able to maintain for the rest of their lives. While I'm not going to shove my opinion down their throat, I absolutely will not support their quick-fix choices.0 -
I have been on the journey to lose weight. But i decided to do it the right way. count calories and exercise. And people seem to find it hard to believe this is all im doing. And yes im going to brag that its all about getting off your butt and moving! But its crazy the things im reading and seeing on tv. Juice diets? Eat special K and lose weight in 2 weeks! Take this supplement but yet its not evaluated by the FDA. Do this workout. Buy this membership or this piece of exercise equipment. And another that gets me is these food programs. How does that teach you how to live? It may work for some people. But do you want to be 60 and still converting your meals into points? Why is it that some people cant face reality that weight loss takes work, And why is it so hard to believe that you don't have to diet so to say. That you cant learn to eat normal everyday foods in a healthier way. And its so funny going through the weigh tloss sections of stores and seeing these drinks and bars that pack more calories then if you were to prepare the meals to begin with. it took time to learn habits and its going to take time to fix them. okkk. venting over!
This is exactly what I try to teach people all the time. Weight loss doesn't happen overnight, it doesn't come from a pill and it sure as hell takes work. All I ever hear is one excuse after another. I don't have time, I can't afford to eat healthy or clean, I don't like to cook....the list goes on and on. If you're not willing to throw those excuses out the window and put in some effort, it will never work. Calories in, calories out...FACT!!!!!
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OP, I hear ya. The part that makes me mad, is that people are being douped. Its in the media, quick fixes are all around us. Sure, it may work for a short amount of time, then you have to go back to it, and keep plugging money into it. Even Ms. Jillian Micheals, someone who knows you needs to get off your *kitten* and work to earn it, is selling diet pills and other crap to make money. I think we have all hoped that some magic pill would be our cure all, but have come to learn that if you don't change your ways, you'll end up back where you started. For some it takes time to learn this, I can admit I am one of them. I still struggle with this everyday. It took me 28 years to get like this, and I need to re-teach myself to live a healthy life. It won't be easy, I just know it will be worth it. Thanks OP, this has been a great read!0
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I always tell people I lost weight from Stress, Men and Tequila...for some reason people accept that answer better than Exercise and Watching What I Eat.
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I just have to use that line.
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OP - this is what i was after today!
Peoples ideas of quick fixes really bug me, i makes me feel cheated that i am doing it the long and slow way.
I am learning what to put in my mouth and how to move about and how to play.
Others get to go nothing but push go on the microwave and are expecting me to congratulate there loss.
Once they reach goal the go back to square one.. they know nothing about how their body works, what to eat and how to be healthy.
One girl i work with has had a big loss using one of these programs and i snubbed it. She knows nothing about cooking , hates the gym and is all a bit clueless.
It feels like a smack in the face sometimes.
So how is your way working for you? Have you been successful in losing weight and keeping it off long term? If so, then be happy in your success. If not, then perhaps you need to try a different way for yourself.
No need to be dissing others in how they lose weight. It comes across as jealousy and bitterness, and isn't pretty.0 -
I get really frustrated because now every time I see someone I have not seen in a while, they obviously notice my weight loss, and they ask me how I did it. They all seem disappointed when I tell them it was through healthy eating and exercise. They are obviously wanting it to be some kind of magic pill or powder that does not take any effort. Like they want to lose weight or be healthy, but it is just not worth working at. I feel like if I can do it, anyone can, and it makes me sad that they don't try because it seems to hard. But I also know that I used to be that same person, and I had to get to a different place where I was willing to make changes, so maybe they will too, in their own time!0
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Too many people looking for a quick fix. And maybe when you're younger you can get away with some of these but eventually it will catch up with you. Everyday when I look at my body now instead of just ignoring what I don't like I tell myself that I didn't get into this shape over night and I'm not going to lose it overnight. So what if I stumble a little bit every now and then. The main thing is I want to feel better and I have the determination to do something about it. Good luck to all of you over 45ers that have finally decided to do something for yourselves. Remember Rome wasn't built in a day!0
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I get really frustrated because now every time I see someone I have not seen in a while, they obviously notice my weight loss, and they ask me how I did it. They all seem disappointed when I tell them it was through healthy eating and exercise. They are obviously wanting it to be some kind of magic pill or powder that does not take any effort. Like they want to lose weight or be healthy, but it is just not worth working at. I feel like if I can do it, anyone can, and it makes me sad that they don't try because it seems to hard. But I also know that I used to be that same person, and I had to get to a different place where I was willing to make changes, so maybe they will too, in their own time!
I think this sums it up. It saddens us that people who ask seem disappointed because we didn't give them the magic secret they were hoping for, as if it's just too hard. But, like you said, we all have to get to that place. Not everybody's ready, so it's important not to be judgmental while still sticking to your guns and being there for them when they are ready to do it "the hard way."0 -
ETA: I actually think Weight Watchers is probably a better program for many people who have no clue about nutrition. MFP does nothing to teach us about nutrition and how much fruits and veggies we should eat or how much lean protein, etc. Weight Watchers at least promotes eating X servings of fruits and veggies, eating X servings of dairy, X servings of healthy oils and choosing whole grains and lean proteins when possible. How mahy people on MFP have posted that they are struggling and then when their diaries are brought to light it's obvious they have no clue about eating healthily? Just because you can eat at a calorie deficit doesn't mean you know how to be healthy.
I agree. A person can eat 1500 calories a day of McDonald's vs a guy who eats 1500 calories a day of healthy stuff. Doesn't make 1st guy as healhty as the 2nd. Calorie deficits aren't the only factor is Fat/Weight loss. There's another lack of information part, weight loss doesn't necessarily mean FAT Loss. It's not "common sense" to everyone. Like I said earlier, I grew up eating very unhealthily because I didn't know any better. My paren'ts today still think their overweight bodies are fine. Some people are ignorant...NOT STUPID...but ignorant in the sense that they just don't know. So, when people decide to use plans like Weight Watchers or South Beach, it is better than nothing and we shouldn't judge.0 -
We all have different bodies and I do not see the value in judging or putting one another down for our methods. Counting calories and exercise is what I choose at this time but that does not mean that what another chooses is not right or that it cannot work.
The internet is a very convenient way to throw out passive aggressive comments and not have to be held accountable for them. Perhaps we should just try to support one another and be proud of our accomplishments rather than looking down our noses.
All she's trying to say is quick fixes are just that... QUICK fixes. They QUICKLY go away, too. You are eventually going to want more than a chocolate covered protein bar for breakfast or some frozen lean cuisine meal for lunch. Most of the stuff out there is no good long term, and it keeps people yo-yoing all of their lives. These companies that make these weight loss pills and special "weight loss" foods aren't looking to help you make a change in your life, they are helping you set up to fail and come back to them later. They want your MONEY, not your health.
The internet is also a very convenient way to act like a snob with minimal backlash. They made a point and you're mad, I understand. But no one is looking down on you, they are just saying what your doing is most likely not going to work. It's not a lifestyle change, it's a fad diet or pill you can't live on.
Don't be so sensitive.0 -
Everyone knows how to lose weight and be healthy. It's a not new phenomenon that people are completely oblivious to. It's the damaging mentality and influence of the media that deceive people into believing they can reach their goals without hard work.
I agree with this.0 -
Ya I see my roomie doing extreme dieting all the time. Her parents are really on her about losing weight because she won't get a boyfreind otherwise. I'm not lying, they truely believe that to get a guy you have to be thin. So her mom pushes her to do these diets. Eating just protein and yogurt or this HDC diet (I think it's called that) where you take these drops throughout the day to supress your appetite and you eat just 500 calories. The 'drop' diet made her lose 20lbs but one poutine later and she gained back 3lbs in a day and then packed on all the 20lbs and more. I see her lunches she brings to work and their small and really not enough for a grown adult to eat. I'm never suprised when I see her at night eating a whole bag of chips to herself. She goes through phases all the time and always complains about her weight but never really puts a lot of effort into being healthy. She knows the reality that to lose weight you have to eat healthy and work out, it's not rocky science but maybe her fantasy world is more comforting.
I hope that she'll eventually make a good change and stop buying into the fads. But she needs to find her own path. Maybe I can be her inspiration0 -
I completely agree with the op. I tried all the "quick fixes" although they don't really fix anything. I ended up in the hospital after my body got tired of me abusing it. I started eating healthy and exercising and actually learned how to properly fuel my body and now I am successful. Sometimes it takes people longer to accept there is no "magic bulletK for weightloss. It takes patience, hard work and a lifestyle change.
I have gotten to the point I don't even like answering people when they ask how I did it. Most seem to be disappointed when they find out they actually have to put work in.
Example: My husband has an aunt who is morbidly obsese. She fits the requirements for WLS however she has not been able to prove that she can stay on any kind of weight management plan therefore her insurance will not pay for the surgery. When I was losing she asked me how I was being so successfull. I simple said I eat healthy and exercise. She immediately lost interest and stated that she was hoping I was going to say something different. Really? She doesn't want to have to do anything. She wants an easy solution and untill she wakes up there is no use in trying to help her. Even potion control would do a lot for her but again she would have to do something and make an effort. Some people may never get it, and some will I guess.0 -
Okay, I have lost and gained 15lbs over the past year. Currently attempting to do this again due to none of my work pants fitting. anyway, I have a pretty hard time waking up in the morning to run. an energy type supplement helps get me up and going. Using purely for the wakeup call has helped me get on a routine. I have had touble with making sure to have things handy to eat every couple of hours. I work a lot and Running in the morning at 5AM and going boxing in the evenings, i dont have a ton of time to get things ready for snacks/healthy meals. I am making it work as much as i can. Dont put people down for the way they lose weight. Some want a quick fix to get on track and maintain. Sometimes you just need a cupcake0
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I don't think it's necessarily a "quick fix", some folks just like the structure of prepared diets. Replacing you morning cinnamon roll & mocha with Special K and a black coffee will help reduce their caloric intake without any weighing, measuring, thinking.
Personally, I loved having a protein green monster for breakfast every morning because I wasn't thinking about it. Eating the same thing (whether 2 eggs for brekkie & a salad for lunch or a Slim-fast shake for brekkie and lunch) makes weightloss very easy and can be sustainable.
Stop being a weightloss elitest!0 -
Agreed. People are always desperately disappointed when they ask me how I have lost weight and I reply 'eating less and moving more'. They want me to tell them about some 'magic' weightloss idea!
This exactly, it takes hard work but people dont want to work hard, but I am a little confused by the diet fads that require you eat 500 calories a day, why are people willing to do that but not willing to eat 1200 and exercise?0 -
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Totally agree, however yesterday i experienced the nasty side of this site with people making unkind comments about people having hypnosis to HELP THEM EAT LESS CALORIES. You do it through sheer willpower. I cant, does that make my way of eating less calories wrong? No!
I wish they would realize that all hypnosis does is help you get in touch with and harness your own willpower. That's it. It's not magic or woo-woo.*
*I actually do hypnotherapy with smoking cessation, pre-surgery jitters for children, and needle-phobia (our peds patients have to get a lot of needlesticks -- the ones I've worked with don't scream or cry anymore).0 -
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I find it really ironic that Sharon Osbourne is a spokesperson for the Atkins Diet....when she admittedly had lap band surgery (and then had it removed). What message does THAT send!?!
With weight loss surgery, due to the emphasis on high protein and less space in the tummy, by default, you become a low carber. So I'm not surprised she would be working with Atkins. She was used to low carbing due to the surgery, whether she had it removed or not. The low carbing is one of the biggest things that would have assisted her with the weight loss with lapband and she may have maintained that way of life even after having it removed. I'm glad she got it removed though. Those lapbands have caused horrible injuries and health issues for people.0 -
For some reason, I always think of Oprah when I see or hear these kind of things! You know, she is one of the richest people in the world, yet she is over weight and is open about her constant struggle with weight loss. Here this woman has all the money in the world and could buy any type of weight loss gimmick, any type of diet special item....and yet....
I think it just gets back to the old and true stand by: clean eating and hard exercise!!!!!0 -
Is there a single one of us that has not done some type of exercise program, diet program, pill, or fad diet? I say do what works for you. I know people that have lost a lot of weight using the points system. Also know one that lost on the pre-packaged mail order meals. Some people just do not have the willpower to count calories and exercise without the motivation of a program. After all isn't this site a "program"? If you could do it on your own with no support and no help or ideas you wouldn't be fat or out of shape and wouldn't be here. So instead of knocking people for trying "fad" diets or whatever, how about praising them for seeing that they need to change and are willing to try. Eventually they will find out it takes work. Best of luck to everyone.0
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There's an old Zen saying: "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
Those who are looking for a quick fix or magic secret aren't ready yet to hear the teaching you have to do. They may NEVER be ready. I've spent a lot of years not dieting or trying to lose weight. I knew what I needed to do (pretty much what we are all doing here) but didn't have the motivation.
People who go for the pills, the cleanses, the quick fixes, are (I think, anyway) trying to avoid knowing that weight loss and being healthy isn't quick or easy and is going to take a little effort on their part. They don't want to expend that time or effort.0
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