Does the weight loss count if they had surgery?

If you lose it with raspberry ketones, does that count?

I am hearing a lot about raspberry Ketones, what exactly is that?

*bangs head on keyboard*

So a fat person gets shamed for being fat, and then he or she gets shamed for having weight loss surgery and losing the weight?

That is a large cup of WTF.

Right. My mother had lap band. In order to get the surgery she had to wait a year....lose weight..and show she was serious about a weight loss change. She lost over 50 pounds before the surgery and has lost a lot more after. She works full time but works her butt off at the gym a few times a week and has totally changed the way she eats. Her weight lost inspired me to get my **** together as well as my dad. Her weight loss counts 100% because she just didn't get surgery, she changed her life form the better. I even believe that if the band magically vanished she would continue on strong.

I've never understood why people think that surgery doesn't count. You still have to make lifestyle changes (i.e. diet and exercise) to lose, and maintain, weight loss regardless to the type of surgery you have. Surgery doesn't automatically make you lose weight. Your stomach size is restricted so you eat less, and with some surgeries you can lose a great deal upfront. However, you can still eat/drink the wrong foods, take in too many calories, and end up gaining weight instead. Happens a lot.

It's not a quick fix by any stretch of the imagination, and no one that has had the surgery will ever agree that it is something that doesn't take effort. In order to qualify for the surgery you have to have tried other medically supervised weight loss programs, and have certain co-morbidities--it's not something you just do because you don't want to exercise or eat vegetables. You have to be committed to changing your diet, your lifestyle, going to groups, and taking medications if necessary. Not easy...

On another note...why did your friend have the band taken out to conceive? You can have children with the band. One of the benefits of having the band is that you can remove the fluid during the pregnancy, and add it again afterwards to keep your weight loss on track. Not to mention you can have children with other surgeries as well. They just want you to wait for a certain period of time (not that everyone does and they have perfectly healthy children). Just wondering.

I am aware of ketosis and something tells me that it would be wise to stay away from RK ...and Dr. OZ

Raspberry ketones have nothing to do with ketosis.

Look at Tripmom's before and after pics and tell me that "doesn't count." whatever.

Flattery will get you everywhere LOL

The only time weight loss doesn't count is when it's...found again

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"Count" as what? If they lost the weight, then they lost the weight. I don't understand the question.

maybe it's not so much the "loss" that matters, but getting there any maintaining...bc I really think THAT is the hardest part. I've gotten myself less fluffy and into better shape a few times before, for long stretches of time, but then I fall off the wagon, get fluffy again, and have to start all over! But if you start a goal and complete it with good intentions, yeah it should all count.

First of all, of course it counts as an achievement. The surgery helps but they still have to work hard to lose the weight and maintain.

Secondly, I don't understand what your dread of the personal training session and the trainer's termination pertains to this scenario. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

And lastly, how would you like it if people judged your 50 lb weightloss and discounted it for some reason? And why is WLS a reason to discredit someone's weightloss but there is no mention of other tools that aid success, like diet pills and fads. If you only think good old-fashioned nutrition and exercise count, then there are plenty of other weightloss methods that could be examined besides surgery.

A lot of people think WLS is taking the easy way out. Talk to people who have had it and you'll see it's anything but the easy way out.

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My mom had it about 7 years ago. And to be honest (as I was a naive high schooler), I hated her for it. I told her she was cheating, taking the easier way out, and that I would tell anyone who congratulated her that yeah it was easy to lose a bunch of weight in six weeks by sitting on your butt because of surgery. My mom worked out when she was cleared to, and she's kept the weight off.
I watched a lot of bad things though. Her pain after surgery, her blockage, which almost killed her and required more surgery. It's not magic, and it's not an "easy" fix, as I once thought. It's still painful, hard work.
I won't opt for surgery, because I don't fit all the qualifications, and I want to give myself a chance to prove that I can lose weight, as most people think I can't; but I respect anyone who's had the surgery.

Yes they still lost weight. It was much much much easier for them, but honestly I'd rather put in the hard work than get surgery. I'm terrified of surgery so they have more guts than i do lol!

I disagree that its "much much much" easier. At least not with lap band, I don't know anyone who had any other type of weight loss surgery. I can say this proudly, my mother works out way harder than I do. Hell, her trainer has her doing things like lifting those big heavy tractor tires.

I think that you need to learn motivation to lose weight, and anyone and everyone CAN. They just need to be educated on how to do so.

Yeah, cause I was just too stupid to do the math, now I get it, so glad to finally know the reason I couldn't lose the weight before surgery.

It's good that you understand that now. The first step to overcoming a problem is to admit that you have a problem

I write this as I just at lunch....3 ounces of sea bass and 2 spears of asparagus. Lunch is a little late today because I did an extra long workout at the gym today.

As a former 300 pounder for most of my life who thought that WLS was a cop out - "i can do this on my own!", I can honestly say that WLS has saved my life. It is though nothing more than a tool. I made the choice to go to the gym. I made the choice on what to eat for lunch. I may not be able to eat much but I still could have made unhealthy choices.

WLS is a gift that is helping me to finally succeed in the lifestyle changes that are necessary to lose weight and get healthy.

Of course it does. It's not like they go in to a day spa and come out 300lbs lighter.