Why girls shouldn't lift weights like men - disgusting hey?
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The OP touted her physique as "this is what lifting does to a woman's body." But it's not. It's what lifting *and* plastic surgery do. Body building decreases body fat and most women see a reduction in breast size. The supposed "success" this woman had included having surgical implants. Just like Lance Armstrong, it wasn't just natural ability enhanced through training and dedication. It was also the steroids and the blood transfusions. Again, something he put into his body that he did not naturally have. That's why his "successes" were nullified.
And before anyone asks, the reason I keep commenting is because I find it hypocritical that bodybuilders are always claiming that lifting enhances the female figure when, in reality, there is a loss of womanly curves (which this OP very clearly illustrates).
well said.
The implants came first before she lost the weight. May I ask, what curves did she lose?
A lot of people believe good curves is with a little fat on the bones, honestly people fail to realize that with proper squats and stuff you can have a great *kitten*!!! I have a few friends who have had boob jobs, some women just never have any boobs at all and honestly as a woman you can't wear certain tops with out something up there. Which is why I'm perfectly content with where my boobs are and hope to God these last 10 lbs aren't in my bra.0 -
Gorgeous!0
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The OP touted her physique as "this is what lifting does to a woman's body." But it's not. It's what lifting *and* plastic surgery do. Body building decreases body fat and most women see a reduction in breast size. The supposed "success" this woman had included having surgical implants. Just like Lance Armstrong, it wasn't just natural ability enhanced through training and dedication. It was also the steroids and the blood transfusions. Again, something he put into his body that he did not naturally have. That's why his "successes" were nullified.
And before anyone asks, the reason I keep commenting is because I find it hypocritical that bodybuilders are always claiming that lifting enhances the female figure when, in reality, there is a loss of womanly curves (which this OP very clearly illustrates).
well said.
The implants came first before she lost the weight. May I ask, what curves did she lose?
It depends on what you define as "curves." To me, she does look less feminine than someone with a higher body fat percentage, though I wouldn't go so far as to say she looks like a man. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose, it's all a matter of what is ideal to the individual.0 -
We eat like we do due to blood glucose and insulin levels. This is controlled by our diets.
That and millions years worth of evolution telling us to choose food with the highest calorific reward for the least calories expended.
A calorie surplus is something that has only become available in the first world in the latter half of the 20th century - this is why we have to replace nature limiting our available nutrients and work it out for ourselves.0 -
She looks stunning!! I love it!!!0
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Looks great ON HER, but definitely not the look I'm going for at all.
ETA: There's nothing wrong with not wanting this look for yourself. That doesn't mean the people who feel that way are rude or out to offend the OP or the woman in the picture. It just means that that's not a look we want for ourselves. If you post something on the internet, you're inviting commentary and opinion, and not all the opinions will be positive. I'm not obligated to praise this picture or what it represents just because it's been posted here.
correct. you are not obligated to post praise for her look if it is something you don't aspire to. you are also not obligated to post something negative about how she looks either. If you don't like this look, if you don't want it for yourself, or if you don't get it then just back out of the thread and post somewhere else that you do like. I never understand why people post things like, "In my honest opinion, I wouldn't want to look that way." fine...then close the thread and go do something else.
no obligation to post positively but also no obligation, or need, to post negatively. internet or not. it is just common every day decency people.
Again, it's the internet. If you post a picture of someone's body and say this is what women should aspire to, people have a right to post their opinion about that. I didn't insult the OP, I simply said that's not a look that I aspire to, and whether you agree with that or not, i DO have a right to say it.0 -
Eating should not make you feel like your problems are less difficult. I doubt you would ever feel that way in a different environment and with different foods available to you. Did you choose to desire to eat when you had plenty of body fat available? I doubt it. We naturally eat when we are hungry, and trust that the system is working correctly to maintain the correct level of body fat. Unfortunately, our environment really throws a wrench in the gears of that system, causing us to be hungry when we should not be.
We eat like we do due to blood glucose and insulin levels. This is controlled by our diets.
When I bulk like I am right now, I eat 6000+ a day and am hungry, because of the large amounts of carbs I eat causing my blood glucose levels to rise and then fall. Even when I physically cannot eat anything due to space.
When I diet I increase my proteins and lower my carbs to create a deficit, I'm usually less hungry at this point.
Hunger is very much controlled by our eating habits.
Appetite is very much controlled by our eating habits. I understand what you're saying and don't disagree. I'm doing lyle's RFL right now in fact with no appetite at all.
I will see if I can find a link to this study for you, it was done in the 70s when they put a group of obese adults in a closed environment and the only food they could consume was an odorless tasteless colorless liquid, similar macros to milk. They lost body fat at a tremendous rate and reported no hunger at all; this while consuming something like 400-500kcal/day of the liquid. This points to the idea that the type of food has a large impact on appetite and the satisfaction we get from consuming it.0 -
Looks great ON HER, but definitely not the look I'm going for at all.
ETA: There's nothing wrong with not wanting this look for yourself. That doesn't mean the people who feel that way are rude or out to offend the OP or the woman in the picture. It just means that that's not a look we want for ourselves. If you post something on the internet, you're inviting commentary and opinion, and not all the opinions will be positive. I'm not obligated to praise this picture or what it represents just because it's been posted here.
correct. you are not obligated to post praise for her look if it is something you don't aspire to. you are also not obligated to post something negative about how she looks either. If you don't like this look, if you don't want it for yourself, or if you don't get it then just back out of the thread and post somewhere else that you do like. I never understand why people post things like, "In my honest opinion, I wouldn't want to look that way." fine...then close the thread and go do something else.
no obligation to post positively but also no obligation, or need, to post negatively. internet or not. it is just common every day decency people.
Couldn't agree more!! Did some of you guy's mothers never tell you "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing"?0 -
This look was gained with a sharp diet, lifting heavy weights like me (she squats 60kg for 30 reps x 3 sets, 77.5k for 12 reps!) and ZERO cardio.
Just something to think about
i wouldn't want to look like that
Why not? She looks great?
Those boobs are definitely not real!0 -
Looks great ON HER, but definitely not the look I'm going for at all.
ETA: There's nothing wrong with not wanting this look for yourself. That doesn't mean the people who feel that way are rude or out to offend the OP or the woman in the picture. It just means that that's not a look we want for ourselves. If you post something on the internet, you're inviting commentary and opinion, and not all the opinions will be positive. I'm not obligated to praise this picture or what it represents just because it's been posted here.
correct. you are not obligated to post praise for her look if it is something you don't aspire to. you are also not obligated to post something negative about how she looks either. If you don't like this look, if you don't want it for yourself, or if you don't get it then just back out of the thread and post somewhere else that you do like. I never understand why people post things like, "In my honest opinion, I wouldn't want to look that way." fine...then close the thread and go do something else.
no obligation to post positively but also no obligation, or need, to post negatively. internet or not. it is just common every day decency people.
Again, it's the internet. If you post a picture of someone's body and say this is what women should aspire to, people have a right to post their opinion about that. I didn't insult the OP, I simply said that's not a look that I aspire to, and whether you agree with that or not, i DO have a right to say it.
Where exactly in the OP does it say that her look is what women should aspire to??!!!0 -
We eat like we do due to blood glucose and insulin levels. This is controlled by our diets.
That and millions years worth of evolution telling us to choose food with the highest calorific reward for the least calories expended.
A calorie surplus is something that has only become available in the first world in the latter half of the 20th century - this is why we have to replace nature limiting our available nutrients and work it out for ourselves.
Yes, carbs. Carbs take about 6-8% of their energy to convert from their original state to energy, protein 25-30% of their energy per gram. Fats around 2-3%. So the sources that once were hard to get (carbs and fat) now are combined together in easy to buy packages hence our current problems.0 -
Looks great ON HER, but definitely not the look I'm going for at all.
ETA: There's nothing wrong with not wanting this look for yourself. That doesn't mean the people who feel that way are rude or out to offend the OP or the woman in the picture. It just means that that's not a look we want for ourselves. If you post something on the internet, you're inviting commentary and opinion, and not all the opinions will be positive. I'm not obligated to praise this picture or what it represents just because it's been posted here.
correct. you are not obligated to post praise for her look if it is something you don't aspire to. you are also not obligated to post something negative about how she looks either. If you don't like this look, if you don't want it for yourself, or if you don't get it then just back out of the thread and post somewhere else that you do like. I never understand why people post things like, "In my honest opinion, I wouldn't want to look that way." fine...then close the thread and go do something else.
no obligation to post positively but also no obligation, or need, to post negatively. internet or not. it is just common every day decency people.
Couldn't agree more!! Did some of you guy's mothers never tell you "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing"?
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Very unrealistic to expect that on a forum. Also I didn't say anything mean, I'm not the only one here who said this body type isn't something I'm going for in my fitness goals. I don't see how that's offensive.0 -
I'm not joking, I'm on the train commuting home right now and was tempted to ditch the gym (have y gym bag with me) but after this post, I realised I'll never even remotely look as 1% as awesome as your fiancé if I ditch
thanks for the inspiration all! 0 -
Looks great ON HER, but definitely not the look I'm going for at all.
ETA: There's nothing wrong with not wanting this look for yourself. That doesn't mean the people who feel that way are rude or out to offend the OP or the woman in the picture. It just means that that's not a look we want for ourselves. If you post something on the internet, you're inviting commentary and opinion, and not all the opinions will be positive. I'm not obligated to praise this picture or what it represents just because it's been posted here.
correct. you are not obligated to post praise for her look if it is something you don't aspire to. you are also not obligated to post something negative about how she looks either. If you don't like this look, if you don't want it for yourself, or if you don't get it then just back out of the thread and post somewhere else that you do like. I never understand why people post things like, "In my honest opinion, I wouldn't want to look that way." fine...then close the thread and go do something else.
no obligation to post positively but also no obligation, or need, to post negatively. internet or not. it is just common every day decency people.
Again, it's the internet. If you post a picture of someone's body and say this is what women should aspire to, people have a right to post their opinion about that. I didn't insult the OP, I simply said that's not a look that I aspire to, and whether you agree with that or not, i DO have a right to say it.
Where exactly in the OP does it say that her look is what women should aspire to??!!!
It doesn't - that is the sad part.0 -
We eat like we do due to blood glucose and insulin levels. This is controlled by our diets.
That and millions years worth of evolution telling us to choose food with the highest calorific reward for the least calories expended.
A calorie surplus is something that has only become available in the first world in the latter half of the 20th century - this is why we have to replace nature limiting our available nutrients and work it out for ourselves.
Take a look at some of these articles. This tribe has an abundance of food but they do not count calories, nor have the means to do so. None of their population suffers from obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/search/label/Kitava0 -
Looks great ON HER, but definitely not the look I'm going for at all.
ETA: There's nothing wrong with not wanting this look for yourself. That doesn't mean the people who feel that way are rude or out to offend the OP or the woman in the picture. It just means that that's not a look we want for ourselves. If you post something on the internet, you're inviting commentary and opinion, and not all the opinions will be positive. I'm not obligated to praise this picture or what it represents just because it's been posted here.
correct. you are not obligated to post praise for her look if it is something you don't aspire to. you are also not obligated to post something negative about how she looks either. If you don't like this look, if you don't want it for yourself, or if you don't get it then just back out of the thread and post somewhere else that you do like. I never understand why people post things like, "In my honest opinion, I wouldn't want to look that way." fine...then close the thread and go do something else.
no obligation to post positively but also no obligation, or need, to post negatively. internet or not. it is just common every day decency people.
Again, it's the internet. If you post a picture of someone's body and say this is what women should aspire to, people have a right to post their opinion about that. I didn't insult the OP, I simply said that's not a look that I aspire to, and whether you agree with that or not, i DO have a right to say it.
So much for a place for "support". But if someone posted something of the like about progress pictures of someone still working towards a goal, people would jump down their throat for fat shaming and God knows what else. The point is, it works both ways. Have your opinions, and maybe be a decent human being and leave the obvious insults to yourself.
By the way...OP never said women should aspire to be like his fiance...he was merely pointing out that lifting heavy does not produce an overly muscley (new word?lol) woman...cuz many people scare away from lifting...how you want it to benefit you is your decision...but lifting in general has so many benefits. And you'll be happy you did when you get older and your body isn't crapping out on you.0 -
It depends on what you define as "curves." To me, she does look less feminine than someone with a higher body fat percentage, though I wouldn't go so far as to say she looks like a man. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose, it's all a matter of what is ideal to the individual.
Considering she has a very straight waist and felt the desire for implants, I suspect that this person even with a higher body fat percentage wouldn't be classified as curvy. Not everyone gains a shapely rear and large breasts at higher weight.
For example, I think only the cartoon on the right is curvy although both represent a slightly overweight individual:
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I find her to look too masculine. I don't personally think she looks amazing but she is definately in great shape. Just not what I would want to aspire to. I also don't believe in plastic surgery unless there is a medical need. I would rather see a healthy natural woman not one that has been surgically created.0
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she looks good, but really what kind of idiot still thinks that women who lift weights will get bulky? this thread is telling most of us something we already should know.
There was a post from someone yesterday who said that women who lift weights are unfeminine and unattractive. Made me laugh. I wonder if that is why he posted this!
I think this woman looks beautiful and amazing. It's a refreshing change from some of the posts I see from women on here that have huge Rambo-esque muscles and are piping up on threads like this saying that they are proof that women cannot get too bulky, when actually they are the opposite.
THANK YOU for posting this pic, she is something to aspire too and I don't think she looks masuline at all, she is beautiful and healthy.0 -
I find her to look too masculine. I don't personally think she looks amazing but she is definately in great shape. Just not what I would want to aspire to. I also don't believe in plastic surgery unless there is a medical need. I would rather see a healthy natural woman not one that has been surgically created.
She has fake boobs. That's the only surgically created feature on her. The rest was gained through dedication, sweat and tears.
I gotta walk away from this thread...the body hating on others is just too much.0 -
i wouldn't want to look like that
Not for me either.0 -
honestly, lets just DROP IT. everyone has their own opinion, no one cares anymore0
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We eat like we do due to blood glucose and insulin levels. This is controlled by our diets.
That and millions years worth of evolution telling us to choose food with the highest calorific reward for the least calories expended.
A calorie surplus is something that has only become available in the first world in the latter half of the 20th century - this is why we have to replace nature limiting our available nutrients and work it out for ourselves.
Take a look at some of these articles. This tribe has an abundance of food but they do not count calories, nor have the means to do so. None of their population suffers from obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/search/label/Kitava
Doesn't say what the mortality rate is, they may die for the most part before they exhibit signs of these diseases. As far as I can see, the foods that they have an abundance of are all lean protiens, nuts and fruits. Pork is eaten rarely. It would make it hard to overeat even if they wanted to.
I suspect they are mostly active a lot of the time and as such burn a lot of calories. Doesn't say what daylength is at certain times of year - I know sometimes in winter I have to work my *kitten* off to get all the jobs done before it goes dark...0 -
I love this post!!! i think she looks great!!! I dont feel like she looks too masculine at all! she looks healthy, not starved like most women aspire to look like.. jusss sayin :P0
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Natashaa1991 - each to their own. I don't understand why you have to come and post this on the thread which is promoting healthy living and lifting, however?
Does no cardio = "heatlhy living". The cardiovascular system is arguably as important as what you see in the mirror.
Read the rest of the thread please. Don't just come on to argue - thanks.
Oh, I didn't realize a question was arguing. My apology.0 -
PLEASE find a picture of a man that you think she resembles. Because what I am seeing is large breasts (regardless of origin), shapely feminine legs, and a toned stomach. Her shoulders and hips are well proportioned and both are larger than her waist, a classical female trait.I find her to look too masculine. I don't personally think she looks amazing but she is definately in great shape. Just not what I would want to aspire to. I also don't believe in plastic surgery unless there is a medical need. I would rather see a healthy natural woman not one that has been surgically created.
A man at a similar body fat percent looks like this man on the left:
Notice the larger pec muscles and broader shoulders. The hips are also narrower than the waist. He also has a penis and an adams apple.
Besides exposed abs (which all humans have under various degrees of fat), I see no similarities.0 -
We eat like we do due to blood glucose and insulin levels. This is controlled by our diets.
That and millions years worth of evolution telling us to choose food with the highest calorific reward for the least calories expended.
A calorie surplus is something that has only become available in the first world in the latter half of the 20th century - this is why we have to replace nature limiting our available nutrients and work it out for ourselves.
Take a look at some of these articles. This tribe has an abundance of food but they do not count calories, nor have the means to do so. None of their population suffers from obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc. http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/search/label/Kitava
Doesn't say what the mortality rate is, they may die for the most part before they exhibit signs of these diseases. As far as I can see, the foods that they have an abundance of are all lean protiens, nuts and fruits. Pork is eaten rarely. It would make it hard to overeat even if they wanted to.
I suspect they are mostly active a lot of the time and as such burn a lot of calories. Doesn't say what daylength is at certain times of year - I know sometimes in winter I have to work my *kitten* off to get all the jobs done before it goes dark...
Here you go! It's very interesting stuff:Kitavans are moderately active. They have an activity level comparable to a moderately active Swede, the population to which Dr. Lindeberg draws frequent comparisons.
They have abundant food, and shortage is uncommon.
Their good health is probably not related to genetics, since genetically similar groups in the same region are exquisitely sensitive to the ravages of industrial food. Furthermore, the only Kitavan who moved away from the island to live a modern life is also the only fat Kitavan.
Their life expectancy at birth is estimated at 45 years (includes infant mortality), and life expectancy at age 50 is an additional 25 years. This is remarkable for a culture with limited access to modern medicine.
Over 75% of Kitavans smoke cigarettes, although in small amounts. Even the most isolated societies have their modern vices.0 -
Natashaa1991 - each to their own. I don't understand why you have to come and post this on the thread which is promoting healthy living and lifting, however?
Does no cardio = "heatlhy living". The cardiovascular system is arguably as important as what you see in the mirror.
Read the rest of the thread please. Don't just come on to argue - thanks.
Oh, I didn't realize a question was arguing. My apology.
I say this because I have already answer that 0 -
I have work to do now.
I guess my whole point has been that she looks fab and has clearly worked hard to get where she is. So what if she'd had a boob job beforehand?
Nowhere did the op say that this is what women should look like, just that lifting doesn't make women look bulky - and she doesn't.
He is (rightly) proud of his mussus.
There are so many other 'look at how well I have done' threads on MFP and none of them seem to attract negative, snidey comments, and yet it seems that people think it is okay to do that on this thread. If I were the OP, I would see that as proof of how well she has done.
I think if men had posted some of the negative comments that some women have on this thread, they would have been rightly accused of mysogyny.
I find it kind of depressing.0 -
The OP touted her physique as "this is what lifting does to a woman's body." But it's not. It's what lifting *and* plastic surgery do. Body building decreases body fat and most women see a reduction in breast size. The supposed "success" this woman had included having surgical implants. Just like Lance Armstrong, it wasn't just natural ability enhanced through training and dedication. It was also the steroids and the blood transfusions. Again, something he put into his body that he did not naturally have. That's why his "successes" were nullified.
And before anyone asks, the reason I keep commenting is because I find it hypocritical that bodybuilders are always claiming that lifting enhances the female figure when, in reality, there is a loss of womanly curves (which this OP very clearly illustrates).
well said.
The implants came first before she lost the weight. May I ask, what curves did she lose?
you know what, all i said when i came in here was that she had implants, to which people jumped all over me, so i needed to explain myself. i'm not a fan of implants that look so obviously fake. she didn't "lose" curves, but someone with that low body fat percent will not have natural breasts like that. it looks very fake to me.0
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