RANT: Careless Weightloss Goals!
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"Query: How does one know they are taking in less than they are putting out without calculating calories and TDEE/BMR? "
It's really easy: you lose weight.
Oh, and you are not starving all of the time if you are eating lots of vegetables, protein, fruit and other such healthy whole foods.
Just because you have been eating so low that you don't get hungry anymore, doesn't mean that you aren't starving your body.0 -
"Query: How does one know they are taking in less than they are putting out without calculating calories and TDEE/BMR? "
It's really easy: you lose weight.
Oh, and you are not starving all of the time if you are eating lots of vegetables, protein, fruit and other such healthy whole foods.
What happens if I feel like a cheeseburger?0 -
"Query: How does one know they are taking in less than they are putting out without calculating calories and TDEE/BMR? "
It's really easy: you lose weight.
Oh, and you are not starving all of the time if you are eating lots of vegetables, protein, fruit and other such healthy whole foods.
So, if I eat all the veggies I can find as well as fruit and chicken breasts until I am no longer hungry, I will lose weight? Why didn't I think of that?
So, a further query, Why are you using a calorie counting website if you do not believe in the counting of said calories?0 -
So you mean if I do 2 hours of cardio a day, eat 1000 calories, and aim for 4 lb weight loss a week, even when I only have 20lbs to lose, I am doing it wrong??? Then after 2 weeks of no results, I will post on the forum complaining about not losing weight..
Or even better, I will lose all my weight, and complain that I still have a stomach that doesn't look ripped and toned, and can't see my abs even though I did a ton of cardio and ate 1200 calories a day.. I am at my goal weight but I have flap everywhere...
Seriously people.. calculate your numbers and be patient and work hard, you will get there.
I think what some other posters are saying is that it's not everyone's goal to look ripped and toned. Some of us just want to be able to take a 10-mile hike without risking a heart attack. Maybe once we can do that, strength training will start to feel like something we can add in. But for me, right now, I need to learn about how to eat right, and get some exercise in, because previously I was not exercising at all, and eating everything in sight. It's been quite challenging enough to change my life to that point.
Being judged because I haven't lifted a weight yet seems as short-sighted as anything. But I am still glad to hear from you all who are devoted to it, because at least now it's on my radar, where before I wouldn't have considered body fat or lean muscle mass, and certainly not things involving lifting weights or going to a gym.0 -
I'm going to take a few minutes and rant a little. It's that time of year again where people are looking to better themselves and set goals for weight loss. I've seen the posts all over the place with challenges folks have set for themselves or competitions with others. While all these are great, the focus doesn't need to be just on weight. If you are doing these types of things and the only marker for success is what the scale reads, you're doing it wrong! If you are eating below BMR on daily basis, you're doing it wrong! If you don't know what BMR means, you're doing it wrong! If you don't know what your BMR or TDEE is, you're doing it wrong! If you haven't taken measurements, you're doing it wrong! If you haven't calculated your body fat percentage, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!!!
This is what people tend to miss when trying to lose weight. If you are eating a very low calorie diet, you will lose weight, not only from fat, but from lean body mass, as well. The scale doesn't tell you which one the weight loss is coming from. This is why gauging your success by body fat percentage is a better way to go.
Calculate your BMR! Calculate your TDEE! Take 20% from TDEE and eat at that level! Lift weights and eat sufficient protein. Recommended at least .8 grams/lb of body weight. This will help preserve LBM. If you like cardio better, fine, but still find time to get in a couple strength training sessions per week.
Lastly, don't be in such a hurry to hit some goal. You want this transformation to last. Take is slow and learn how to eat, what workouts you enjoy and what eating pattern fits your schedule.
Word! Say it loud and say it proud! I agree w/ you
I've been trying to convince some peeps they are just not eating enough and I try and lead them to the calculator's for BMR and TDEE.
Well said my man
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While I agree with the OP's post :flowerforyou: , others may not...And my thought is : who am I to judge them? If asked for help/info, I will point them in the right direction.0
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well Im SICK of folks saying you MUST count BMR & TDEE ( the newest & latest macros for self-imposed gurus to insist everyone follow or else fail)
Im sick of people like the OP overcomplicating weightloss... eat a well balanced diet, take in less than you put out & exercise that includes stregnth training...you will lose weight and/or inches... SIMPLE... to hell with TDEE, BMR, counting points, calories, etc... I dont need to know or to count my body fat percentages...
if keeping a ledger and making a grad school project out of your daily meals works for you, so be it, but dont act like its the ONLY way for folks to shed pounds....
Takes about 5 minutes a month to calculate TDEE. Google it. Simple. Pouring food item into Container A with measurement, then into container B for consuming. Simple. Go to gym, estimate calorie burn (not as simple, but hey, that's what TDEE is for). BF%, don't care all that much because I'm not competing for anything other than "hey, how are you?" from my morning look in the mirror.
It isn't complicated. It can be personally difficult, but it isn't complicated.0 -
Do all of this, if you are this guy. If you are your own person, do what works for you.
I regularly eat below my BMR but always over 1200. I exercise fairly regularly, mostly cardio and have never done any strength training in my life. I've lost 28lbs over the last 7 - 8 months and am still losing slow and steady. Another 10-12lbs and I'll be very happy but I'm pretty comfortable with my exercise and food plan so don't see the need to make any huge changes once I hit that 'goal'.
This is about changing my life and being happy with it not about making weight loss and fitness the be all and end all.
I'm really pleased that your plan works for you and you are absolutely right that understanding how your body works and what your stats are is a huge help. Just don't assume its the only way!!!
I think you will find that this will work for just about everyone barring any type of medical condition.
You seem to miss the part of LBM.
I'm not saying that this won't work. I have absolutely no doubt that this would work. I'm just saying its not the only thing a person can do.
If your LBM is massively important to you then great, but different people want different things.
some people want to be super healthy or build muscle mass or look after their heart or dump weight really quick to get into their wedding dress. I wanna look good in a size 10, be able to run down to the shops without gasping for breath and not pile my weight back on cos I just did a fad diet.
If a persons goal is to have a BMI of 18 or look ripped then my plan is not gonna work for them but my plan (which does not fall in line with your expectations) is working really well for me and I don't think you should be coming on and whitewashing anything that is not the way YOU do it as being 'WRONG'!! This is supposed to be about motivation here!!0 -
Lastly, don't be in such a hurry to hit some goal. You want this transformation to last. Take is slow and learn how to eat, what workouts you enjoy and what eating pattern fits your schedule.
People don't realize that getting the body you want can take years.
This! It took me about 2.5 years to look the way I do today. It is not magic, just consistency, flexibility and work.0 -
Crap. I think I'm doing it wrong. What's TDEE/BMR?0
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Love a good argument in the morning. I think what the OP is trying to say..... is get educated about health, your body, and dieting. Its simple Science.... just educate yourself on calories, MBR, TDEE, dieting, good fat/bad fat. Then tailor it to match what your body works well with. Weight loss is simple but needs adjustments to your body. Like a chemistry experiment. But educate yourself before you get sick, gain more weight, or harm yourself.0
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Skinny Fat-
To look slim, even with revealing clothes, but when touched, the touching hand sinks into fat before reaching muscle. Older people will 'show' "Skinny fat" visually, but young people have firm skin that hides it until they're touched.
A person who is not overweight and have skinny look but still have a high fat percentage and low muscular mass. Usually those people have a low caloric diet, that's why they are skinny, but are not involved in any sports activities or trainings and that's why they don’t have any muscle. Since between the bone and the skin those people only have fat, the skin can be deformed easily because the skin layer is located on an unstable matter (fat).
Skinny fat woman look sexy from a certain distance but they have soft jelly skin and still have some cellulite even if they are in there early 20s.
Sorry, I'll take "skinny anything" over being fat.
i felt that way too at first. After learning about it and seeing ppl who lost a lot and are skinny they are flabby and are still not happy with their bodies. The point of losing weight for me is to be happy with my body0 -
I'm going to take a few minutes and rant a little. It's that time of year again where people are looking to better themselves and set goals for weight loss. I've seen the posts all over the place with challenges folks have set for themselves or competitions with others. While all these are great, the focus doesn't need to be just on weight. If you are doing these types of things and the only marker for success is what the scale reads, you're doing it wrong! If you are eating below BMR on daily basis, you're doing it wrong! If you don't know what BMR means, you're doing it wrong! If you don't know what your BMR or TDEE is, you're doing it wrong! If you haven't taken measurements, you're doing it wrong! If you haven't calculated your body fat percentage, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!!!
Posts like this just make newbies (like me) feel further deflated, like we've no clue what we're doing and people like you are somehow better than us or above us.
You're doing it wrong, you're doing it wrong...yeah well, we're trying and joining a site like this is a big step. We're learning. We'll get there. We can't know all the 'right' things to do automatically, if we came here with all the knowledge we probably wouldn't be overweight in the first place. I understand you want to offer advice to others but posts like this are just annoying.
I hadn't even heard of things like TDEE before I joined this site and I'm slowly working it all out, whilst trying to make some major changes in my life which isn't easy. I'm asking others on here for advice when it's needed.
I'm very sorry that us newbies are p*ssing you off because we're not as awesome as you are just yet but please just give us some time and the ones who are truely motivated and in it for the long haul will learn all the 'proper' things to do with time, we don't need your patronising posts screaming how crap we all are.
Please don't misconstrue tough love with being p*ssed off. I was where you were a year ago, but the sooner that I got the gist of this, the sooner the weight started falling off in a healthy and sustainable manner.0 -
"Query: How does one know they are taking in less than they are putting out without calculating calories and TDEE/BMR? "
It's really easy: you lose weight.
Oh, and you are not starving all of the time if you are eating lots of vegetables, protein, fruit and other such healthy whole foods.
Just because you have been eating so low that you don't get hungry anymore, doesn't mean that you aren't starving your body.
I'm not defending low calorie diets so please don't assume that.
I'm saying it isn't impossible to lose weight while not knowing your BMR/TDEE.
Guess what? Lots and lots of people lose weight using MFP without ever even visiting these message boards and learning all this extra information.0 -
well Im SICK of folks saying you MUST count BMR & TDEE ( the newest & latest macros for self-imposed gurus to insist everyone follow or else fail)
Im sick of people like the OP overcomplicating weightloss... eat a well balanced diet, take in less than you put out & exercise that includes stregnth training...you will lose weight and/or inches... SIMPLE... to hell with TDEE, BMR, counting points, calories, etc... I dont need to know or to count my body fat percentages...
if keeping a ledger and making a grad school project out of your daily meals works for you, so be it, but dont act like its the ONLY way for folks to shed pounds....
Yea-its REALLY not that difficult :happy:
http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/ - check it out0 -
I'm going to take a few minutes and rant a little. It's that time of year again where people are looking to better themselves and set goals for weight loss. I've seen the posts all over the place with challenges folks have set for themselves or competitions with others. While all these are great, the focus doesn't need to be just on weight. If you are doing these types of things and the only marker for success is what the scale reads, you're doing it wrong! If you are eating below BMR on daily basis, you're doing it wrong! If you don't know what BMR means, you're doing it wrong! If you don't know what your BMR or TDEE is, you're doing it wrong! If you haven't taken measurements, you're doing it wrong! If you haven't calculated your body fat percentage, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!!!
Posts like this just make newbies (like me) feel further deflated, like we've no clue what we're doing and people like you are somehow better than us or above us.
You're doing it wrong, you're doing it wrong...yeah well, we're trying and joining a site like this is a big step. We're learning. We'll get there. We can't know all the 'right' things to do automatically, if we came here with all the knowledge we probably wouldn't be overweight in the first place. I understand you want to offer advice to others but posts like this are just annoying.
I hadn't even heard of things like TDEE before I joined this site and I'm slowly working it all out, whilst trying to make some major changes in my life which isn't easy. I'm asking others on here for advice when it's needed.
I'm very sorry that us newbies are p*ssing you off because we're not as awesome as you are just yet but please just give us some time and the ones who are truely motivated and in it for the long haul will learn all the 'proper' things to do with time, we don't need your patronising posts screaming how crap we all are.
Point taken, but this wasn't me beating my chest proclaiming greatness.
However, people are too sensitive these days, anyway. If someone doesn't know something and they are told they are doing it wrong, that doesn't mean they are being talked down to. Take what you want from it and make a change or don't. That part is up to you.0 -
Lastly, don't be in such a hurry to hit some goal. You want this transformation to last. Take is slow and learn how to eat, what workouts you enjoy and what eating pattern fits your schedule.
People don't realize that getting the body you want can take years.
But it's so worth it......you know for the journey. Srs.0 -
I'm going to take a few minutes and rant a little. It's that time of year again where people are looking to better themselves and set goals for weight loss. I've seen the posts all over the place with challenges folks have set for themselves or competitions with others. While all these are great, the focus doesn't need to be just on weight. If you are doing these types of things and the only marker for success is what the scale reads, you're doing it wrong! If you are eating below BMR on daily basis, you're doing it wrong! If you don't know what BMR means, you're doing it wrong! If you don't know what your BMR or TDEE is, you're doing it wrong! If you haven't taken measurements, you're doing it wrong! If you haven't calculated your body fat percentage, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!!!
Posts like this just make newbies (like me) feel further deflated, like we've no clue what we're doing and people like you are somehow better than us or above us.
You're doing it wrong, you're doing it wrong...yeah well, we're trying and joining a site like this is a big step. We're learning. We'll get there. We can't know all the 'right' things to do automatically, if we came here with all the knowledge we probably wouldn't be overweight in the first place. I understand you want to offer advice to others but posts like this are just annoying.
I hadn't even heard of things like TDEE before I joined this site and I'm slowly working it all out, whilst trying to make some major changes in my life which isn't easy. I'm asking others on here for advice when it's needed.
I'm very sorry that us newbies are p*ssing you off because we're not as awesome as you are just yet but please just give us some time and the ones who are truely motivated and in it for the long haul will learn all the 'proper' things to do with time, we don't need your patronising posts screaming how crap we all are.
I think the frustration from the OP lies with people like the two that have posted in this thread who are determined to not listen to any of the advice posted, eat at crazy low deficits, and then they'll reappear in the forums in a few months asking why they aren't losing weight anymore or why they started gaining, etc.
I agree that some people could use more tact when trying to help the newbies though. Good for you for trying to figure out the right way to lose and learning about what you can! 0 -
Lastly, don't be in such a hurry to hit some goal. You want this transformation to last. Take is slow and learn how to eat, what workouts you enjoy and what eating pattern fits your schedule.
People don't realize that getting the body you want can take years.
No way dude...90 days and I'll look just like I've been doing this for years...it says so right on the packaging. Well, that and some Raspberry ketones and a couple shots of cider vinegar daily and I should be beach ready in 90 days I'm pretty sure
Obviously just messin'...nice post OP!0 -
Love a good argument in the morning. I think what the OP is trying to say..... is get educated about health, your body, and dieting. Its simple Science.... just educate yourself on calories, MBR, TDEE, dieting, good fat/bad fat. Then tailor it to match what your body works well with. Weight loss is simple but needs adjustments to your body. Like a chemistry experiment. But educate yourself before you get sick, gain more weight, or harm yourself.
Yes! Educate yourself before picking -2 pounds/week. I knew nothing when I joined this site as well and have learned so much. It's all very interesting to me though...0 -
but why be on a food logging website if you aren't going to count?
so thats ALL this site is for?? by golly wolly.... now ya tell me after Ive wasted years here & have lost nearly another human in pounds0 -
well Im SICK of folks saying you MUST count BMR & TDEE ( the newest & latest macros for self-imposed gurus to insist everyone follow or else fail)
Im sick of people like the OP overcomplicating weightloss... eat a well balanced diet, take in less than you put out & exercise that includes stregnth training...you will lose weight and/or inches... SIMPLE... to hell with TDEE, BMR, counting points, calories, etc... I dont need to know or to count my body fat percentages...
if keeping a ledger and making a grad school project out of your daily meals works for you, so be it, but dont act like its the ONLY way for folks to shed pounds....
Query: How does one know they are taking in less than they are putting out without calculating calories and TDEE/BMR?
I was going to point this out, but you got to it first.
Also, how do you know if maybe you're eating too little? I'd be a b!tch if I were hangry all the time.
And BMR and TDEE are in no way complicated...nor are they macros.0 -
But... but... I ordered my wedding dress a size too small even though they measured me for the correct size because there ain't no WAY I'm a size 10 and I just KNOW I can lose 15 pounds in the next five weeks because Jillian Michaels and Dr. Oz told me to just drink this detox tea and eat all these supplements and do 1000 crunches every night and YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO.0
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"Query: How does one know they are taking in less than they are putting out without calculating calories and TDEE/BMR? "
It's really easy: you lose weight.
Oh, and you are not starving all of the time if you are eating lots of vegetables, protein, fruit and other such healthy whole foods.
Just because you have been eating so low that you don't get hungry anymore, doesn't mean that you aren't starving your body.
I'm not defending low calorie diets so please don't assume that.
I'm saying it isn't impossible to lose weight while not knowing your BMR/TDEE.
Guess what? Lots and lots of people lose weight using MFP without ever even visiting these message boards and learning all this extra information.
This is true. I was one of those people. And then I hit a plateau, started reading the forums, learned things about healthy weight loss, and started losing weight again.
You can only fly blind for so long before you're going to crash.0 -
Skinny Fat-
To look slim, even with revealing clothes, but when touched, the touching hand sinks into fat before reaching muscle. Older people will 'show' "Skinny fat" visually, but young people have firm skin that hides it until they're touched.
A person who is not overweight and have skinny look but still have a high fat percentage and low muscular mass. Usually those people have a low caloric diet, that's why they are skinny, but are not involved in any sports activities or trainings and that's why they don’t have any muscle. Since between the bone and the skin those people only have fat, the skin can be deformed easily because the skin layer is located on an unstable matter (fat).
Skinny fat woman look sexy from a certain distance but they have soft jelly skin and still have some cellulite even if they are in there early 20s.
Sorry, I'll take "skinny anything" over being fat.
i felt that way too at first. After learning about it and seeing ppl who lost a lot and are skinny they are flabby and are still not happy with their bodies. The point of losing weight for me is to be happy with my body
You're right. I'm still in the process of just getting slim. Maybe once I hit my goal, I'll want to change more.0 -
I'm saying it isn't impossible to lose weight while not knowing your BMR/TDEE.
Guess what? Lots and lots of people lose weight using MFP without ever even visiting these message boards and learning all this extra information.
ya don't say?? they dont log meals or eat back their exercise calories either.... gee whiz... they must be weirdos0 -
I love this post. This is my first day reading any of this forum, and after reading a couple of the posts, I got the same feeling. Take time to read others posts about what they are doing correctly, do some research on what it takes to have a good diet/workout program and you won't be on here saying what doesn't work or won't work. Each of us are different but the bottom line is, proper nutrition (Macros, calories etc) with proper exercise and workouts, over time (No magic pill or one week program) you will see the results you are wanting.0
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Yeah, I feel real stupid. I made a deal with a friend that if we got to 135 pounds on the scale we would go for a girls weekend retreat. We weigh the same right now, but both are very different. I have lost over 60 pounds and have built a lot of muscle. She on the other hand is a lot of flab and is probably at her max weight. She will probably drop, just watching what she eats. For one, she hasn't already lost any weight, two, she is not building any muscle, etc.... Plus she is like 3 inches short than me.
I am gonna work really hard to achieve this goal. Knowing everything I know, doing what I know works.
Stupid for me to put myself under that presure. I would much rather my body look good, than see a number on a scale.
But we will see who wins in the end, me with my fantastic hard body or her, doing hers her way.0 -
Crap. I think I'm doing it wrong. What's TDEE/BMR?
In case you weren't being sarcastic. Check this link for answers
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/654536-in-place-of-a-road-map-2-0-revised-7-2-12
If you were being sarcastic.....cool, I like sarcastic. Just ignore the link.0 -
But... but... I ordered my wedding dress a size too small even though they measured me for the correct size because there ain't no WAY I'm a size 10 and I just KNOW I can lose 15 pounds in the next five weeks because Jillian Michaels and Dr. Oz told me to just drink this detox tea and eat all these supplements and do 1000 crunches every night and YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO.
LMAO!!!!!!!!0
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