This may be a load of rubbish but worth posting
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blah blah blah if it helps even just ONE person it's worthwhile blah blah blah
To counter that:
Some people are afraid of going to the doctor, it makes them uneasy and they'd much rather opt for a 'natural' treatment as it's less intimidating/cheaper/easier/more likely to enable them to ignore the problem instead of facing facts. Messages to the tune of 'you may be able to fix your issue by simply doing this one thing at home and then you'll feel better' are extremely appealing because, as mentioned above, going to the doctor can be intimidating/expensive/a hassle/whatever.
So what do you do if that post hurts just ONE person because they convinced themselves they have an aspartame allergy and nix the diet soda instead of going to the doctor? It works both ways.
You don't have to trust organizations like the FDA, but they are an agency designed to protect the public. Unless you have damn good proof that they're wrong, it's far better for people to trust that agency over some random stranger on the internet.
Also, if you're sick, GO TO THE DOCTOR.
Joseph Heller said it best, "“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you”. It's a fact that everything is out to get us...all the time.0 -
BEFORE YOU READ.... PLEASE DONT SLAM ME AS I AM ONLY POSTING FOR INFORMATION, NOT SAYING ITS TRUE OR NOT, JUST SHARING IT FROM FACEBOOK AS I FOUND IT INTERESTING.
Snopes.com
FDA.gov
mayoclinic.com
Heck, even Wikipedia, which I don't normally recommend as a reference.
All places you can do a little research about this never ending scam. Unless you are a phenylketonuric, aspartame is safe.
Yes, aspartame probably could kill you or cause MS or lupus or some other awful, painful condition... if you ate TRUCKLOADS of it. Did you know that there is a compund (quercetin) in the skin of apples that may cause cancer? You have to eat the entire orchard all at once, of course, but still.
A diet coke per day isn't going to hurt you.
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Any artificial sweeteners give me a scratchy throat and headaches....and I think they taste awful anyway. I agree with those who have said everyone's bodies react to things differently, so do what works for you. Personally, I'd rather drink a regular soda than a diet, but I'm trying not to
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BEFORE YOU READ.... PLEASE DONT SLAM ME AS I AM ONLY POSTING FOR INFORMATION, NOT SAYING ITS TRUE OR NOT, JUST SHARING IT FROM FACEBOOK AS I FOUND IT INTERESTING.
Snopes.com
FDA.gov
mayoclinic.com
Heck, even Wikipedia, which I don't normally recommend as a reference.
All places you can do a little research about this never ending scam. Unless you are a phenylketonuric, aspartame is safe.
Yes, aspartame probably could kill you or cause MS or lupus or some other awful, painful condition... if you ate TRUCKLOADS of it. Did you know that there is a compund (quercetin) in the skin of apples that may cause cancer? You have to eat the entire orchard all at once, of course, but still.
A diet coke per day isn't going to hurt you.
* Edited for typo.
NO aspartame does not cause MS or lupus. These are autoimmune diseases. Please do not post about conditions you obviously have no knowledge of. These diseases have been around long before aspartame was ever created.0 -
Here's a theory for you:
Last Monday someone posted this crap. Now, this Monday someone posted this crap. Must mean Mondays cause people to post unsupported crap about aspertame on MFP forums. <<off to go write a 50-paragraph long e-mail forward about it so I can send it out to all my friends, family and acquaintances>>0 -
^^This^^I have MS, Fibro and RA and never drank diet sodas in my life. If someone is diagnosed with MS and then boom everything is gone after they quit drinking diet soda's then they never had MS in the first place. It is very hard to diagnose MS. There is no one test to confirm it. A negative spinal tap does not mean you do not have MS. It just means its not showing up yet in the spinal fluid. MRI"s are not all that accurate either and it depends on the ability and knowledge of the dr. who is reading those MRI's. I have seen this story going around the internet for the past 15 years ever since I was diagnosed. It's total BULL!
My mom has MS.. She got it from untreated lymes dieases she had for something like 30 years.. I was gonna go back to the doctor and demand they test for this. But i'm glad someone else think it's crap too.
Side note.. i dont' drink the artifcal crap cause it doesn't sit well in my tummy and I grew up drinking and eating mostly water and natural homegrown home cooked food (including fresh squeezed by grandma juice) So likely its just my body being spolied and not handling fake **** well.
I don't think the artifical stuff is good for you in the least, but this claim is a bit out there.. eh?
1,000 ways to die.. best show ever.. lolJoseph Heller said it best, "“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you”. It's a fact that everything is out to get us...all the time
Also this:
FINNO aspartame does not cause MS or lupus. These are autoimmune diseases0 -
BEFORE YOU READ.... PLEASE DONT SLAM ME AS I AM ONLY POSTING FOR INFORMATION, NOT SAYING ITS TRUE OR NOT, JUST SHARING IT FROM FACEBOOK AS I FOUND IT INTERESTING.
Sweet KILLER.
In October of 2001, my sister started getting very sick She had stomach spasms and she was having a hard time getting around. Walking was a major chore. It took everything she had just to get out of bed; she was in so much pain.
By March 2002, she had undergone several tissue and muscle biopsies and was on 24 various prescription medications. The doctors could not determine what was wrong with her. She was in so much pain, and so sick she just knew she was dying.
She put her house, bank accounts, life insurance, etc., in her oldest daughter's name, and made sure that her younger children were to be taken care of.
She also wanted her last hooray, so she planned a trip to Florida (basically in a wheelchair) for March 22nd.
On March 19, I called her to ask how her most recent tests went, and she said they didn't find anything on the test, but they believe she had MS.
I recalled an article a friend of mine e-mailed to me and I asked my sister if she drank diet soda? She told me that she did. As a matter of fact, she was getting ready to crack one open that moment.
I told her not to open it, and to stop drinking the diet soda! I e-mailed her an article my friend, a lawyer, had sent. My sister called me within 32 hours after our phone conversation and told me she had stopped drinking the diet soda AND she could walk! The muscle spasms went away. She said she didn't feel 100% but, she sure felt a lot better.
She told me she was going to her doctor with this article and would call me when she got home.
Well, she called me, and said her doctor was amazed! He is going to call all of his MS patients to find out if they consumed artificial sweeteners of any kind. In a nutshell, she was being poisoned by the Aspartame in the diet soda.. and literally dying a slow and miserable death
When she got to Florida March 22, all she had to take was one pill, and that was a pill for the Aspartame poisoning! She is well on her way to a complete recovery. And she is walking! No wheelchair! This article saved her life.If it says 'SUGAR FREE' on the label; DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on 'ASPARTAME,' marketed as'Nutra Sweet,' 'Equal,' and 'Spoonful.'In the keynote address by the EPA, it was announced that in the United States in 2001 there is an epidemic of multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus. It was difficult to determine exactly what toxin was causing this to be rampant. I stood up and said that I was there to lecture on exactly that subject.
I will explain why Aspartame is so dangerous: When the temperature of this sweetener exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in ASPARTAME converts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes metabolic acidosis. Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire ants. The methanol toxicity mimics, among other conditions, multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus.
Many people were being diagnosed in error. Although multiple sclerosis is not a death sentence, Methanol toxicity is!
Systemic lupus has become almost as rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially with Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers.The victim usually does not know that the Aspartame is the culprit. He or she continues its use; irritating the lupus to such a degree that it may become a life-threatening condition. We have seen patients with systemic lupus become asymptotic, once taken off diet sodas.
In cases of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, most of the symptoms disappear. We've seen many cases where vision loss returned and hearing loss improved markedly.
This also applies to cases of tinnitus and fibromyalgia. During a lecture, I said, 'If you are using ASPARTAME (Nutra Sweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting, pains, numbness in your legs,
Cramps,
Vertigo,
Dizziness,
Headaches,
Tinnitus,
Joint pain,
Unexplainable depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred vision, or memory loss you probably have ASPARTAME poisoning!' People were jumping up during the lecture saying,'I have some of these symptoms. Is it reversible?'
Yes!
Yes!
Yes!
STOP drinking diet sodas and be alert for Aspartame on food labels! Many products are fortified with it! This is a serious problem. Dr. Espart (one of my speakers) remarked that so many people seem to be symptomatic for MS and during his recent visit to a hospice; a nurse stated that six of her friends, who were heavy Diet Coke addicts, had all been diagnosed with MS. This is beyond coincidence!
Diet soda is NOT a diet product! It is a chemically altered, multiple SODIUM (salt) and ASPARTAME containing product that actually makes you crave carbohydrates.
It is far more likely to make you GAIN weight!
These products also contain formaldehyde, which stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs. Formaldehyde is an absolute toxin and is used primarily to preserve 'tissue specimens.'
Many products we use every day contain this chemical but we SHOULD NOT store it IN our body!
Dr. H. J. Roberts stated in his lectures that once free of the 'diet products' and with no significant increase in exercise; his patients lost an average of 19 pounds over a trial period.Aspartame is especially dangerous for diabetics. We found that some physicians, who believed that they had a patient with retinopathy, in fact, had symptoms caused by Aspartame. The Aspartame drives the blood sugar out of control. Thus diabetics may suffer acute memory loss due to the fact that aspartic acid and phenylalanine are NEUROTOXIC when taken without the other amino acids necessary for a good balance.
Treating diabetes is all about BALANCE.. Especially with diabetics, the Aspartame passes the blood/brain barrier and it then deteriorates the neurons of the brain; causing various levels of brain damage, Seizures, Depression, Manic depression, Panic attacks, Uncontrollable anger and rage.Consumption of Aspartame causes these same symptoms in non-diabetics as well. Documentation and observation also reveal that thousands of children diagnosed with ADD and ADHD have had complete turnarounds in their behavior when these chemicals have been removed from their diet.
So called 'behavior modification prescription drugs' (Ritalin and others) are no longer needed.Truth be told, they were never NEEDED in the first place!Most of these children were being 'poisoned' on a daily basis with the very foods that were 'better for them than sugar.'It is also suspected that the Aspartame in thousands of pallets of diet Coke and diet Pepsi consumed by men and women fighting in the Gulf War, may be partially to blame for the well-known Gulf War Syndrome.
Dr. Roberts warns that it can cause birth defects, i.e. mental retardation, if taken at the time of conception and during early pregnancy. Children are especially at risk for neurological disorders and should NEVER be given artificial sweeteners.
There are many different case histories to relate of children suffering grand mal seizures and other neurological disturbances talking about a plague of neurological diseases directly caused by the use of this deadly poison.'
Herein lies the problem: There were Congressional Hearings when Aspartame was included in 100 different products and strong objection was made concerning its use. Since this initial hearing, there have been two subsequent hearings, and still nothing has been done. The drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets.
Sadly, MONSANTO'S patent on Aspartame has EXPIRED! There are now over 5,000 products on the market that contain this deadly chemical and there will be thousands more introduced. Everybody wants a 'piece of the Aspartame pie.'I assure you that MONSANTO, the creator of Aspartame, knows how deadly it is.
And isn't it ironic that MONSANTO funds, among others, the American Diabetes Association, the American Dietetic Association and the Conference of the American College of Physicians?
This has been recently exposed in the New York Times. These [organizations] cannot criticize any additives or convey their link to MONSANTO because they take money from the food industry and are required to endorse their products.Senator Howard Metzenbaum wrote and presented a bill that would require label warnings on products containing Aspartame, especially regarding pregnant women, children and infants.
The bill would also institute independent studies on the known dangers and the problems existing in the general population regarding seizures, changes in brain chemistry, neurological changes and behavioural symptoms.
The bill was killed.It is known that the powerful drug and chemical lobbies are responsible for this, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting and uninformed public. Well, you're informed now!
This is not the first time I have seen this EXACT post on MFP.... Kind of makes me wonder why?0 -
What happened with your mom in regards to lyme disease is this... The lyme disease attacks your immune system, nervous system, muscles etc. Your mom probably always had the MS but the lyme disease just brought it out. It can lay dorment in your body for most of your life and something like being exposed to a virus or other disease can cause it to become active. Researchers for years thought that MS was caused by having had chicken pox. Well I've never had chicken pox and most people I know who have MS never had it either. Researchers studied all of this and came to the conclusion that no one virus or disease can cause MS but rather you have a genetic defect and exposure to viruses or diseases can activate the MS. So the lyme itself didn't cause the MS. The lyme activated what was already there.
^^This^^I have MS, Fibro and RA and never drank diet sodas in my life. If someone is diagnosed with MS and then boom everything is gone after they quit drinking diet soda's then they never had MS in the first place. It is very hard to diagnose MS. There is no one test to confirm it. A negative spinal tap does not mean you do not have MS. It just means its not showing up yet in the spinal fluid. MRI"s are not all that accurate either and it depends on the ability and knowledge of the dr. who is reading those MRI's. I have seen this story going around the internet for the past 15 years ever since I was diagnosed. It's total BULL!
My mom has MS.. She got it from untreated lymes dieases she had for something like 30 years.. I was gonna go back to the doctor and demand they test for this. But i'm glad someone else think it's crap too.
Side note.. i dont' drink the artifcal crap cause it doesn't sit well in my tummy and I grew up drinking and eating mostly water and natural homegrown home cooked food (including fresh squeezed by grandma juice) So likely its just my body being spolied and not handling fake **** well.
I don't think the artifical stuff is good for you in the least, but this claim is a bit out there.. eh?
1,000 ways to die.. best show ever.. lolJoseph Heller said it best, "“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you”. It's a fact that everything is out to get us...all the time
Also this:
FINNO aspartame does not cause MS or lupus. These are autoimmune diseases
Forgot to add: Many people are misdiagnosed with MS and actually have Lyme disease or lupus. It happens quite a lot. I have a friend who was treated for several years with the injections for MS only to find out she actually had lyme disease. After getting the proper Lyme disease treatment (heavy duty antibiotics) she is practically symptom free.0 -
Aspartame causes cancer the same way sugar causes diabetes. As in yeah if you are sucking it down almost exclusively you will definitely have problems.
sugar does NOT cause diabetes. ask any doctor. ask a dozen doctors.
having said that, if a person is genetically predisposed to having diabetes, then eating processed carbohydrates (like, but not limited to, sugar) can certainly hurry the process of developing diabetes along.
but sugar does not CAUSE diabetes.0 -
Indeed. The FDA labels a lot of things "safe". We are also allowed to eat a certain amount of roaches and what not. It is not entirely safe in that our body doesn't digest artificial products as well as it does natural and some can put a strain on our digestive tract, not to say this is or isn't one, but I prefer natural when I can as not to risk my health more than necessary.Safe? I suppose it depends on how you classify safe. Is there some evidence it "can" harm you, yes. Personally I like to stay away from artificial anything.0 -
For those of you who think your government knows best: www.foodpolitics.com. Get educated!
So true! Allowing the government to make our decisions for us is the biggest reason that our health is in such a sorry state. When government gets involved, it becomes political, then corrupted. (The FDA is but one example of this.)0 -
What happened with your mom in regards to lyme disease is this... The lyme disease attacks your immune system, nervous system, muscles etc. Your mom probably always had the MS but the lyme disease just brought it out. It can lay dorment in your body for most of your life and something like being exposed to a virus or other disease can cause it to become active. Researchers for years thought that MS was caused by having had chicken pox. Well I've never had chicken pox and most people I know who have MS never had it either. Researchers studied all of this and came to the conclusion that no one virus or disease can cause MS but rather you have a genetic defect and exposure to viruses or diseases can activate the MS. So the lyme itself didn't cause the MS. The lyme activated what was already there.
^^This^^I have MS, Fibro and RA and never drank diet sodas in my life. If someone is diagnosed with MS and then boom everything is gone after they quit drinking diet soda's then they never had MS in the first place. It is very hard to diagnose MS. There is no one test to confirm it. A negative spinal tap does not mean you do not have MS. It just means its not showing up yet in the spinal fluid. MRI"s are not all that accurate either and it depends on the ability and knowledge of the dr. who is reading those MRI's. I have seen this story going around the internet for the past 15 years ever since I was diagnosed. It's total BULL!
My mom has MS.. She got it from untreated lymes dieases she had for something like 30 years.. I was gonna go back to the doctor and demand they test for this. But i'm glad someone else think it's crap too.
Side note.. i dont' drink the artifcal crap cause it doesn't sit well in my tummy and I grew up drinking and eating mostly water and natural homegrown home cooked food (including fresh squeezed by grandma juice) So likely its just my body being spolied and not handling fake **** well.
I don't think the artifical stuff is good for you in the least, but this claim is a bit out there.. eh?
1,000 ways to die.. best show ever.. lolJoseph Heller said it best, "“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you”. It's a fact that everything is out to get us...all the time
Also this:
FINNO aspartame does not cause MS or lupus. These are autoimmune diseases
Forgot to add: Many people are misdiagnosed with MS and actually have Lyme disease or lupus. It happens quite a lot. I have a friend who was treated for several years with the injections for MS only to find out she actually had lyme disease. After getting the proper Lyme disease treatment (heavy duty antibiotics) she is practically symptom free.
Yes.. thanks.. I know more about lymes and MS than I care too. It was never dormant in her body it was always present and affecting her, since she was in her 30s, it just went unnoticed and undiagnosed because she had intermittend MS until the lymes really attacked her and brought it out as a more permanent thing when she got older. Explains a lot and we are actually thankful it happened, so we can be aware of it and treat it. (well.. no real treatment, but awareness is the biggest part of it) I shouldn't have said she *got* it in my statement above. It was just easier than explaining everything which i just did anyway. *sigh*0 -
Indeed. The FDA labels a lot of things "safe". We are also allowed to eat a certain amount of roaches and what not. It is not entirely safe in that our body doesn't digest artificial products as well as it does natural and some can put a strain on our digestive tract, not to say this is or isn't one, but I prefer natural when I can as not to risk my health more than necessary.Safe? I suppose it depends on how you classify safe. Is there some evidence it "can" harm you, yes. Personally I like to stay away from artificial anything.
I'm allergic to roaches.. confirmed by a doctor. So no roaches for me. LOLSo true! Allowing the government to make our decisions for us is the biggest reason that our health is in such a sorry state. When government gets involved, it becomes political, then corrupted. (The FDA is but one example of this.)
Monto who???
GMO is good for you.. right?? *baaaa*
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Wow thats an amazing post and advised, food plays a massive part in your health. If people want to live by the government so they can maximise they profit and get fatter wallets.0
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So true! Allowing the government to make our decisions for us is the biggest reason that our health is in such a sorry state. When government gets involved, it becomes political, then corrupted. (The FDA is but one example of this.)
Monto who???
GMO is good for you.. right?? *baaaa*
LOL
No doubt! Monsanto is the perfect example! :laugh:
Anyone who trusts the FDA has not bothered to examine the folks making decisions there. :smokin:0 -
Aspartame causes cancer the same way sugar causes diabetes. As in yeah if you are sucking it down almost exclusively you will definitely have problems.
sugar does NOT cause diabetes. ask any doctor. ask a dozen doctors.
having said that, if a person is genetically predisposed to having diabetes, then eating processed carbohydrates (like, but not limited to, sugar) can certainly hurry the process of developing diabetes along.
but sugar does not CAUSE diabetes.
Actually sugar cause insulin resistance that causes type 2 diabetes...so it does!0 -
Your slating this women for advising you not to consume artificial sweeteners that have been proven to destroy brain cells in unborn children? That triggers many auto immune disease flare ups? Shame on you. For somebody that claims to live by science based research .... Your not very educated in the matter!
No. You are incorrect. This is a well studied issue and the scientific community has arrived at a consensus.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/aspartame-truth-vs-fiction/
http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/faqs/faqaspartame.htm#3
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/MY00073
Also, concluding that something that may be bad for unborn children is bad for adults to consume suggests quite strongly that you do not understand how to correctly examine scientific evidence and draw conclusions from it. Sorry, but i am educated in that matter.
You state that I don't understand how to analysise a study and yet you supplied links that weren't even research papers. Try again!
LOL. You have just proven my point. Cherry picking research papers is NOT how to properly analyze scientific evidence. Experts in scientific areas conduct meta-analysis. This means they look at MANY studies on the topic, discuss them, examine the quality of the studies and panels of experts arrive at a consensus. In some cases, the evidence is in-conclusive, and they state this. In other cases, this meta-analysis points fairly strongly in one direction or another. Then , they will state their consensus view on the topic. That is what I provided in the links, which IS the proper way to analyze scientific evidence. They discuss the research in the meta-analysis and these are sites that represent panels of experts. The first link is a scientist who generally does a good job at providing this type of information on various topics. I sure wish they would teach scientific method and the proper way to examine evidence in schools these days. But, alas.
I really wonder why none of my many doctors (some are experts in autoimmune liver diseases) have never recommended that I avoid aspartame or any other artificial sweetener. I mean, if there was a scientific consensus that it could flare up autoimmune disease, and they know a flare up could kill me outright, you would think they might have mentioned it.
One day you'll open your eyes and realise that the government and all it's research and all the sponsored research by the very companies that want you to buy into their products that are making you sick and you'll realise that you've been lied to your whole life. You aren't the one doing the analysing! Your referring to websites that have done it for you and your buying into their bul****! I know plenty about anaylising research but I won't believe it when it's funded by the companies that survive on you believing them.0 -
Your doctors are also trained to treat you with drugs, thousands of $ poured into the drug industry by dishing out prescriptions. How do you think the medical industry survive? Do you know that the doctors get paid by the companies for prescribing their products? That they make money out of you being sick? Why do you think the government want to keep you sick....they make money! The economy would have a meltdown if they actually got people healthy.
Don't buy into it. Take them if you need them but don't be blind to the difference that food makes. I know what it's like living with auto immune but I also know that it can be controlled and be put into remission with dietary control.
What have you got to lose by trying?0 -
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this.
i'll also post this one more time :
pubmed is a compilation of most legitimate, peer-reviewed scientific studies. if you see a ridiculous claim on a blog somewhere, check for real research here :
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Your slating this women for advising you not to consume artificial sweeteners that have been proven to destroy brain cells in unborn children? That triggers many auto immune disease flare ups? Shame on you. For somebody that claims to live by science based research .... Your not very educated in the matter!
No. You are incorrect. This is a well studied issue and the scientific community has arrived at a consensus.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/aspartame-truth-vs-fiction/
http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/faqs/faqaspartame.htm#3
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/MY00073
Also, concluding that something that may be bad for unborn children is bad for adults to consume suggests quite strongly that you do not understand how to correctly examine scientific evidence and draw conclusions from it. Sorry, but i am educated in that matter.
You state that I don't understand how to analysise a study and yet you supplied links that weren't even research papers. Try again!
LOL. You have just proven my point. Cherry picking research papers is NOT how to properly analyze scientific evidence. Experts in scientific areas conduct meta-analysis. This means they look at MANY studies on the topic, discuss them, examine the quality of the studies and panels of experts arrive at a consensus. In some cases, the evidence is in-conclusive, and they state this. In other cases, this meta-analysis points fairly strongly in one direction or another. Then , they will state their consensus view on the topic. That is what I provided in the links, which IS the proper way to analyze scientific evidence. They discuss the research in the meta-analysis and these are sites that represent panels of experts. The first link is a scientist who generally does a good job at providing this type of information on various topics. I sure wish they would teach scientific method and the proper way to examine evidence in schools these days. But, alas.
I really wonder why none of my many doctors (some are experts in autoimmune liver diseases) have never recommended that I avoid aspartame or any other artificial sweetener. I mean, if there was a scientific consensus that it could flare up autoimmune disease, and they know a flare up could kill me outright, you would think they might have mentioned it.
One day you'll open your eyes and realise that the government and all it's research and all the sponsored research by the very companies that want you to buy into their products that are making you sick and you'll realise that you've been lied to your whole life. You aren't the one doing the analysing! Your referring to websites that have done it for you and your buying into their bul****! I know plenty about anaylising research but I won't believe it when it's funded by the companies that survive on you believing them.
Actually the research she posted wasn't government research. FTR0 -
Your doctors are also trained to treat you with drugs, thousands of $ poured into the drug industry by dishing out prescriptions. How do you think the medical industry survive? Do you know that the doctors get paid by the companies for prescribing their products? That they make money out of you being sick? Why do you think the government want to keep you sick....they make money! The economy would have a meltdown if they actually got people healthy.
Don't buy into it. Take them if you need them but don't be blind to the difference that food makes. I know what it's like living with auto immune but I also know that it can be controlled and be put into remission with dietary control.
What have you got to lose by trying?
Actually the economy is melting down because of the Federal Reserve and their inflationary tactics. Doctors in particular, but health care in general, is a mess and too expensive because of government regulations on health care, not because doctors don't care about their patients. If your doctor doesn't care if you are sick or well, then find a new one.0 -
Your slating this women for advising you not to consume artificial sweeteners that have been proven to destroy brain cells in unborn children? That triggers many auto immune disease flare ups? Shame on you. For somebody that claims to live by science based research .... Your not very educated in the matter!
No. You are incorrect. This is a well studied issue and the scientific community has arrived at a consensus.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/aspartame-truth-vs-fiction/
http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/faqs/faqaspartame.htm#3
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/MY00073
Also, concluding that something that may be bad for unborn children is bad for adults to consume suggests quite strongly that you do not understand how to correctly examine scientific evidence and draw conclusions from it. Sorry, but i am educated in that matter.
You state that I don't understand how to analysise a study and yet you supplied links that weren't even research papers. Try again!
LOL. You have just proven my point. Cherry picking research papers is NOT how to properly analyze scientific evidence. Experts in scientific areas conduct meta-analysis. This means they look at MANY studies on the topic, discuss them, examine the quality of the studies and panels of experts arrive at a consensus. In some cases, the evidence is in-conclusive, and they state this. In other cases, this meta-analysis points fairly strongly in one direction or another. Then , they will state their consensus view on the topic. That is what I provided in the links, which IS the proper way to analyze scientific evidence. They discuss the research in the meta-analysis and these are sites that represent panels of experts. The first link is a scientist who generally does a good job at providing this type of information on various topics. I sure wish they would teach scientific method and the proper way to examine evidence in schools these days. But, alas.
I really wonder why none of my many doctors (some are experts in autoimmune liver diseases) have never recommended that I avoid aspartame or any other artificial sweetener. I mean, if there was a scientific consensus that it could flare up autoimmune disease, and they know a flare up could kill me outright, you would think they might have mentioned it.
One day you'll open your eyes and realise that the government and all it's research and all the sponsored research by the very companies that want you to buy into their products that are making you sick and you'll realise that you've been lied to your whole life. You aren't the one doing the analysing! Your referring to websites that have done it for you and your buying into their bul****! I know plenty about anaylising research but I won't believe it when it's funded by the companies that survive on you believing them.
Actually the research she posted wasn't government research. FTR
*facepalm* bet you believe the government/FDA isn't influenced by coca cola and mars either lol.0 -
*facepalm* bet you believe the government/FDA isn't influenced by coca cola and mars either lol.
So if it doesn't align with your thoughts it's part of a big conspiracy to keep you sick and make the gov't/big business more money?0 -
*facepalm* bet you believe the government/FDA isn't influenced by coca cola and mars either lol.
So if it doesn't align with your thoughts it's part of a big conspiracy to keep you sick and make the gov't/big business more money?
After reading all her angst posts..I believe that's exactly what she thinks. :noway:0 -
I am in agreement with you.. The government want you to believe they are doing the right thing. But the only thing that happens is the governments wallet are getting fatter.. Your post are so true and knowledge and very brave to speak the true. Thank you for sharing0
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Thank you Iron_phoenix0
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Your slating this women for advising you not to consume artificial sweeteners that have been proven to destroy brain cells in unborn children? That triggers many auto immune disease flare ups? Shame on you. For somebody that claims to live by science based research .... Your not very educated in the matter!
No. You are incorrect. This is a well studied issue and the scientific community has arrived at a consensus.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/aspartame-truth-vs-fiction/
http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/faqs/faqaspartame.htm#3
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/MY00073
Also, concluding that something that may be bad for unborn children is bad for adults to consume suggests quite strongly that you do not understand how to correctly examine scientific evidence and draw conclusions from it. Sorry, but i am educated in that matter.
You state that I don't understand how to analysise a study and yet you supplied links that weren't even research papers. Try again!
LOL. You have just proven my point. Cherry picking research papers is NOT how to properly analyze scientific evidence. Experts in scientific areas conduct meta-analysis. This means they look at MANY studies on the topic, discuss them, examine the quality of the studies and panels of experts arrive at a consensus. In some cases, the evidence is in-conclusive, and they state this. In other cases, this meta-analysis points fairly strongly in one direction or another. Then , they will state their consensus view on the topic. That is what I provided in the links, which IS the proper way to analyze scientific evidence. They discuss the research in the meta-analysis and these are sites that represent panels of experts. The first link is a scientist who generally does a good job at providing this type of information on various topics. I sure wish they would teach scientific method and the proper way to examine evidence in schools these days. But, alas.
I really wonder why none of my many doctors (some are experts in autoimmune liver diseases) have never recommended that I avoid aspartame or any other artificial sweetener. I mean, if there was a scientific consensus that it could flare up autoimmune disease, and they know a flare up could kill me outright, you would think they might have mentioned it.
One day you'll open your eyes and realise that the government and all it's research and all the sponsored research by the very companies that want you to buy into their products that are making you sick and you'll realise that you've been lied to your whole life. You aren't the one doing the analysing! Your referring to websites that have done it for you and your buying into their bul****! I know plenty about anaylising research but I won't believe it when it's funded by the companies that survive on you believing them.
I am an actual real live scientific researcher and I know this is not how it works. Peers reviewing journal submissions are brutal and they would love nothing more than to find flaws in any study. That is a good thing and that is WHY the process works. Studies are not published in these journals just because they are funded by someone. If you are not an expert in a certain area, you SHOULD rely on the experts in that area to summarize and explain the meta-analysis to you. You will not be able to reliably do this yourself without the proper background. Thankfully, there are sources of information to relay scientific consensus, when it exists, to the general public. THAT is what I referred you to. Reliable sources of information on the topic. You really do not understand the research and publication process at all. This is tin foil hat territory now, so I will leave.0 -
Aspartame causes cancer the same way sugar causes diabetes. As in yeah if you are sucking it down almost exclusively you will definitely have problems.
I was just wondering how much freaking diet coke that chick had to drink to suffer aspertame poisoning....Seriously I think your teeth would decay before you got sick like that..0 -
I am in agreement with you.. The government want you to believe they are doing the right thing. But the only thing that happens is the governments wallet are getting fatter.. Your post are so true and knowledge and very brave to speak the true. Thank you for sharing
Its not only the government wallet that gets fatter.
The Big Pharma and Dr's wallets are swelling up as well.
I am thankful that I have a team of Dr's that know how to treat auto-immune diseases / disorders with proper nutrition and not just throwing a billion and one prescriptions at their patients.
Scripts are used as a last resort.
Hypocrites said it best so many years ago and I found Dr's that live up to that oath they took to become a Doctor.
Let thy food be thy medicine and let thy medicine be thy food.0 -
Oh, well, if you can copy and paste 20 paragraphs of made up facts and statistics, when clearly it must be true. :noway:
I suggest everyone crying about aspartame being poison check out the extremely well-cited article on aspartame at Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame
Here's the short version:
-Although formaldehyde and formic acid are created during the breakdown of aspartame, the formic acid is excreted faster than it is produced. Furthermore, you can get a higher concentration of these from many fruit juices than you can from aspartame beverages.
-The FDA concluded that the flaws in the original safety tests were so minor as to not affect the validity of the final results
-The GAO then examined claims that the FDA had a conflict of interest and found none
-The CDC has conducted its own research and found no connections between aspartame and various illnesses
-The EU issued continent-wide approval of aspartame in 1994, reviewing the safety studies and appropriate consumption level in 2002 and 2006, respectively
That may be true but have you ever noticed how the majority of people who drink/eat aspartame are overweight. You would think getting rid of all those calories would have a positive effect. So why is it most people i know who switch to diet soda never seem to lose a pound? It's all well and good to quote facts for one side or the other but practical application in the real world is what I look for.0
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