Eating Clean vs Paleo?
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Whenever I see somebody crabbing that something is too restrictive, I see somebody who hasn't the willpower to make a change somebody else is willing to make. that is all.
A lack of willpower requires a desire, but not the will, to adhere to something. So, are you suggesting the you believe everyone has the desire to follow a restrictive diet, but only some have the will, or are you simply taking a "holier than thou" approach to incite argument?
Whenever I see someone obsessed over what they shouldn't eat, I wonder what their religion is. It is highly unusual for someone to have exclusionary diets except that they believe that's what their god wants for them.0 -
I've researched it a bunch, and the best I can come up with is below, BUT I was wondering WHY people chose one or the other? I've heard negative backlash about Paleo being full of carbs and such. I've also heard negatives things about gluten and dairy, though, too. Also, most recipes I find that are from strong "paleo people" include honey/maple syrup, but the research I do says Paleo is WITHOUT that? Hmmm..Give me some feedback please!!
Eating Clean
■Eating food in it’s most natural state
■Nothing white (flour, sugar, rice, etc)
■Avoid all things processed and refined
■Lean protein and healthy fats (like those from nuts)
■Lots and lots of organic fruits and vegetables.
■Organic products
■No preservatives, no fast food, no alcohol
■No or limited dairy (depending on who you ask)
Paleo
■Lots of organic and grass fed lean meats
■Lots of organic veggies and fruits
■Lots of nuts and healthy fats
■Consuming food in it’s most natural state
■No sugar (unless from fruit or natural sweeteners such as honey or agave nectar), no legumes, no grains, no gluten
■No dairy
■No preservatives, no fast food, no alcohol
■Nothing white (flour, sugar, rice, etc)
■Avoid all things processed and refined
According to your lists, both sound absolutely terrible and over restrictive. Why not try eating foods you like, getting in adequate protein and fats, with a focus on mostly nutrient dense foods but also allowing yourself so called unclean foods in moderation?
This. Being super restrictive is just setting yourself up for failure longterm and not necessary to lose weight.0 -
You can eat very unhealthy either way, if you for instance eat a very few things from the many choices you have. You can also eat very healthy either way.
A lot of people scoff at fad diets, but one of the interesting things about fads is that it makes people think about what they eat, learn new recipes, and figure out what works for them. Paleo won't be good for everybody, but for me the existence of a couple of Paleo restaurants in the area is a wonderful gift, as it lets me get fast-food I can eat: vegetables, meat or fish, and nuts, no gluten, slow carbs. One of those restaurants is right next to a raw food restaurant, which I also love, as it's also gluten free. I use both, and I love it.
Other people have other sensitivities, whether they can't have milk, avocado, rice, nuts, what ever. With all the irritants and the stressful environment we live with, autoimmune diseases and allergies soar. The different food directions (Atkins, South Beach, Paleo, Raw Food, no milk, no gluten, etc etc, helps people like me figure out what works and what doesn't. Sometimes we are better at diagnosing our own issues than doctors are, although it helps to discuss with a health professional. Personally I thought I was overly sensitive to yeast, as I couldn't have bread. A doctor suggested gluten, and when I removed that I was suddenly much healthier, even if they still couldn't prove that I hace celiac disease! Working with professionals helps, particularly as it gives you new perspectives and helps you ask new questions.
Personally I like having a food "dogma". It helps me choose things I can tolerate, and it pushes me to increased creativity. When I invite guests, I love the challenge of making all of our preferences match: one regular challenge with my friends is vegetarian paleo with cheese but without processed sugars and with a few food allergies in the mix - it may be complex, but that makes cooking fun.
Also, I don't see what is wrong with people breaking their own dogma once in a while. I can eat gluten once or twice, but it's the accumulation that bothers me. As long as I go back to eating gluten free afterwards, I can have pizza or cake for a special occasion. This makes social eating much easier. In a couple of days I will be on a very official visit with work, and I am pretty sure the organisers will have forgotten to check with our secretary for allergies and intolerances. Since I won't have a very harsh reaction, I can have the sauce and perhaps even a slice of dessert without embarassing our hosts.
Eating is not just about health, it's about social conventions and peer pressure, emotions and desires. If something works, then it works, and I am not to judge.
So - try the different diets, and figure out what you like, and what gives you energy and makes you feel good. Enjoy the experiments and the journey. You'll come out at the other end with more knowledge, and perhaps some new favourites!0 -
This is not possible if your definition of moderation means the total diet is not in excess of calories. We gain weight by not expending enough energy over the course of the day compared to our energy intake, period. No food is going to magically but fat on our body even if we overeat that food.
I agree that this might this might be the case for some, but honestly not all. I'm not too fond of the condescending tone and the lack of foresight in this rant (yes, that's what it is,) and tries to paint a picture with too broad of a brush.
Just because someone is fat, does not mean that they've ever gorged themselves on tons of chocolate, baked goods or have eaten massive meals fit for two or more. Some people just don't know how to eat right in terms of balancing certain stats. For example, one might stay under their caloric intake, but exceed carbs or sugar which stalls their weight loss or causes them to gain.
Furthermore, constructive criticism goes a lot farther, because when you're constantly berating someone they tend to not want to listen to you, thus resulting in a waste of your time.
Sorry, I misplaced my kid gloves and just hate cranking the AC high enough to handle all the gentle snow flakes that seem to accumulate everywhere. You must have missed the title of the blog this topic was posted under
No, I read the topic and replied accordingly; In case you missed it this is what the OP asked for :
" I was wondering WHY people chose one or the other? I've heard negative backlash about Paleo being full of carbs and such. I've also heard negatives things about gluten and dairy, though, too. Also, most recipes I find that are from strong "paleo people" include honey/maple syrup, but the research I do says Paleo is WITHOUT that? Hmmm..Give me some feedback "
While you did give feedback, quite frankly, I'll be blunt and say that it is you who doesn't understand, nor comprehend how to get a point across without sounding like for a lack of better words, a cantankerous self-proclaimed know-it-all who can't seem to get a word out without insulting someone.
Furthermore, you post lacked ANYTHING of substance. All the epic wall of text said in a nutshell was "You're fat tubbo because you eat too much." Again, that's painting a broad stroke, because that's assuming they are eating too much. You can get fat from eating the wrong foods even if in moderation.
From the sound of it, it looks as if you can't handle differentiating opinions or soft criticisms either. Also, don't mistake my polite demeanor for being a "snowflake," because I'm anything but.0 -
I agree that this might this might be the case for some, but honestly not all. I'm not too fond of the condescending tone and the lack of foresight in this rant (yes, that's what it is,) and tries to paint a picture with too broad of a brush.
Just because someone is fat, does not mean that they've ever gorged themselves on tons of chocolate, baked goods or have eaten massive meals fit for two or more. Some people just don't know how to eat right in terms of balancing certain stats. For example, one might stay under their caloric intake, but exceed carbs or sugar which stalls their weight loss or causes them to gain.
Furthermore, constructive criticism goes a lot farther, because when you're constantly berating someone they tend to not want to listen to you, thus resulting in a waste of your time.
Sorry, I misplaced my kid gloves and just hate cranking the AC high enough to handle all the gentle snow flakes that seem to accumulate everywhere. You must have missed the title of the blog this topic was posted under
Ben, I'm thinking you missed the point just because you didn't want to hear the criticism. It's true that not everyone makes excuses. I gained weight out of ignorance and apathy. I didn't stuff myself everyday with cupcakes. In fact, when I did the math, I only overate by an average of 250 calories a day. It took me a very long time to gain it all, which is part of the reason it took so long to wake the hell up and do something about it.0 -
Strict paleo is about clean eating as well but allows for some indulgences unless you are 100% and that is a huge lifestyle change. For me, paleo is best because I'm Insulin resistant and have Celiacs. Weight loss aside I find that eating mostly a clean paleo diet helps me feel healthier. I have more energy, less mental fogginess. I feel more human. Lol! But that is just my personal story. I am really sensitive to processed foods, especially fake sugars, so cutting those things 99% out of my diet has been awesome.0
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Whenever I see somebody crabbing that something is too restrictive, I see somebody who hasn't the willpower to make a change somebody else is willing to make. that is all.
A lack of willpower requires a desire, but not the will, to adhere to something. So, are you suggesting the you believe everyone has the desire to follow a restrictive diet, but only some have the will, or are you simply taking a "holier than thou" approach to incite argument?
I'm saying that not everyone is willing to sacrifice the same things to achieve their (possibly different) goals. And what everyone views as a sacrifice is different. I might not be willing to give up meat, and somebody else might not be willing to give up cake. Not eating cake for me is not a sacrifice, as I am not all that fond of it, while the vegetarian who doesn't like meat does not have any issue avoiding meat. I'm not trying to create an argument, just suggest that people should look at it from a different perspective.0 -
This is what I think about the list:
Eating Clean
■Eating food in it’s most natural state < not always necessary, it depends on the food. Sometimes processing/cooking makes the food more nutritious and healthy. Say corn tortillas over polenta. Polenta is not that good for you and if eaten vegan can lead to pellagra (milled the European way), while corn tortillas made with masa (Nixtamalization- corn soaked in lime and ground to flour, the way native Central Americans invented it) is higher in fiber and has the vitamins to ward off pellagra!
■Nothing white (flour, sugar, rice, etc) -- my take: White flour and rice isn't really bad for you, but a diet without enough fiber can be. I am gluten free due to celiac, so no wheat flour or any of its relatives of any kind, so I struggle to get enough fiber and get nothing in the way of enriched flour in my diet so I have to make sure I get enough vitamins, too, and whole grains such as brown rice are a good way to obtain them. I use a pressure cooker on whole rice and legumes, which hits it with high enough heat to deactivate the "issues" discussed around here. :P (I am pretty against the mistaken notion that cooking food is bad for food, its a type of processing too... and food cooked well with style is tasty, even if its "whole food"
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■Avoid all things processed and refined -- see above
■Lean protein and healthy fats (like those from nuts) -- While nuts are good for you, they are high in calories. Use a food scale and watch portions.
■Lots and lots of organic fruits and vegetables. -- Organic hasn't been proven to be better than nonorganic. I don't have the cash flow to be choosy here... I eat fruits and vegetables, but I don't buy organic.
■Organic products -- above!
■No preservatives, no fast food, no alcohol -- Some preservatives are fine. Some fast food is fine - use common sense and moderation. Alcohol in moderation is fine... count the calories though!
■No or limited dairy (depending on who you ask) -- there is nothing wrong with dairy unless you have a problem related to lactose intolerance or an inability to digest milk casein. If that person is not you, then don't worry about it. Use moderation. Cultured dairy is good for you - I eat a lot of plain cultured yogurt at home and it has saved my life when I have gotten violently ill with an intestinal bug on vacation.
Paleo
■Lots of organic and grass fed lean meats -- what I said about organic, again. Though grass fed sometimes has a better fat profile, jury is out and probably only a marginal benefit
■Lots of organic veggies and fruits -- what I said about organic, again
■Lots of nuts and healthy fats -- what I said about nuts.
■Consuming food in it’s most natural state -- not always the case.
■No sugar (unless from fruit or natural sweeteners such as honey or agave nectar), no legumes, no grains, no gluten -- only important to people with medical issues with these items, otherwise use common sense and count the calories. Honey is nothing but liquid sugar... it's got some health benefits regarding cough suppression if you have a cold, but otherwise, I treat it exactly like sugar.
■No dairy -- what I said about dairy above
■No preservatives, no fast food, no alcohol -- what I said about these items above.
■Nothing white (flour, sugar, rice, etc) -- same as above.
■Avoid all things processed and refined -- not necessary in all cases, depends on the food stuff.0 -
BingoI am guessing after a few weeks of eating this way you will get discouraged...
Track your calories and macronutrients...exercise regularly and enjoy life.
There are those who eat this way and enjoy it...more power to them. This much restriction would make me absolutely miserable, I don't know about you.
I guess I feel the same about the folks who eat tons of plain chicken, and down shakes and supplements like there's no tomorrow. I guess "too restrictive" is in the eye of the beholder. 0 -
clean/paleo sounds perfect for you.Strict paleo is about clean eating as well but allows for some indulgences unless you are 100% and that is a huge lifestyle change. For me, paleo is best because I'm Insulin resistant and have Celiacs. Weight loss aside I find that eating mostly a clean paleo diet helps me feel healthier. I have more energy, less mental fogginess. I feel more human. Lol! But that is just my personal story. I am really sensitive to processed foods, especially fake sugars, so cutting those things 99% out of my diet has been awesome.0 -
I agree that this might this might be the case for some, but honestly not all. I'm not too fond of the condescending tone and the lack of foresight in this rant (yes, that's what it is,) and tries to paint a picture with too broad of a brush.
Just because someone is fat, does not mean that they've ever gorged themselves on tons of chocolate, baked goods or have eaten massive meals fit for two or more. Some people just don't know how to eat right in terms of balancing certain stats. For example, one might stay under their caloric intake, but exceed carbs or sugar which stalls their weight loss or causes them to gain.
Furthermore, constructive criticism goes a lot farther, because when you're constantly berating someone they tend to not want to listen to you, thus resulting in a waste of your time.
Sorry, I misplaced my kid gloves and just hate cranking the AC high enough to handle all the gentle snow flakes that seem to accumulate everywhere. You must have missed the title of the blog this topic was posted under
No, I read the topic and replied accordingly; In case you missed it this is what the OP asked for :
" I was wondering WHY people chose one or the other? I've heard negative backlash about Paleo being full of carbs and such. I've also heard negatives things about gluten and dairy, though, too. Also, most recipes I find that are from strong "paleo people" include honey/maple syrup, but the research I do says Paleo is WITHOUT that? Hmmm..Give me some feedback "
While you did give feedback, quite frankly, I'll be blunt and say that it is you who doesn't understand, nor comprehend how to get a point across without sounding like for a lack of better words, a cantankerous self-proclaimed know-it-all who can't seem to get a word out without insulting someone.
Furthermore, you post lacked ANYTHING of substance. All the epic wall of text said in a nutshell was "You're fat tubbo because you eat too much." Again, that's painting a broad stroke, because that's assuming they are eating too much. You can get fat from eating the wrong foods even if in moderation.
From the sound of it, it looks as if you can't handle differentiating opinions or soft criticisms either. Also, don't mistake my polite demeanor for being a "snowflake," because I'm anything but.
Well you're wrong again. Actually ACG67 has taken me to the cleaners on knowledge before yet he resides on my friends list so oooops for you there.
My post was straight forward in saying you need accountability to succeed which most people lack. When you start blaming carbs, or refined sugar, or genetically modified food or whatever the trend is this minute for the reason you are overweight you have dodged your accountability.
When you then wave this new found flag to declare your war on which ever enemy of the body Dr. Oz has instructed you to do so with this week and then swear to battle it with a revolutionary break through like Adkins, Paleo, Blood type diet, Hcg, and so on, you have dodged accountability.
Maybe the real issue for you is my post hit a little too close to home for you. Try some accountability for the position you are in in life and maybe you can then become a HappyKitty0 -
clean/paleo sounds perfect for you.Strict paleo is about clean eating as well but allows for some indulgences unless you are 100% and that is a huge lifestyle change. For me, paleo is best because I'm Insulin resistant and have Celiacs. Weight loss aside I find that eating mostly a clean paleo diet helps me feel healthier. I have more energy, less mental fogginess. I feel more human. Lol! But that is just my personal story. I am really sensitive to processed foods, especially fake sugars, so cutting those things 99% out of my diet has been awesome.
Thanks, it is! Thats why I recommend that people try it if they are losing weight while eating sufficient calories but still feel crappy. The energy has been the greatest benefit. The biggest challenge has been accepting that I cant eat like most people. But slipping up and eating "junk" and feeling the inflammation and fogginess gets me back on track fast. The sacrifice is worth it in my case.0 -
You can eat very unhealthy either way, if you for instance eat a very few things from the many choices you have. You can also eat very healthy either way.
A lot of people scoff at fad diets, but one of the interesting things about fads is that it makes people think about what they eat, learn new recipes, and figure out what works for them. Paleo won't be good for everybody, but for me the existence of a couple of Paleo restaurants in the area is a wonderful gift, as it lets me get fast-food I can eat: vegetables, meat or fish, and nuts, no gluten, slow carbs. One of those restaurants is right next to a raw food restaurant, which I also love, as it's also gluten free. I use both, and I love it.
I wouldn't say Paleo is a fad diet as its been around since the 70s... or arguably since the dawn of man kind.
Not sure that 'clean eating' would be catagorized as a fad diet either.Whenever I see someone obsessed over what they shouldn't eat, I wonder what their religion is. It is highly unusual for someone to have exclusionary diets except that they believe that's what their god wants for them.
maybe i just didn't follow the conversation but i don't see what religion has to do with anything.0 -
Neither is required for fat loss. It's all about calories. Whether you get there is clean eating, paleo, atkins, etc.. it honestly won't make fat loss greater. Calories in vs out is the only equation to obtain fat loss. The rest is an approach that can help. But if you do NOT have a metabolic issue, sensitivity or medical issue, then there is no reason to restrict all of these foods.
Obesity is a metabolic issue.0 -
I have done both for health reasons but I enjoy Weight Watchers the most, the old weight watchers, not the crap that they are pushing right now.0
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Again, that's painting a broad stroke, because that's assuming they are eating too much. You can get fat from eating the wrong foods even if in moderation.
You can't change science.
Your opinion is great but when it's trying to discredit proven science, it puts people off.
OP....I've done Paleo...Clean Eating...tried them all. And I found them all too restrictive. I finally lost weight when I took a hard look at how much I was eating...and adjusted that number accordingly..boom...50 lbs gone. If the reasoning for trying it is to "jumpstart" a diet, then go for it. But as for a lifestyle, I'm not quite sure how anyone can stand it, to be honest. Just my two cents.0 -
I have done both for health reasons but I enjoy Weight Watchers the most, the old weight watchers, not the crap that they are pushing right now.
WW was forced to change because the old system made no sense. The new one isn't much better. They do not actually teach you how to eat right, they just show you quick shortcuts to get basic results. Once you leave the plan the average person fails which is how WW continues to make money, it's one fast spinning revolving door0 -
I've researched it a bunch, and the best I can come up with is below, BUT I was wondering WHY people chose one or the other? I've heard negative backlash about Paleo being full of carbs and such. I've also heard negatives things about gluten and dairy, though, too. Also, most recipes I find that are from strong "paleo people" include honey/maple syrup, but the research I do says Paleo is WITHOUT that? Hmmm..Give me some feedback please!!
The thing about different styles of eating like Paleo is that everyone adapts those styles for themselves. So some people will eat more sugar than others, which is why some Paleo eaters consume a lot of honey and fruit, and some don't. Some also consume a lot of carbs from fruits and veggies, while others don't. I think it is good that people adapt eating styles to fit themselves, because not everyone reacts to food in the same ways, and not everyone has a big enough budget that they can afford grass-fed beef or whatever. Paleo is really just a loose set of guidelines.
I know I feel much better when I cut out MOST grains - I try to eat mostly primal (which is paleo + dairy) and I feel a lot better than I did before. I have a lot more energy and never get bloated now. But yes, I do eat things containing grains occasionally. I know that pasta and grains didn't make me fat -- I did that. But trying to eat primal/paleo food helps me make better choices, and makes me feel better all around, even though I'm not very strict with it.
I also find that it helps me make better choices regarding the types of food I eat. Before, I ate a lot more pasta and rice, and hardly any vegetables. Since I cut out the pasta and rice, I have vegetables as side dishes now, and I find that I mostly don't miss the pasta and rice.
Basically, people do it because they feel like they get some benefit from it.0 -
Whenever I see somebody crabbing that something is too restrictive, I see somebody who hasn't the willpower to make a change somebody else is willing to make. that is all.
A lack of willpower requires a desire, but not the will, to adhere to something. So, are you suggesting the you believe everyone has the desire to follow a restrictive diet, but only some have the will, or are you simply taking a "holier than thou" approach to incite argument?
Whenever I see someone obsessed over what they shouldn't eat, I wonder what their religion is. It is highly unusual for someone to have exclusionary diets except that they believe that's what their god wants for them.
Sometimes their religion is "environmentally-aware hipster" 0 -
i dont' do paelo, but i honestly try to get as close as i can to the 'clean eat' method.
Honestly, the only thing i find 'restrictive' about it is that its far less convienient, harder to get something 'clean' to eat if you haven't planned ahead.
Most other things that i really want are generally avoided on any weight loss program (like candy and ice cream).
I guess ideally i'd want to find someway to work these foods into my lifestyle (and i do beleive me). And i guess thats what people mean by saying these diets are 'too restrictive'.
but i mean, you can follow the rules of a paelo diet, ocassionally indulge, and spend most of your time eating the Paleo way and still claim to be eating a Paleo diet IMO... so to me thats not really a valid arguement to scrap the method altogether.0 -
Whenever I see someone obsessed over what they shouldn't eat, I wonder what their religion is. It is highly unusual for someone to have exclusionary diets except that they believe that's what their god wants for them.
maybe i just didn't follow the conversation but i don't see what religion has to do with anything.
Because normally people do not have exclusionary diets unless dictated by religion.0 -
You can eat very unhealthy either way, if you for instance eat a very few things from the many choices you have. You can also eat very healthy either way.
A lot of people scoff at fad diets, but one of the interesting things about fads is that it makes people think about what they eat, learn new recipes, and figure out what works for them. Paleo won't be good for everybody, but for me the existence of a couple of Paleo restaurants in the area is a wonderful gift, as it lets me get fast-food I can eat: vegetables, meat or fish, and nuts, no gluten, slow carbs. One of those restaurants is right next to a raw food restaurant, which I also love, as it's also gluten free. I use both, and I love it.
I wouldn't say Paleo is a fad diet as its been around since the 70s... or arguably since the dawn of man kind.
Not sure that 'clean eating' would be catagorized as a fad diet either.Whenever I see someone obsessed over what they shouldn't eat, I wonder what their religion is. It is highly unusual for someone to have exclusionary diets except that they believe that's what their god wants for them.
maybe i just didn't follow the conversation but i don't see what religion has to do with anything.
Because normally people do not have exclusionary diets unless dictated by religion.
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Well like most of these Clean Eating/ Paleo threads, this has devolved into ridiculousness.0
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Whenever I see somebody crabbing that something is too restrictive, I see somebody who hasn't the willpower to make a change somebody else is willing to make. that is all.
A lack of willpower requires a desire, but not the will, to adhere to something. So, are you suggesting the you believe everyone has the desire to follow a restrictive diet, but only some have the will, or are you simply taking a "holier than thou" approach to incite argument?
Whenever I see someone obsessed over what they shouldn't eat, I wonder what their religion is. It is highly unusual for someone to have exclusionary diets except that they believe that's what their god wants for them.
Sometimes their religion is "environmentally-aware hipster"
Yep! That too.
I remember in the early 80s, one of my older cousins tried the "raw food diet," and my parents were calling her a hippie. :laugh:0 -
Well like most of these Clean Eating/ Paleo threads, this has devolved into ridiculousness.
Which only makes sense. :laugh:0 -
You can eat very unhealthy either way, if you for instance eat a very few things from the many choices you have. You can also eat very healthy either way.
A lot of people scoff at fad diets, but one of the interesting things about fads is that it makes people think about what they eat, learn new recipes, and figure out what works for them. Paleo won't be good for everybody, but for me the existence of a couple of Paleo restaurants in the area is a wonderful gift, as it lets me get fast-food I can eat: vegetables, meat or fish, and nuts, no gluten, slow carbs. One of those restaurants is right next to a raw food restaurant, which I also love, as it's also gluten free. I use both, and I love it.
I wouldn't say Paleo is a fad diet as its been around since the 70s... or arguably since the dawn of man kind.
Not sure that 'clean eating' would be catagorized as a fad diet either.Whenever I see someone obsessed over what they shouldn't eat, I wonder what their religion is. It is highly unusual for someone to have exclusionary diets except that they believe that's what their god wants for them.
maybe i just didn't follow the conversation but i don't see what religion has to do with anything.
Because normally people do not have exclusionary diets unless dictated by religion.
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I take it that you've never studied religion or sociology? There are many major world religions that tell their adherents not to eat certain things. It's actually pretty common in the Big 3: Christianity, Judaism, Islam. It can also be found in Hindu and others.
I don't know how to state my opinion any more clearly than what I have done. *shrug*0 -
Neither is required for fat loss. It's all about calories. Whether you get there is clean eating, paleo, atkins, etc.. it honestly won't make fat loss greater. Calories in vs out is the only equation to obtain fat loss. The rest is an approach that can help. But if you do NOT have a metabolic issue, sensitivity or medical issue, then there is no reason to restrict all of these foods.
this!
yes!
Pretty much...I try to make overall more nutritious decisions than I used to, but nothing is completely off limits either. I can't be that restrictive in my diet...I'd go nuts and be absolutely miserable.
Me too!!!!0 -
If you don't miss these foods, is it really restrictive? In the same vein as telling someone who doesn't luuuurve chocolate how much they are missing out on it, IMO. Paleo eaters can say how restrictive you are by not eating head cheese and liver, too, just because you don't eat it. How many vegetarians are there who just plain don't like to eat meat? I woudl hesitate to call that diet restricted, it's a matter of choice, not necessity. Same with the others. Eating clean/paleo isn't the only way to lose weight, but many people choose to eat thusly to live in optimal health, not for a quick weight loss. Whenever I see somebody crabbing that something is too restrictive, I see somebody who hasn't the willpower to make a change somebody else is willing to make. that is all.
exactly. i don't eat bread because american bread is awful! if i was still in the uk i'd be eating it regularly. i don't like the texture of beans so i choose not to eat them. i like a big marbled juicy rare steak with lots of veg...0 -
I agree that this might this might be the case for some, but honestly not all. I'm not too fond of the condescending tone and the lack of foresight in this rant (yes, that's what it is,) and tries to paint a picture with too broad of a brush.
Just because someone is fat, does not mean that they've ever gorged themselves on tons of chocolate, baked goods or have eaten massive meals fit for two or more. Some people just don't know how to eat right in terms of balancing certain stats. For example, one might stay under their caloric intake, but exceed carbs or sugar which stalls their weight loss or causes them to gain.
Furthermore, constructive criticism goes a lot farther, because when you're constantly berating someone they tend to not want to listen to you, thus resulting in a waste of your time.
Sorry, I misplaced my kid gloves and just hate cranking the AC high enough to handle all the gentle snow flakes that seem to accumulate everywhere. You must have missed the title of the blog this topic was posted under
WhoTheHell's right and I didn't get fat eating sprouts!0 -
Neither is required for fat loss. It's all about calories. Whether you get there is clean eating, paleo, atkins, etc.. it honestly won't make fat loss greater. Calories in vs out is the only equation to obtain fat loss. The rest is an approach that can help. But if you do NOT have a metabolic issue, sensitivity or medical issue, then there is no reason to restrict all of these foods.
Obesity is a metabolic issue.
I would say it's more of an eating more than you burn issue. But please explain what you mean.0
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