Eating Clean vs Paleo?

Neither is required for fat loss. It's all about calories. Whether you get there is clean eating, paleo, atkins, etc.. it honestly won't make fat loss greater. Calories in vs out is the only equation to obtain fat loss. The rest is an approach that can help. But if you do NOT have a metabolic issue, sensitivity or medical issue, then there is no reason to restrict all of these foods.

I take it that you've never studied religion or sociology? There are many major world religions that tell their adherents not to eat certain things. It's actually pretty common in the Big 3: Christianity, Judaism, Islam. It can also be found in Hindu and others.

I don't know how to state my opinion any more clearly than what I have done. *shrug*

I do not COMPLETLY agree with this. For the most part yes it is calories in vs calories out, however, you need to make the best choice you can with those calories. Eating a clean breakfast of eggs and oatmeal at around 300 calories is going to give you much better results than an equal calorie breakfast of sugar loaded cerial or fast food.

You need to learn to make the best choices for your calories Choices that are going to keep you satisfied until you next meal.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/WhoTheHellIsBen/view/getting-healthy-accountability-and-your-need-for-scape-goats-481701

I agree that this might this might be the case for some, but honestly not all. I'm not too fond of the condescending tone and the lack of foresight in this rant (yes, that's what it is,) and tries to paint a picture with too broad of a brush.

Just because someone is fat, does not mean that they've ever gorged themselves on tons of chocolate, baked goods or have eaten massive meals fit for two or more. Some people just don't know how to eat right in terms of balancing certain stats. For example, one might stay under their caloric intake, but exceed carbs or sugar which stalls their weight loss or causes them to gain.

Furthermore, constructive criticism goes a lot farther, because when you're constantly berating someone they tend to not want to listen to you, thus resulting in a waste of your time.

Sorry, I misplaced my kid gloves and just hate cranking the AC high enough to handle all the gentle snow flakes that seem to accumulate everywhere. You must have missed the title of the blog this topic was posted under

WhoTheHell's right and I didn't get fat eating sprouts!

I'm losing weight eating the same food that I always have, just a tad bit less of it.

Best results for what? Weight loss? Immaterial. Health? Maybe. Compliance? Could be. Also, you are excluding a whole big chunk of middle ground. The only choices are no eggs and oatmeal or sugar loaded cereal or fast food. There are many choices that do no fall into one of these 3 categories and this is where the logic and facts start breaking down when things are framed in such extremes.

PS: The Paleo folks would frown on the oatmeal! lol

Alright, let me clarify here:

1. I wanted opinions about people that *participate* in one or the other.
I wanted this because I wanted people to tell me WHY they felt like dairy was a no-no or why even legumes were bad (still not getting that one.) What research or personal feelings have they determined that made them believe that you should do less of one or the other?

2. I believe majority of things should be done in moderation. This included. No, I am not saying I will never ever eat a single grain again. I'm just talking about an average of 75%-90% of the time.

3. If you read my profile, it explains more. I did the "Elimination Diet" to figure out allergies/intolerances/sensitivities as well as to help with the intestinal yeast overgrowth and Leaky Gut Syndrome. I took gluten, wheat, dairy, soy, oats, peanuts, and everything processed out of my diet at 14 years old for 6 months. If I can do it then: I can do it now, so I'm not worried about that.

When I was going through it, everyone thought I was nuts. It did lead me to discover how badly I reacted to half of those foods years ago. I found it extremely difficult to find good recipes and restaurants to accomodate even just gluten-free, though.
That leads me to now, present day. With these new "lifestyles" becoming all the rage, recipes, restaurant menu options, etc., are everywhere. It sparked my interest again since I know that I am ruining my body by ignoring what my body is reacting to negatively. I just wanted to know what NEW research is out, why people chose it, and what things and why they really felt strongly about eliminating dairy or soy or legumes, whatever. It was just to learn!


I, personally, think that keeping dairy, oats, soy, and peanuts away majority of the time (considering my throat swells up when I eat them among other issues :P) is right for me. Keeping processed foods and grains away is a personal choice from the amount of negative chemicals that are put into these things. I do think that eating "regular" stuff every so often is not a big deal. However, I do also believe there are a few benefits from doing something like these "lifestyles."

1. I was off all my medication, erased my diagnoses of Fibromyalgia, IBS, Migraines, Rheynauds and others; dropped 20 lbs within the first few months without exercising; was able to run for the first time in years; and my whole mental self was renewed. (That was at 14.)

2. It gives me something to kinda keep me organized, in a way. I don't go by the whole "fad thing" because it will surely faid at some point, but it is easier typing in "paleo recipes," and explaining to people "I eat clean" rather than listing all the things I can/can't eat, lol. It also helps me find support from fellow people that are doing this instead of WW, or that have actual intolerances like me. It's easier to relate to people that have something taken out of their diets, especially people that focus on not eating processed food.

3. I do completely think that if people do it for the wrong reasons--it will not last. I was living proof of that at one point. Now look at where I am. However, I think you can pretty much abuse any eating style. That's not what I want to do, though. I say lifestyle because I really want it to be a way of life, not a diet. It doesn't mean that I am never ever going to eat any of those foods again, though, like I said.

I really just wanted to learn about these two lifestyles, and why people decided on them, especially since it seems many people do it without even having allergies or such. People recommending crossfit also made me finally search for more info on these "lifestyles" since many of them follow one or the other, too.

I appreciate some of your comments, lol. Some, well, I just skipped because it was getting long and off-topic for me. But thanks for trying! Haha. :P

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/WhoTheHellIsBen/view/getting-healthy-accountability-and-your-need-for-scape-goats-481701

I agree that this might this might be the case for some, but honestly not all. I'm not too fond of the condescending tone and the lack of foresight in this rant (yes, that's what it is,) and tries to paint a picture with too broad of a brush.

Just because someone is fat, does not mean that they've ever gorged themselves on tons of chocolate, baked goods or have eaten massive meals fit for two or more. Some people just don't know how to eat right in terms of balancing certain stats. For example, one might stay under their caloric intake, but exceed carbs or sugar which stalls their weight loss or causes them to gain.

Furthermore, constructive criticism goes a lot farther, because when you're constantly berating someone they tend to not want to listen to you, thus resulting in a waste of your time.

Sorry, I misplaced my kid gloves and just hate cranking the AC high enough to handle all the gentle snow flakes that seem to accumulate everywhere. You must have missed the title of the blog this topic was posted under

WhoTheHell's right and I didn't get fat eating sprouts!

I'm losing weight eating the same food that I always have, just a tad bit less of it.

Which is exactly what the entire blog was about! In fact there is a line that says eat a damn Hershey bar if you want, the world will not end.

I take it that you've never studied religion or sociology? There are many major world religions that tell their adherents not to eat certain things. It's actually pretty common in the Big 3: Christianity, Judaism, Islam. It can also be found in Hindu and others.

I don't know how to state my opinion any more clearly than what I have done. *shrug*

i guess your right that there are more people following a 'restrictive' diet because of religious reasons then there are because of nutritional reasons.

but i dont see how that your anything else you've said intelligently addresses the OP

I do not COMPLETLY agree with this. For the most part yes it is calories in vs calories out, however, you need to make the best choice you can with those calories. Eating a clean breakfast of eggs and oatmeal at around 300 calories is going to give you much better results than an equal calorie breakfast of sugar loaded cerial or fast food.

You need to learn to make the best choices for your calories Choices that are going to keep you satisfied until you next meal.

100% agree with that. Most people on here i see who say you can 'eat as much of whatever you want as long as you hit your calories goals' are eating to gain weight anyway.

Most people i know who stick to the Paleo diet didn't start it because they needed to lose weight anyway

100% agree with that. Most people on here i see who say you can 'eat as much of whatever you want as long as you hit your calories goals' are eating to gain weight anyway.

Most people i know who stick to the Paleo diet didn't start it because they needed to lose weight anyw

Sweeping generalizations much??

idk, if you want to argue your going to have to give me more to go on then that lol

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/WhoTheHellIsBen/view/getting-healthy-accountability-and-your-need-for-scape-goats-481701

I agree that this might this might be the case for some, but honestly not all. I'm not too fond of the condescending tone and the lack of foresight in this rant (yes, that's what it is,) and tries to paint a picture with too broad of a brush.

Just because someone is fat, does not mean that they've ever gorged themselves on tons of chocolate, baked goods or have eaten massive meals fit for two or more. Some people just don't know how to eat right in terms of balancing certain stats. For example, one might stay under their caloric intake, but exceed carbs or sugar which stalls their weight loss or causes them to gain.

Furthermore, constructive criticism goes a lot farther, because when you're constantly berating someone they tend to not want to listen to you, thus resulting in a waste of your time.

Sorry, I misplaced my kid gloves and just hate cranking the AC high enough to handle all the gentle snow flakes that seem to accumulate everywhere. You must have missed the title of the blog this topic was posted under

WhoTheHell's right and I didn't get fat eating sprouts!

I'm losing weight eating the same food that I always have, just a tad bit less of it.

Which is exactly what the entire blog was about! In fact there is a line that says eat a damn Hershey bar if you want, the world will not end.

Ok, I'll confess. I commented on the other comment without reading the blog. :blushing:

I eat what I want, and I'm halfway to my goal.

For optimal satiety or even body recomposition, I will completely agree with you but if you look at it at the pure weight loss perspective it doesn't matter. Now will you possibly lose more muscle mass and not as much fat... probably, but it's still weight loss. This is why I always say fat loss. With weight loss, you have to worry about water weight caused by sodium or increases in glygocgen associated with carbs.

If all you want to do is lose wieght, might as well cut out all the confusion and just focus on calories in vs out.

but if you want to build a different body, and/or fueling it propperly matters too you, then caloreis in/out is really only one portion of the picture, maybe this is the source of a lot of head butting on this issue, miss understanding what people goals are

Well for starters, I don't see anyone saying " 'eat as much of whatever you want as long as you hit your calories goals' are eating to gain weight anyway." If I'm wrong please point it out and I will stand corrected. I do people essentially saying If It Fits Your Macros or IIFYM. IOW, hit your calorie target and your macro nutrient target and do that eating anything you feel comfortable eating. If you do this you will lose weight. The idea is to lose weight and not gain as you stated above. Some may be following this on a bulk but most not.

Secondly, there is thread after thread on Paleo and Clean Eating as a way to lose weight. May not apply to you but that is how many are trying to evaluate it.

If you don't miss these foods, is it really restrictive? In the same vein as telling someone who doesn't luuuurve chocolate how much they are missing out on it, IMO. Paleo eaters can say how restrictive you are by not eating head cheese and liver, too, just because you don't eat it. How many vegetarians are there who just plain don't like to eat meat? I woudl hesitate to call that diet restricted, it's a matter of choice, not necessity. Same with the others. Eating clean/paleo isn't the only way to lose weight, but many people choose to eat thusly to live in optimal health, not for a quick weight loss. Whenever I see somebody crabbing that something is too restrictive, I see somebody who hasn't the willpower to make a change somebody else is willing to make. that is all.

these food choices are for better health not neccesarily weight loss.