I've stopped counting calories & weight is still dropping.
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FAT!
NOoooo not that word!! Report report report!!
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Blah blah blah... what ever0
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I agree, quality over quantity. :flowerforyou:0
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I give this thread the broscience seal of approval0
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I do not understand the point behind this post. A lot of data with nothing backing it up. Also, pointless data.0
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I'm glad you've found something that works for you - and I wish you continued success.
I, however, have tracked and will continue to track calories. That's sustainable for me (10+ years and counting <calories> - haha!), reliable, and is something I have found invaluable. It's not just about portion control for me and I DO believe there is great use in counting and measuring beyond an acute weight loss stage and into maintenance. There's quite a bit in your post that I disagree with... and quite a bit more I think is outright misinformation. One **thin** thread I CAN support is that all calories are not created equal. How you FEEL will differ depending on the fuel you choose. However, you WILL lose weight if you eat a calorie deficit, even if it's all chocolate. I won't bore people to tears with the other aspects of your post that I think are (hmm, how to put this as respectfully as possible)... mythological.
With your post and with all the other opinions out there... just a reminder to readers... do what works for YOU, leave others to their own devices, and take all "indisputable" advice with a grain of salt. (and track the sodium in that grain, too!)
Again, really glad you have something that works for you. I appreciate the time you took to post your views. I'm sure some folks will find it valuable. Continued success to you.
Wow! What an inspiration you are! Congrats on your excellent work and on doing it the right way!0 -
Google the "Twinkie Diet" as far as types of calories are concerned. Plus, glad you're still getting results. Everyone has to do what works for them. As far as your other information, do you have scientific references?0
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Strawman army ITT.0
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I never tracked calories before I found this website, and that is the reason I am not at a healthy weight. Now that I'm on MFP, I'm getting on track. For me, the whole point of counting calories is to make sure I don't eat too much or too little. Without looking at calories, I could easily gain weight back. Counting calories is the only method that works for me.0
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A calorie is a calorie. I lost all this same weight on weight watchers eating nothing but "lo cal" and "lo fat" crap food. However, I learned absolutely nothing about nutrition. This time around I'm learning how to eat better so it's sustainable. You can eat whatever you want at a calorie defecit and you will lose weight. But IMO it's unsustainable.0
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THANKS bro!!0
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Bored now...0
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This was a really cool story, bro!0
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Junk Science!0
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After some time, I’ve chosen to stop counting calories. I hear many of you on here saying “a calorie is a calorie” - or “just stay under your calorie limit and you will be fine”.
I couldn’t disagree with those comments any more. First off - a pound of fat is equal to 4082 calories. I know many of you think it’s 3500 calories, but that is just a myth that has made it’s way to mainstream and now spoken as facts by almost everyone.
Lets break it down - 1 gram of fat = 9 calories (undisputed). Well if that is the case - and there are 453.6 grams in a pound - a pound of fat MUST have 4082 calories. Granted that 1 lb of fat isn’t even really 1 lb of pure fat! In fact, about 1/6 of a pound of fat is actually water! So TECHNICALLY the fat part of that 1 lb. of pure fat would be 3400 calories to burn - plus the excess water.
And about this calorie is a calorie BS. Really? Do some of you really think that 2000 calories of chocolate = 2000 calories of fruits and veggies? Would someone who is trying to lose weight and eating 2000 calories a day of sugar have the same results of someone eating 2000 calories a day of veggies? Of course not! Our bodies react differently to different foods - regardless of their calorie intake.
I should be eating around 2,200 calories a day for my size (5’11 - 250 lb.) if I wanted to lose 2 lb. per week. Yet I have continually ate around 1,300 - 1,600 calories per day - many days eating more because I felt I needed to to have energy (mind playing tricks).
I have been eating very clean. Hardly any grain, mostly beans, lentils, fresh veggies, seeds, the occasional vega or genuine health shake - even the occasional beef burger &/or pizza slice (I added that in to show I am not vegan- more-so plant based). Well since I’ve stopped counting calories - I’ve not noticed my weight continuing to drop, while not worrying about calorie counting. I understand what is good food, what is bad food (shouldn’t even be considered food at all), and I have also discovered portion control. I’ve also taught myself to drink 24oz of lemon water when I feel hungry and wait - just to see if it was hunger, or I was bored. Most of the time I still eat, but not as much b/c the water is filling too.
Many people on this site is accurate with their calorie counting anyway. I weigh and measure my food and I believe I am still off by 20% or more at times with certain foods.
Lastly, I’ll touch on protein. This has to be one of the hardest myths to crack - YOU DON’T NEED 1-2 Grams of protein to build/maintain muscle! I don’t care what Arnold told you! He was on steroids so eating ANY amount of protein would have had a much greater affect on him than anyone else eating less or the same protein as him.
According to the Institute of Medicine, the average healthy adult requires 0.36 g of protein per pound of body weight per day. So for example, if you weigh 150 lb.., you would need 54 g of protein a day. In food terms, that would equal a 4 oz. piece of chicken, 6 oz. cup of Greek yogurt and a half-cup of skim milk.
Athletes and people over the age of 60 might benefit from increasing the recommended amount of protein in their diets to support muscle growth and prevent muscle loss, respectively. The recommended amount of protein for strength and endurance athletes ranges from 0.5 to 0.8 g of protein per pound. Older adults may benefit from increasing the amount of protein in their diets to 0.5 g of protein per pound per day. That is a far cry from 1-2 g everyone is saying on here. I have gone with lower protein, I’ve noticed muscle size increase and strength too. Any of the excess protein you eat is excreted out. So don’t worry if you’re under a little!
Bottom line, do what works for you at this moment, but make sure you have an exit strategy or a sustainable method. I know some people on here have lost over 100 lb. and track calories like it was second nature - but I believe they don’t need to anymore. They tracked until they know what acceptable amounts are, what clean foods are, and what portion control is. If you see the scale go up, then you know to eat cleaner - more greens & veggies. Remove the processed foods (they are horrible for you anyway).
For those that continue to count calories - it’s not a perfect method (none are), but it should at the very least teach portion control.
Also - Probably the most important thing - It’s not how many calories, it’s what the body can do with it! Choose foods rich in nutrients - not low in nutrients and rich in calories! I will say that calories are a good thing to count if you are not doing anything other than counting and measuring weight.
I’ll leave the scale and not measuring your body for another rant & I will still be on here until my goal is reached! (like calorie counting - seeing all of your success stories is real motivating ).
Quote :Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
I think that the biggest tool for weight loss at least for me is portion control. Logging helps me stay aware of what I put into my mouth, but the scale and measuring cups are my best friend. Seems this is working for you too! I agree that there is a measuring error, and will always be with different textures, food shapes, user error, ect.0 -
i thought this was gonna get good...
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While reading this wall of text I read "Lastly "and got my hopes up, thinking that the wall of text was over.
Well, I was lied to. You went on and on and on. How can I respect your words when You don't finish talking soon after saying "lastly"?
Lastly, if counting calories don't work for you. Thats fine. Many people in the past, present and future have lost weight without counting calories. MFP's counting calories is just another way of doing it and I (along with many others like this method.
I bid you good luck sir. Take care
Almost spewed coffee. You should warn me before you're going to be funny.
I do agree with OP on one thing for sure, though. Since I stopped thinking of processed foods like snack cakes as 'food' (as in something I'll eat), life has been much better and my weight loss much more consistent. But I can and have gained weight or not lost while avoiding those un-foods entirely, which is why I still count calories.
And getting enough protein isn't my worry, either. I need to make sure to get enough fat, though, or I'll end up binging on steak and onions and butter.
Agree with this! I was an obese vegetarian and on my vegan day here I took in about 2500kcals. Love my fat bring on the oil and butter!0 -
I read the first paragraph and then it all went into the Charlie Brown adult speak 'wha wha wha wha wha..."0
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OP: I actually agree with most of what you've written. On the bit about protein: I think people misquote the literature when they say 1-2 g/lb for muscle growth ... the general consensus among the studies seems to be 1-2 g per kilogram of LEAN body weight. So, for instance, I weigh 63 kg. I don't know my BF, but I'll estimate it at 20%. Then I should get anywhere from 50 g - 100 g of protein each day, depending on my exercise profile. And protein (consumed with a decent amount of fat) is particularly essential for those folks who eat and exercise to create a calorie deficit, as it decreases the amount of muscle the body will catabolize for energy. But excessive protein is unnecessary, it's converted to glucose in the liver anyway, or excreted.
Anyway, off-point. As I was saying, I agree with what you've written, but your preaching tone left a bad taste in my mouth. Many people on here (myself included) don't really care about calories ... they're here to track other things: macronutrients, fitness progress, types/quality of food eaten, etc. or they're looking for a community of support. Of course there are those that DO care about calories. Misguided though I think that is, there's no reason to bash it. Everyone has to find what works for them, and it's going to be highly dependent on their goals and priorities.
Just my two cents. But I'm glad you've figured out what works for you and even happier to see that it is the whole foods/few grains approach.0 -
Good for you.
I couldn't even read the whole thing. I HATE being lectured.0 -
Of course there are those that DO care about calories. Misguided though I think that is, there's no reason to bash it. Everyone has to find what works for them, and it's going to be highly dependent on their goals and priorities.
Just my two cents. But I'm glad you've figured out what works for you and even happier to see that it is the whole foods/few grains approach.
Can you explain why you think counting calories is misguided?0 -
I am bumping this thread because it has the potential to be epic.
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Of course there are those that DO care about calories. Misguided though I think that is, there's no reason to bash it. Everyone has to find what works for them, and it's going to be highly dependent on their goals and priorities.
Just my two cents. But I'm glad you've figured out what works for you and even happier to see that it is the whole foods/few grains approach.
Can you explain why you think counting calories is misguided?
Here's a better question. Why would anyone who thinks counting calories as misguided bother to use this site?0 -
sorry but i couldnt get passed the first couple of paragraphs...yawn:yawn:0
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When I hear about a man eating less than 1600 calories a day, I don't want to hear anymore after that.0
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When I hear about a man eating less than 1600 calories a day, I don't want to hear anymore after that.
WT, you and I don't always agree on much, but I do believe we have found some rare common ground here.
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Broscience. Because forum.0
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What works for one does not work for others,wonderful job to all that have found what works for them but if it doesnt work for you then let it be and try somthing new.Dont come on and put down what others find works,everyone is different thats what makes the world great.:drinker:0
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