calories and weight loss
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First if you're going to compare you would hold calories constant, not food grams. Next, you are completely ignoring what happens in large periods of time. Fat oxidation will exceed fat storage in an energy deficit. If you eat a bunch of sugar and acute fat storage increases, but you are in an energy deficit over time, then fat oxidation will exceed fat storage and you will lose fat.
Next, not many people sit down to a good hearty breakfast of 100g of table sugar so this example is somewhat silly.
Next, you should read this regarding insulin:
weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
i am not saying to eat 100 grams of sugar at the 1 time, i am simply showing you that 100 grams of beans is 100 calories and the 100 grams of sugar is 500 calories,
but its not the calories that you should be looking at
its the quantity of the sugar
its recommended that you don't get more than 5 grams of sugar per meal in order to keep insulin under control0 -
That one had me scratching my head as well. I couldn't remember if too many bananas makes you go to the bathroom or makes you not.
Although ironic that the OP says the person eating 20 bananas a day doesn't gain weight but claims sugar makes you fat when bananas are high in sugar
the sugar in a banana is a simple sugar that your body will recognize, it also has fiber in it to help the absorption remain slower, its slow release of sugars in the blood, this is why , and 20 bananas is 2000 calories , but the banana will keep you in an alkaline state,
So what happens if I put fiber (like metamucil) in my sugar and and water?
And you never commented on my twinkie diet post.0 -
Calories matter. No doubt. But what research has showed is that what truly matters is what the foods you eat do to your BLOOD.
yes,
now we are getting somewhere with this
glad to see that someone is understanding this more0 -
we have to be aware of the blood , when we eat we eat for the blood, because the blood will deliver the energy it gets from your stomach to all the parts of the body for energy
so we really have to eat for the blood ,
all calories are not equal
so i don't like the term calories,
i prefer to look at it as energy for the blood,0 -
Okay this is good.
10/10
Dammit second time I got nailed ...0 -
So what happens if I put fiber (like metamucil) in my sugar and and water?
And you never commented on my twinkie diet post.
its still acting as processed in the body, , why would you want to intake white sugar with water ?
twinkie diet ? no thanks
but the nuts in it are good fiber, thats my take on it0 -
So what happens if I put fiber (like metamucil) in my sugar and and water?
And you never commented on my twinkie diet post.
its still acting as processed in the body, , why would you want to intake white sugar with water ?
twinkie diet ? no thanks
but the nuts in it are good fiber, thats my take on it
Well, if the banana sugar is ok because there is fiber, I figured the 100 grams white sugar you had me eating a few posts ago would be ok if I ate it with fibre. I would be awful hard to swallow the sugar and metamucil without water.
Twinkie diet - not thanks. Maybe not for you but that guy still lost weight.0 -
Here's the thing - it IS, 100%, without any doubt, factually correct to say that gaining or losing weight is reliant on absolutely nothing else than calories in vs. calories out. If you eat more calories than you burn, you will gain. If you eat less calories than you burn, you will lose. No ifs, ands, or buts. Doesn't matter where the calories IN come from. Yes, some foods make it easier to overeat, and some foods may make you crave other foods or impact your motivation, and some foods make overestimation of calories easier, but it still comes down to the same principle.
HOWEVER, I think that we often overlook all of the different ways that our calories OUT can be variable from person to person and even day to day. BMRs and RMRs and TDEEs can vary widely, even between 2 people with the same height, weight, fitness level and activity level. Plus, different types of foods do impact how your body reacts to them. Some types of foods support keeping our bodies running in a more efficient fashion, and provide more energy for improved workouts. Some types of food bog us down. It's all about finding what approach works best for each individual.0 -
So what happens if I put fiber (like metamucil) in my sugar and and water?
And you never commented on my twinkie diet post.
its still acting as processed in the body, , why would you want to intake white sugar with water ?
twinkie diet ? no thanks
but the nuts in it are good fiber, thats my take on it
Well, if the banana sugar is ok because there is fiber, I figured the 100 grams white sugar you had me eating a few posts ago would be ok if I ate it with fibre. I would be awful hard to swallow the sugar and metamucil without water.
Twinkie diet - not thanks. Maybe not for you but that guy still lost weight.
we are not here to discuss any crazy diets
the discussion on this thread was to look at the word calories and discuss what we think about what its trying to tell us about food
my conclusion is that we all have our own opinions on the word calories, it means different things to different people
it can cause some people to become obsessed by this term and have them count every single food quantity as a calorie because they are afraid of getting fat
we have to see what this term has done to us all, its made us all crazy , we cant eat without looking at how many calories are in it,
does a monkey or a giraffe count calories ? how about a cow or a horse ?
they eat green , and they eat fruit, yet they are huge and have loads of muscles ? they are not fat and obese ?
also ,lets look at people who where born with type 1 diabetes are they fat ?
so my conclusion on this to end this topis is that we really have to have a word with ourselves and come up with a new way of thinking that does not get us thinking about the word calories0 -
"Definition: A calorie is a measure of energy expenditure. The calories referred to in diet and exercise are kilocalories (kcal) - 1000 of the calories referred to in science labs for measuring chemical reactions.
A pound of fat stores 3500 calories (kcal). To lose a pound of fat a week a person must eat approximately 500 fewer calories (kcal) per day than he/she expends.
The range of daily calorie burning is from 1600 for a sedentary woman or older people to 2800 for active men, very active women and teenage boys." http://walking.about.com/cs/calories/g/calorie.htm
I have no idea what you are trying to say....0 -
we have to be aware of the blood , when we eat we eat for the blood, because the blood will deliver the energy it gets from your stomach to all the parts of the body for energy
so we really have to eat for the blood ,
all calories are not equal
so i don't like the term calories,
i prefer to look at it as energy for the blood,
As a unit of energy, a calorie is a calorie. When you're just strictly talking about weight control, a calorie is a calorie. Nutrition is a completely different discussion. I was losing plenty of weight eating crappy food at a caloric deficit, but my blood work numbers weren't changing...but I was losing weight. My blood work started changing when I changed my eating habits to include more nutrient dense foods...and yes, for me less sugar because I was pre-diabetic and my triglycerides were very high. I'm eating much better foods as a whole now, but I still count calories...If I was to consume calories beyond my TDEE of only spinach, I would still gain weight because I would still be consuming more calories than my body needs to operate.
But like I said...just talking weight loss by itself, a calorie is in deed a calorie. Nutrition is a separate conversation..perhaps it shouldn't be, but it usually is.0 -
"Definition: A calorie is a measure of energy expenditure. The calories referred to in diet and exercise are kilocalories (kcal) - 1000 of the calories referred to in science labs for measuring chemical reactions.
A pound of fat stores 3500 calories (kcal). To lose a pound of fat a week a person must eat approximately 500 fewer calories (kcal) per day than he/she expends.
The range of daily calorie burning is from 1600 for a sedentary woman or older people to 2800 for active men, very active women and teenage boys." http://walking.about.com/cs/calories/g/calorie.htm
I have no idea what you are trying to say....
you have no idea what i am saying ?
did you take the time to read this whole thread ?
i will say it again
100 grams of sugar is 500 calories
100 grams of beans is 100 calories lets say we eat 500 grams of beans thats 500 calories
the calories in the 100 grams sugar is 500 and will cause you weight gain
the calories in 500 grams of beans is 500 and will not cause weight gain
what don't you get about what i am saying here ?
i am saying that you have to be aware of your sugars intake
you can eat as many calories from non sugar foods in my opinion, stay away from the sugars calories and you lose weight
this is my honest opinion on this matter0 -
So you're saying somebody could eat 10,000 calories in beans a day, every day, and they would not gain a single ounce because it is not a sugar food?0
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A kilocalorie which is what we call calories when speaking about food energy is "a unit of energy equal to the heat required to raise the temperature of 1 kg of pure water by 1º C". Nothing about quality or quantitiy of the substance that is being used to derive the heat.
Now if the question is about the effects of some foods on the body's hormonal response then there is a whole plethora of systems being hit by that banana. How we hormonally respond to the ingestion of that yellow delight is determined by our genes. (This is my pro-snowflake vote). People of similar heights and weights will respond differently to that fruit because of their endocrinology. My brother is an inch taller and 100 pounds lighter with the same parents and similar food. The folks on my father's side were skinny and my mother's side much huskier to put it delicately.
It has nothing to do with calories or bananas.0 -
So you're saying somebody could eat 10,000 calories in beans a day, every day, and they would not gain a single ounce because it is not a sugar food?
no
i am saying that you would probably look to eat foods that are high in fiber and low in sugar and to look at getting a realistic potion size, but not looking at it from a calorie perspective,
you would never be above to stomach 10,000 calories of beans lol, get real man
its just about being sensible guys0 -
"Definition: A calorie is a measure of energy expenditure. The calories referred to in diet and exercise are kilocalories (kcal) - 1000 of the calories referred to in science labs for measuring chemical reactions.
A pound of fat stores 3500 calories (kcal). To lose a pound of fat a week a person must eat approximately 500 fewer calories (kcal) per day than he/she expends.
The range of daily calorie burning is from 1600 for a sedentary woman or older people to 2800 for active men, very active women and teenage boys." http://walking.about.com/cs/calories/g/calorie.htm
I have no idea what you are trying to say....
you have no idea what i am saying ?
did you take the time to read this whole thread ?
i will say it again
100 grams of sugar is 500 calories
100 grams of beans is 100 calories lets say we eat 500 grams of beans thats 500 calories
the calories in the 100 grams sugar is 500 and will cause you weight gain
the calories in 500 grams of beans is 500 and will not cause weight gain
what don't you get about what i am saying here ?
i am saying that you have to be aware of your sugars intake
you can eat as many calories from non sugar foods in my opinion, stay away from the sugars calories and you lose weight
this is my honest opinion on this matter
You would not gain weight eating 500 calories of beans or 500 calories of sugar if you are, on a whole, at a caloric deficit. If I ate 3,000 calories of sugar, I'd gain weight...If I ate 3,000 calories of beans, I'd gain weight...If I ate 2,200 calories of sugar I'd lose weight (and probably feel pretty ****ty)...if I ate 2,200 calories of beans I'd also lose weight. I'd lose weight in either case because I'm at a caloric deficit at 2,200 calories. My body would get no nutritional value out of those 2,200 sugar calories, but again...that's simply confusing proper nutrition with energy needs. I would agree that both are important, but you seem to be implying that you can eat as much as you want of a nutritionally dense, quality food without gaining weight and that's simply not true. I know some over weight vegans.0 -
"Definition: A calorie is a measure of energy expenditure. The calories referred to in diet and exercise are kilocalories (kcal) - 1000 of the calories referred to in science labs for measuring chemical reactions.
A pound of fat stores 3500 calories (kcal). To lose a pound of fat a week a person must eat approximately 500 fewer calories (kcal) per day than he/she expends.
The range of daily calorie burning is from 1600 for a sedentary woman or older people to 2800 for active men, very active women and teenage boys." http://walking.about.com/cs/calories/g/calorie.htm
I have no idea what you are trying to say....
you have no idea what i am saying ?
did you take the time to read this whole thread ?
i will say it again
100 grams of sugar is 500 calories
100 grams of beans is 100 calories lets say we eat 500 grams of beans thats 500 calories
the calories in the 100 grams sugar is 500 and will cause you weight gain
the calories in 500 grams of beans is 500 and will not cause weight gain
what don't you get about what i am saying here ?
i am saying that you have to be aware of your sugars intake
you can eat as many calories from non sugar foods in my opinion, stay away from the sugars calories and you lose weight
this is my honest opinion on this matter
You would not gain weight eating 500 calories of beans or 500 calories of sugar if you are, on a whole, at a caloric deficit. If I ate 3,000 calories of sugar, I'd gain weight...If I ate 3,000 calories of beans, I'd gain weight...If I ate 2,200 calories of sugar I'd lose weight (and probably feel pretty ****ty)...if I ate 2,200 calories of beans I'd also lose weight. I'd lose weight in either case because I'm at a caloric deficit at 2,200 calories. My body would get no nutritional value out of those 2,200 sugar calories, but again...that's simply confusing proper nutrition with energy needs. I would agree that both are important, but you seem to be implying that you can eat as much as you want of a nutritionally dense, quality food without gaining weight and that's simply not true. I know some over weight vegans.
you may know overweight vegans because they may eat potato chips, drink full sugar drinks such as coca cola , or even energy drinks such as red bull, these all have high sugar levels and cause weight gain
i don't agree with what you are saying , this shows us how brainwashed we all are
sugar will cause you to gain weight avoid it at all cost for your weight loss0 -
sugar will cause you to gain weight avoid it at all cost for your weight loss
See. Troll... I told ya.0 -
it seems there is a conspiracy when it comes to the word calories,
it looks like the food company's have got together with the elite in order to create an association to the food we eat as being equal to each other
the truth of the matter is this, the calories are not equal
the food company's want you to believe this so they can sell there product and you don't feel bad for eating it because its low in calories,
see ?
they would rather you keep buying there product's so they remove the fat and replace it with ?
sugar
they promote yogurts like this, its fat free, then you check the sugar content and its sky high,
so they are happy for you to count calories and run your but off in the gym in order to lose weight because they are still making money selling you the fat free yogurt that's got 15 grams of sugar in it,
its unreal, and i am sick of it , people really need to learn to eat all over again and ditch these food company's product's
why do you thinkn they are looking for a cure for cancer ?
they are looking for this cure in order to find out how to keep selling you there crap so your body can live in this environment,
and guess what, we are paying to help them find this cure, did you know that its what you eat that is causing these cancers ?
cancer can not thrive in an alkaline environment or sugar free environment,
they want a cure for cancer so that you can get treatment for the crap you eat , that you pay them for, its crazy ,
you are paying them for dead foods that make you sick.
this is the truth guys, sorry0 -
troll ?
what do you mean troll ?
can you explain this please
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We have a STANDARD measurement based on how much energy various foods contain and how much energy an average person burns. It's called a calorie. It's not a conspiracy. It's based on good science.
Maybe you should do some research instead of looking for "opinions" Your time would be better spent.
Have a nice day.
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"Definition: A calorie is a measure of energy expenditure. The calories referred to in diet and exercise are kilocalories (kcal) - 1000 of the calories referred to in science labs for measuring chemical reactions.
A pound of fat stores 3500 calories (kcal). To lose a pound of fat a week a person must eat approximately 500 fewer calories (kcal) per day than he/she expends.
The range of daily calorie burning is from 1600 for a sedentary woman or older people to 2800 for active men, very active women and teenage boys." http://walking.about.com/cs/calories/g/calorie.htm
I have no idea what you are trying to say....
you have no idea what i am saying ?
did you take the time to read this whole thread ?
i will say it again
100 grams of sugar is 500 calories
100 grams of beans is 100 calories lets say we eat 500 grams of beans thats 500 calories
the calories in the 100 grams sugar is 500 and will cause you weight gain
the calories in 500 grams of beans is 500 and will not cause weight gain
what don't you get about what i am saying here ?
i am saying that you have to be aware of your sugars intake
you can eat as many calories from non sugar foods in my opinion, stay away from the sugars calories and you lose weight
this is my honest opinion on this matter
You would not gain weight eating 500 calories of beans or 500 calories of sugar if you are, on a whole, at a caloric deficit. If I ate 3,000 calories of sugar, I'd gain weight...If I ate 3,000 calories of beans, I'd gain weight...If I ate 2,200 calories of sugar I'd lose weight (and probably feel pretty ****ty)...if I ate 2,200 calories of beans I'd also lose weight. I'd lose weight in either case because I'm at a caloric deficit at 2,200 calories. My body would get no nutritional value out of those 2,200 sugar calories, but again...that's simply confusing proper nutrition with energy needs. I would agree that both are important, but you seem to be implying that you can eat as much as you want of a nutritionally dense, quality food without gaining weight and that's simply not true. I know some over weight vegans.
you may know overweight vegans because they may eat potato chips, drink full sugar drinks such as coca cola , or even energy drinks such as red bull, these all have high sugar levels and cause weight gain
i don't agree with what you are saying , this shows us how brainwashed we all are
sugar will cause you to gain weight avoid it at all cost for your weight loss
Dude....I know all of this from personal experience...when I first started losing weight I ate exactly the same way I used to eat. Full fat...sugar...saturated fats...white breads and rice...soda...you name it. I lost weight because I was consuming less calories than my body needed to maintain weight...i.e. I was at a caloric deficit...I was losing weight because I was at a caloric deficit.
In RE to the nutritional aspect, I would agree...not all calories are equal when it comes to nutrition. Like I said before, since I started cleaning up my diet and eating more nutritionally dense and whole foods, my blood work has gotten a lot better...but I still have to watch calories. I don't have an internal fuel gauge that works...I can eat my own weight in fruit and veg. And no...the vegans I know don't eat chips and what not...they're very conscience about "eating clean"...they just eat too much.
Calorie is not a conspiracy...it's a scientific measure of energy period. There is no brainwashing...food companies didn't invent the calorie.0 -
Hi,
I would like to start this discussion on the topic of the word CALORIES and how it has become one of the most discussed terms of gauging our weight , we use the term calories to discuss our energy needs for our day, but why should we believe this word. i would like to know your thoughts below
did you read this post guys ?
at the start i said i want to discuss the word calories and how its gauging our weight loss
up to now, i have had nobody really agree with me
so it looks like you have all been brainwashed true enough by this word,
my conclusion is that this word is so powerful that people may never wake up to the truth,
i wish you all well
i am ending this discussion at this point
have a nice day all0 -
We have a STANDARD measurement based on how much energy various foods contain and how much energy an average person burns. It's called a calorie. It's not a conspiracy. It's based on good science.
Maybe you should do some research instead of looking for "opinions" Your time would be better spent.
Have a nice day.
Dude...you're just perpetuating the conspiracy. Everyone knows that there's nothing scientific about a calorie and that big sugar invented it and is trying to make everyone fat. Where you been brah?
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That was wierd.:laugh:0
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Hi,
I would like to start this discussion on the topic of the word CALORIES and how it has become one of the most discussed terms of gauging our weight , we use the term calories to discuss our energy needs for our day, but why should we believe this word. i would like to know your thoughts below
did you read this post guys ?
at the start i said i want to discuss the word calories and how its gauging our weight loss
up to now, i have had nobody really agree with me
so it looks like you have all been brainwashed true enough by this word,
my conclusion is that this word is so powerful that people may never wake up to the truth,
i wish you all well
i am ending this discussion at this point
have a nice day all
You don't make sense and make ridiculous statements, your topic is calories and weight loss and it's turned into "James hates sugar" You've hi-jacked your own post, and you're a troll
2. No Hi-Jacking, Trolling, or Flame-baiting
Please stay on-topic within a forum topic
Good luck with that :flowerforyou:0 -
I was entertained. cwolfman13 made some good points!0
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........so it looks like you have all been brainwashed true enough by this word, ..........Hi,
I would like to start this discussion on the topic of the word CALORIES and how it has become one of the most discussed terms of gauging our weight , we use the term calories to discuss our energy needs for our day, but why should we believe this word. i would like to know your thoughts below
Or...you could just be an idiot.0 -
Calorie is a unit of energy... what other word would you like to use?
I prefer Joules myself.
Excellent!0
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