calories and weight loss
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it seems you are all being very defensive about the word calories because you don't want to know the truth
go on and eat all the crap you want and get sick
that what you want to hear ?
then fine , do what you want, but don't complain that you cant lose any weight after eating all your high sugar foods and sweating it out at the gym
I am being very realistic on this forum but some people don't like the truth, the truth hurts guys
I do eat all the crap I want and I very rarely get sick and again I eat high sugar foods all the time and don't get fat. Even when I ate nothing but mcdonalds I didn't get fat and I almost never got sick. Explain why I'm not fat or deathly ill right now? What you are saying is far from FACT, I am an amazing example that you don't know what you are saying.0 -
So those people who eat processed sugars and aren't overweight and are perfectly healthy and live until they are 90 years old.. are they aliens then?
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it depends what you are taking about when you say processed sugars ?
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Um, the PROCESSED SUGARS YOU KEEP REFERRING TO.0 -
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the answer to these questions is so simple!
I used to weigh a lot more and i was careful to eat mostly vegies etc i couldn't figure out how some ppl could eat chips and pretzels and fries etc and stay toothpick-y
when i started calorie counting i figured it out.
i totally indulge every single day and am losing weight. it's just, if i have a danish during the day, i eat a calorie lite lunch or dinner that totally balances it out. if I want to i have pizza on the way home from work, i'll just have filling protein for dinner then go to sleep.
you can eat soso much once you figure out what every food 'costs'
For example, yesterday I PIGGED out and ended up with 1458 calories!!!!!:
BREAKFAST (313 cal)
Oat Bran Oatmeal, 2 slices reduced fat american cheese, and coffee with 1% milk + splenda
EARLY LUNCH (370 cal)
egg salad sandwhich, coffee
AFTERNOON SNACK (490 cal)
chocolate danish (yes, i overly exaggerate calories in these kind of foods cuz i feel like my body takes more calories out of sugary stuff than most pple)
DINNER (381 cal)
3oz 80% lean ground beef
large can of crushed tomatos
EXCERCISE (minus 96cal)
10 min rowing - moderate paced0 -
So those people who eat processed sugars and aren't overweight and are perfectly healthy and live until they are 90 years old.. are they aliens then?
it depends what you are taking about when you say processed sugars ?
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Um, the PROCESSED SUGARS YOU KEEP REFERRING TO.
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Um, the PROCESSED SUGARS YOU KEEP REFERRING TO.
So those people who eat processed sugars and aren't overweight and are perfectly healthy and live until they are 90 years old.. are they aliens then?
it depends what you are taking about when you say processed sugars ?
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lol
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I mean, seriously? He has to be a troll.0 -
For example, yesterday I PIGGED out and ended up with 1458 calories!!!!!:
1458 calories IS NOT pigging out, in fact for the majority of people that would be below BMR0 -
as i think we are being brainwashed by this terms calories,
you think a word is brainwashing you?
perhaps you are giving the word too much credit. Or perhaps you are easily manipulated. Or maybe nobody seems to understand your question.
(including yourself?)
its as simple as this
the word calories is very powerful,
as i said before it can make people become so obsessed that they count the calories and food that is actually not going to affect them in there weight loss efforts
for example they count the calories in fruit, and count the calories in salads, and count the calories in other good foods such as nuts and beans,
but when it comes to food that you buy in a box, they count calories as it being the same, but its not the same at all,
because of the processing of these types of foods it is not ideal to consume them
you have cereal in the morning, say fruit and fiber, and it has 15 grams of sugar in it, then you add the milk takes it to around 25 grams of sugar , it hits mid morning and you start to feel hungry again, this ever happen to anyone ? of course it has, its because you had a insulin spike, it this goes on all day long then no wonder you have to keep on eating more because your energy is low but insulin remains high its a cycle that most of us go through each day until we can decide to break this0 -
Gary Taubes and authors Volek & Phinney cover this in depth. (A calorie is NOT a calorie.) Studies of twins put on identical diets show big individual variances on weight gained on the same number of calories. Of course, many diet studies show this, but the twin studies are particularly interesting. Some people gain much more than others-- don't we all know this? -- but what is striking is that sets of twins differ just like individual persons, but the twins themselves each gain or lose IDENTICALLY. (They also put on weight in the same places -- another feature that varies among individuals.)
In the late 1970s the Food Pyramid was first published. It urged Americans to eat less fat and eat more grains. The latest research shows that, on average, Americans eat slightly fewer calories now than they did in the 70s. More importantly, Americans DO eat less fat and more grains now than in the 70s. Yet obesity (and diabetes 2) rates are far higher today. How can this be if calorie in / calorie out is all that counts?
First paragraph: energy out is also part of the energy balance
Second paragraph: ^^ditto ^^0 -
EXACTLY! what i am saying is i ate a LOT and it came out to barely any calories
i at a danish! plus I ate three normal sized meals. dinner i actually ate 4 bowlfuls of my stew and I felt stuffed.
last year, i was on dukans (a low carb diet) and looking back i was eating about 1200 calories a day, feeling starving, and not losing 0 -
LMAO.... RIGHT.....
the dude who started this post really wants to make a point... and that's great... but unfortunately the science of the Twinkie Diet (NOT AN ACTUAL DIET, BUT A SCIENCE EXPERIMENT TO PROVE THE POINT EVERYONE'S BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU, SIR WHO STARTED THIS POST) says that the bottom line, deciding factor, end of the line, no questions asked way to lose weight is:
EAT LESS CALORIES THAN YOU BURN.
Period.
That's it.
That's all.
Not saying that it's healthy, that you'll be satiated, or that your blood sugar will be properly regulated, but it is the truth.
Calories in < calories out = weight loss.0 -
Not to change the subject, but you you didn't eat a lot of food.EXACTLY! what i am saying is i ate a LOT and it came out to barely any calories
i at a danish! plus I ate three normal sized meals. dinner i actually ate 4 bowlfuls of my stew and I felt stuffed.
last year, i was on dukans (a low carb diet) and looking back i was eating about 1200 calories a day, feeling starving, and not losing
If that's pigging out, then I'm an elephant.0 -
I think where the original poster is getting confused as to the responses he is getting, is because he is discussing NUTRITION, whereas the rest of the community is just trying to reiterate that a caloric deficit will cause weight loss. This is a calorie counting website; people are using this method and seeing results. Getting into the whole endocrinological debate is not necessary; yes, I process a banana different from someone else because we have a different body chemistry. Yes, on a nutritional level, that banana may affect us differently. HOWEVER, it will NOT lead to weight gain as long as my calories "in" do not exceed my calories "out." Your argument does have some validity, and if you hadn't called everyone brainwashed, you would have gotten more respect (lol), but I am willing to bet that the majority of people (myself included) on the site are more interested in changing eating habits/losing weight, and not on the deeper aspects of health science.
Nutrition is deeper than weight loss...no one disagrees when you say that eating 1000 calories of twinkies will affect you differently than 1000 calories of kale. But you stated that eating the twinkies will cause weight gain and the kale wont. If you are over your calorie counts, you will gain whether you eat veggies or twinkies. Now, if you had stated that 1000 calories of twinkies may make you feel sick, quesy, and lethargic, while veggies may not, you would have had a leg to stand on. But again, a caloric deficit, no matter WHAT you eat will lead to weight loss...maybe not health...but weight loss, which is what this forum is about.0 -
CONCLUSION :
ok, time to wrap this one up for good
the word calorie is used to help us to determine the fuel of foods that help us to feel satisfied with energy,
In my honest opinion I believe that you can get fuel from the processed food, but this is not the healthy option for our body's because our body will get a higher amount of energy at once than it was created to handle, it seems that we all have our strengths and weaknesses in dealing with this kind of man made foods that come in a box
i find it very sad for people who may be trying very hard to lose weight and count calories, but they cant seem to lose weight, this could be related to there insulin response and how well there body will react to the amount of sugar we throw at it,
so the best advice i could give is that try and cut down on your processed intake of sugars and try to get the healthy sugars that came in nature, not in a box
I am not going to discuss this any further, we all have our take on this subject and could talk about this from now until the end of time
if you are having a hard time losing weight then you could be on your way to type 2 diabetes, this is a serious problem and you should consider changing your diet to reduce the insulin resistance in your body0 -
Its science. A calorie is a measurement term for energy. food has energy potential that is unleashed by the body. Ten calories...is ten calories, whether its ice cream or celery. Now...nutrition is another ballgame.0
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In my honest opinion I believe that you can get fuel from the processed food, but this is not the healthy option for our body's because our body will get a higher amount of energy at once than it was created to handle,
So...it's just your opinion then?0 -
the dude who started this post really wants to make a point... and that's great... but unfortunately the science of the Twinkie Diet (NOT AN ACTUAL DIET, BUT A SCIENCE EXPERIMENT TO PROVE THE POINT EVERYONE'S BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU, SiR WHO STARTED THIS POST) says that the bottom line, deciding factor, end of the line, no questions asked way to lose weight is:
EAT LESS CALORIES THAN YOU BURN.
Period.
That's it.
That's all.
Not saying that it's healthy, that you'll be satiated, or that your blood sugar will be properly regulated, but it is the truth.
Calories in < calories out = weight loss.
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as i said, the reason i think this worked for him could have been the fiber intake with the nuts, it could have had a cleaning effect inside the colon scraping all of his waste matter that was built up over the years, nuts are a great way to get rid of your build up of fecal matter in the colon, this is my take on it0 -
This is why we shouldn't read Taubes, ladies and gentelemen.0
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In my honest opinion I believe that you can get fuel from the processed food, but this is not the healthy option for our body's because our body will get a higher amount of energy at once than it was created to handle,
So...it's just your opinion then?
think about it, cant you see it makes sense ? we are not designed for this high sugar intake, the sugar that's processed has all the fiber stripped from it , so the absorption to the blood is faster0 -
In my honest opinion I believe that you can get fuel from the processed food, but this is not the healthy option for our body's because our body will get a higher amount of energy at once than it was created to handle,
So...it's just your opinion then?
think about it, cant you see it makes sense ? we are not designed for this high sugar intake, the sugar that's processed has all the fiber stripped from it , so the absorption to the blood is faster
I think everyone here will agree that eating refined sugar is not as ideal as eating the same amount of CALORIES from fruit. You will feel full longer, you get nutrients, etc.
Where you lost everyone is that you keep saying that you can lose weight by eating more calories as long as the food is "healthy" versus eating half that many CALORIES from "unhealthy" sources. That simply isn't true.0 -
Twinkies have nuts? We need our colons scraped out? Ouch.0
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I think everyone here will agree that eating refined sugar is not as ideal as eating the same amount of CALORIES from fruit. You will feel full longer, you get nutrients, etc.
Where you lost everyone is that you keep saying that you can lose weight by eating more calories as long as the food is "healthy" versus eating half that many CALORIES from "unhealthy" sources. That simply isn't true.
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ok, lets be more clear about this
if you where on a low calorie diet of say 1200 calories to lose weight
if you eat 1200 calories of junk food vs 1200 calories of good healthy foods
what results would you expect from these 2 diets ?
same result in weight loss ?
i don't agree at all
the 1200 calorie diet on the junk food would make you more hungry and it would eventually lead you to eat more than this
but the 1200 calorie diet on the healthy food would leave you satisfied
this is why they say diets dont work, because you are making the wrong decisions in what you place in your mouth, thats why they dont work, your eating the addictive foods that you just cant say no to , have to break the cycle0 -
I think everyone here will agree that eating refined sugar is not as ideal as eating the same amount of CALORIES from fruit. You will feel full longer, you get nutrients, etc.
Where you lost everyone is that you keep saying that you can lose weight by eating more calories as long as the food is "healthy" versus eating half that many CALORIES from "unhealthy" sources. That simply isn't true.
ok, lets be more clear about this
if you where on a low calorie diet of say 1200 calories to lose weight
if you eat 1200 calories of junk food vs 1200 calories of good healthy foods
what results would you expect from these 2 diets ?
same result in weight loss ?
i don't agree at all
And I feel sorry for anyone who eats 1200 calories. You have no point anyway, I can have a week of eating 1810 cals a day of healthy food and a week of eating 1810 calories of rubbish (that fits my macros, I don't track sugar) and lose precisely the same amount of weight0 -
I think everyone here will agree that eating refined sugar is not as ideal as eating the same amount of CALORIES from fruit. You will feel full longer, you get nutrients, etc.
Where you lost everyone is that you keep saying that you can lose weight by eating more calories as long as the food is "healthy" versus eating half that many CALORIES from "unhealthy" sources. That simply isn't true.
ok, lets be more clear about this
if you where on a low calorie diet of say 1200 calories to lose weight
if you eat 1200 calories of junk food vs 1200 calories of good healthy foods
what results would you expect from these 2 diets ?
same result in weight loss ?
i don't agree at all
Now, I can partially agree. However, the difference is going to be from the assumption that you aren't getting enough essential nutrients from the junk food, so you are losing a lot of lean body mass, which affects your metabolism over a long period of time. In the short term, the weight loss will be very similar if you adjust for water weight, bowel weight (eww, did I just type that?!), etc.0 -
Twinkies have nuts? We need our colons scraped out? Ouch.
[Insert Inappropriate Colon Scraping/Twinkie/Nuts comment here. Segue into vulgar creme-filled Twinkie innuendo]0 -
If you're getting a good amount of ok protein in your 'junk food', why would you loose LBM eating junk food, but not eating non-junk food?
I thought it was fairly well considered that protein was the important factor there.0 -
If you're getting a good amount of ok protein in your 'junk food', why would you loose LBM eating junk food, but not eating non-junk food?
I thought it was fairly well considered that protein was the important factor there.
That was my assumption - essential nutrients = protein. Besides, he's not even mentioned protein in this thread I don't think. It has all been about sugar. White sugar to be exact. Brown sugar seems to be in the clear!0 -
Not sure how calories are supposed to be some kind of diet industry ploy given that they are a scientific unit of measurement? If they are merely fad diet propaganda, my college biology tutor must have been in on the conspiracy too.0
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ok, lets be more clear about this
if you where on a low calorie diet of say 1200 calories to lose weight
if you eat 1200 calories of junk food vs 1200 calories of good healthy foods
what results would you expect from these 2 diets ?
same result in weight loss ?
i don't agree at all
the 1200 calorie diet on the junk food would make you more hungry and it would eventually lead you to eat more than this
but the 1200 calorie diet on the healthy food would leave you satisfied
this is why they say diets dont work, because you are making the wrong decisions in what you place in your mouth, thats why they dont work, your eating the addictive foods that you just cant say no to , have to break the cycle
But if you eat more, then you wouldnt be on a 1200 calorie diet any more. Don't get psychology confused with y'know .. math. Eating more (for whatever reason) means you're not eating the 1200. So your example is simply wrong.
1200 is 1200 is 1200 is 1200. 1200 Calories Lard = 1200 Calories Sugar = 1200 Calories lettuce.
Your point is NOT that 1200 calories of junk is somehow more or less fattening than 1200 calories of "good" food. Your point is if you make unwise choices with your 1200, you'll be more likely to cheat. Stop trying to change the word calorie because it doesn;t fit into some mystical mumbo-jumbo you want to spout.0 -
If you're getting a good amount of ok protein in your 'junk food', why would you loose LBM eating junk food, but not eating non-junk food?
I thought it was fairly well considered that protein was the important factor there.
That was my assumption - essential nutrients = protein. Besides, he's not even mentioned protein in this thread I don't think. It has all been about sugar. White sugar to be exact. Brown sugar seems to be in the clear!
here are the list of foods that you should consume as a healthy human being
lentils, beans, sweet potatoes, potatoes, almonds, nuts, salads, fruits,
you get protein in lentils, nuts, fruits,
eat clean fuel for your body , and weight loss is easy,
with proper water consumption also, 3-4 liters a day
enough said,0
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