Bacon (to eat or not to eat)
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Context and dosage. Context and dosage.It's not just the govt that thinks eating too much bacon or other cured meats or meats high in saturated fat can have health consequences.
Dosage? As in "too much"? Although according to the American Institute for Cancer Research, there is no safe amount of cured meats, including bacon.
http://preventcancer.aicr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=elements_red_processed_meat
I forget the exact amount too have an intake of nitrates above the level studies have found correlation to increased cancer, but I beleive it was something like the equivalent to 45lbs of deli meats for a 200lb man or something of that nature
The AICR says "Research shows that any amount of processed meat is linked to increased risk of colorectal cancer." The site does not say how much the icrease is.0 -
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1.Pork is very fattening. Pork is one of the fattiest meats that you can consume. Eating pork continually will pack on the pounds much faster as compared with eating other lean meats like chicken and turkey. If you like bacon you're better off switching to turkey bacon as it is a healthier alternative.
This is only true if you are eating large amounts of just bacon...aka...going over your calories.
Fat does not make you fat.0 -
Context and dosage. Context and dosage.It's not just the govt that thinks eating too much bacon or other cured meats or meats high in saturated fat can have health consequences.
Dosage? As in "too much"? Although according to the American Institute for Cancer Research, there is no safe amount of cured meats, including bacon.
http://preventcancer.aicr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=elements_red_processed_meat
I forget the exact amount too have an intake of nitrates above the level studies have found correlation to increased cancer, but I beleive it was something like the equivalent to 45lbs of deli meats for a 200lb man or something of that nature
The AICR says "Research shows that any amount of processed meat is linked to increased risk of colorectal cancer." The site does not say how much the icrease is.
Consuming 3.5 ounces
of processed meat every day (24.5 ounces per
week) increased the risk of colorectal cancer
by 36 percent when compared to someone
who eats no processed meat.
www.aicr.org/assets/docs/pdf/.../ScienceNow37-Summer-2011.pdf
So that equates to 80lbs of deli meats a yr0 -
Context and dosage. Context and dosage.It's not just the govt that thinks eating too much bacon or other cured meats or meats high in saturated fat can have health consequences.
Dosage? As in "too much"? Although according to the American Institute for Cancer Research, there is no safe amount of cured meats, including bacon.
http://preventcancer.aicr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=elements_red_processed_meat
I forget the exact amount too have an intake of nitrates above the level studies have found correlation to increased cancer, but I beleive it was something like the equivalent to 45lbs of deli meats for a 200lb man or something of that nature
The AICR says "Research shows that any amount of processed meat is linked to increased risk of colorectal cancer." The site does not say how much the icrease is.
Consuming 3.5 ounces
of processed meat every day (24.5 ounces per
week) increased the risk of colorectal cancer
by 36 percent when compared to someone
who eats no processed meat.
www.aicr.org/assets/docs/pdf/.../ScienceNow37-Summer-2011.pdf
So that equates to 80lbs of deli meats a yr
Or a couple of slices of bacon per day. That's actually surprising to me. I didn't realize the increased risk was so high.0 -
Bacon is delicious. I don't eat it all the time because I don't enjoy it in its own, weird I know. It's a bit too salty for me. Its a must for me with massive breakfasts and on burgers and pizza.0
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Context and dosage. Context and dosage.It's not just the govt that thinks eating too much bacon or other cured meats or meats high in saturated fat can have health consequences.
Dosage? As in "too much"? Although according to the American Institute for Cancer Research, there is no safe amount of cured meats, including bacon.
http://preventcancer.aicr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=elements_red_processed_meat
I forget the exact amount too have an intake of nitrates above the level studies have found correlation to increased cancer, but I beleive it was something like the equivalent to 45lbs of deli meats for a 200lb man or something of that nature
The AICR says "Research shows that any amount of processed meat is linked to increased risk of colorectal cancer." The site does not say how much the icrease is.
Consuming 3.5 ounces
of processed meat every day (24.5 ounces per
week) increased the risk of colorectal cancer
by 36 percent when compared to someone
who eats no processed meat.
www.aicr.org/assets/docs/pdf/.../ScienceNow37-Summer-2011.pdf
So that equates to 80lbs of deli meats a yr
Or a couple of slices of bacon per day. That's actually surprising to me. I didn't realize the increased risk was so high.
http://www.dietandcancerreport.org/expert_report/index.php0 -
For everyone that is claiming that bacon is really fatty and the fat you eat makes you fat, a thought experiment for you.
Since 1900, two really significant things have changed in the American diet.
1. American consumption of sugar has increased 30 fold on an annual basis, from 5 lbs to 150 lbs, per capita.
2. Americans have reduced their fat consumption due to FDA, AHA, AMA, etc. guidelines dramatically.
Over that same time period we have gone from a measurable approximately 5% of the population is obese to well over 20%, type II diabetes, heart disease, and all of the other issues associated with obesity have also gone through the roof. The cause of all of those things is almost certainly obesity. Now, ask yourself, what is the cause of obesity? If we are eating less fat and more sugar and getting more and more obese .... ?
Hmmmmm, perhaps it's not bacon that is the issue. Eat bacon to your heart's content, as long as you aren't over eating calories in general. Saturated fats are not what is making us obese, nor what is causing our diabetes and heart disease problems. It's sugar that is the real enemy.0 -
Context and dosage. Context and dosage.It's not just the govt that thinks eating too much bacon or other cured meats or meats high in saturated fat can have health consequences.
Dosage? As in "too much"? Although according to the American Institute for Cancer Research, there is no safe amount of cured meats, including bacon.
http://preventcancer.aicr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=elements_red_processed_meat
I forget the exact amount too have an intake of nitrates above the level studies have found correlation to increased cancer, but I beleive it was something like the equivalent to 45lbs of deli meats for a 200lb man or something of that nature
The AICR says "Research shows that any amount of processed meat is linked to increased risk of colorectal cancer." The site does not say how much the icrease is.
I don't trust them as a source either. They are as bad as the Susan G. Kohmen Foundation - making money off the suffering of others. They aren't trying to prevent/cure cancer. At all.0 -
The boys and girls running big agriculture (and receiving huge amounts of subsidies from the Fed Gov) have a vested interest in not changing our dietary patterns. Take a look at who is funding pharmacy, and the various health associations, like AICR. It's eye opening.I don't trust them as a source either. They are as bad as the Susan G. Kohmen Foundation - making money off the suffering of others. They aren't trying to prevent/cure cancer. At all.0 -
GASP! Never deny the bacon. Worship this pig!:glasses:0
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Context and dosage. Context and dosage.It's not just the govt that thinks eating too much bacon or other cured meats or meats high in saturated fat can have health consequences.
Dosage? As in "too much"? Although according to the American Institute for Cancer Research, there is no safe amount of cured meats, including bacon.
http://preventcancer.aicr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=elements_red_processed_meat
Yes Context and Dosage.
The study wasn't a study of this issue but a review of other studies. Those other studies weren't studies about processed meat and cancer... just studies that included dietary information and health information.
Correlation does not imply causation
I'm not claiming nitrates are good for anyone but I would put the study in context. Processed meats got the press but here is a chart showing all items that the study of studies had conclusions on.
http://preventcancer.aicr.org/new/images/photos/various/Megamatrix-1620x1024.jpg
Most studies in this area rely on food journals and not verifiable diets.
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That's awesome. I'm stealing it.
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Skip the toast and eat the bacon.
Also, as to the alleged trichinosis issue, even the USDA now agrees that pork (such as chops) does not need to be cooked until it tastes like leather.
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/news/NR_052411_01/index.asp
A little pinkish center is fine.
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^^^^ This!0
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The boys and girls running big agriculture (and receiving huge amounts of subsidies from the Fed Gov) have a vested interest in not changing our dietary patterns. Take a look at who is funding pharmacy, and the various health associations, like AICR. It's eye opening.I don't trust them as a source either. They are as bad as the Susan G. Kohmen Foundation - making money off the suffering of others. They aren't trying to prevent/cure cancer. At all.
Actually, I already have. I am actually an activist IRL, working to end the drug war specificially, but would *LOVE* to end the food and drug cartel for good. :flowerforyou:0 -
Try Turkey Bacon it is really good and low in sodium and fat. I like the Butterball Turkey Bacon it's only 25 Calories a slice and no sodium or carbs. great with boil eggs and a piece of toast.0
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Personally, I don't eat bacon or most meats with pork (I've got a weakness for salami though). It's not because it's a "dirty" animal, it's because I just can't stand the smell/taste/texture, etc. of most pork (or meat in general for that matter), though I'm in no way a vegetarian lol
Anyway, eating bacon shouldn't affect your diet drastically if you moderate how much you eat. A Sunday treat is good, a few times a week with breakfast is good. Just don't have it every meal and you'll be just fine lol0 -
that will only happen by ending the unholy subsidizing of agriculture by the federal government. Congress, USDA, HHS, FDA and all of big Ag and big Pharma are completely captured into a Agri-Drug-Gov Industrial complex that is far worse than the supposed Military Industrial complex ever has been. Take away government power and money to build that complex and watch what happens as they all suddenly have to compete on equal footing.Actually, I already have. I am actually an activist IRL, working to end the drug war specificially, but would *LOVE* to end the food and drug cartel for good
Based on what I have learned over the years, Congress subsidizing certain sorts of agriculture (corn lobby, for example) and empowering the FDA is exactly what is to blame for our health and obesity epidemics today. Of course, big pharma, HHS, etc. have a vested interest in not fixing that problem ...0 -
that will only happen by ending the unholy subsidizing of agriculture by the federal government. Congress, USDA, HHS, FDA and all of big Ag and big Pharma are completely captured into a Agri-Drug-Gov Industrial complex that is far worse than the supposed Military Industrial complex ever has been. Take away government power and money to build that complex and watch what happens as they all suddenly have to compete on equal footing.Actually, I already have. I am actually an activist IRL, working to end the drug war specificially, but would *LOVE* to end the food and drug cartel for good
Based on what I have learned over the years, Congress subsidizing certain sorts of agriculture (corn lobby, for example) and empowering the FDA is exactly what is to blame for our health and obesity epidemics today. Of course, big pharma, HHS, etc. have a vested interest in not fixing that problem ...
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Why on earth refuse to eat turkey bacon? Its the shiz. 35 calories a slice! I like it more than regular bacon now- but i like mine flat and crispie. I even put it on pizza
I don't like it. Its not the same as pork bacon. I'm sure its a cool substitute for some people.0 -
Really? So it's not your fault and my fault for eating too much and not getting off our fat *kitten*? Gov't did it? Well hell that makes me feel better.
that will only happen by ending the unholy subsidizing of agriculture by the federal government. Congress, USDA, HHS, FDA and all of big Ag and big Pharma are completely captured into a Agri-Drug-Gov Industrial complex that is far worse than the supposed Military Industrial complex ever has been. Take away government power and money to build that complex and watch what happens as they all suddenly have to compete on equal footing.Actually, I already have. I am actually an activist IRL, working to end the drug war specificially, but would *LOVE* to end the food and drug cartel for good
Based on what I have learned over the years, Congress subsidizing certain sorts of agriculture (corn lobby, for example) and empowering the FDA is exactly what is to blame for our health and obesity epidemics today. Of course, big pharma, HHS, etc. have a vested interest in not fixing that problem ...0 -
For everyone that is claiming that bacon is really fatty and the fat you eat makes you fat, a thought experiment for you.
Since 1900, two really significant things have changed in the American diet.
1. American consumption of sugar has increased 30 fold on an annual basis, from 5 lbs to 150 lbs, per capita.
2. Americans have reduced their fat consumption due to FDA, AHA, AMA, etc. guidelines dramatically.
Over that same time period we have gone from a measurable approximately 5% of the population is obese to well over 20%, type II diabetes, heart disease, and all of the other issues associated with obesity have also gone through the roof. The cause of all of those things is almost certainly obesity. Now, ask yourself, what is the cause of obesity? If we are eating less fat and more sugar and getting more and more obese .... ?
Hmmmmm, perhaps it's not bacon that is the issue. Eat bacon to your heart's content, as long as you aren't over eating calories in general. Saturated fats are not what is making us obese, nor what is causing our diabetes and heart disease problems. It's sugar that is the real enemy.
I'm sure we haven't gotten more sedentary either...0 -
sigh, missing the point ... as do most about this topic. I didn't say you aren't individually responsible. I did say that the obesity epidemic directly correlates with the increase in sugar consumption (not just the white refined stuff, all sugars). We are talking health issues at a macro level here and you want to conflate that with your individual responsibility. Two different things entirely.Really? So it's not your fault and my fault for eating too much and not getting off our fat *kitten*? Gov't did it? Well hell that makes me feel better.0 -
Oh nooooo. I'm sure that all the automation in our life (and the resultant increasingly sedentary lifestyle) has nothing whatsoever to do with increased obesity. Remote-controlled everything, driving everywhere instead of walking, machinery replacing manual labor, kids sitting on the computer playing games instead of being outside riding bicycles and playing street football, physical education programs and team sports being cut in schools....noooo, it's none of that. It's just sugar. Sugar is the debil.I'm sure we haven't gotten more sedentary either...
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People have gotten much more sedentary as well. I'm sure you're not out on a field toiling for 12 hours a day.
sigh, missing the point ... as do most about this topic. I didn't say you aren't individually responsible. I did say that the obesity epidemic directly correlates with the increase in sugar consumption (not just the white refined stuff, all sugars). We are talking health issues at a macro level here and you want to conflate that with your individual responsibility. Two different things entirely.Really? So it's not your fault and my fault for eating too much and not getting off our fat *kitten*? Gov't did it? Well hell that makes me feel better.
And they are not two different things entirely. They are totally connected, in fact. If people on an individual level won't make an effort to become healthier, then what the hell do you think is going to happen on a "macro" level.0 -
Well, all the govt funded research is paying off. Have fun.
For those who love bacon, I leave you with this parting thought:
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Really? So it's not your fault and my fault for eating too much and not getting off our fat *kitten*? Gov't did it? Well hell that makes me feel better.
that will only happen by ending the unholy subsidizing of agriculture by the federal government. Congress, USDA, HHS, FDA and all of big Ag and big Pharma are completely captured into a Agri-Drug-Gov Industrial complex that is far worse than the supposed Military Industrial complex ever has been. Take away government power and money to build that complex and watch what happens as they all suddenly have to compete on equal footing.Actually, I already have. I am actually an activist IRL, working to end the drug war specificially, but would *LOVE* to end the food and drug cartel for good
Based on what I have learned over the years, Congress subsidizing certain sorts of agriculture (corn lobby, for example) and empowering the FDA is exactly what is to blame for our health and obesity epidemics today. Of course, big pharma, HHS, etc. have a vested interest in not fixing that problem ...
Are you kidding me?0 -
of course not. The FDA food pyramid that governs any government funded nutrition program in the country, the "health association" research programs funded with taxpayer dollars, the subsidizing specifically of grain/cereal crops, the fact that the US is known as Uncle Sugar because we used military force to control Caribbean sugar production and keep it ultra-cheap. All of this has no bearing on the idea that if we just would stop eating so many calories and get up and do a few jumping jacks, voila the US obesity epidemic would be over!Are you kidding me?
Nor does it appear that there is any willngness to understand that Americans used to eat 5 lbs of sugar annually and had less than 5% obesity rates in the general population. By sugar, we mean all sources of sugar, not just white, refined sugar. All carb type foods contain sugar. Today, the average American consumes 150 lbs of sugar annually, 30 times as much as in 1900. And we have a population with more than 20% obesity, nearly 60% overweight, horrific childhood obesity issues. But let's not change the subsidy of carb, grain and sugar production. Let's just blame it all on individuals
If people would revert to a diet containing between 5 and 10 lbs of sugar on an annual basis, they would lose the weight. But, that is practically impossible if you eat any sort of processed foods. We end up buying all our food stuff in "from the farm" form just because of that problem. By doing that, and eliminating grains, mostly, I have cut my sugar intake to an average of 100 grams a week, or about 5 kg a year, approximately 10 lbs a year. I have sustained that since June, 2012 without a serious problem and have lost significant weight and body fat during that time.
My fat intake is high, but it is primarily saturated fats and lots of medium chain triglycerides. I have virtually eliminated lecithin, gluten and AGG from my diet. And ALL of my health indicators are drastically improved. Bacon is a core part of what I eat (although the bacon I eat is organic to avoid the industrialized food issues: antibiotics, hormones, soy products used in the curing process, etc). There is absolutely nothing bad about bacon.
Bowing out of this thread now and leaving the calorie in/out, get more exercise, personal responsibility crowd to their own devices.0 -
BACOOOOOOOON!0
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