No More TDEE posts

If I can lose weight at 1800 kcal/per day, why would I want to eat 1500 which is just under my BMR? I am in no rush.

Now IF, on the other, hand is a valid plan. Is this what you are thinking of?

IF must throw these people off their gourds.

I eat TDEE - 500 every day to lose weight. Some IF plans include an occasional fast day where you eat almost no calories! Some include days every week where you eat 500 or fewer.

I wonder what the "never below BMR ever" people would say about these IF plans, many of which have proven to be very successful.

No, of course you won't survive for 70 days, but you have enough energy stored in those 30 lbs of fat to last you the 70 days. That's all I'm saying.

Wait, are you implying that just because he says I won't survive for 70 days, but I have enough energy to survive for 70 days, that he doesn't know what he's talking about?!?!

No. The poster said "I'm at 13% and weigh 172 lbs so my body is carrying around something like 40 days of BMR energy."

He does. He has enough energy (calories) in his fat mass to account for 40 days worth of BMR. No one said you could survive 70 days on fat mass alone.

No, of course you won't survive for 70 days, but you have enough energy stored in those 30 lbs of fat to last you the 70 days. That's all I'm saying.

Wait, are you implying that just because he says I won't survive for 70 days, but I have enough energy to survive for 70 days, that he doesn't know what he's talking about?!?!

No. The poster said "I'm at 13% and weigh 172 lbs so my body is carrying around something like 40 days of BMR energy."

He does. He has enough energy (calories) in his fat mass to account for 40 days worth of BMR. No one said you could survive 70 days on fat mass alone.

You brought 70 pounds into this with your words.

I'm really, really hoping you're a troll account. Otherwise, holy **** we need to pay teachers more.

This whole thread has def helped me. I hope the "Road Trip" story was clear enough for those considering eating below BMR. My initial thought was that eating below BMR on occasion is no big deal if weekly averages are above BMR. The Road Trip story made me rethink that. WHen a car runs out of gas, it comes to a SCREECHING halt and nothing can make it run again except more gas. For fuel injected engines, you also need to do some damage repair. (Hubby owns a shop LOL). Perhaps it wouldn't do any damage or make a difference but why chance it? Healthy weight loss is the goal.

OP, I came to a similar conclusion as you. I set my cals to BMR about a month ago. Still struggling with the whole mental thing. I like to see cals burned so I eat back exercise calories. Last week, I ate over quite a bit and still lost a little. This week, I am starving! I also feel lighter. FOr the first time, I feel I am on the right track. I really feel like my metabolism has finally begun catching up. Please correct me if you think I am wrong. This is all a learning experience for me. I would much rather be corrected now than find later I was wrong.

One other car comparison. I was talking to my daughter about HIIT. Hubby is a cardio buff. He does lift weights but puts more credence on cardio. He said that you have to get your heart rate up and keep it up - i.e. steady state cardio. He said HIIT doesn't make sense because when you turn an engine off, it's harder on it. That's why truckers keep their engines idling when they stop for short periods. It took me 2 hours but I did finally rebut! When you are driving your car at a steady state then rev the engine, your RPMs go way up and you burn more gas. HIIT is not stopping the engine. It is reving the engine, thus burning more gas (fat). I was proud of that since my hubby is ALWAYS right! He just laughed and had no rebuttal!!

The problem is that your body is not a car and the OP is probably carry 2 weeks worth of gas in her tank at all times (her fat reserves). Therefore nothing is coming to a screeching halt until you get to very low BF%. I'm at 13% and weigh 172 lbs so my body is carrying around something like 40 days of BMR energy. Plenty safe to occasionally eat below BMR as long as my daily deficit is not too high given the amount I need to lose.

Wait, are you saying your body has enough "bmr energy" to sustain you for 40 days without adding "fuel to the tank"?

This whole thread has def helped me. I hope the "Road Trip" story was clear enough for those considering eating below BMR. My initial thought was that eating below BMR on occasion is no big deal if weekly averages are above BMR. The Road Trip story made me rethink that. WHen a car runs out of gas, it comes to a SCREECHING halt and nothing can make it run again except more gas. For fuel injected engines, you also need to do some damage repair. (Hubby owns a shop LOL). Perhaps it wouldn't do any damage or make a difference but why chance it? Healthy weight loss is the goal.

OP, I came to a similar conclusion as you. I set my cals to BMR about a month ago. Still struggling with the whole mental thing. I like to see cals burned so I eat back exercise calories. Last week, I ate over quite a bit and still lost a little. This week, I am starving! I also feel lighter. FOr the first time, I feel I am on the right track. I really feel like my metabolism has finally begun catching up. Please correct me if you think I am wrong. This is all a learning experience for me. I would much rather be corrected now than find later I was wrong.

One other car comparison. I was talking to my daughter about HIIT. Hubby is a cardio buff. He does lift weights but puts more credence on cardio. He said that you have to get your heart rate up and keep it up - i.e. steady state cardio. He said HIIT doesn't make sense because when you turn an engine off, it's harder on it. That's why truckers keep their engines idling when they stop for short periods. It took me 2 hours but I did finally rebut! When you are driving your car at a steady state then rev the engine, your RPMs go way up and you burn more gas. HIIT is not stopping the engine. It is reving the engine, thus burning more gas (fat). I was proud of that since my hubby is ALWAYS right! He just laughed and had no rebuttal!!

The problem is that your body is not a car and the OP is probably carry 2 weeks worth of gas in her tank at all times (her fat reserves). Therefore nothing is coming to a screeching halt until you get to very low BF%. I'm at 13% and weigh 172 lbs so my body is carrying around something like 40 days of BMR energy. Plenty safe to occasionally eat below BMR as long as my daily deficit is not too high given the amount I need to lose.

Wait, are you saying your body has enough "bmr energy" to sustain you for 40 days without adding "fuel to the tank"?

22 lbs of fat x 3500 kcal/lb / 1762 (BMR in kcal/day) = 43 days of stored energy. So yes that much is stored. Your body is smart and designed for lean times. A couple of days below BMR is not going to hurt the OP.

No, of course you won't survive for 70 days, but you have enough energy stored in those 30 lbs of fat to last you the 70 days. That's all I'm saying.

Wait, are you implying that just because he says I won't survive for 70 days, but I have enough energy to survive for 70 days, that he doesn't know what he's talking about?!?!

No. The poster said "I'm at 13% and weigh 172 lbs so my body is carrying around something like 40 days of BMR energy."

He does. He has enough energy (calories) in his fat mass to account for 40 days worth of BMR. No one said you could survive 70 days on fat mass alone.

You brought 70 pounds into this with your words.

I'm really, really hoping you're a troll account. Otherwise, holy **** we need to pay teachers more.

Where's the confusion? 30 lbs of fat mass accounts for enough energy for 70 days of BMR in my example.

You won't live 70 days with no food because the body needs more than just energy.

What's the problem?

So if the fat mass isn't enough to survive on, why should it be enough to get by on any other time? I feel like we're going around in circles. At this point I'm just replying becasue I'm bored.

Also, this is now a gif thread.

No, of course you won't survive for 70 days, but you have enough energy stored in those 30 lbs of fat to last you the 70 days. That's all I'm saying.

Wait, are you implying that just because he says I won't survive for 70 days, but I have enough energy to survive for 70 days, that he doesn't know what he's talking about?!?!

No. The poster said "I'm at 13% and weigh 172 lbs so my body is carrying around something like 40 days of BMR energy."

He does. He has enough energy (calories) in his fat mass to account for 40 days worth of BMR. No one said you could survive 70 days on fat mass alone.

GIF THREAD!

This whole thread has def helped me. I hope the "Road Trip" story was clear enough for those considering eating below BMR. My initial thought was that eating below BMR on occasion is no big deal if weekly averages are above BMR. The Road Trip story made me rethink that. WHen a car runs out of gas, it comes to a SCREECHING halt and nothing can make it run again except more gas. For fuel injected engines, you also need to do some damage repair. (Hubby owns a shop LOL). Perhaps it wouldn't do any damage or make a difference but why chance it? Healthy weight loss is the goal.

OP, I came to a similar conclusion as you. I set my cals to BMR about a month ago. Still struggling with the whole mental thing. I like to see cals burned so I eat back exercise calories. Last week, I ate over quite a bit and still lost a little. This week, I am starving! I also feel lighter. FOr the first time, I feel I am on the right track. I really feel like my metabolism has finally begun catching up. Please correct me if you think I am wrong. This is all a learning experience for me. I would much rather be corrected now than find later I was wrong.

One other car comparison. I was talking to my daughter about HIIT. Hubby is a cardio buff. He does lift weights but puts more credence on cardio. He said that you have to get your heart rate up and keep it up - i.e. steady state cardio. He said HIIT doesn't make sense because when you turn an engine off, it's harder on it. That's why truckers keep their engines idling when they stop for short periods. It took me 2 hours but I did finally rebut! When you are driving your car at a steady state then rev the engine, your RPMs go way up and you burn more gas. HIIT is not stopping the engine. It is reving the engine, thus burning more gas (fat). I was proud of that since my hubby is ALWAYS right! He just laughed and had no rebuttal!!

The problem is that your body is not a car and the OP is probably carry 2 weeks worth of gas in her tank at all times (her fat reserves). Therefore nothing is coming to a screeching halt until you get to very low BF%. I'm at 13% and weigh 172 lbs so my body is carrying around something like 40 days of BMR energy. Plenty safe to occasionally eat below BMR as long as my daily deficit is not too high given the amount I need to lose.

Wait, are you saying your body has enough "bmr energy" to sustain you for 40 days without adding "fuel to the tank"?

22 lbs of fat x 3500 kcal/lb / 1762 (BMR in kcal/day) = 43 days of stored energy. So yes that much is stored. Your body is smart and designed for lean times. A couple of days below BMR is not going to hurt the OP.

This guy is promoting eating below your BMR as a way to lose weight. As a diet. Not just a couple of days. Everyone is going to go below BMR every once in a while. It's inevitable. Doing it intentionally is dumb though.

TDEE is not something you can gather from a simple Online calculator. It's something that took me months to learn by trial and error, when I hit maintenance.

Eating at a deficit was easy for me, when I didn't have an exact number to hit. If I lost weight, I knew I was eating at a defiicit - I just didn't know how much.

When I no longer needed to lose any more, I had to increase my calories. As I did this, I lost another 10 lbs because I wasn't eating enough. When I finally increased them to 2000 per day, that's when the weight loss stopped, so I knew I had hit my TDEE.

Everybody's TDEE is different, and it's not something you can calculate by height, weight and gender.