Eating Carbs Protein Fat at once makes u fat?

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  • AntWrig
    AntWrig Posts: 2,273 Member
    Over consumption of calories makes you fat...not individual macro-nutrients, regardless of whether you eat them together, separate, or whatever...

    This is nonsense.

    If you eat nothing but fat, oil, lard, etc, say, 3000 calories a day you will LOSE weight.
    /Facepalm
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    Over consumption of calories makes you fat...not individual macro-nutrients, regardless of whether you eat them together, separate, or whatever...

    This is nonsense.

    If you eat nothing but fat, oil, lard, etc, say, 3000 calories a day you will LOSE weight.
    /Facepalm

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    If I ate 3000 calories per day, I'd gain a pound a week.
  • Change_is_Good_
    Change_is_Good_ Posts: 272 Member
    If I had to think that hard about my diet, I'd definitely just give up! I just try to eat healthy and stay within my calorie limit and it seems to be working

    Phew, someone I can understand ^^^^^ This is me
  • bdamaster60
    bdamaster60 Posts: 595 Member
    Over consumption of calories makes you fat...not individual macro-nutrients, regardless of whether you eat them together, separate, or whatever...

    This is nonsense.

    If you eat nothing but fat, oil, lard, etc, say, 3000 calories a day you will LOSE weight.

    I think you misunderstand what he is saying. You're saying the same thing, but you are making it look like you are disagreeing, that's where the WTF comes in.
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  • CoderGal
    CoderGal Posts: 6,800 Member
    Ok I tried searching the forums for this but it just kept talking about our ratios.
    My question is is eating protein and carbs at the same time a setup for fat storage.
    For example I can either eat. Fiber one bar or a Atkins bar.
    Same calories relatively same fats carbs both at 20g sugar is the same at 6g but of course the sugar alcohol is in the Atkins. There is 16g of protein in the Atkins and 1g in the fiber one. So normally id think protein however I am starting to think that eating all your macros at once can set you up for fat storage even if it is the holy protein. Sorry if I'm losing some of you.

    Extra calories set you up for fat storage. If you are in a deficit, you will not be holding on to fat.

    Fat doesn't make you fat. Carbs don't make you fat. Protein doesn't make you fat. Excess calories make you fat.

    Eat what you want, when you want.
    This. Avoiding fat completely is a terrible idea. Fat is what helps you absorb the nutrients in food since many of them are fat soluble. Avoiding essential nutrients is a surefire way to get seriously ill
  • CoderGal
    CoderGal Posts: 6,800 Member
    Over consumption of calories makes you fat...not individual macro-nutrients, regardless of whether you eat them together, separate, or whatever...

    This is nonsense.

    If you eat nothing but fat, oil, lard, etc, say, 3000 calories a day you will LOSE weight.
    Wow...366to266 can I ask you where you got this?
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Blah I figured it out for myself.
    The answer is high impact carbs and fat shouldn't go together because of the insulin response.
    Protein the jury is still out...I'm starting to wonder if the free aminos become a problem when they are in excess and can link up and be stored.
    Any other ideas feel free to comment, I know there are Millions of protein discussions so I'm off to read that now.

    ummm no and I sense a troll thread creeping on ...

    and what is a high impact carb? Is that like high impact aerobics?
  • Cr01502
    Cr01502 Posts: 3,614 Member
    Absolutely untrue. Insulin response really has nothing to do with fat storage.

    DUH?

    Even Wikipedia knows that one of the two MAIN functions of insulin is to store fat. That's metabolism 101 for dummies!

    This video explains all

    http://youtu.be/Yo3TRbkIrow

    as does this one

    http://youtu.be/T2K_ro2Lrxw

    I'm not sure you really grasp any of the concepts you talk about.

    Also responding to people with duh isn't really behaviour I would expect from someone over the age of 18.

    Insulin has a number of different functions it builds protein, BREAKSDOWN fats, and also yes, does stimulate lipogenis (the creation of fat).

    I saw you on a thread earlier rambling about how insulin was so bad for you . . . . I wonder since the only thing that doesn't seem to spike insulin all day is oil, butter, and grease, should I limit myself to only those items?

    Is this what you would call a healthy diet?

    Insulin is a completely normal, healthy metabolic process.

    Unused energy (calories) are stored as body fat. It's as simple as that.

    Stop scaremongering.
  • AntWrig
    AntWrig Posts: 2,273 Member
    Blah I figured it out for myself.
    The answer is high impact carbs and fat shouldn't go together because of the insulin response.
    Protein the jury is still out...I'm starting to wonder if the free aminos become a problem when they are in excess and can link up and be stored.
    Any other ideas feel free to comment, I know there are Millions of protein discussions so I'm off to read that now.

    ummm no and I sense a troll thread creeping on ...

    and what is a high impact carb? Is that like high impact aerobics?
    Lol
  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
    Absolutely untrue. Insulin response really has nothing to do with fat storage.

    DUH?

    Even Wikipedia knows that one of the two MAIN functions of insulin is to store fat. That's metabolism 101 for dummies!

    This video explains all

    http://youtu.be/Yo3TRbkIrow

    as does this one

    http://youtu.be/T2K_ro2Lrxw
    You're a little confused.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34mViApQiyE

    Start around 14:00

    Better yet, read this:

    http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

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  • FuzzyOatmeal
    FuzzyOatmeal Posts: 8
    (not to mention a host of other medical problems - ?constipation anyone)

    I think that you'd have the opposite effect from 100% butter..
  • cdvdsn
    cdvdsn Posts: 4 Member
    Why make things so difficult? Eat a balanced diet, lower in overall calories and high in filling, lower calorie foods (vegetables, fruit, whole grains). Find an exercise regime that you enjoy and do it.
  • AlexFryer
    AlexFryer Posts: 8
    Absolutely untrue. Insulin response really has nothing to do with fat storage.

    DUH?

    Even Wikipedia knows that one of the two MAIN functions of insulin is to store fat. That's metabolism 101 for dummies!

    This video explains all

    http://youtu.be/Yo3TRbkIrow

    as does this one

    http://youtu.be/T2K_ro2Lrxw
    You're a little confused.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34mViApQiyE

    Start around 14:00

    Better yet, read this:

    http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

    Great article.

    Avoid bars apart from the odd reward. They are promoted as a quick fix and are pure marketing, just look at the ingredients.

    Totally agree that you just need to choose between high carb + high protein OR high fat + high protein. Then make sure you aware of the calorie surplus/defecit depending on whether you want to put on or lose weight.

    If you want to gain weight while keeping fat down, keep sugar down to a minimum (that's glucose and fructose). I intake 450g of carbs a day and less than 70g from sugar (which are I only consume after workouts or first thing in the morning).
  • KarenJanine
    KarenJanine Posts: 3,497 Member
    (not to mention a host of other medical problems - ?constipation anyone)

    I think that you'd have the opposite effect from 100% butter..


    I don't fancy trying it to see which way things go, so to speak, but feel free if you're a willing volunteer :)
  • now_or_never13
    now_or_never13 Posts: 1,575 Member
    You get fat storage when you consume more calories than your body needs.

    Far too much misinformation is on the internet, on TV and everywhere.

    Complex carbs and protein at a meal can help you remain full fo rlonger as they both take longer to digest.

    No one macro will make you fat. Excess calories makes you gain.
  • jennkain97
    jennkain97 Posts: 290 Member
    Blah I figured it out for myself.
    The answer is high impact carbs and fat shouldn't go together because of the insulin response.
    Protein the jury is still out...I'm starting to wonder if the free aminos become a problem when they are in excess and can link up and be stored.
    Any other ideas feel free to comment, I know there are Millions of protein discussions so I'm off to read that now.
    If you are in a calorie deficit, whether or not something gets 'stored' you are still not eating as much as your body is burning, so it necessarily has to pull something out of storage in order to have fuel throughout the day. Whether you are burning the same stuff you just ate, or storing those specific molecules and burning off more of other molecules that were stored long ago, at the end of the day it's still the same result.

    Not really... your macros, and the timing of your exercise compared to those macros, will make a huge difference in whether you are burning fat or lean muscle tissue. You may still be losing weight, but the result is far from the same.
  • bdamaster60
    bdamaster60 Posts: 595 Member
    Why make things so difficult? Eat a balanced diet, lower in overall calories and high in filling, lower calorie foods (vegetables, fruit, whole grains). Find an exercise regime that you enjoy and do it.

    people say eat a balanced diet piss me off. I prefer eat to your desired out come. To me a 'balanced diet' is a phrase coming from people who don't know how to manipulate their macro-nutrient profiles to attain their desired effects.
  • FuzzyOatmeal
    FuzzyOatmeal Posts: 8
    I don't fancy trying it to see which way things go, so to speak, but feel free if you're a willing volunteer :)

    Well, I've put myself on a fat fast for a few days in the past, so I was speaking from experience somewhat x.X
  • TheVimFuego
    TheVimFuego Posts: 2,412 Member
    Not really... your macros, and the timing of your exercise compared to those macros, will make a huge difference in whether you are burning fat or lean muscle tissue. You may still be losing weight, but the result is far from the same.

    If you take into account the amount of time that it takes to fully digest anything (and how everything just turns into mush in the gut anyway, making the original question pointless) then 'macro timiing' on a meal to meal basis pre/post/during/whatever exercise starts to look like an exercise of over-complicating matters.

    I understand all the glycogen refilling and whatnot but really, does it make that much of a difference?

    Really? ;)
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Ok I tried searching the forums for this but it just kept talking about our ratios.
    My question is is eating protein and carbs at the same time a setup for fat storage.
    For example I can either eat. Fiber one bar or a Atkins bar.
    Same calories relatively same fats carbs both at 20g sugar is the same at 6g but of course the sugar alcohol is in the Atkins. There is 16g of protein in the Atkins and 1g in the fiber one. So normally id think protein however I am starting to think that eating all your macros at once can set you up for fat storage even if it is the holy protein. Sorry if I'm losing some of you.

    If you are in a deficit for the day, it really doesn't matter
  • KarenJanine
    KarenJanine Posts: 3,497 Member
    I don't fancy trying it to see which way things go, so to speak, but feel free if you're a willing volunteer :)

    Well, I've put myself on a fat fast for a few days in the past, so I was speaking from experience somewhat x.X


    o_0 I shall take your word for it then!
  • LiftAllThePizzas
    LiftAllThePizzas Posts: 17,857 Member
    Not really... your macros, and the timing of your exercise compared to those macros, will make a huge difference in whether you are burning fat or lean muscle tissue. You may still be losing weight, but the result is far from the same.

    If I train like a beast I will get fat because I didn't eat at the right time of day. Sounds legit.
  • servilia
    servilia Posts: 3,452 Member
    I don't fancy trying it to see which way things go, so to speak, but feel free if you're a willing volunteer :)

    Well, I've put myself on a fat fast for a few days in the past, so I was speaking from experience somewhat x.X

    Your loss in those few days of eating nothing but fat was water loss from totally eliminating carbs. Not proper weight loss from eating just fat. In the longer term, eating 3000 cals daily will result in weight gain unless of course your maintenance requirements are above that.
  • FuzzyOatmeal
    FuzzyOatmeal Posts: 8
    Your loss in those few days of eating nothing but fat was water loss from totally eliminating carbs. Not proper weight loss from eating just fat. In the longer term, eating 3000 cals daily will result in weight gain unless of course your maintenance requirements are above that.

    I had already been on a ketogenic diet for 5 months at the time, and had been stuck at a plateau for over a month-and-a-half. The fast was to break the plateau, which it did. It wasn't for quick weight loss, I just wanted to get below a weight I was tired of seeing. It worked wonderfully and I've been back to losing weight for over a month. So, it had the desired effect even if those 4 days did suck :)

    Though, to clarify, it was 90% fat at 1000 calories with 500 coming from butter and MCT oil (bulletproof coffee). Not 3k calories of straight up butter
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    Your loss in those few days of eating nothing but fat was water loss from totally eliminating carbs. Not proper weight loss from eating just fat. In the longer term, eating 3000 cals daily will result in weight gain unless of course your maintenance requirements are above that.

    I had already been on a ketogenic diet for 5 months at the time, and had been stuck at a plateau for over a month-and-a-half. The fast was to break the plateau, which it did. It wasn't for quick weight loss, I just wanted to get below a weight I was tired of seeing. It worked wonderfully and I've been back to losing weight for over a month. So, it had the desired effect even if those 4 days did suck :)

    Though, to clarify, it was 90% fat at 1000 calories with 500 coming from butter and MCT oil (bulletproof coffee). Not 3k calories of straight up butter

    my brain is exploding right now. how can anyone think that 90% fat is in ANY way healthy? if your Keto diet stalled out, it's because Ketogenic diets AREN'T sustainable long term, though there's nothing wrong with doing it for a short time (it mimics the winter months for a caveman)

    are you sure you're not doing more harm than good to your system? have you recently had your vitals checked or your vitamin levels?
  • thecakelocker
    thecakelocker Posts: 407 Member
    Your loss in those few days of eating nothing but fat was water loss from totally eliminating carbs. Not proper weight loss from eating just fat. In the longer term, eating 3000 cals daily will result in weight gain unless of course your maintenance requirements are above that.

    I had already been on a ketogenic diet for 5 months at the time, and had been stuck at a plateau for over a month-and-a-half. The fast was to break the plateau, which it did. It wasn't for quick weight loss, I just wanted to get below a weight I was tired of seeing. It worked wonderfully and I've been back to losing weight for over a month. So, it had the desired effect even if those 4 days did suck :)

    Though, to clarify, it was 90% fat at 1000 calories with 500 coming from butter and MCT oil (bulletproof coffee). Not 3k calories of straight up butter

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  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    Over consumption of calories makes you fat...not individual macro-nutrients, regardless of whether you eat them together, separate, or whatever...

    This is nonsense.

    If you eat nothing but fat, oil, lard, etc, say, 3000 calories a day you will LOSE weight.

    Lolno. Even i would gain weight eating nothing but fat at 3000 (if i could suppress the vomiting)
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    Blah I figured it out for myself.
    The answer is high impact carbs and fat shouldn't go together because of the insulin response.
    Protein the jury is still out...I'm starting to wonder if the free aminos become a problem when they are in excess and can link up and be stored.
    Any other ideas feel free to comment, I know there are Millions of protein discussions so I'm off to read that now.
    If you are in a calorie deficit, whether or not something gets 'stored' you are still not eating as much as your body is burning, so it necessarily has to pull something out of storage in order to have fuel throughout the day. Whether you are burning the same stuff you just ate, or storing those specific molecules and burning off more of other molecules that were stored long ago, at the end of the day it's still the same result.

    Not really... your macros, and the timing of your exercise compared to those macros, will make a huge difference in whether you are burning fat or lean muscle tissue. You may still be losing weight, but the result is far from the same.

    Macros yes. Timing no.

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