Is diet pop REALLY that bad fro you????

I drink diet soda....................for over 25 years.....................my genetics trump pseudoscience.


That or the correlation of diet soda and health issues really are just correlations.

Time for a can of Diet Pepsi now.

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I can't be the only one to appreciate the irony of someone arguing that science is far far away from being able to establish a causal relationship in matters of nutrition, all the while being so certain that diet soda causes health problems.

He really really loves science when it appears to suggest that something he already believes is true.

But when it comes to confirming things he doesn't like, he's the ultimate skeptic.

hmm... i'm learning all sorts of new things about myself. we should chat more so i can really get to know me better.

I can't be the only one to appreciate the irony of someone arguing that science is far far away from being able to establish a causal relationship in matters of nutrition, all the while being so certain that diet soda causes health problems.

He really really loves science when it appears to suggest that something he already believes is true.

But when it comes to confirming things he doesn't like, he's the ultimate skeptic.

Truer words may not have ever been spoken.

Aspartame is broken down into phenylalanine, aspartic acid, and methanol. Phenylalanine and Aspartic Acid are amino acids and there's a much higher concentration of these aminos in a measly 4oz chicken breast than there is in diet soda. 1 Banana will yield more methanol than a 12oz can of soda. The dosage limits that can cause any issues are VERY HIGH, and you'd have to consume massive amounts to even detect any increased levels in a blood test. Cliffs: Diet soda is fine if you don't get headaches from it, and a very small % of people do.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17828671

I can't be the only one to appreciate the irony of someone arguing that science is far far away from being able to establish a causal relationship in matters of nutrition, all the while being so certain that diet soda causes health problems.

He really really loves science when it appears to suggest that something he already believes is true.

But when it comes to confirming things he doesn't like, he's the ultimate skeptic.

hmm... i'm learning all sorts of new things about myself. we should chat more so i can really get to know me better.

Feel free to PM me. I'd love to tell you more about yourself if you want

I drink diet soda....................for over 25 years.....................my genetics trump pseudoscience.


That or the correlation of diet soda and health issues really are just correlations.

Time for a can of Diet Pepsi now.

A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Correlations? of course that's all they are. I never said aspartame definitively caused anything. (you can check). but as long as there's a correlation, that means there is a POSSIBLE (regardless of how small you believe it to be) risk.

So as long as there's a RISK they could be harmful - no matter how large or small - it makes zero logical sense to drink them.

but again, to each his or her own, which is what my initial post in this thread stated.

I would like to introduce new research. Aspartame was approved for use in 1981. The average life expectancy has risen from 74 to 78.

Drink your diet soda everyone, Aspartame will extend your life! That's a diet coke my guy is holding.

:drinker:

Oh cripes...I don't actually drink diet soda...better start drinking it stat!

My grandmother never drank it and she's 97, so the argument is invalid.

Phew!

Genetics

I drink diet soda....................for over 25 years.....................my genetics trump pseudoscience.


That or the correlation of diet soda and health issues really are just correlations.

Time for a can of Diet Pepsi now.

A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Correlations? of course that's all they are. I never said aspartame definitively caused anything. (you can check). but as long as there's a correlation, that means there is a POSSIBLE (regardless of how small you believe it to be) risk.

So as long as there's a RISK they could be harmful - no matter how large or small - it makes zero logical sense to drink them.

but again, to each his or her own, which is what my initial post in this thread stated.

So by that rationale you should become a pirate in order to prevent global warming.

I drink diet soda....................for over 25 years.....................my genetics trump pseudoscience.


That or the correlation of diet soda and health issues really are just correlations.

Time for a can of Diet Pepsi now.

A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Correlations? of course that's all they are. I never said aspartame definitively caused anything. (you can check). but as long as there's a correlation, that means there is a POSSIBLE (regardless of how small you believe it to be) risk.

So as long as there's a RISK they could be harmful - no matter how large or small - it makes zero logical sense to drink them.

but again, to each his or her own, which is what my initial post in this thread stated.

So by that rationale you should become a pirate in order to prevent global warming.

I still say this is my favorite "study".


PS.

Coke > Pepsi

I'm going to leave my unhealthy house with all of it's processed wood and go to the gym. I will lift my weights made of rubber and concrete that were not lifted in the paleo lithic era. I will be listening to my ipod made of its man made harmful chemical silicone structure. I'll probly even drink unfiltered water from the water fountain.

I want this thread of to at least 15 pages when I get back.

BUT I say people have been eating sugar for thousands of years...why change that now for an unnatural chemical?? Id rather deal with the calories :-)

Finally, a sensible response. If it's not found in nature, most likely it's not good for you.
Why risk it if you're concerned about your health? If not, go ahead and drink artificial sweeteners every day. It's your body.

Exactly. Exactly. And in addition . . . there are anecdotal stories regarding aspartame negatively effecting health, and there are some studies that raise enough concern to conduct more studies. Why do people defend something that has all the ear marks of being the next big oooooops in our history of thinking something is okay and then realizing later it's toxic. Look at cigarettes for instance. We were told they were harmless for soooooo long. Yeah right.

BUT I say people have been eating sugar for thousands of years...why change that now for an unnatural chemical?? Id rather deal with the calories :-)

Finally, a sensible response. If it's not found in nature, most likely it's not good for you.
Why risk it if you're concerned about your health? If not, go ahead and drink artificial sweeteners every day. It's your body.

Did the computer you typed this on grow on a tree?
http://weightology.net/thehealthsleuth/?p=139

So you're eating computers? What macro does that go under? Not sure how you can afford that "food group".

I drink diet coke. I don't like the taste of regular coke/pepsi or any other soda. I'm not a big soda drinker anyway.

Sometimes though, I'll drink Zevia. Not sure if it's that much better for you, I haven't read the ingredients, other than knowing that it's made with stevia.

BUT I say people have been eating sugar for thousands of years...why change that now for an unnatural chemical?? Id rather deal with the calories :-)

Finally, a sensible response. If it's not found in nature, most likely it's not good for you.
Why risk it if you're concerned about your health? If not, go ahead and drink artificial sweeteners every day. It's your body.

We've been walking barefoot in the woods and dying of the bacterial plague for thousands of years too. I don't think Nikes or Cipro are found in nature, but here we are relying on them.

did you hear Z-Paks cause abnormal heart rhythms and death? In the news just yesterday.

guess we shouldn't rely so heavily on those unnatural antibiotics...

There you go cherry picking information and changing Z Packs presents a higher risk in patients with pre existing heart conditions to "Zpacks cause abnormal heart rhythms and death".

BUT I say people have been eating sugar for thousands of years...why change that now for an unnatural chemical?? Id rather deal with the calories :-)

Finally, a sensible response. If it's not found in nature, most likely it's not good for you.
Why risk it if you're concerned about your health? If not, go ahead and drink artificial sweeteners every day. It's your body.

Exactly. Exactly. And in addition . . . there are anecdotal stories regarding aspartame negatively effecting health, and there are some studies that raise enough concern to conduct more studies. Why do people defend something that has all the ear marks of being the next big oooooops in our history of thinking something is okay and then realizing later it's toxic. Look at cigarettes for instance. We were told they were harmless for soooooo long. Yeah right.

People drawing false connections are not "earmarks" of being the next big OOOH.


Aspartame has been tested and scrutinized more than nearly any other item on the market, and the evidence for it being harmful has been found to be lacking.

But people will still believe what they want.

Funny that many of the same people tout the use of "herbal" supplements and pseudo-scientific methods that have not undergone nearly the same level of testing. But that's OK because it's "natural". As if there are no poisonous substances in nature.

32 oz? That's a LOT of diet soda... maybe limit yourself to 1 can and that's it. Diet soda has no nutritional value at all -- its just chemicals. It doesn't hydrate you... study after study has shown that drinking diet soda tricks you into actually eating more so if you're not careful you could go for more calories during the day/week (hopefully with MFP tracking you wouldn't fall prey to that).

I limit myself to 1 soda a week because the coloring is dubious (I've seen all sorts of arguments about caramel coloring being linked to higher rates of cancer and medical problems in lab rats... I'd rather stay away from ingesting daily).

Also the phosphates in sodas are bad for you. They cause more rapid aging and wear out your kidneys. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100426151636.htm

It's not bad for soda to be a treat -- but every day in large amounts? Stay away!