whats the beef on well...beef...

Seeing a lot of posts about "I avoid red meat" and bla bla bla....

Just curious if you are avoiding it, why? I eat some form of steak at least once a week...its high in protein and pretty reasonable on calorie and fat intake..

^ that was my original post...I thought it was pretty clear...

Don't see anything in there about "vegetarians need not respond", but if you reasons besides my vegetarianism I stopped buying beef as much prior to that due to cost. It's very expensive for 1 lb of the leanest beef. happy?

Not to mention the lack of nutrional value and added hormones per pound for the price.

The guys who made pink slime declared bankruptcy. I don't think we have to worry about that. I must admit - I don't eat ground up beef. It's too low of quality.

I buy my beef from Whole Foods to avoid any chemicals and hormones. I don't know why you guys think it has no nutritional value - beef is pretty good for you. It has niacin, B2, B12, iron, phosphorus, vitamin D, Omega 3, selenium, and zinc. It's also high in potassium and is a good source of protein.

If you're not eating beef because your a vegetarian, that's fine. Everyone has different views but saying something isn't nutritional because you don't like it is sorta silly. I have friends who don't eat meat and we get along splendidly; but they generally don't start yelling "it has no nutritional benefits" when I eat beef. I just find that judgmental and well...insulting considering I'm logical enough to do a quick search and discover that the statement is well...false. I'd rather you just say "For ethical reasons, I prefer to not eat meat." Fine, that's a valid response without any sort of judgment.

Let's agree to disagree and not be so mean to each other because we all are going to have different views on this. My grandfather was a cattle rancher so I grew up eating beef and I do love it and it would be impossible for anyone to change my opinion on that subject but I don't and won't criticize friends if they prefer a vegan lifestyle. That's wrong too.

My thoughts on this:

-- Cows are meant to be eaten. We can argue about domestic cows vs. their wild ancestors, but the fact of the matter is that cows, bison, cattle, buffalo, any cow variation you can think of is a meat source for some species. If not people, then wolves or some other carnivorous animal.

-- The whole "Cows are people too" sort of sentiment is sort of silly. As mentioned previously, they are pretty much meant to be eaten. And while there are some places that mistreat their stock, most cows get to live a life of luxury by animal standards and then die a quick, painless death for food. This, as opposed to a hard life in the wild and being devoured alive by some predator.

-- My father in law raises cows, and we get tons of high quality beef with no hormones and high flavor. And while not everyone has that luxury, it isn't too terribly hard in most places to find local meat markets where you can find out the living conditions and breeding conditions of the cows used.

My thoughts on this:

-- Cows are meant to be eaten. We can argue about domestic cows vs. their wild ancestors, but the fact of the matter is that cows, bison, cattle, buffalo, any cow variation you can think of is a meat source for some species. If not people, then wolves or some other carnivorous animal.

-- The whole "Cows are people too" sort of sentiment is sort of silly. As mentioned previously, they are pretty much meant to be eaten. And while there are some places that mistreat their stock, most cows get to live a life of luxury by animal standards and then die a quick, painless death for food. This, as opposed to a hard life in the wild and being devoured alive by some predator.

-- My father in law raises cows, and we get tons of high quality beef with no hormones and high flavor. And while not everyone has that luxury, it isn't too terribly hard in most places to find local meat markets where you can find out the living conditions and breeding conditions of the cows used.

So, in conclusion...

Good reasons to avoid red meat: Doctor's orders, personal taste, budget restrictions.
Bad reasons to avoid red meat: Moral reasons.

I'm sorry but excuse me?! You're basically telling vegetarians and vegans that we are stupid because our morals regarding animals. Many reasons as to why most educated vegetarians and vegans goes beyond just morals and compassion for animals. Environmental concerns, world economic issues, world hunger, and the quality of life for earth's future inhabitants (including our own children) play a big role as to why we don't consume meat. By the way, most cows don't live a life of luxury by animal standards nor do they die a quick and painless death. It's sick how a cow is killed for kosher meat. Please explain to me how this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp8B4vSd6h0) is a quick and painless death.

I don't think that I called you stupid anywhere in there...I was typing my thoughts on the situation, and put counter-arguments. But if you see elsewise please let me know

As for how cows are killed for Kosher, here's the thing -- it looks bad, yes. It's messy, and there's blood everywhere. But they're killing by blood loss, which if done correctly isn't very painful. Sounds cruel but it's the truth. And if you disagree with this method of killing, one could choose non-kosher beef as an alternative.

As for those other reasons, I am genuinely curious -- do you have any arguments against eating meat that have to deal with "Environmental concerns, world economic issues, world hunger, and the quality of life for earth's future inhabitants"? I would sincerely be interested to hear these because I don't know that I've been exposed to them before.

I don't know whats wrong with people. I love a nice juicy fat steak a few times a week. It's good for your iron levels too.

Word.

I don't think anyone has said that people who don't eat meat are wrong/stupid/etc. We have been debating I individual discussion topics.

Plain and simple, I only eat animals that I am willing to kill myself. As I could or would never kill a cow, that is off my plate. We all have our reasons for eating what we do. I made that decision when I was 10 years old so there is absolutely no going back, that was 30 years ago. I don't care if people eat meat or not. I I let my kids eat it because it is their choice to make as they get older. It is no ones place to judge others for what they eat or don't eat. Live and let live and you will be a lot happier.

Seeing a lot of posts about "I avoid red meat" and bla bla bla....

Just curious if you are avoiding it, why? I eat some form of steak at least once a week...its high in protein and pretty reasonable on calorie and fat intake..

so what the hell is the beef?

I eat it. Not often but I do eat red meat. I think it depends on 1) Whether it is grass fed or not and 2) How you cook it i.e. soaked in sauces etc. or just grilled and simple.