Health food not so healthy???

whole grains for me.

almond milk is, unfortunately, not as great as we all think.

COCONUT MILK TO THE RESCUE! :P

Coconut Milk is pretty great, but you can make your own Almond Milk. Soak almonds over night, peel off the skins, and blend with water, voila!! almond milk!!

If any of you are on Pinterest there are a ton a pins for recipes, but it is really that simple

I do either almond of coconut milk in my veg smoothies, I think it helps!

And these things below are healthy for normal people, but I have some medical conditions that force me to limit these things, as much as I may love them!!

Most fruit
Potatoes
Corn

Unless it came out of a mammals junk, it's not milk, stop lying to yourself

whole grains for me.

almond milk is, unfortunately, not as great as we all think.

COCONUT MILK TO THE RESCUE! :P

Coconut Milk is pretty great, but you can make your own Almond Milk. Soak almonds over night, peel off the skins, and blend with water, voila!! almond milk!!

If any of you are on Pinterest there are a ton a pins for recipes, but it is really that simple

I do either almond of coconut milk in my veg smoothies, I think it helps!

And these things below are healthy for normal people, but I have some medical conditions that force me to limit these things, as much as I may love them!!

Most fruit
Potatoes
Corn

Unless it came out of a mammals junk, it's not milk, stop lying to yourself

Um, I don't know what kind of "milk" you are drinking but typically "junk" refers to something other than the teat! :noway:

My children when small never eat sweets only chocolate.I like chocolate but do try and avoid now exept a small treat.

Penn & Teller did a funny bit on B*ll**** where they chopped several fruits in half then told people one half was organic and the other half was non-organic. The vast majority of the people said the organic half (keep in mind again, this was from the same fruit) tasted better. Organic is marketing hype. Feel free to pay double for your veggies though if you really feel the need.

I prefer not to eat pesticides with my meals. I also prefer to have my veggies grown in nutrient rich soil.

Why do you think organic produce doesn't use pesticides?


With regard to pesticides, it must also be noted that organic farming, while using methods to minimize pests and the need for pesticides, still uses organic, rather than synthetic, pesticides. For example a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture is commonly used. Such pesticides are not as well studied as synthetic pesticides, often require more applications, and may persist longer in the soil. In fact the use of “natural” pesticides is nothing more than an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy – there really is no evidence for superior safety, and they have not been adequately studied.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/is-organic-food-more-healthful/

That's interesting about rotenone-pyrethrin I'll have to look into that because that is news to me. Thanks for the heads up.
We grow huge organic gardens and raspberries and we have never used ANY organic or synthetic pesticides. When we don't have it growing in our own garden or greenhouse, then I buy organic produce from a privately owned health food store that buys local, organic produce as much as possible. I'll have to ask them if they use any organic pesticides.

I do know that in the article linked below, "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."

http://www.rodale.com/health-benefits-organic?page=0,1

The way I look at is this. Big agri-business knows that consumers are demanding organic produce. They only offer organics now because they know they have to. Some states have laxer laws than others regarding organic farming requirements for certification. So I've been reluctant to buy organic produce from the big box stores because I've been concerned their organic produce is farmed using the least stringent standards . . . because after all they aren't offering organics because they necessarily feel passionate about it . . . they're going to offer it the cheapest way possible. On the other hand, I feel a local organic farm or small organic farm is growing organically because they feel passionately about clean food.

I'm laughing because I started by saying I prefer not to eat pesticides with my vegetables and that I prefer to eat vegetables grown from nutrient rich soil. Then it was pointed out that some possibly toxic "organic" pesticides are being used by some organic farms. I said thanks for the heads up and I'd look into it and see if the farms use any "organic" pesticides where I get veggies . . . also noting that we grow a high percentage of our food. I also noted that "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals." And then you poo pooed the President's Cancer Panel's report and instead gave me information regarding the hazards of rodent feces in coffee vs non organically produce. I find your line of thinking funny.

The link clearly show that the "chemicals" you claim are "toxic" are no more dangerous than the ones produced naturally by your precious organic produce.

Yep that's what you think. I think differently. Do you have a problem with that?

You can think whatever you want.

My position is supported by evidence, yours is not.

Then why is did "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."

You'll have to ask them. But a 3-person panel, one of whom is a steroid-fueled former cyclist, is far from the best resource for scientific information.

Edit: On closer inspection, Lance is no longer on the panel. But one of the members is listed as a "Cancer Survivor", with no other credentials.

Not exactly an expert on the sciences.

What are you talking about?

Here's a full report put out by the President's Cancer Panel called "Reducing Environmental Cancer Risks: What We Can Do Now".

http://deainfo.nci.nih.gov/advisory/pcp/annualReports/pcp08-09rpt/PCP_Report_08-09_508.pdf

There is a whole section called "Exposure to Contaminants from Agricultural Sources". Below is a quote. Please note that the United States President's Cancer Panel is saying there is a link between pesticide exposure and a shopping list of cancers.

"Nearly 1,400 pesticides have been registered
(i.e., approved) by the Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA) for agricultural and
non-agricultural use.214 Exposure to these
chemicals has been linked to brain/central
nervous system (CNS), breast, colon, lung,
ovarian (female spouses), pancreatic, kidney,
testicular, and stomach cancers, as well
as Hodgkin and non-Hodgkin lymphoma,
multiple myeloma, and soft tissue
sarcoma.147 Pesticide-exposed farmers,
pesticide applicators, crop duster pilots, and
manufacturers also have been found to have
elevated rates of prostate cancer, melanoma,
other skin cancers, and cancer of the lip.215
Approximately 40 chemicals classified
by the International Agency for Research
on Cancer (IARC) as known, probable, or
possible human carcinogens, are used
in EPA-registered pesticides now on the
market.216–219 Some of these chemicals
are used in several different pesticides; for
example, chromium trioxide, an IARC Class
1 carcinogen (carcinogenic to humans), is
used in 14 different pesticide products from
five different companies. Thus, the total
number of registered pesticide products
containing known or suspected carcinogens
is far greater than 40, but few have been
severely restricted in the United States.
Among those that have been banned, or had
their use restricted, are DDT, ethylene oxide,
dimethlhydrazine, hexachlorobenzene, and
some chlorophenoxy herbicides.215

Here's another quote which sums up my thoughts:

"I believe it is time for a new human experiment. The
old experiment…is that we have sprayed pesticides
which are inherent poisons…throughout our shared
environment. They are now in amniotic fluid. They’re in
our blood. They’re in our urine. They’re in our exhaled
breath. They are in mothers’ milk….What is the burden
of cancer that we can attribute to this use of poisons
in our agricultural system?...We won’t really know
the answer until we do the other experiment, which
is to take the poisons out of our food chain, embrace a
different kind of agriculture, and see what happens."

Penn & Teller did a funny bit on B*ll**** where they chopped several fruits in half then told people one half was organic and the other half was non-organic. The vast majority of the people said the organic half (keep in mind again, this was from the same fruit) tasted better. Organic is marketing hype. Feel free to pay double for your veggies though if you really feel the need.

I prefer not to eat pesticides with my meals. I also prefer to have my veggies grown in nutrient rich soil.

Why do you think organic produce doesn't use pesticides?


With regard to pesticides, it must also be noted that organic farming, while using methods to minimize pests and the need for pesticides, still uses organic, rather than synthetic, pesticides. For example a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture is commonly used. Such pesticides are not as well studied as synthetic pesticides, often require more applications, and may persist longer in the soil. In fact the use of “natural” pesticides is nothing more than an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy – there really is no evidence for superior safety, and they have not been adequately studied.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/is-organic-food-more-healthful/

That's interesting about rotenone-pyrethrin I'll have to look into that because that is news to me. Thanks for the heads up.
We grow huge organic gardens and raspberries and we have never used ANY organic or synthetic pesticides. When we don't have it growing in our own garden or greenhouse, then I buy organic produce from a privately owned health food store that buys local, organic produce as much as possible. I'll have to ask them if they use any organic pesticides.

I do know that in the article linked below, "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."

http://www.rodale.com/health-benefits-organic?page=0,1

The way I look at is this. Big agri-business knows that consumers are demanding organic produce. They only offer organics now because they know they have to. Some states have laxer laws than others regarding organic farming requirements for certification. So I've been reluctant to buy organic produce from the big box stores because I've been concerned their organic produce is farmed using the least stringent standards . . . because after all they aren't offering organics because they necessarily feel passionate about it . . . they're going to offer it the cheapest way possible. On the other hand, I feel a local organic farm or small organic farm is growing organically because they feel passionately about clean food.

I'm laughing because I started by saying I prefer not to eat pesticides with my vegetables and that I prefer to eat vegetables grown from nutrient rich soil. Then it was pointed out that some possibly toxic "organic" pesticides are being used by some organic farms. I said thanks for the heads up and I'd look into it and see if the farms use any "organic" pesticides where I get veggies . . . also noting that we grow a high percentage of our food. I also noted that "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals." And then you poo pooed the President's Cancer Panel's report and instead gave me information regarding the hazards of rodent feces in coffee vs non organically produce. I find your line of thinking funny.

The link clearly show that the "chemicals" you claim are "toxic" are no more dangerous than the ones produced naturally by your precious organic produce.

Yep that's what you think. I think differently. Do you have a problem with that?

You can think whatever you want.

My position is supported by evidence, yours is not.

Then why is did "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."

You'll have to ask them. But a 3-person panel, one of whom is a steroid-fueled former cyclist, is far from the best resource for scientific information.

Edit: On closer inspection, Lance is no longer on the panel. But one of the members is listed as a "Cancer Survivor", with no other credentials.

Not exactly an expert on the sciences.

What are you talking about?

As of August 2006, the Panel consists of LaSalle D. Leffall, Jr., M.D., F.A.C.S. (Chair), Lance Armstrong, and Margaret L. Kripke, Ph.D.


The current cancer panel:


January 2013
PRESIDENT’S CANCER PANEL
CHAIRPERSON
Barbara K. Rimer, Dr.P.H.
201
3
Dean
Gillings School of Global
Public
Health
Alumni Distinguished Professor
of Health Behavior and Health Education


Hill Harper, J.D.
2013
Cancer Survivor
4 Time New York Times Best
-
Selling Author, Actor &



Owen N. Witte, M.D.
2014
Director
Eli and Edythe Broad Center of Regenerative
Medicine and
Stem Cell Research


So we have a three-person panel, only one of whom is a scientist.

Here's a full report put out by the President's Cancer Panel called "Reducing Environmental Cancer Risks: What We Can Do Now".

http://deainfo.nci.nih.gov/advisory/pcp/annualReports/pcp08-09rpt/PCP_Report_08-09_508.pdf

There is a whole section called "Exposure to Contaminants from Agricultural Sources". Below is a quote. Please note that the United States President's Cancer Panel is saying there is a link between pesticide exposure and a shopping list of cancers.

"Nearly 1,400 pesticides have been registered
(i.e., approved) by the Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA) for agricultural and
non-agricultural use.214 Exposure to these
chemicals has been linked to brain/central
nervous system (CNS), breast, colon, lung,
ovarian (female spouses), pancreatic, kidney,
testicular, and stomach cancers, as well
as Hodgkin and non-Hodgkin lymphoma,
multiple myeloma, and soft tissue
sarcoma.147 Pesticide-exposed farmers,
pesticide applicators, crop duster pilots, and
manufacturers also have been found to have
elevated rates of prostate cancer, melanoma,
other skin cancers, and cancer of the lip.215
Approximately 40 chemicals classified
by the International Agency for Research
on Cancer (IARC) as known, probable, or
possible human carcinogens, are used
in EPA-registered pesticides now on the
market.216–219 Some of these chemicals
are used in several different pesticides; for
example, chromium trioxide, an IARC Class
1 carcinogen (carcinogenic to humans), is
used in 14 different pesticide products from
five different companies. Thus, the total
number of registered pesticide products
containing known or suspected carcinogens
is far greater than 40, but few have been
severely restricted in the United States.
Among those that have been banned, or had
their use restricted, are DDT, ethylene oxide,
dimethlhydrazine, hexachlorobenzene, and
some chlorophenoxy herbicides.215

Here's another quote which sums up my thoughts:

"I believe it is time for a new human experiment. The
old experiment…is that we have sprayed pesticides
which are inherent poisons…throughout our shared
environment. They are now in amniotic fluid. They’re in
our blood. They’re in our urine. They’re in our exhaled
breath. They are in mothers’ milk….What is the burden
of cancer that we can attribute to this use of poisons
in our agricultural system?...We won’t really know
the answer until we do the other experiment, which
is to take the poisons out of our food chain, embrace a
different kind of agriculture, and see what happens."

And how, pray tell, do you think they identify these "suspected carcinogens"?

THE AMES TEST!!!!!!!

What is the one food that you used to think was a healthy choice that you have since learned otherwise?

For me its the Baby Carrots. Learning they are doused in chlorine and "bred" to be little ~ it grosses me out enough to not eat them anymore. What's your food?

i once thought a DQ blizzard was healthy since it had so much go stuff in it....I know now it is not healthy....maybe we should put some baby carrots into it..make it a bit healthier....and they are bred to be baby so they do fit in the DQ blizzard.

SERIOUSLY??? YOU want to make fun of me for having an old picture of a blizzard? interesting! You, of all people, are not one to judge someone else!

Penn & Teller did a funny bit on B*ll**** where they chopped several fruits in half then told people one half was organic and the other half was non-organic. The vast majority of the people said the organic half (keep in mind again, this was from the same fruit) tasted better. Organic is marketing hype. Feel free to pay double for your veggies though if you really feel the need.

I prefer not to eat pesticides with my meals. I also prefer to have my veggies grown in nutrient rich soil.

Why do you think organic produce doesn't use pesticides?


With regard to pesticides, it must also be noted that organic farming, while using methods to minimize pests and the need for pesticides, still uses organic, rather than synthetic, pesticides. For example a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture is commonly used. Such pesticides are not as well studied as synthetic pesticides, often require more applications, and may persist longer in the soil. In fact the use of “natural” pesticides is nothing more than an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy – there really is no evidence for superior safety, and they have not been adequately studied.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/is-organic-food-more-healthful/

That's interesting about rotenone-pyrethrin I'll have to look into that because that is news to me. Thanks for the heads up.
We grow huge organic gardens and raspberries and we have never used ANY organic or synthetic pesticides. When we don't have it growing in our own garden or greenhouse, then I buy organic produce from a privately owned health food store that buys local, organic produce as much as possible. I'll have to ask them if they use any organic pesticides.

I do know that in the article linked below, "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."

http://www.rodale.com/health-benefits-organic?page=0,1

The way I look at is this. Big agri-business knows that consumers are demanding organic produce. They only offer organics now because they know they have to. Some states have laxer laws than others regarding organic farming requirements for certification. So I've been reluctant to buy organic produce from the big box stores because I've been concerned their organic produce is farmed using the least stringent standards . . . because after all they aren't offering organics because they necessarily feel passionate about it . . . they're going to offer it the cheapest way possible. On the other hand, I feel a local organic farm or small organic farm is growing organically because they feel passionately about clean food.

I'm laughing because I started by saying I prefer not to eat pesticides with my vegetables and that I prefer to eat vegetables grown from nutrient rich soil. Then it was pointed out that some possibly toxic "organic" pesticides are being used by some organic farms. I said thanks for the heads up and I'd look into it and see if the farms use any "organic" pesticides where I get veggies . . . also noting that we grow a high percentage of our food. I also noted that "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals." And then you poo pooed the President's Cancer Panel's report and instead gave me information regarding the hazards of rodent feces in coffee vs non organically produce. I find your line of thinking funny.

The link clearly show that the "chemicals" you claim are "toxic" are no more dangerous than the ones produced naturally by your precious organic produce.

Yep that's what you think. I think differently. Do you have a problem with that?

You can think whatever you want.

My position is supported by evidence, yours is not.

Then why is did "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."

You'll have to ask them. But a 3-person panel, one of whom is a steroid-fueled former cyclist, is far from the best resource for scientific information.

Edit: On closer inspection, Lance is no longer on the panel. But one of the members is listed as a "Cancer Survivor", with no other credentials.

Not exactly an expert on the sciences.

What are you talking about?

As of August 2006, the Panel consists of LaSalle D. Leffall, Jr., M.D., F.A.C.S. (Chair), Lance Armstrong, and Margaret L. Kripke, Ph.D.


The current cancer panel:


January 2013
PRESIDENT’S CANCER PANEL
CHAIRPERSON
Barbara K. Rimer, Dr.P.H.
201
3
Dean
Gillings School of Global
Public
Health
Alumni Distinguished Professor
of Health Behavior and Health Education


Hill Harper, J.D.
2013
Cancer Survivor
4 Time New York Times Best
-
Selling Author, Actor &



Owen N. Witte, M.D.
2014
Director
Eli and Edythe Broad Center of Regenerative
Medicine and
Stem Cell Research


So we have a three-person panel, only one of whom is a scientist.

Here's a full report put out by the President's Cancer Panel called "Reducing Environmental Cancer Risks: What We Can Do Now".

http://deainfo.nci.nih.gov/advisory/pcp/annualReports/pcp08-09rpt/PCP_Report_08-09_508.pdf

There is a whole section called "Exposure to Contaminants from Agricultural Sources". Below is a quote. Please note that the United States President's Cancer Panel is saying there is a link between pesticide exposure and a shopping list of cancers.

"Nearly 1,400 pesticides have been registered
(i.e., approved) by the Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA) for agricultural and
non-agricultural use.214 Exposure to these
chemicals has been linked to brain/central
nervous system (CNS), breast, colon, lung,
ovarian (female spouses), pancreatic, kidney,
testicular, and stomach cancers, as well
as Hodgkin and non-Hodgkin lymphoma,
multiple myeloma, and soft tissue
sarcoma.147 Pesticide-exposed farmers,
pesticide applicators, crop duster pilots, and
manufacturers also have been found to have
elevated rates of prostate cancer, melanoma,
other skin cancers, and cancer of the lip.215
Approximately 40 chemicals classified
by the International Agency for Research
on Cancer (IARC) as known, probable, or
possible human carcinogens, are used
in EPA-registered pesticides now on the
market.216–219 Some of these chemicals
are used in several different pesticides; for
example, chromium trioxide, an IARC Class
1 carcinogen (carcinogenic to humans), is
used in 14 different pesticide products from
five different companies. Thus, the total
number of registered pesticide products
containing known or suspected carcinogens
is far greater than 40, but few have been
severely restricted in the United States.
Among those that have been banned, or had
their use restricted, are DDT, ethylene oxide,
dimethlhydrazine, hexachlorobenzene, and
some chlorophenoxy herbicides.215

Here's another quote which sums up my thoughts:

"I believe it is time for a new human experiment. The
old experiment…is that we have sprayed pesticides
which are inherent poisons…throughout our shared
environment. They are now in amniotic fluid. They’re in
our blood. They’re in our urine. They’re in our exhaled
breath. They are in mothers’ milk….What is the burden
of cancer that we can attribute to this use of poisons
in our agricultural system?...We won’t really know
the answer until we do the other experiment, which
is to take the poisons out of our food chain, embrace a
different kind of agriculture, and see what happens."

And how, pray tell, do you think they identify these "suspected carcinogens"?

THE AMES TEST!!!!!!!

Maybe you should ask the United States President's Cancer Panel after all they came up with this report. Oh wait, their report doesn't count either?