Health food not so healthy???
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whole grains for me.
almond milk is, unfortunately, not as great as we all think.
COCONUT MILK TO THE RESCUE! :P
Coconut Milk is pretty great, but you can make your own Almond Milk. Soak almonds over night, peel off the skins, and blend with water, voila!! almond milk!!
If any of you are on Pinterest there are a ton a pins for recipes, but it is really that simple
I do either almond of coconut milk in my veg smoothies, I think it helps!
And these things below are healthy for normal people, but I have some medical conditions that force me to limit these things, as much as I may love them!!
Most fruit
Potatoes
Corn
Unless it came out of a mammals junk, it's not milk, stop lying to yourself
That is what it is called at the store, and it's a great dairy substitute for ones who can't eat dairy. I don't get all hung up on what people choose to call the things they eat, really not important.0 -
whole grains for me.
almond milk is, unfortunately, not as great as we all think.
COCONUT MILK TO THE RESCUE! :P
Coconut Milk is pretty great, but you can make your own Almond Milk. Soak almonds over night, peel off the skins, and blend with water, voila!! almond milk!!
If any of you are on Pinterest there are a ton a pins for recipes, but it is really that simple
I do either almond of coconut milk in my veg smoothies, I think it helps!
And these things below are healthy for normal people, but I have some medical conditions that force me to limit these things, as much as I may love them!!
Most fruit
Potatoes
Corn
Unless it came out of a mammals junk, it's not milk, stop lying to yourself
Um, I don't know what kind of "milk" you are drinking but typically "junk" refers to something other than the teat! :noway:0 -
whole grains for me.
almond milk is, unfortunately, not as great as we all think.
COCONUT MILK TO THE RESCUE! :P
Coconut Milk is pretty great, but you can make your own Almond Milk. Soak almonds over night, peel off the skins, and blend with water, voila!! almond milk!!
If any of you are on Pinterest there are a ton a pins for recipes, but it is really that simple
I do either almond of coconut milk in my veg smoothies, I think it helps!
And these things below are healthy for normal people, but I have some medical conditions that force me to limit these things, as much as I may love them!!
Most fruit
Potatoes
Corn
Unless it came out of a mammals junk, it's not milk, stop lying to yourself
Um, I don't know what kind of "milk" you are drinking but typically "junk" refers to something other than the teat! :noway:
lol good point0 -
Penn & Teller did a funny bit on B*ll**** where they chopped several fruits in half then told people one half was organic and the other half was non-organic. The vast majority of the people said the organic half (keep in mind again, this was from the same fruit) tasted better. Organic is marketing hype. Feel free to pay double for your veggies though if you really feel the need.
I prefer not to eat pesticides with my meals. I also prefer to have my veggies grown in nutrient rich soil.
Why do you think organic produce doesn't use pesticides?
With regard to pesticides, it must also be noted that organic farming, while using methods to minimize pests and the need for pesticides, still uses organic, rather than synthetic, pesticides. For example a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture is commonly used. Such pesticides are not as well studied as synthetic pesticides, often require more applications, and may persist longer in the soil. In fact the use of “natural” pesticides is nothing more than an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy – there really is no evidence for superior safety, and they have not been adequately studied.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/is-organic-food-more-healthful/
That's interesting about rotenone-pyrethrin I'll have to look into that because that is news to me. Thanks for the heads up.
We grow huge organic gardens and raspberries and we have never used ANY organic or synthetic pesticides. When we don't have it growing in our own garden or greenhouse, then I buy organic produce from a privately owned health food store that buys local, organic produce as much as possible. I'll have to ask them if they use any organic pesticides.
I do know that in the article linked below, "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."
http://www.rodale.com/health-benefits-organic?page=0,1
The way I look at is this. Big agri-business knows that consumers are demanding organic produce. They only offer organics now because they know they have to. Some states have laxer laws than others regarding organic farming requirements for certification. So I've been reluctant to buy organic produce from the big box stores because I've been concerned their organic produce is farmed using the least stringent standards . . . because after all they aren't offering organics because they necessarily feel passionate about it . . . they're going to offer it the cheapest way possible. On the other hand, I feel a local organic farm or small organic farm is growing organically because they feel passionately about clean food.
I'm laughing because I started by saying I prefer not to eat pesticides with my vegetables and that I prefer to eat vegetables grown from nutrient rich soil. Then it was pointed out that some possibly toxic "organic" pesticides are being used by some organic farms. I said thanks for the heads up and I'd look into it and see if the farms use any "organic" pesticides where I get veggies . . . also noting that we grow a high percentage of our food. I also noted that "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals." And then you poo pooed the President's Cancer Panel's report and instead gave me information regarding the hazards of rodent feces in coffee vs non organically produce. I find your line of thinking funny.
The link clearly show that the "chemicals" you claim are "toxic" are no more dangerous than the ones produced naturally by your precious organic produce.
Yep that's what you think. I think differently. Do you have a problem with that?
You can think whatever you want.
My position is supported by evidence, yours is not.
Then why is did "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."
You'll have to ask them. But a 3-person panel, one of whom is a steroid-fueled former cyclist, is far from the best resource for scientific information.
Edit: On closer inspection, Lance is no longer on the panel. But one of the members is listed as a "Cancer Survivor", with no other credentials.
Not exactly an expert on the sciences.
What are you talking about?
Here's a full report put out by the President's Cancer Panel called "Reducing Environmental Cancer Risks: What We Can Do Now".
http://deainfo.nci.nih.gov/advisory/pcp/annualReports/pcp08-09rpt/PCP_Report_08-09_508.pdf
There is a whole section called "Exposure to Contaminants from Agricultural Sources". Below is a quote. Please note that the United States President's Cancer Panel is saying there is a link between pesticide exposure and a shopping list of cancers.
"Nearly 1,400 pesticides have been registered
(i.e., approved) by the Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA) for agricultural and
non-agricultural use.214 Exposure to these
chemicals has been linked to brain/central
nervous system (CNS), breast, colon, lung,
ovarian (female spouses), pancreatic, kidney,
testicular, and stomach cancers, as well
as Hodgkin and non-Hodgkin lymphoma,
multiple myeloma, and soft tissue
sarcoma.147 Pesticide-exposed farmers,
pesticide applicators, crop duster pilots, and
manufacturers also have been found to have
elevated rates of prostate cancer, melanoma,
other skin cancers, and cancer of the lip.215
Approximately 40 chemicals classified
by the International Agency for Research
on Cancer (IARC) as known, probable, or
possible human carcinogens, are used
in EPA-registered pesticides now on the
market.216–219 Some of these chemicals
are used in several different pesticides; for
example, chromium trioxide, an IARC Class
1 carcinogen (carcinogenic to humans), is
used in 14 different pesticide products from
five different companies. Thus, the total
number of registered pesticide products
containing known or suspected carcinogens
is far greater than 40, but few have been
severely restricted in the United States.
Among those that have been banned, or had
their use restricted, are DDT, ethylene oxide,
dimethlhydrazine, hexachlorobenzene, and
some chlorophenoxy herbicides.215
Here's another quote which sums up my thoughts:
"I believe it is time for a new human experiment. The
old experiment…is that we have sprayed pesticides
which are inherent poisons…throughout our shared
environment. They are now in amniotic fluid. They’re in
our blood. They’re in our urine. They’re in our exhaled
breath. They are in mothers’ milk….What is the burden
of cancer that we can attribute to this use of poisons
in our agricultural system?...We won’t really know
the answer until we do the other experiment, which
is to take the poisons out of our food chain, embrace a
different kind of agriculture, and see what happens."0 -
My children when small never eat sweets only chocolate.I like chocolate but do try and avoid now exept a small treat.
I have you ever tried Raw dark chocolate? It's soooooo good! http://www.planetloverawchocolate.com/0 -
So basically, you guys don't eat anything?
BRB...going to McDonalds
Purslane, Bok Choy, Arugula, Miner's Lettuce, Italian Lettuce, Beet Greens, Turnip Greens, Brussels Sprouts, Potatoes, Sweet Potatoes, Cucumbers, Carrots, Green Beans, Snap Peas, Pumpkins, Zucchini, Yellow Squash, Acorn Squash, Butternut Squash, Celery, Fiddleheads, Swiss Chard, Kale, Tatsoi, Purslane, Artichokes, Cauliflower, Onions, Garlic, Asparagus, Cabbage, Tomatoes, Sweet Peppers, Hot Peppers, Watercress, Tomatillos, Several varieties of Mushrooms, Parsnips, Turnips, Beets, Raspberries, Apples, Pears, Bananas, Pau Pau, Grapes, Blueberries, Mangos, Avocados, Kiwis, Coconut, Pistachios, Walnuts, Almonds, Peanuts, and various Nut Butters, Coconut Oil, Coconut Milk, Olive Oil, Herbal Teas, Coffee, Lentils, Rice, Barley, Millet, Quinoa, Chic Peas, Cannelloni Beans, Red Kidney Beans, Lima Beans, Hummus, Extra Dark Chocolate, Fresh and dried Herbs, Raw Honey, Rice Cakes, Olives, Miso, Ginger, Sesame Seeds, Chia Seeds, Pistachio Seeds, Flax Seeds . . . Hummm what am I missing?
Do you eat this much variety on a regular basis? BTW Most of the veggies and fruits and berries we grow ourselves.
Oooops edited because not finished with list
Oh and also seaweed, sprouted grain bread, sprouts, oats, granola, cashews, cashew cream, strawberries, watermelon, cantaloupe, honeydew melon, blackberries, black currant, pineapple . . . ummmm I'm sure there's more. SO much to eat.0 -
Oooh the paleo eaters aren't going to like the the retort from those pesky evolutionary biologists:
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/10/paleofantasy_stone_age_delusions/
As for carrots, they weren't even orange until the 17th century. And here's the wild carrot, parent of that abomination you buy at the farmers' market.
The original potato:
Cucumbers used to be extremely bitter. The bitterness was bred out over centuries.
Plants do not reproduce like humans. For instance, with apples, cross pollinating two apple trees will result in a multitude of seedlings that bear absolutely no resemblance to the parents. It's like if two white people had a kid and out popped an asian baby.0 -
Hurtful? I think you need to grow some lady-balls. Seriously, if you find this stuff hurtful, I don't know how you cope with real life.The "bad" foods...
Fruit, Vegetables, whole grains, not whole grains, dairy, soy, anything with chemicals in it, anything without chemicals in it, water, sugar, alcohol, legumes, nuts, eggs, egg whites, egg substitutes, herbs, spices, sugar again,...
f'in paranoid MFP universe...
Can I just ask you something? Why bother responding if you have nothing positive to say? I could do without your smart *kitten* comments. Thought these message boards were for support... not for people to beat you down and make you feel like an a-hole.
I hope one day you realize that there are real people on another computer reading your comments, and they have feelings. Last thing I expected was so many snarky, hurtful comments.
Ive dealt quite well with the life I've been handed... thanks! I've actually dealt with immigrating to a new country, loss of my best friend and also loss of a child. So I've dealt with my fair share of real life. Thanks!0 -
Non-organic catnips. It's a tough habit, I'm trying to beat it.0
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What is the one food that you used to think was a healthy choice that you have since learned otherwise?
For me its the Baby Carrots. Learning they are doused in chlorine and "bred" to be little ~ it grosses me out enough to not eat them anymore. What's your food?
i once thought a DQ blizzard was healthy since it had so much go stuff in it....I know now it is not healthy....maybe we should put some baby carrots into it..make it a bit healthier....and they are bred to be baby so they do fit in the DQ blizzard.
SERIOUSLY??? YOU want to make fun of me for having an old picture of a blizzard? interesting! You, of all people, are not one to judge someone else!0 -
Penn & Teller did a funny bit on B*ll**** where they chopped several fruits in half then told people one half was organic and the other half was non-organic. The vast majority of the people said the organic half (keep in mind again, this was from the same fruit) tasted better. Organic is marketing hype. Feel free to pay double for your veggies though if you really feel the need.
I prefer not to eat pesticides with my meals. I also prefer to have my veggies grown in nutrient rich soil.
Why do you think organic produce doesn't use pesticides?
With regard to pesticides, it must also be noted that organic farming, while using methods to minimize pests and the need for pesticides, still uses organic, rather than synthetic, pesticides. For example a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture is commonly used. Such pesticides are not as well studied as synthetic pesticides, often require more applications, and may persist longer in the soil. In fact the use of “natural” pesticides is nothing more than an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy – there really is no evidence for superior safety, and they have not been adequately studied.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/is-organic-food-more-healthful/
That's interesting about rotenone-pyrethrin I'll have to look into that because that is news to me. Thanks for the heads up.
We grow huge organic gardens and raspberries and we have never used ANY organic or synthetic pesticides. When we don't have it growing in our own garden or greenhouse, then I buy organic produce from a privately owned health food store that buys local, organic produce as much as possible. I'll have to ask them if they use any organic pesticides.
I do know that in the article linked below, "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."
http://www.rodale.com/health-benefits-organic?page=0,1
The way I look at is this. Big agri-business knows that consumers are demanding organic produce. They only offer organics now because they know they have to. Some states have laxer laws than others regarding organic farming requirements for certification. So I've been reluctant to buy organic produce from the big box stores because I've been concerned their organic produce is farmed using the least stringent standards . . . because after all they aren't offering organics because they necessarily feel passionate about it . . . they're going to offer it the cheapest way possible. On the other hand, I feel a local organic farm or small organic farm is growing organically because they feel passionately about clean food.
I'm laughing because I started by saying I prefer not to eat pesticides with my vegetables and that I prefer to eat vegetables grown from nutrient rich soil. Then it was pointed out that some possibly toxic "organic" pesticides are being used by some organic farms. I said thanks for the heads up and I'd look into it and see if the farms use any "organic" pesticides where I get veggies . . . also noting that we grow a high percentage of our food. I also noted that "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals." And then you poo pooed the President's Cancer Panel's report and instead gave me information regarding the hazards of rodent feces in coffee vs non organically produce. I find your line of thinking funny.
The link clearly show that the "chemicals" you claim are "toxic" are no more dangerous than the ones produced naturally by your precious organic produce.
Yep that's what you think. I think differently. Do you have a problem with that?
You can think whatever you want.
My position is supported by evidence, yours is not.
Then why is did "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."
You'll have to ask them. But a 3-person panel, one of whom is a steroid-fueled former cyclist, is far from the best resource for scientific information.
Edit: On closer inspection, Lance is no longer on the panel. But one of the members is listed as a "Cancer Survivor", with no other credentials.
Not exactly an expert on the sciences.
What are you talking about?
As of August 2006, the Panel consists of LaSalle D. Leffall, Jr., M.D., F.A.C.S. (Chair), Lance Armstrong, and Margaret L. Kripke, Ph.D.
The current cancer panel:
January 2013
PRESIDENT’S CANCER PANEL
CHAIRPERSON
Barbara K. Rimer, Dr.P.H.
201
3
Dean
Gillings School of Global
Public
Health
Alumni Distinguished Professor
of Health Behavior and Health Education
Hill Harper, J.D.
2013
Cancer Survivor
4 Time New York Times Best
-
Selling Author, Actor &
Owen N. Witte, M.D.
2014
Director
Eli and Edythe Broad Center of Regenerative
Medicine and
Stem Cell Research
So we have a three-person panel, only one of whom is a scientist.
Here's a full report put out by the President's Cancer Panel called "Reducing Environmental Cancer Risks: What We Can Do Now".
http://deainfo.nci.nih.gov/advisory/pcp/annualReports/pcp08-09rpt/PCP_Report_08-09_508.pdf
There is a whole section called "Exposure to Contaminants from Agricultural Sources". Below is a quote. Please note that the United States President's Cancer Panel is saying there is a link between pesticide exposure and a shopping list of cancers.
"Nearly 1,400 pesticides have been registered
(i.e., approved) by the Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA) for agricultural and
non-agricultural use.214 Exposure to these
chemicals has been linked to brain/central
nervous system (CNS), breast, colon, lung,
ovarian (female spouses), pancreatic, kidney,
testicular, and stomach cancers, as well
as Hodgkin and non-Hodgkin lymphoma,
multiple myeloma, and soft tissue
sarcoma.147 Pesticide-exposed farmers,
pesticide applicators, crop duster pilots, and
manufacturers also have been found to have
elevated rates of prostate cancer, melanoma,
other skin cancers, and cancer of the lip.215
Approximately 40 chemicals classified
by the International Agency for Research
on Cancer (IARC) as known, probable, or
possible human carcinogens, are used
in EPA-registered pesticides now on the
market.216–219 Some of these chemicals
are used in several different pesticides; for
example, chromium trioxide, an IARC Class
1 carcinogen (carcinogenic to humans), is
used in 14 different pesticide products from
five different companies. Thus, the total
number of registered pesticide products
containing known or suspected carcinogens
is far greater than 40, but few have been
severely restricted in the United States.
Among those that have been banned, or had
their use restricted, are DDT, ethylene oxide,
dimethlhydrazine, hexachlorobenzene, and
some chlorophenoxy herbicides.215
Here's another quote which sums up my thoughts:
"I believe it is time for a new human experiment. The
old experiment…is that we have sprayed pesticides
which are inherent poisons…throughout our shared
environment. They are now in amniotic fluid. They’re in
our blood. They’re in our urine. They’re in our exhaled
breath. They are in mothers’ milk….What is the burden
of cancer that we can attribute to this use of poisons
in our agricultural system?...We won’t really know
the answer until we do the other experiment, which
is to take the poisons out of our food chain, embrace a
different kind of agriculture, and see what happens."
And how, pray tell, do you think they identify these "suspected carcinogens"?
THE AMES TEST!!!!!!!0 -
This thread should get interesting...
Nothing to add except a lot of laughing, and the fact that I F****** love House.
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Once again the pack dogs start to circle around, corner and snarl at someone that has a differing opinion. If you believe baby carrots are healthy then go ahead and eat them. She isn't saying you have to. She started the thread as a way to get involved being a newbie and to see what foods other people gave up after learning new info. WHy on world would you attack her profile picture. FOr all you know it's there as a reminder of how she DOESN'T want to eat now that she's focusing on weight loss. Maybe it's a picture she's fond of because it reminds her of a particularly special day with her child, maybe it shows her highest weight and she is proud she's going down from there. Why the personal insults when all she said is:
"What is the one food that you used to think was a healthy choice that you have since learned otherwise?
For me its the Baby Carrots. Learning they are doused in chlorine and "bred" to be little ~ it grosses me out enough to not eat them anymore. What's your food?
What is so lacking in your character and heart that you would decide to taunt, mock, degrade and upset this woman for starting this thread?0 -
Baby carrots are cut from larger "imperfect" carrots. They are not 'bred". They are rinsed in a chlorine solution, then rinsed again with clean water. Do you not wash your veggies before eating them?
Not in bleach, I don't!
Almost all city waters have chlorine so do you filter your water before washing everything?0 -
Penn & Teller did a funny bit on B*ll**** where they chopped several fruits in half then told people one half was organic and the other half was non-organic. The vast majority of the people said the organic half (keep in mind again, this was from the same fruit) tasted better. Organic is marketing hype. Feel free to pay double for your veggies though if you really feel the need.
I prefer not to eat pesticides with my meals. I also prefer to have my veggies grown in nutrient rich soil.
Why do you think organic produce doesn't use pesticides?
With regard to pesticides, it must also be noted that organic farming, while using methods to minimize pests and the need for pesticides, still uses organic, rather than synthetic, pesticides. For example a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture is commonly used. Such pesticides are not as well studied as synthetic pesticides, often require more applications, and may persist longer in the soil. In fact the use of “natural” pesticides is nothing more than an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy – there really is no evidence for superior safety, and they have not been adequately studied.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/is-organic-food-more-healthful/
That's interesting about rotenone-pyrethrin I'll have to look into that because that is news to me. Thanks for the heads up.
We grow huge organic gardens and raspberries and we have never used ANY organic or synthetic pesticides. When we don't have it growing in our own garden or greenhouse, then I buy organic produce from a privately owned health food store that buys local, organic produce as much as possible. I'll have to ask them if they use any organic pesticides.
I do know that in the article linked below, "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."
http://www.rodale.com/health-benefits-organic?page=0,1
The way I look at is this. Big agri-business knows that consumers are demanding organic produce. They only offer organics now because they know they have to. Some states have laxer laws than others regarding organic farming requirements for certification. So I've been reluctant to buy organic produce from the big box stores because I've been concerned their organic produce is farmed using the least stringent standards . . . because after all they aren't offering organics because they necessarily feel passionate about it . . . they're going to offer it the cheapest way possible. On the other hand, I feel a local organic farm or small organic farm is growing organically because they feel passionately about clean food.
I'm laughing because I started by saying I prefer not to eat pesticides with my vegetables and that I prefer to eat vegetables grown from nutrient rich soil. Then it was pointed out that some possibly toxic "organic" pesticides are being used by some organic farms. I said thanks for the heads up and I'd look into it and see if the farms use any "organic" pesticides where I get veggies . . . also noting that we grow a high percentage of our food. I also noted that "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals." And then you poo pooed the President's Cancer Panel's report and instead gave me information regarding the hazards of rodent feces in coffee vs non organically produce. I find your line of thinking funny.
The link clearly show that the "chemicals" you claim are "toxic" are no more dangerous than the ones produced naturally by your precious organic produce.
Yep that's what you think. I think differently. Do you have a problem with that?
You can think whatever you want.
My position is supported by evidence, yours is not.
Then why is did "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."
You'll have to ask them. But a 3-person panel, one of whom is a steroid-fueled former cyclist, is far from the best resource for scientific information.
Edit: On closer inspection, Lance is no longer on the panel. But one of the members is listed as a "Cancer Survivor", with no other credentials.
Not exactly an expert on the sciences.
What are you talking about?
As of August 2006, the Panel consists of LaSalle D. Leffall, Jr., M.D., F.A.C.S. (Chair), Lance Armstrong, and Margaret L. Kripke, Ph.D.
The current cancer panel:
January 2013
PRESIDENT’S CANCER PANEL
CHAIRPERSON
Barbara K. Rimer, Dr.P.H.
201
3
Dean
Gillings School of Global
Public
Health
Alumni Distinguished Professor
of Health Behavior and Health Education
Hill Harper, J.D.
2013
Cancer Survivor
4 Time New York Times Best
-
Selling Author, Actor &
Owen N. Witte, M.D.
2014
Director
Eli and Edythe Broad Center of Regenerative
Medicine and
Stem Cell Research
So we have a three-person panel, only one of whom is a scientist.
Here's a full report put out by the President's Cancer Panel called "Reducing Environmental Cancer Risks: What We Can Do Now".
http://deainfo.nci.nih.gov/advisory/pcp/annualReports/pcp08-09rpt/PCP_Report_08-09_508.pdf
There is a whole section called "Exposure to Contaminants from Agricultural Sources". Below is a quote. Please note that the United States President's Cancer Panel is saying there is a link between pesticide exposure and a shopping list of cancers.
"Nearly 1,400 pesticides have been registered
(i.e., approved) by the Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA) for agricultural and
non-agricultural use.214 Exposure to these
chemicals has been linked to brain/central
nervous system (CNS), breast, colon, lung,
ovarian (female spouses), pancreatic, kidney,
testicular, and stomach cancers, as well
as Hodgkin and non-Hodgkin lymphoma,
multiple myeloma, and soft tissue
sarcoma.147 Pesticide-exposed farmers,
pesticide applicators, crop duster pilots, and
manufacturers also have been found to have
elevated rates of prostate cancer, melanoma,
other skin cancers, and cancer of the lip.215
Approximately 40 chemicals classified
by the International Agency for Research
on Cancer (IARC) as known, probable, or
possible human carcinogens, are used
in EPA-registered pesticides now on the
market.216–219 Some of these chemicals
are used in several different pesticides; for
example, chromium trioxide, an IARC Class
1 carcinogen (carcinogenic to humans), is
used in 14 different pesticide products from
five different companies. Thus, the total
number of registered pesticide products
containing known or suspected carcinogens
is far greater than 40, but few have been
severely restricted in the United States.
Among those that have been banned, or had
their use restricted, are DDT, ethylene oxide,
dimethlhydrazine, hexachlorobenzene, and
some chlorophenoxy herbicides.215
Here's another quote which sums up my thoughts:
"I believe it is time for a new human experiment. The
old experiment…is that we have sprayed pesticides
which are inherent poisons…throughout our shared
environment. They are now in amniotic fluid. They’re in
our blood. They’re in our urine. They’re in our exhaled
breath. They are in mothers’ milk….What is the burden
of cancer that we can attribute to this use of poisons
in our agricultural system?...We won’t really know
the answer until we do the other experiment, which
is to take the poisons out of our food chain, embrace a
different kind of agriculture, and see what happens."
And how, pray tell, do you think they identify these "suspected carcinogens"?
THE AMES TEST!!!!!!!
Maybe you should ask the United States President's Cancer Panel after all they came up with this report. Oh wait, their report doesn't count either?0 -
What about those cuties!? I mean, what do they DO to them to make them so easy to peel. Screw that, I'll take a Blizzard because I KNOW what's in that.0
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What is the one food that you used to think was a healthy choice that you have since learned otherwise?
For me its the Baby Carrots. Learning they are doused in chlorine and "bred" to be little ~ it grosses me out enough to not eat them anymore. What's your food?
i once thought a DQ blizzard was healthy since it had so much go stuff in it....I know now it is not healthy....maybe we should put some baby carrots into it..make it a bit healthier....and they are bred to be baby so they do fit in the DQ blizzard.
SERIOUSLY??? YOU want to make fun of me for having an old picture of a blizzard? interesting! You, of all people, are not one to judge someone else!
Kinda curious as to what you mean when YOU say this to her?0 -
Penn & Teller did a funny bit on B*ll**** where they chopped several fruits in half then told people one half was organic and the other half was non-organic. The vast majority of the people said the organic half (keep in mind again, this was from the same fruit) tasted better. Organic is marketing hype. Feel free to pay double for your veggies though if you really feel the need.
I prefer not to eat pesticides with my meals. I also prefer to have my veggies grown in nutrient rich soil.
Why do you think organic produce doesn't use pesticides?
With regard to pesticides, it must also be noted that organic farming, while using methods to minimize pests and the need for pesticides, still uses organic, rather than synthetic, pesticides. For example a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture is commonly used. Such pesticides are not as well studied as synthetic pesticides, often require more applications, and may persist longer in the soil. In fact the use of “natural” pesticides is nothing more than an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy – there really is no evidence for superior safety, and they have not been adequately studied.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/is-organic-food-more-healthful/
That's interesting about rotenone-pyrethrin I'll have to look into that because that is news to me. Thanks for the heads up.
We grow huge organic gardens and raspberries and we have never used ANY organic or synthetic pesticides. When we don't have it growing in our own garden or greenhouse, then I buy organic produce from a privately owned health food store that buys local, organic produce as much as possible. I'll have to ask them if they use any organic pesticides.
I do know that in the article linked below, "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."
http://www.rodale.com/health-benefits-organic?page=0,1
The way I look at is this. Big agri-business knows that consumers are demanding organic produce. They only offer organics now because they know they have to. Some states have laxer laws than others regarding organic farming requirements for certification. So I've been reluctant to buy organic produce from the big box stores because I've been concerned their organic produce is farmed using the least stringent standards . . . because after all they aren't offering organics because they necessarily feel passionate about it . . . they're going to offer it the cheapest way possible. On the other hand, I feel a local organic farm or small organic farm is growing organically because they feel passionately about clean food.
I'm laughing because I started by saying I prefer not to eat pesticides with my vegetables and that I prefer to eat vegetables grown from nutrient rich soil. Then it was pointed out that some possibly toxic "organic" pesticides are being used by some organic farms. I said thanks for the heads up and I'd look into it and see if the farms use any "organic" pesticides where I get veggies . . . also noting that we grow a high percentage of our food. I also noted that "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals." And then you poo pooed the President's Cancer Panel's report and instead gave me information regarding the hazards of rodent feces in coffee vs non organically produce. I find your line of thinking funny.
The link clearly show that the "chemicals" you claim are "toxic" are no more dangerous than the ones produced naturally by your precious organic produce.
Yep that's what you think. I think differently. Do you have a problem with that?
You can think whatever you want.
My position is supported by evidence, yours is not.
Then why is did "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."
You'll have to ask them. But a 3-person panel, one of whom is a steroid-fueled former cyclist, is far from the best resource for scientific information.
Edit: On closer inspection, Lance is no longer on the panel. But one of the members is listed as a "Cancer Survivor", with no other credentials.
Not exactly an expert on the sciences.
What are you talking about?
As of August 2006, the Panel consists of LaSalle D. Leffall, Jr., M.D., F.A.C.S. (Chair), Lance Armstrong, and Margaret L. Kripke, Ph.D.
The current cancer panel:
January 2013
PRESIDENT’S CANCER PANEL
CHAIRPERSON
Barbara K. Rimer, Dr.P.H.
201
3
Dean
Gillings School of Global
Public
Health
Alumni Distinguished Professor
of Health Behavior and Health Education
Hill Harper, J.D.
2013
Cancer Survivor
4 Time New York Times Best
-
Selling Author, Actor &
Owen N. Witte, M.D.
2014
Director
Eli and Edythe Broad Center of Regenerative
Medicine and
Stem Cell Research
So we have a three-person panel, only one of whom is a scientist.
Here's a full report put out by the President's Cancer Panel called "Reducing Environmental Cancer Risks: What We Can Do Now".
http://deainfo.nci.nih.gov/advisory/pcp/annualReports/pcp08-09rpt/PCP_Report_08-09_508.pdf
There is a whole section called "Exposure to Contaminants from Agricultural Sources". Below is a quote. Please note that the United States President's Cancer Panel is saying there is a link between pesticide exposure and a shopping list of cancers.
"Nearly 1,400 pesticides have been registered
(i.e., approved) by the Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA) for agricultural and
non-agricultural use.214 Exposure to these
chemicals has been linked to brain/central
nervous system (CNS), breast, colon, lung,
ovarian (female spouses), pancreatic, kidney,
testicular, and stomach cancers, as well
as Hodgkin and non-Hodgkin lymphoma,
multiple myeloma, and soft tissue
sarcoma.147 Pesticide-exposed farmers,
pesticide applicators, crop duster pilots, and
manufacturers also have been found to have
elevated rates of prostate cancer, melanoma,
other skin cancers, and cancer of the lip.215
Approximately 40 chemicals classified
by the International Agency for Research
on Cancer (IARC) as known, probable, or
possible human carcinogens, are used
in EPA-registered pesticides now on the
market.216–219 Some of these chemicals
are used in several different pesticides; for
example, chromium trioxide, an IARC Class
1 carcinogen (carcinogenic to humans), is
used in 14 different pesticide products from
five different companies. Thus, the total
number of registered pesticide products
containing known or suspected carcinogens
is far greater than 40, but few have been
severely restricted in the United States.
Among those that have been banned, or had
their use restricted, are DDT, ethylene oxide,
dimethlhydrazine, hexachlorobenzene, and
some chlorophenoxy herbicides.215
Here's another quote which sums up my thoughts:
"I believe it is time for a new human experiment. The
old experiment…is that we have sprayed pesticides
which are inherent poisons…throughout our shared
environment. They are now in amniotic fluid. They’re in
our blood. They’re in our urine. They’re in our exhaled
breath. They are in mothers’ milk….What is the burden
of cancer that we can attribute to this use of poisons
in our agricultural system?...We won’t really know
the answer until we do the other experiment, which
is to take the poisons out of our food chain, embrace a
different kind of agriculture, and see what happens."
And how, pray tell, do you think they identify these "suspected carcinogens"?
THE AMES TEST!!!!!!!
Maybe you should ask the United States President's Cancer Panel after all they came up with this report. Oh wait, their report doesn't count either?
Actually I'm sure that if you just read the report you'll see how. In the report it does say that these toxins can be measured being released from urine, breath, mother's milk and more.0 -
Penn & Teller did a funny bit on B*ll**** where they chopped several fruits in half then told people one half was organic and the other half was non-organic. The vast majority of the people said the organic half (keep in mind again, this was from the same fruit) tasted better. Organic is marketing hype. Feel free to pay double for your veggies though if you really feel the need.
I prefer not to eat pesticides with my meals. I also prefer to have my veggies grown in nutrient rich soil.
Why do you think organic produce doesn't use pesticides?
With regard to pesticides, it must also be noted that organic farming, while using methods to minimize pests and the need for pesticides, still uses organic, rather than synthetic, pesticides. For example a rotenone-pyrethrin mixture is commonly used. Such pesticides are not as well studied as synthetic pesticides, often require more applications, and may persist longer in the soil. In fact the use of “natural” pesticides is nothing more than an appeal to the naturalistic fallacy – there really is no evidence for superior safety, and they have not been adequately studied.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/is-organic-food-more-healthful/
That's interesting about rotenone-pyrethrin I'll have to look into that because that is news to me. Thanks for the heads up.
We grow huge organic gardens and raspberries and we have never used ANY organic or synthetic pesticides. When we don't have it growing in our own garden or greenhouse, then I buy organic produce from a privately owned health food store that buys local, organic produce as much as possible. I'll have to ask them if they use any organic pesticides.
I do know that in the article linked below, "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."
http://www.rodale.com/health-benefits-organic?page=0,1
The way I look at is this. Big agri-business knows that consumers are demanding organic produce. They only offer organics now because they know they have to. Some states have laxer laws than others regarding organic farming requirements for certification. So I've been reluctant to buy organic produce from the big box stores because I've been concerned their organic produce is farmed using the least stringent standards . . . because after all they aren't offering organics because they necessarily feel passionate about it . . . they're going to offer it the cheapest way possible. On the other hand, I feel a local organic farm or small organic farm is growing organically because they feel passionately about clean food.
I'm laughing because I started by saying I prefer not to eat pesticides with my vegetables and that I prefer to eat vegetables grown from nutrient rich soil. Then it was pointed out that some possibly toxic "organic" pesticides are being used by some organic farms. I said thanks for the heads up and I'd look into it and see if the farms use any "organic" pesticides where I get veggies . . . also noting that we grow a high percentage of our food. I also noted that "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals." And then you poo pooed the President's Cancer Panel's report and instead gave me information regarding the hazards of rodent feces in coffee vs non organically produce. I find your line of thinking funny.
The link clearly show that the "chemicals" you claim are "toxic" are no more dangerous than the ones produced naturally by your precious organic produce.
Yep that's what you think. I think differently. Do you have a problem with that?
You can think whatever you want.
My position is supported by evidence, yours is not.
Then why is did "the President's Cancer Panel released a report urging Americans to eat organic food, among other strategies, to reduce their exposure to harmful chemicals."
You'll have to ask them. But a 3-person panel, one of whom is a steroid-fueled former cyclist, is far from the best resource for scientific information.
Edit: On closer inspection, Lance is no longer on the panel. But one of the members is listed as a "Cancer Survivor", with no other credentials.
Not exactly an expert on the sciences.
What are you talking about?
As of August 2006, the Panel consists of LaSalle D. Leffall, Jr., M.D., F.A.C.S. (Chair), Lance Armstrong, and Margaret L. Kripke, Ph.D.
The current cancer panel:
January 2013
PRESIDENT’S CANCER PANEL
CHAIRPERSON
Barbara K. Rimer, Dr.P.H.
201
3
Dean
Gillings School of Global
Public
Health
Alumni Distinguished Professor
of Health Behavior and Health Education
Hill Harper, J.D.
2013
Cancer Survivor
4 Time New York Times Best
-
Selling Author, Actor &
Owen N. Witte, M.D.
2014
Director
Eli and Edythe Broad Center of Regenerative
Medicine and
Stem Cell Research
So we have a three-person panel, only one of whom is a scientist.
Here's a full report put out by the President's Cancer Panel called "Reducing Environmental Cancer Risks: What We Can Do Now".
http://deainfo.nci.nih.gov/advisory/pcp/annualReports/pcp08-09rpt/PCP_Report_08-09_508.pdf
There is a whole section called "Exposure to Contaminants from Agricultural Sources". Below is a quote. Please note that the United States President's Cancer Panel is saying there is a link between pesticide exposure and a shopping list of cancers.
"Nearly 1,400 pesticides have been registered
(i.e., approved) by the Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA) for agricultural and
non-agricultural use.214 Exposure to these
chemicals has been linked to brain/central
nervous system (CNS), breast, colon, lung,
ovarian (female spouses), pancreatic, kidney,
testicular, and stomach cancers, as well
as Hodgkin and non-Hodgkin lymphoma,
multiple myeloma, and soft tissue
sarcoma.147 Pesticide-exposed farmers,
pesticide applicators, crop duster pilots, and
manufacturers also have been found to have
elevated rates of prostate cancer, melanoma,
other skin cancers, and cancer of the lip.215
Approximately 40 chemicals classified
by the International Agency for Research
on Cancer (IARC) as known, probable, or
possible human carcinogens, are used
in EPA-registered pesticides now on the
market.216–219 Some of these chemicals
are used in several different pesticides; for
example, chromium trioxide, an IARC Class
1 carcinogen (carcinogenic to humans), is
used in 14 different pesticide products from
five different companies. Thus, the total
number of registered pesticide products
containing known or suspected carcinogens
is far greater than 40, but few have been
severely restricted in the United States.
Among those that have been banned, or had
their use restricted, are DDT, ethylene oxide,
dimethlhydrazine, hexachlorobenzene, and
some chlorophenoxy herbicides.215
Here's another quote which sums up my thoughts:
"I believe it is time for a new human experiment. The
old experiment…is that we have sprayed pesticides
which are inherent poisons…throughout our shared
environment. They are now in amniotic fluid. They’re in
our blood. They’re in our urine. They’re in our exhaled
breath. They are in mothers’ milk….What is the burden
of cancer that we can attribute to this use of poisons
in our agricultural system?...We won’t really know
the answer until we do the other experiment, which
is to take the poisons out of our food chain, embrace a
different kind of agriculture, and see what happens."
And how, pray tell, do you think they identify these "suspected carcinogens"?
THE AMES TEST!!!!!!!
Maybe you should ask the United States President's Cancer Panel after all they came up with this report. Oh wait, their report doesn't count either?
No it doesn't
The opinion of political appointees does not trump primary research. That's how science works.0 -
I am not exactly sure what happened to MFP and when it became such a cynical, mean spirited community; however, for your question I would say this.
Sure, getting your veggies straight from your garden, rinsed with clean water (most tap water also contains chlorine), and straight to your plate would be ideal.
That goes for just about any food, even meat would be best if it was grass fed, or hunted and no processing. You have to kind of choose your battles on this one and do the best most reasonable things you can do within your lifestyle, budget, and reality.
If you can only afford some organic a good rule of thumb is if it has a thicker skin (melons, bananas) it is less likely that the chemicals made it to your food. So buy your skinless, thin skinned organics first.
Life is a balance and a journey, do the best you can, in the end we all die so leave some room for enjoyment.
One thing I do avoid like the plague is corn, but that is because of Monsanto.. Evil company right there.0 -
IARC has a rather comprehensive list of known and possible carcinogens.And how, pray tell, do you think they identify these "suspected carcinogens"?
THE AMES TEST!!!!!!!
It's a rather shocking list. Most people shouldn't read it because you'll never leave your house.0 -
What is the one food that you used to think was a healthy choice that you have since learned otherwise?
For me its the Baby Carrots. Learning they are doused in chlorine and "bred" to be little ~ it grosses me out enough to not eat them anymore. What's your food?
i once thought a DQ blizzard was healthy since it had so much go stuff in it....I know now it is not healthy....maybe we should put some baby carrots into it..make it a bit healthier....and they are bred to be baby so they do fit in the DQ blizzard.
SERIOUSLY??? YOU want to make fun of me for having an old picture of a blizzard? interesting! You, of all people, are not one to judge someone else!
Maybe she isn't the one to judge someone else but I sure am.
I judge you because you use old pictures as your profile picture... nothing to do with baby carrots or blizzards..
however a carrot blizzard might be tastey... maybe we could make a carrot cake blizzard I would eat the *kitten* out of that.
that sounds delicious.0 -
I am not exactly sure what happened to MFP and when it became such a cynical, mean spirited community; however, for your question I would say this.
Sure, getting your veggies straight from your garden, rinsed with clean water (most tap water also contains chlorine), and straight to your plate would be ideal.
That goes for just about any food, even meat would be best if it was grass fed, or hunted and no processing. You have to kind of choose your battles on this one and do the best most reasonable things you can do within your lifestyle, budget, and reality.
If you can only afford some organic a good rule of thumb is if it has a thicker skin (melons, bananas) it is less likely that the chemicals made it to your food. So buy your skinless, thin skinned organics first.
Life is a balance and a journey, do the best you can, in the end we all die so leave some room for enjoyment.
One thing I do avoid like the plague is corn, but that is because of Monsanto.. Evil company right there.
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ANd I love your tip about the thick vs thin skinned produce! That's why avocados are one of the fruits you can safely buy non organic, now it makes sense. Thanks!0 -
Don't use water from a hose. Most hoses still contain lead in the brass fittings and the hose itself (keeps it pliable).I am not exactly sure what happened to MFP and when it became such a cynical, mean spirited community; however, for your question I would say this.
Sure, getting your veggies straight from your garden, rinsed with clean water (most tap water also contains chlorine), and straight to your plate would be ideal.0 -
OAN: The only true orgaic you are going to get is if you grow it yourself - or you get if from a local farmer... most organic in grocery stores isn't all that much different than non-organic but its more expenisve.
Also MFP has never been a nice place... everyone thinks its terribly mean because other point out the truth, or want actual proof of what your spilling... ... so pull up your big girl/boy panties and move on. it is just the internet afterall.
And 90% of everything you come in contact with has some kind of poison in/on or near it so suck it up ... its life... don't live in fear or you wont be living at all.
What makes you think any of us are living in fear? lol That's such a crock and a cop out. I'll tell you how I am NOT living though, I'm not living in judgement of others. I'm not living with ugliness in my heart. And I don't misbehave in person or on an internet forum and then later justify it by claiming to just be pointing out the truth. You and others on here once again are mocking, belittling, harrassing and acting as I said, like a pack of very ugly angry dogs. You really should see if your behavior matches how you really want to be as a human being.0 -
Now, I'm not a special snowflake, but I've lost close to 50lbs in under six months mostly eating heathily, (veggies and all that) but also included on a frequent basis eating nachos and drinking beers and eating McDonald's (and it wasn't a salad!! Gasp!!)
So honestly, I don't believe in "bad food". Well, I do, but not in the way that most people associste bad food = weight gain.
But yeah, I was shocked at how many calories bananas had.0 -
Making a judgmental post about how you aren't judgemental. The irony is thick, here.OAN: The only true orgaic you are going to get is if you grow it yourself - or you get if from a local farmer... most organic in grocery stores isn't all that much different than non-organic but its more expenisve.
Also MFP has never been a nice place... everyone thinks its terribly mean because other point out the truth, or want actual proof of what your spilling... ... so pull up your big girl/boy panties and move on. it is just the internet afterall.
And 90% of everything you come in contact with has some kind of poison in/on or near it so suck it up ... its life... don't live in fear or you wont be living at all.
What makes you think any of us are living in fear? lol That's such a crock and a cop out. I'll tell you how I am NOT living though, I'm not living in judgement of others. I'm not living with ugliness in my heart. And I don't misbehave in person or on an internet forum and then later justify it by claiming to just be pointing out the truth. You and others on here once again are mocking, belittling, harrassing and acting as I said, like a pack of very ugly angry dogs. You really should see if your behavior matches how you really want to be as a human being.0 -
Making a judgmental post about how you aren't judgemental. The irony is thick, here.OAN: The only true orgaic you are going to get is if you grow it yourself - or you get if from a local farmer... most organic in grocery stores isn't all that much different than non-organic but its more expenisve.
Also MFP has never been a nice place... everyone thinks its terribly mean because other point out the truth, or want actual proof of what your spilling... ... so pull up your big girl/boy panties and move on. it is just the internet afterall.
And 90% of everything you come in contact with has some kind of poison in/on or near it so suck it up ... its life... don't live in fear or you wont be living at all.
What makes you think any of us are living in fear? lol That's such a crock and a cop out. I'll tell you how I am NOT living though, I'm not living in judgement of others. I'm not living with ugliness in my heart. And I don't misbehave in person or on an internet forum and then later justify it by claiming to just be pointing out the truth. You and others on here once again are mocking, belittling, harrassing and acting as I said, like a pack of very ugly angry dogs. You really should see if your behavior matches how you really want to be as a human being.
ill make her a baby carrot blizzard, maybe that will calm things down.0 -
Baby carrots are cut from larger "imperfect" carrots. They are not 'bred". They are rinsed in a chlorine solution, then rinsed again with clean water. Do you not wash your veggies before eating them?
Not in bleach, I don't!
If you're rinsing them with city water you are. We're already drinking chlorine, washing in chlorine, swimming in chlorine, and brushing our teeth with chlorine. Some diluted and sprayed on your carrots is the least of our worries.0 -
Making a judgmental post about how you aren't judgemental. The irony is thick, here.OAN: The only true orgaic you are going to get is if you grow it yourself - or you get if from a local farmer... most organic in grocery stores isn't all that much different than non-organic but its more expenisve.
Also MFP has never been a nice place... everyone thinks its terribly mean because other point out the truth, or want actual proof of what your spilling... ... so pull up your big girl/boy panties and move on. it is just the internet afterall.
And 90% of everything you come in contact with has some kind of poison in/on or near it so suck it up ... its life... don't live in fear or you wont be living at all.
What makes you think any of us are living in fear? lol That's such a crock and a cop out. I'll tell you how I am NOT living though, I'm not living in judgement of others. I'm not living with ugliness in my heart. And I don't misbehave in person or on an internet forum and then later justify it by claiming to just be pointing out the truth. You and others on here once again are mocking, belittling, harrassing and acting as I said, like a pack of very ugly angry dogs. You really should see if your behavior matches how you really want to be as a human being.
mocking? belitting? harassing? hrm nope not my intention I was just stating my opinion. I am sorry that made you feel bad. No really I am. However; what you do see is what you get. I would say the exact same thing in person as I would on this internet forum. Do I have ugliness in my heart? yeah in your opinion probably but that makes my little black heart really kind of happy so eh. As you can see your opinion on telling me I have ugliness in my heart really doesn't bother me.
My behaviour as you say is just fine. I am a 30 year old woman who will end up in a time out because people like you get your panties in a bunch that I stated an opinion and Olivia will once again be in my inbox giving me a slap on the wrist like I am in Kindergarten but I am ok with it.
If you really do not like what I have to say you can ignore me there is a fancy feature under my profile pic - click that drop down ignore user easy peasy ... for real... relaxxxxxxxxxx its the internet if it hurts your feelings shut the browser, hit the power button and walk away.0
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