Has any one tried CLA?
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The point that Dav was making wasn't that the CLA made the difference. You've missed that... and I'm not trolling you. If I were, I'd recommend green coffee extract enemas or something else stupid that wouldn't make a difference. I'm sorry you missed the point here.And thanks for the apology, there's really no need in trolling anyone who has a different opinion than yours (or others). I think we all agree with what DavPul stated, I just chose to skip his last statement. CLA is certainly not the worst thing someone could buy, we might as well all say the same about every single naturally occurring supplement out there. Points have been taken here, I don't see the need for double posting the same study over and over, re-adding the same quotes.. the point has been taken that certain folks here think it's a waste and OP can read through all the posts herself.
I got that point and again, not referring to you, talking in general terms. Like I said and agreeing with you here that there are so many supplements out there, just wanted to make it known that some bodybuilders do use it.. its their money to spend (or not). I think CLA can compliment a fat loss regime but I also agree with DavPul that people can go without. Cheers0 -
I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.
Can the trolls come out and attack this post too? Never heard of this stuff, sounds like a money waster, more so than CLA. It's kinda funny cause the people posting about how it doesn't work are the ones who are already built - therefore, it wouldn't have an effect on them whatsoever.
Trolls apparently are people who disagree with you? Even ones that actually cite peer reviewed studies? Right! Got it. Not sure what 'built' means, but you may want to look at people's tickers.
I was referring to you actually.. it's kinda sad that you have so much time to quote my posts in order to re-add someone else's quote to reaffirm your opinion. Let me have my opinion, I let you have yours. We saw your studies, in fact last year I read that same study. Most of us here can research ourselves, thanks for posting it but it didn't need to be quoted twice. That is why you come off as a troll.
I posted studies...that makes me a troll? Really? Okey dokey then. I addressed the repost above.
Suggestion: learn what the word troll means.
And lolz re the comment about so much time...lets see who has spent the most amount of time one this thread?
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I posted studies...that makes me a troll? Really? Okey dokey then. I addressed the repost above.
Suggestion: learn what the word troll means.
And lolz re the comment about so much time...lets see who has spent the most amount of time one this thread?
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Have a good one :laugh:
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I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.
Can the trolls come out and attack this post too? Never heard of this stuff, sounds like a money waster, more so than CLA. It's kinda funny cause the people posting about how it doesn't work are the ones who are already built - therefore, it wouldn't have an effect on them whatsoever.
Trolls apparently are people who disagree with you? Even ones that actually cite peer reviewed studies? Right! Got it. Not sure what 'built' means, but you may want to look at people's tickers.
I was referring to you actually.. it's kinda sad that you have so much time to quote my posts in order to re-add someone else's quote to reaffirm your opinion. Let me have my opinion, I let you have yours. We saw your studies, in fact last year I read that same study. Most of us here can research ourselves, thanks for posting it but it didn't need to be quoted twice. That is why you come off as a troll.
I posted studies...that makes me a troll? Really? Okey dokey then. I addressed the repost above.
Suggestion: learn what the word troll means.
And lolz re the comment about so much time...lets see who has spent the most amount of time one this thread?
Yeah that kind of confused me. Posting studies that support an opposing argument equals troll now? That's new.
And to point out - you said it was unnecessary for Sara to re-post her study, yet you re-posted Dav's post...and not only that you, you messed with the quote to fit your point. And I say messed with because adding the bottom portion of it really does change the tone and message.
ETA: Sara's post was really on re-posted once. It wasn't like she was spamming the threads with it.0 -
I got that point and again, not referring to you, talking in general terms. Like I said and agreeing with you here that there are so many supplements out there, just wanted to make it known that some bodybuilders do use it.. its their money to spend (or not). I think CLA can compliment a fat loss regime but I also agree with DavPul that people can go without. Cheers
This is actually about the right of it. I actually DO have CLA sitting on my shelf right now. I think, anyway. I haven't used it in months and honestly can't remember if I ran out or not. I think that part speaks volumes for how effective I believe it is.
So my original post, while sarcastic in tone, was the stone truth of the matter. Feel free to try it, but the only thing you can count on is the deficit and exercise. Maybe it helps 2-5%. Who knows?
I really don't have a problem if someone wants to fit CLA or ketones or whatever into their budget. It's your money and your body. But WAY to many people try to make the miracle pill the center of their plan instead of diet and exercise.0 -
I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.
Can the trolls come out and attack this post too? Never heard of this stuff, sounds like a money waster, more so than CLA. It's kinda funny cause the people posting about how it doesn't work are the ones who are already built - therefore, it wouldn't have an effect on them whatsoever.
do u even lift brah?0 -
I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.
Can the trolls come out and attack this post too? Never heard of this stuff, sounds like a money waster, more so than CLA. It's kinda funny cause the people posting about how it doesn't work are the ones who are already built - therefore, it wouldn't have an effect on them whatsoever.
Trolls apparently are people who disagree with you? Even ones that actually cite peer reviewed studies? Right! Got it. Not sure what 'built' means, but you may want to look at people's tickers.
Of course, what we really need is anecdata, not science.
All these answers where people say "it works" but also adjusted their exercise and/or diet should tell you what you (OP) should really be focusing on.0 -
I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.
Not "maybe". The changing your diet part is what IS helping. The pill is not what's doing the work - YOU ARE. Own that, don't give it away to a pill that isn't doing a damn thing.Can the trolls come out and attack this post too? Never heard of this stuff, sounds like a money waster, more so than CLA. It's kinda funny cause the people posting about how it doesn't work are the ones who are already built - therefore, it wouldn't have an effect on them whatsoever.
I am unaware of any pill that says "THIS DUDE HAS LIFTED TOO MUCH WE CANNOT ENGAGE, SIR" and reverses course for the next overweight person.0 -
hey OP...take the crap, just you plan on.
lose the initial weight, and when you decide you dont wanna pay for the crap anymore and gain weight back, cmon back and reread the responses in here. then, do it right and enjoy the successes brought to you by dedication, will power, and hard work. (just like those who told you NOT to take the crap)
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thanks... your are so rightspend the money you'd be spendind in the supplement store on grassfed meats and eggs. Yah, you don't get as much as you would from a pill, but its in its natural form, rather than processed and extracted. And you'll eat better in general.0 -
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:When Oprah is skinny then there might be reason to think Dr Oz found something that worked.0 -
thanks.... I think i will stop taking it after a month for a month just to see the differenceI have taken it and as long as I stayed on the suggested foods it worked... I have looked at a lot of the things which Oz has suggested and some work for me while others well don't do so well... Keep doing what you are doing... And as you said there is no magic pill....but there are some out there that do help.... Keep losing..you are doing great....0 -
this answer is win.I tried CLA and it worked great!!!! The only thing that while you are using it, you have to make sure you're eating in a calorie deficit. Oh, and doing some exercise will help too.
1. Eat in a deficit.
2. Exercise.
3. Use CLA
Bonus tip. As long as you are doing 1 and 2, you can replace CLA in #3 with virtually any product you want to blow your money on.0 -
hey OP...take the crap, just you plan on.
lose the initial weight, and when you decide you dont wanna pay for the crap anymore and gain weight back, cmon back and reread the responses in here. then, do it right and enjoy the successes brought to you by dedication, will power, and hard work. (just like those who told you NOT to take the crap)
out.
ok so maybe you didnt read anything I posted?!?! :grumble:
lets try reading before we post!0 -
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^Well.... that was random0
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I have been taking CLA for a few months, I take about 6000mg a day. I haven't lost any weight while using it, but I have noticed a difference in my body composition. My stomach is leaner/flatter. I can't say it's just the pills doing this, but I like to think they have a little something to do with it. They also help to really clean out the system.0
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I was in to see my doctor yesterday and we were discussing ways in which to lose my belly fat. Of course we talked about diet and exercise, but I also asked him if there were any supplements that he would recommend and he immediately said CLA so I am going to give it a try0
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walk back and slap your dr.I was in to see my doctor yesterday and we were discussing ways in which to lose my belly fat. Of course we talked about diet and exercise, but I also asked him if there were any supplements that he would recommend and he immediately said CLA so I am going to give it a try
CLA doesn't target belly fat. Nothing does.
You wanna lose belly fat? Ensure you're at a caloric deficit, burn fat everywhere else, and eventually it will come off around the belly.0 -
I don't know if CLA works, I am trying it out to see if it helps with my efforts because several thyroid books by Drs. have suggested it to give it a try. I don't think its a magic pill. I exercise 6 days a week and eat clean too. But just for arguements sake here is study that is in favor of CLA to reduce fat and not weight. I found on the NIH publishing site so its an actual study.
Conjugated linoleic acid reduces body fat in healthy exercising humans.
Thom E, Wadstein J, Gudmundsen O.
SourcePAREXEL Norway AS, 1 Lillestrøm. erling.thom@parexel.com
Erratum in
J Int Med Res 2002 Mar-Apr;30(2):210. Dosage error in published abstract; MEDLINE/PubMed abstract corrected.
Abstract
This study was designed to investigate the efficacy and tolerability of daily conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) in healthy exercising humans. This was a random-double-blind, placebo-controlled study in 20 healthy humans of normal body weight and body mass index less than 25.0 kg/m2, who did standardized physical exercise in a gym for 90 min three times weekly. Participants took either placebo (hydrogel) or CLA 0.6 g [DOSAGE ERROR CORRECTED], three times daily, as two capsules during meals, for 12 weeks. Body fat, measured using near infrared light, was significantly reduced in the CLA group during the study, but not in the placebo group. No effects on body weight were observed. Tolerability was good and similar in the two groups. Compliance, as judged by the number of returned capsules, was more than 80% of the recommended dose for all participants. Thus CLA reduces body fat but not body weight in healthy exercising humans of normal body weight.0 -
Another study that it may be helpful in women with metabolic syndrome
Microencapsulated conjugated linoleic acid associated with hypocaloric diet reduces body fat in sedentary women with metabolic syndrome.
Carvalho RF, Uehara SK, Rosa G.
SourceMedicine Department, Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
Abstract
BACKGROUND: Animal studies have suggested beneficial effects of conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) in reducing body fat mass and improvement in the serum lipid profile and glycemia. However, these effects are controversial in humans. The purpose of this study was to investigate the effects of microencapsulated CLA supplementation on body composition, body mass index, waist circumference, and blood pressure in sedentary women with metabolic syndrome.
METHODS: This study was a placebo-controlled and randomized clinical trial. Fourteen women diagnosed with metabolic syndrome received light strawberry jam enriched or not with microencapsulated CLA (3 g/day) as a mixture of 38.57% cis-9, trans-11, and 39.76% trans-10, cis-12 CLA isomers associated with a hypocaloric diet for 90 days. The subjects were monitored to assess variables associated with the metabolic syndrome, in addition to assessing adherence with the intervention.
RESULTS: There were no significant effects of microencapsulated CLA on the lipid profile or blood pressure. Mean plasma insulin concentrations were significantly lower in women supplemented with microencapsulated CLA (Δ T₉₀ - T₀ = -12.87 ± 4.26 μU/mL, P = 0.02). Microencapsulated CLA supplementation did not alter the waist circumference, but there was a reduction in body fat mass detected after 30 days (Δ = -2.68% ± 0.82%, P = 0.02), which was maintained until the 90-day intervention period (Δ = -3.32% ± 1.41%, P = 0.02) in the microencapsulated CLA group. The placebo group showed this effect only after 90 days (Δ = -1.97% ± 0.60%, P = 0.02), but had a reduced waist circumference (Δ T₉₀ - T₀ = -4.25 ± 1.31 cm, P = 0.03).
CONCLUSION: Supplementation with mixed-isomer microencapsulated CLA may have a favorable effect on glycemic control and body fat mass loss at an earlier time in sedentary women with metabolic syndrome, although there were no effects on lipid profile and blood pressure.0 -
Nothing works as good as clean eating and exercise
^^^^ this.. CLA is Conjugated Linoleic Acid it can be found in meats mostly and dairy.. although usually not in enough amounts to make a difference.. Even supplementing w CLA you won't notice a difference WITHOUT clean eating and exercise..
Save your money buy a pair of workout pants that make your butt look good or a pair of workout shoes that make you want to workout!!0 -
You lost me at Dr. Oz. :sick:
^^^ This. Guy's an idiot!0 -
Yes Dr. Oz will promote anything. But you can find plenty of studies that are favorable for CLA supplementation. You still have do your part though with exercise and clean eating. Its something that is not going to hurt you, so anything is worth a shot if it aids in your efforts. People increase their protein through shakes and bars, etc. I don't see any difference than if you want to add natural occuring supplements.0
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I heard about CLA from my older brother, who is very into body building. He adds it to his supplements when he really has to lower his body fat and nothing is getting off the last bit. I have problems managing my blood sugar and I was going through a phase where I was just not building muscle or losing weight in my exercises. I changed my diet around to have more veggies and less refined carbs and tried the CLA for the second month. I did not drop like 5 pounds or anything like that, but with the diet change and the CLA it helped me to get off some stubborn fat on my hips and thighs. As for the rest of my body it was not a huge change, just on like the upper hips and inner thighs.0
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hey OP...take the crap, just you plan on.
lose the initial weight, and when you decide you dont wanna pay for the crap anymore and gain weight back, cmon back and reread the responses in here. then, do it right and enjoy the successes brought to you by dedication, will power, and hard work. (just like those who told you NOT to take the crap)
out.
ok so maybe you didnt read anything I posted?!?! :grumble:
lets try reading before we post!
-shrug- I wouldn't pay too much mind.. some people use it, even body builders while others don't. It's not an instant weight loss solution0 -
Yes Dr. Oz will promote anything. But you can find plenty of studies that are favorable for CLA supplementation. You still have do your part though with exercise and clean eating. Its something that is not going to hurt you, so anything is worth a shot if it aids in your efforts. People increase their protein through shakes and bars, etc. I don't see any difference than if you want to add natural occuring supplements.
Well said.. especially the comparison between protein supplements and naturally occurring ones. CLA compared to let's say some crap like ephedrine is much better (less side effects, risk of illness) and I don't really see it as a diet pill.
I'm kinda pissed Dr Oz backed this cause now it makes any positive studies that support the use of CLA look silly. Not looking to get into another argument about what I want to do with my own body but just sayin'.. when I was at 40% BF, it helped me reduce it dramatically. Compared to when I was the same BF% and without. And of course, I ate clean and exercised for atleast 30 mins per day.0 -
Yes Dr. Oz will promote anything. But you can find plenty of studies that are favorable for CLA supplementation. You still have do your part though with exercise and clean eating. Its something that is not going to hurt you, so anything is worth a shot if it aids in your efforts. People increase their protein through shakes and bars, etc. I don't see any difference than if you want to add natural occuring supplements.
Studies showing little or no effect of CLA supplementation for body comp
Beuker F, Haak H, Schwietz H. , editors. CLA and body styling. Symposium: Vitamine und Zusatzstoffe; Jena (Thhr.) 1999
Kreider RB, Ferreira MP, Greenwood M, Wilson M, Almada AL. Effects of conjugated linoleic acid supplementation during resistance training on body composition, bone density, strength, and selected hematological markers. J Strength Cond Res. 2002;16(3):325–34
Malpuech-Brugere C, Verboeket-van de Venne WP, Mensink RP, Arnal MA, Morio B, Brandolini M, Saebo A, Lassel TS, Chardigny JM, Sebedio JL, Beaufrere B. Effects of two conjugated linoleic Acid isomers on body fat mass in overweight humans. Obes Res. 2004;12(4):591–8
Medina EA, Horn WF, Keim NL, Havel PJ, Benito P, Kelley DS, Nelson GJ, Erickson KL. Conjugated linoleic acid supplementation in humans: effects on circulating leptin concentrations and appetite. Lipids. 2000;35(7):783–8.
Salas-Salvado J, Marquez-Sandoval F, Bullo M. Conjugated linoleic acid intake in humans: a systematic review focusing on its effect on body composition, glucose, and lipid metabolism. Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr. 2006;46(6):479–88.
Von Loeffelholz C. Influence of conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) supplementation on body composition and strength in bodybuilders. Jena (Thnr) 1999
Wang YW, Jones PJ. Conjugated linoleic acid and obesity control: efficacy and mechanisms. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2004;28(8):941–55
Zambell KL, Keim NL, Van Loan MD, Gale B, Benito P, Kelley DS, Nelson GJ. Conjugated linoleic acid supplementation in humans: effects on body composition and energy expenditure. Lipids. 2000;35(7):777–820 -
So I was watching Dr. Oz...
no. (sorry crank
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I tuned out after you said "Dr. Oz"...0
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