A dog you can trust or a dog that will kill?

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  • Its all about how they are raised, I have a 50lb Husky, border collie, timber wolf mix.. yes He has wolf in him. He is very gentle with my girls 6 and 2. Very protective of them as well. He would risk his life for his human babies. He is a year old and one of the sweetest dogs ever. It's all in the training and treatment of the animal.
  • rduhlir
    rduhlir Posts: 3,550 Member
    I take my two dogs to the dog park all the time. One is a pit mix, the other a blue heeler mix. Both of them remained on the leash until we trusted them completely to 1) come when called, 2) behave around other dogs, 3) behave around other people.

    I have seen many dogs at the park, and you can always tell the owners that don't put in enough effort to train their dogs or the owners who use pain to teach. They are the people who are chasing their dogs all around the 500 acre park, screaming at the dog. Or the owner that goes to the park like 10 terriers off leash. Or the owners who are too involved in their own selves to notice that their dog is actually aggressively hording a stick, and think it is funny that the dog is doing so.

    99% of the time the fault falls upon the owners of the dogs. People go and adopt a dog without looking at their life styles, the training needed for the dog, and ability to offer it the devotion it needs (and this is directed towards all dogs, take for example someone adopting a herding dog and trying to keep it as an apartment dog, and then wondering why they come home to a destroyed couch). And, sadly, the pit breeds have developed a horrible stereotype due to dog fighting. I would wonder, if dog fighting had never come about if the pit breeds would still have the same reputation that they have today. Honestly, I doubt it.

    I used to be one of those people who were weary of pit breeds, until I found my Buster. Like any dog, he can get carried away and my husband and I are often times getting onto him at the park for getting rough. Not because we mind, but because we don't want someone taking his rough housing and twisting it into aggressiveness.
  • Lisa1971
    Lisa1971 Posts: 3,069 Member
    Haven't read the whole thread, and honestly I don't want to. It'd probably make me angry if I did.

    It is sad that this happened and we'll never know the cause. 4 individual dogs do not represent an entire breed. I was once bitten by a miniature dachsund and spent 3 days hospitalized for my 23 puncture wounds. This does not mean that dachsunds as a breed should be banned for aggression.

    I am a veterinary technician. I have been for 12 years. I've worked shelters, small private practice, large specialty medicine, and emergency. I restrain animals for things they don't want. I poke them with needles. I inject things into them. I place IV catheters. I manipulate painful limbs for radiographs. I deal with hit by cars, broken limbs, organ displacement, etc. In short, I am more likely to get bitten and deal with aggressive dogs than most of the population.

    I've worked with every dog breed there is. As a whole, pit bulls have been some of the happiest, friendliest, silly dogs I've encountered. The ones who have been aggressive have been rare and few between. As individuals they do not represent the entire breed!

    As a former vet tech I agree 100%!
  • AliciaStinger
    AliciaStinger Posts: 402 Member
    When my parents got married, they got a Siberian Husky who was regularly mistaken for a wolf. He was five years old by the time I was born. (I'm the oldest of two.) My parents were worried about how the dog would react to a tiny loud thing getting all the attention that had been his. According to my mom, the dog considered us "his puppies." He was very calm and gentle. The only time he became at all threatening was when a salesman walked into my parents' house uninvited. My mom had been trying to get the guy to go away, and instead he pushed his way in. Mom says the dog stood up on his hind legs, put his paw on the guy's shoulder, and looked him straight in the eye; she says she was as surprised as the salesman.

    My vet, on the other hand, was terrified of my dog because he had been bitten by four huskies and didn't trust the breed. Now, how my dog reacted in the vet's office, I don't know, BUT in the seven years we had together, he growled at me once, and showed his teeth to me once (I think I was pulling on his tail...I was really young, and whatever upset him, I know it was my fault), and my parents corrected him both times. My parents never worried about leaving him alone with us.

    However, I'm afraid of Shar-pei/Beagle mixes, and even more so of Shar-pei/Beagle/Daschund mixes. My neighbor's daschund died, and she bought a bigger dog to replace it: a shar-pei/beagle mix. This dog spent her first two years taking running jumps to pounce on everyone who walked through the door, and she's heavy. She's also a nipple-biter. No, you didn't misread that; in addition to jumping all over me, she used to try to latch on to the two parts of my anatomy that stood out to her. She also has the beagle bark.

    Anyway, in spite of being attached to this dog, my neighbors decided that they missed dearly their deceased daschund's personality (he was, indeed, a gentleman), and decided they needed a second dog. They found an absolutely adorable little guy who looked like a Hershey's milk chocolate bar. I love that dog at least as much as I love my own. My neighbor spent her dog-fixing money on getting her son another expensive game console for no legitimate reason; he wasn't doing especially well in school, it wasn't his birthday, she just wanted to feel loved. Long story short, her male daschund and her very agressive shar/beagle mix had six beautiful mutant babies. They're not even as high as my knee, but these dogs are so nasty that I wouldn't like to be in the same yard. Heck, I'd be happier if I weren't in the same neighborhood; they can be heard at least two blocks in every direction, and my neighbor lets them out at 5:30 in the morning for half an hour at a time. I once passed through a town with a pack of feral dogs, and THEY were nicer than these dogs are. LONG STORY SHORT...if I had a baby, I would leave it with a bull mastiff before I'd leave it with any of my neighbor's spawn of Satan.
  • AliciaStinger
    AliciaStinger Posts: 402 Member
    Sometimes even good, well trained dogs go bonkers. A family friend of ours had four dogs of varying breeds. One freaked one morning and killed one of the boston terriers and seriously hurt another. Our friend separated the aggressive dog. A little later when he went to the dog, after checking on the injured ones, the dog was sweet and happy as ever. Something just flipped. Thankfully they didn't have children.

    ...

    That said, I do think there is something to be said about dogs in packs. As humans, we have enough issues being true to ourselves when we're around others. Sometimes we get "herd mentality" as well, so it's much more difficult for a dog with a much lower level of cognitive reasoning. For this reason, I probably wouldn't have more than one dog at a time, despite how gentle our favored breed is.

    I agree. I certainly wouldn't have more than two; two can bond, but three's company. Also, when there are a lot of dogs, they may fight for resources - whether it's food, or love and attention. I'm sorry for your friend; that must have been a horrible experience.
  • sbbhbm
    sbbhbm Posts: 1,312 Member
    I rescued an American Pit. She is the most docile dog I have ever seen. My three year old tries desperately to get her to play tug-of-war, but that dog is totally aware she could hurt my daughter. She only puts the end of the tug rope in her mouth and lets my daughter pull the other end. She never pulls back if my daughter has it, but if it's me that dog can pull so hard she brings me to the floor. She also lets our cat chew on her ears and attack her tail with this "oh it's you again" look on her face.

    But as sweet as my dog is, my sister has told me if she ever has children, I'm no longer allowed to bring my dog to her house. Even though she owns a friggin' little shihtsu that has bit me and nipped at my daughter on more than one occasion.

    eta- I spelled "shihtsu" wrong on purpose because the edit ****su.
  • Emmabulliemum
    Emmabulliemum Posts: 294 Member
    Blame the deed not the breed ANY dog can be nasty but the owners create the monsters. I own an English bull terrier daft as toast but I would never trust her 100% and you never should with ANY dog it is after all and animal descended from wolves . My brother in law is a doctor and he said that the most recorded dog attacks in the NHS are from collies and Labrador's but you won't see that in the papers.

    It's always the same they vilify a breed when it suits them ii's been Rotties, dobermans, GSD, akita's you name it but never a poodle of shihtsu all of which can be killers if not trained.

    I will always blame the owners It took us 12 months of rigorous vetting before we could take on our dog EDUCATION is what's needed not destroying a breed!
  • Emmabulliemum
    Emmabulliemum Posts: 294 Member
    ANY dog is unpredictable. The problem is that we humanize them, but they are still dogs. it's just in their nature. It is up to the owners to prevent any incidents.

    There's a meme going around now that says

    "In the 70's, it was the doberman pinscher
    In the 80s' it was German Shepherds
    In the 90s, it was Rottweilers
    Now it is the Pit Bull
    When are the OWNERS going to be held accountable"

    And it's absolutely true. A few days ago a 2 year old girl was killed by the family's 7 pit bulls (they had 9 dogs total, but the other two were different breeds) when she wandered outside. There were FIVE adults in the house and not ONE of them were watching her. (I believe it was reported the 12 year old was supposed to be doing it.) At least in this case, they will be held responsible, but this was absolutely preventable. And 7 dogs and a little girl died due to lazy irresponsible a-holes.

    Thank you for this post I agree 100% similar to what I was saying
  • It's the owners mainly not the dog. The Staffies that I know are all lovely and want cuddle and love all the time, are great with babies and children waving their arms around. I know a rottwieler who used to roll over and submit to every dog it saw. My Labrador would quite happily shake a rabbit or a bird to death and chase cats as he is a hunting dog but put him next to a cat and he wants to play with it. My dad's neighbour has a cat that always comes to see him and Reamus gets excited and starts licking the cat. I used to have mice and gerbils and would put them on him and he'd sit and lay really still and would run away from them when they were in their exercise ball. I have a new baby sister and he can be left alone with the baby, he won't touch the baby because he has been taught manners. He has bitten me before but it has always been my fault, never his fault, but he always apologises after and it's genuine, I know it sounds silly but he does. He still has his man pride, we have never had a problem with that, in any of our dogs actually, they have all been hunting dogs and taught manners and love cuddles, children and play fighting.

    Why this little girl was left alone without an adult is beyond me!
  • Blame the deed not the breed ANY dog can be nasty but the owners create the monsters. I own an English bull terrier daft as toast but I would never trust her 100% and you never should with ANY dog it is after all and animal descended from wolves . My brother in law is a doctor and he said that the most recorded dog attacks in the NHS are from collies and Labrador's but you won't see that in the papers.

    It's always the same they vilify a breed when it suits them ii's been Rotties, dobermans, GSD, akita's you name it but never a poodle of shihtsu all of which can be killers if not trained.

    I will always blame the owners It took us 12 months of rigorous vetting before we could take on our dog EDUCATION is what's needed not destroying a breed!

    Education is needed! I have been bitten by jack russels, one attacked our docile old lab and tore his ear open and another time grabbed him by the neck, Tyson was walking to the car and about to jump in the boot when this rat came running across the estate and jumped into the boot as Tyson did and damaged his neck, what made it worse is that this dog was not dealt with and the owners did not offer to pay for the vet bill!
  • twinketta
    twinketta Posts: 2,130 Member
    I am sure you all train your dogs in a very good way as I train my lil toy poodle.

    But it seems the problem was here that the owner was not there, if she had been would the dogs have reacted in such a violent way.

    So does training and socialising mean your dog is going to `behave` in your home if you are not present?

    I had an alsatian (GS) for 6 years before I got married and she was always well behaved and well trained

    To cut a long story short, I had my first child and me and mum were sitting in the lounge and my son crawled over and must of pulled an ear or hair and the dog turned and had my sons head in her mouth, she did not pierce the skin or leave any marks. but the next day I crated my dog and after a few days had to give her to an older person with no children.

    I was present and I trusted my dog?

    I know my dog was just warning my baby as she did not snap or bite, but it could have been devastating had the dog been in a `pack` or had I not been there ( not that I would have left my baby with her)

    But this article in the news is a 14 year old girl not a baby?
  • ironanimal
    ironanimal Posts: 5,922 Member
    No breed is a bad breed when trained correctly.

    This.

    And the evidence for this statement is where? Oh yeah there is none its just internet rhetoric.
    I've encountered a great many more small dogs with attitude problems than larger dogs, regardless of breed. You need to keep in mind the demographic that certain breeds attract; young dumbasses trying to impress their friends with no real sense of responsibility or any idea how to train a dog? Usually seen with a pit/pit cross or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier here in the UK. If they had a freaking chihuahua, it'd still be as badly behaved as their EVIL MENACE pitbull.

    My dog is a Husky cross, and was terrible for nipping when she was a puppy. Eventually I gave up trying to teach her it was bad in the 'human' way with a stern no and a pointed finger, and bit her back. She has never nipped, mouthed or even curled a lip at anyone since and is the softest dog I've ever known with dogs and humans. You need to train your dogs properly; they are still animals at the end of the day.
  • XLMuffnTop
    XLMuffnTop Posts: 76 Member
    I've encountered a great many more small dogs with attitude problems than larger dogs, regardless of breed. You need to keep in mind the demographic that certain breeds attract; young dumbasses trying to impress their friends with no real sense of responsibility or any idea how to train a dog? Usually seen with a pit/pit cross or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier here in the UK. If they had a freaking chihuahua, it'd still be as badly behaved as their EVIL MENACE pitbull.

    My dog is a Husky cross, and was terrible for nipping when she was a puppy. Eventually I gave up trying to teach her it was bad in the 'human' way with a stern no and a pointed finger, and bit her back. She has never nipped, mouthed or even curled a lip at anyone since and is the softest dog I've ever known with dogs and humans. You need to train your dogs properly; they are still animals at the end of the day.

    I've been bitten by far more small dogs than I have large ones. I have a scar on my leg from a small dog when I was a child. Then when I was walking one morning, this woman let her chihuahua out in the front yard (instead of the fenced backyard) to go to the bathroom. It ran for me and tried to bite my ankle. I just kicked it and the woman had the audacity to yell at me for it. I yelled back something about effing leash laws and went on my merry way. Then a dude two houses down did the same thing with his chihuahua who would roam the neighborhood. Little runt would growl and scare my kids while they were in OUR yard.

    Again, it's not the breed but I think people just PAMPER smaller dogs too much. They see them as replacement kids and think they can't do any wrong due to their size but they can be quite the menace. People put more emphasis on larger dogs strictly because of their size but ALL dogs need training. Period. If you don't want to put forth the effort training it, you shouldn't have gotten a dog. Thankfully, our gentle giant is extremely submissive and needs little training other than the basics of sit, stay, come, etc.
  • SemperAnticus1643
    SemperAnticus1643 Posts: 703 Member
    I've encountered a great many more small dogs with attitude problems than larger dogs, regardless of breed. You need to keep in mind the demographic that certain breeds attract; young dumbasses trying to impress their friends with no real sense of responsibility or any idea how to train a dog? Usually seen with a pit/pit cross or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier here in the UK. If they had a freaking chihuahua, it'd still be as badly behaved as their EVIL MENACE pitbull.

    My dog is a Husky cross, and was terrible for nipping when she was a puppy. Eventually I gave up trying to teach her it was bad in the 'human' way with a stern no and a pointed finger, and bit her back. She has never nipped, mouthed or even curled a lip at anyone since and is the softest dog I've ever known with dogs and humans. You need to train your dogs properly; they are still animals at the end of the day.

    I've been bitten by far more small dogs than I have large ones. I have a scar on my leg from a small dog when I was a child. Then when I was walking one morning, this woman let her chihuahua out in the front yard (instead of the fenced backyard) to go to the bathroom. It ran for me and tried to bite my ankle. I just kicked it and the woman had the audacity to yell at me for it. I yelled back something about effing leash laws and went on my merry way. Then a dude two houses down did the same thing with his chihuahua who would roam the neighborhood. Little runt would growl and scare my kids while they were in OUR yard.

    Again, it's not the breed but I think people just PAMPER smaller dogs too much. They see them as replacement kids and think they can't do any wrong due to their size but they can be quite the menace. People put more emphasis on larger dogs strictly because of their size but ALL dogs need training. Period. If you don't want to put forth the effort training it, you shouldn't have gotten a dog. Thankfully, our gentle giant is extremely submissive and needs little training other than the basics of sit, stay, come, etc.

    Nice little pellet gun comes in handy from time to time. lol
  • dessyjo
    dessyjo Posts: 176 Member
    You can not blame one bad dog for his/her entire breed. That's like saying Hitler or Saddam Hussein represent our breed 'human'.
  • Pretty much just skipped to the end of the comments so I can add something.

    1)My brother had his face bitten by a poodle when he was younger. so just because its not reported doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
    2)Its the dog, not the breed. BLAME THE DEED, NOT THE BREED.

    At my house we have three Labradors (white, chocolate, and black) and a red nose pit bull. The pit bull is great around kids.. If you are a dog owner you know that dogs have their own very different personality's.
    I do however feel that the owner of the dogs(said by neighbors do be a little nervous about her 'powerfully built' dogs herself) should not have let her kid have company. We NEVER let anyone in our house without us, and our dogs wouldn't even do anything to them.

    My most insensitive comment of all would be, You don't even have your own oven but you have five dogs? I guess I wouldn't understand, I'm American and even the ghettos have ovens. sorry, that detail just stuck with me. The only reasons I can think of for using the neighbors oven(which is weird) is that either theirs was broken or the 14 year olds couldn't use the oven unsupervised.
  • LMT2012
    LMT2012 Posts: 697 Member
    Generalizing about ANY breed is dangerous. It boils down to the power of the dog. People fear Pit Bulls because of their sheer ability to inflict harm. They have the greatest pounds per square inch pressure of any breed in the jaw. They are animals, and no one can predict with certainty what can provoke an animal. A chihuahua might be a biter, but it won't devastate. With children, why leave any room for error?
  • junctiongirl
    junctiongirl Posts: 57 Member
    Thats not right either...Rotties and Pits were not bread for fighting at all...

    Pit bulls... In the U.S., these dogs were used as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, to drive livestock, and as family companions.[6] Some have been selectively bread for their fighting abilities.

    The Rottweiler was employed in its traditional roles until the mid-19th century when railways replaced droving for herding livestock to market. While still used in herding, Rottweilers are now also used as search and rescue dogs, as guide dogs for the blind, as guard dogs or police dogs, and in other roles.[2]

    http://pinterest.com/tikitacky/photographs-i-vintage-pit-bull/

    There are also reports that pitbulls were used as babysitters for victorian children.
  • LaLouve_RK
    LaLouve_RK Posts: 899 Member
    Yesterday in the newspaper in the UK was an article about a 14 yo girl that was killed by 4 dogs (although there were 5 dogs in this small house.

    The dogs that killed the girl were 2 staffies and 2 bull mastiffs. The 5th dog was in another room. the police shot the 4 dogs that mauled the poor girl.

    Here is a link to the secondary article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2300234/Jade-Lomas-Anderson-death-Jobless-single-mum-Bev-Concannon-dogs-mauled-girl-goes-hiding.html

    On the radio there was a debate from 2 respected people in the `dog world` one of these people said that staffies are classed as `nursing dogs` and are recommended for people with small children?

    Also during the debate was the fact that it had never been recorded that a poodle had bitten or attacked a child?

    I have a little toy `teddy bear` poodle who is the sweetest thing but I am sure some of you have staffies and bull mastiffs?

    What are your opinions as to the safety of dogs around children is there a breed of dog that you would not trust?

    The monsters/killers/aggression trigger are Humans. Period.
    3/4 are dominated by their freakin' chihuahua or poodle and they dont even know it because they don't get how it works in the dog world, so they treat their dog like a human kid... so imagine a strong willed dog such a husky, AmStaff and Lab getting in those hands... DISASTER. You can just hope those people gets a happy-go-lucky dog...
  • SoDamnHungry
    SoDamnHungry Posts: 6,998 Member
    No breed is a bad breed when trained correctly.

    This. So many dogs get a bad reputation because douche bags abuse them and teach them horrible things.
  • MSeel1984
    MSeel1984 Posts: 2,297 Member
    Dogs are a product of their owners and their breeding.

    I've seen bull mastiffs and pitt bulls that are more gentle than some lap dogs.

    I had a cocker spaniel growing up who was from a puppy mill. He was in-bread (no controlled breeding among dogs from the same family-though we found that out too late) and he attacked my sister-split her lip open and she had to get stitches.

    I now have two boxers...the elder is a very gentle dog and loves people. My puppy I am training very carefully to ensure she grows up to be as sweet as my other dog.

    Owners have control over how their dogs turn out...most likely these owners with the dog that mauled the girl were not entirely responsible owners.

    It's not fair to paint an entire breed of dog as a violent or destructive dog.
  • 2credneck208
    2credneck208 Posts: 501 Member
    Just a little test, for all us dog owners?

    Leave a little doll or teddy bear with your dog when you go our for a couple of hours?

    A doll or teddy bear isn't going to antagonize a dog like kids can. Plus most dogs left home alone will get bored and chew it up anyway.
  • CongoClark81
    CongoClark81 Posts: 95 Member
    No breed is a bad breed when trained correctly.
    Totally Agree!!!!!
  • saxmaniac
    saxmaniac Posts: 1,133 Member
    I used to be on the fence about this... then a few years ago, a pair of bull mastiffs escaped from their house, prowled the neighborhood, and attacked my neighbor and his toy poodle, who was in minding his business in his own garage. These were well-trained, loved dogs in good neighborhood, that just decided to go and snack on a human one day.

    The cops had to shoot both six or seven times, just to stop them. I'm glad my kids weren't outside.

    I try to avoid all animals that are capable of eating me.
  • SweetTeaAndCutoffs
    SweetTeaAndCutoffs Posts: 59 Member
    I think it's so incredibly sad that certain breeds are lumped into a negative category. Any dog is capable of anything and it certainly depends on treatment and training from the owner. I'd be very curious as to how these dogs were treated.
  • tipadoo
    tipadoo Posts: 104 Member
    Totally depends on the dog's personality. I had a border collie that I would have trusted with my baby - he was so calm and obedient....but the border collie I have now, snaps at the cat if she thinks the cat is getting something she isn't. So I wouldn't ever leave her alone with babies or kids. I believe every breed has the potential to do something terrible, because they are animals.
  • @ InnerFatGirl......Beautiful! You can see how loving your baby is. Those eyes...love them!:smile:
  • I have a boxer! she's very hyper but shes the sweetest!!!!!!