WTF? air line to charge by weight of CUSTOMER
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I've never flown this particular airline, but flying in general has gotten ridiculous. People of any size are bringing 100+lbs in their carry on to put in the overhead bin so that they don't have to pay the overweight baggage fees. And with airlines charging baggage fees in general, almost everyone is trying to do a carry on which is causing delays on board as everyone tried to jam things overhead. While they want to carry on the largest bag they can get away with, no one wants to put it under the seat in front of them. They also want to store their coats, and largely over-sized purses up there, too, and don't want anyone else's stuff touching theirs. Oh not to mention how it takes everyone twice as long to get through security now because of all the extra stuff they are trying to juggle. If it was all by weight, hopefully it would alleviate some of the pre-flight nonsense. As an obese person (that does fit entirely in my own seat), I'm perfectly fine with this, as long as they aren't making a huge show of weighing it in a way where everyone can see what you and your baggage weight. Not that I'd care, but I'm sure some would.
CN: quit letting people bring all their luggage on the plane.
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though at first It kind of irritated me but now that i think about it... its still probably going to pretty equal. I took a 3 hr flight to go see my in laws for 10 days (on a continental commuter plane 60 or so passengers.. all wheel'd carry ons are gate checked).. had all my stuff packed in a back pack and a carry on (neither out weighing the limits to be considered to heavy to be a carry on) I was talking to a girl a lot smaller than me who was also going to be gone 10 days had 3 bags(2 of which she could have fit in) that had to be checked and her 2 carry on items so pound for pound we were probably pretty equal0
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As well they should
This. The more you weigh, the more it costs to fly you from one place to the next. I would love to see a U.S. airline do the same and then raise their collective middle finger at all the discrimination-baiting whiners.
Unfortunately, in the new America, anytime people feel they are being treated unfairly, the solution is always more government, and that would just make air travel more expensive for everyone.0 -
At that ($1 for every 2.2 pounds) tickets for my family would be really affordable, I like it. I actually read an article 2 weeks ago written by an economist recommending that this was a promising business model for airlines to move toward instead of the current model which recommends that passengers who need more space purchase an extra seat. While initially controversial, it would make the purchasing of a seat more equitable, because you're technically not just purchasing a seat, you are paying for and sharing the expenses related to travel which includes the cost of fuel. This would allow airlines to better plan (they use a weight and distance estimate to calculate the amount of jet fuel needed for each flight). Also, if you are a light person packing a heavy bag you are still as taxing on the flight as a heavy person packing a light bag, so it really makes the whole cost more equitable as it takes body weight and baggage weight into account and not just size.0
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I think this decision will hurt their business. I would not want to fly with them even though I am not obesse.0
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The last time I got charged some ludicrous amount for excess baggage while watching many obese people getting on the plane, I thought exactly the same thing.0
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Why don't airlines just make people who can't fit in the coach seets by tickets in first class where the seats are bigger? Or maybe have a few special seats and charge a premium. Anyways, they are private businesses. If you don't like a business practice, just don't buy the product.0
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I think its fair that the bigger you are the more you pay! Its like have to buy to tickets it u take up two seats, not to mention fuel consumption/gas mileage. If it costs more for heavy baggage loads the same should apply to people to a reasonable extent, I think its totally fair on today's economy. What's not fair is if we all have to pay higher prices to compensate for other people that are contributing to the fuel usage, if I have to pay extra because my suitcase is to heavy I don't complain, so if someone is exceeded the populations average on weight than they should have to pay extra as well.0
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I took a puddle jumper in Fiji and a lady refused to get on the scale to be weighed with her luggage. Guess who's bags didn't make it on that plane? I thought it was hilarious because she made such a stink about being weighed. Hello, this is for the safety of everyone on the plane.
I think it's just fine and I wouldn't mind paying by the pound at all.0 -
airlines make people who are obviously to large pay for two to seats I've seen it done many timesWhy don't airlines just make people who can't fit in the coach seets by tickets in first class where the seats are bigger? Or maybe have a few special seats and charge a premium. Anyways, they are private businesses. If you don't like a business practice, just don't buy the product.0 -
I was half listening to the radio this morning when they were talking about an airline making the seats smaller so they could put more of them in. If "weight" of passengers is such a problem, why are they putting in 20% more seats? Won't 20% (and I am just using this % as an example...I don't know the exact %) more people be a problem?0
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My daughter is tiny but packs her entire wardrobe (OK, maybe it just seems that way) when she flies and carries the max amount of luggage/carry-ons...I'm not tiny but I generally only carry what I can get in a small backpack (like the kind many kids take to school) and generally do not check any bags. My purse isn't huge, either. When all's said and done, we'd likely pay the same amount on Samoa Air.
Since the cost of flying is tied to weight, I can see this as being fair, as long as they are charging similar costs for the cargo they carry in the hold as well. I don't think this would actually lead to anyone losing weight just to fly unless they were pretty frequent fliers; though I can see it as being a huge cost savings to companies that require lots of travel if their employees were on the small size. This could be a problem for big and tall people. Can you imagine the cost to fly a pro football team somewhere?0 -
This is another typical news story that will over sensualize an issue that will cause uproar. Airline charging by weight WTF? Immediately people picture themselves at JFK standing on a scale with luggage to get their ticket. First no major airline would consider the folly of actually weighing its passengers. This is about a small regional airline that offers taxi service (island hopping). These are twin propeller, three seater Cessna’s with a couple nine seaters. I’ve traveled on a small regional Alaskan airline and they even move the passengers and luggage around to better balance the plane in flight. If you ever boarded and flew in one of these weight becomes a concern. The singer Aaliyah with her entourage and equipment was overweight by 300kg in a Cessna which crashed.0
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As well they should
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Facts are rubbish though.
However, as I weigh nearly 100kg, I'm going to have to start travelling in a mankini to minimise any additional weight. Hope my fellow travellers don't mind!0 -
Other airlines are considering it too. I read an article about a Norwegian airline that is considering it.
I would say as long as the seats are adjustable to accomodate the larger person who is paying for more space, then go for it. I fly often and dred getting stuck between 2 people who are too large for the alotted seat size. It isn't just about a large person's right to fly or not be discriminated against. A smaller person has rights too. They shouldn't have to be uncomfortable because someone is spilling out of thier seat.0 -
If the cost of an airline ticket was based on my weight, I'd be paying about half the price of what I pay now. That would save me a ton of money! Literally.0
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So if you overestimate are you given a refund?0
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Pay your grocer today or your airline tomorrow?0
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I think this is a great idea. Weight is the biggest contributor to costs. I think it would be more appropriate to have a base fee & then a cost for every pound over 100 or something like that though.
What I don't think is a good idea is the denigration of fat people on a fitness website. I should absolutely be required to pay my own way, but there's no need to shame me.0 -
I read the article and it actually sounded reasonable and this is from someone who has been obese most of her life. It's for both the passenger and their luggage. The planes have a set weight that they can carry. Families like it because their kids can fly cheaper. The airline says that since they know that the heavier people are paying more, the heavier people get more room. So more room fro them and more room for others on the plane that are not jammed against them. I don't think it's a bad idea.0
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Second thread I read about this.
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This was NOT an airline proposal, it was a proposal and mental exercise by an economist, essentially equating human transportation and cargo transportation.
This would of course be a false economy. The lines to weigh in would take forever. people would starve themselves the week before, etc....It would make airline travel less attractive and ultimately cost the whole industry money.
It will never happen.
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Wow...just wow, KilikiMom.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about regarding medicine and morbid obesity and its causes.
So much for this program being a positive environment to get fit.0 -
I have taken quite a few flights on small planes (30 passenger, greyhound bus with wings size) and have never not watched as the flight staff rearrange people to redistribute weight. If a plane is that sensitive to weight distribution, it absolutely makes sense to ensure that the total weight on the plane does not exceed the weight capacity of that plane. I'm assuming this sort of thing is built into the number of seats on the planes to begin with, but a heavier plane takes more fuel than a light one. I don't think it's unfair to ask that those who are contributing most to the weight on the plane (via luggage, body weight or both) should pay an additional fee/amount. Otherwise, the additional fuel costs will be distributed amongst all passengers. It's not different (in my opinion) from those with bad driving records paying a higher insurance premium. If you're contributing to the reason for he high costs, yeah I think you should be forking over some on the front end (air travel, insurance or otherwise).0
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Great idea! The vast majority of people living there are obese. Hit them where it hurts (the wallet) and maybe their poor habits will change. It worked for smokers.0
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I saw this on my local news website this am and nearly flipped my lid : Samoa Air is now weighing passengers and their baggage, and rates start at $1 per kilo (about 2.2 pounds). The airline's website prompts fliers to "guesstimate" their weight when booking and prepay that amount. If you're off, though, no worries! They'll weigh you to double-check when you get to the airport.
Thoughts?
I like in Alaska, flying to the rural areas you have to give them an accurate weight and use to giving my weight to airline. Thought I have never had to pay extra for my weight, it would not surprise me to have to pay extra if an obese person were to fly since the 10 person plane can only hold so much weight.0 -
Is this writer being too soft on individual responsibility?
"Obesity is not simply a matter of laziness, overindulgence or lack of will power. It is a result of complex and diverse drivers of weight gain, including genetics, medications, stress, depression, addictions, eating and sleeping disorders and gut bugs – to name just a few."
The obese already pay more. Why shame them with higher air fares?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/the-obese-already-pay-more-why-shame-them-with-higher-air-fares/article10934025/
Do doctors let too many patients get off the hook?
"International airlines such as Air Canada address this issue more amicably: Because the airline considers obesity a medical condition, it provides overweight passengers with a free extra seat as long as they present a doctor's note."
Who Is Too Fat To Fly? Airlines Are Working It Out
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/us-news-travel/too-fat-to-fly_b_2101347.html0 -
While the below is about airlines and weight, it's not the subject that was originally mentioned. These are all ideas for larger airlines. What this subject is about is very small airlines and planes and a company that is doing it. An article about it is here:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/samoa-airline-to-charge-passengers-by-weight-1.1221891Is this writer being too soft on individual responsibility?
"Obesity is not simply a matter of laziness, overindulgence or lack of will power. It is a result of complex and diverse drivers of weight gain, including genetics, medications, stress, depression, addictions, eating and sleeping disorders and gut bugs – to name just a few."
The obese already pay more. Why shame them with higher air fares?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/the-obese-already-pay-more-why-shame-them-with-higher-air-fares/article10934025/
Do doctors let too many patients get off the hook?
"International airlines such as Air Canada address this issue more amicably: Because the airline considers obesity a medical condition, it provides overweight passengers with a free extra seat as long as they present a doctor's note."
Who Is Too Fat To Fly? Airlines Are Working It Out
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/us-news-travel/too-fat-to-fly_b_2101347.html0 -
"Lol, it's Samoa Airlines? Probably makes sense since most people flying it are Samoans who have some of the "biggest" genetics in the world. Not uncommon to see a 16 year old male weigh 200lbs or more."
This is so true, I worked with an entire family of Samoa's, while they love to eat, and make DELISH food!! They also were not shy about being large people. The girls I worked with loved how large they were, which is great to have confidence and love yourself, but I would be worried about the health risk of obesity...0
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