Why does pizza have such a bad reputation?

OP it's simple. because the pizza they're referring to when they say low nutritional content is not made from whole wheat dough or ANY high quality ingredients.

when people refer to pizza as a "bad" food, they're talking about typical store bought, refined white flour crust, HFCS sauce, and heavily processed cheese product - which is nutritionally inferior to the pizza you described.

a pizza can be incredibly healthy or incredibly unhealthy depending on how it's made and from what ingredients.

why don't you start a white bread vs wheat bread thread if you really wanna go nuts about this. i'm not particularly interested.

For someone "not particularly interested" you made a pretty strong statement about it.

also way to derail the guy's thread. per usual.

why don't you start a white bread vs wheat bread thread if you really wanna go nuts about this. i'm not particularly interested.

His point was that the nutritional differences between homemade pizza and restaurant pizza are insignificant. Pizza cannot be pizza without the basic ingredients. As you have clarified your standpoint in previous threads, your concern is additives, which is fine for you, but it is completely ignorant to say that the nutritional value of a restaurant pizza has been changed because of additives. Instead, it has become pizza+, which in your opinion makes it less healthy, but it is only an opinion and we are all entitled to them, including Acg. Expressing his opinion does not make him anymore of a troll than you are.

All right, that's it...everyone to your rooms...cauliflower "pizza crust" it is. Sorry you made me go there, but I promise you this hurts me more than it hurts you....:drinker:

also way to derail the guy's thread. per usual.

why don't you start a white bread vs wheat bread thread if you really wanna go nuts about this. i'm not particularly interested.

His point was that the nutritional differences between homemade pizza and restaurant pizza are insignificant. Pizza cannot be pizza without the basic ingredients. As you have clarified your standpoint in previous threads, your concern is additives, which is fine for you, but it is completely ignorant to say that the nutritional value of a restaurant pizza has been changed because of additives. Instead, it has become pizza+, which in your opinion makes it less healthy, but it is only an opinion and we are all entitled to them, including Acg. Expressing his opinion does not make him anymore of a troll than you are.

this is all complete BS

It's only "BS" because of your irrational belief that small amounts of additives that have no detrimental effect, and certain types of processing, destroy the nutritional content of foods. You have no scientific or rational basis for these opinions, instead simply claiming that people who eat them will get what's coming to them in the end, in the form of health problems late in life.

Phytic acid added to white-wheat bread inhibits fractional apparent magnesium absorption in humans

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/3/418.full

i've got a really really easy solution for that.

and... dude... first you said: "Not really as the nutritional differences between the two are pretty insignificant, in terms of vitamins and minerals absorbed "

now you're saying it's ... just... one mineral.

which is it?

Did you even read it, see references 4-10

no of course I didn't read it. aint nobody got time for that. can you explain to me what white-wheat means?

also, as I alluded to, don't buy wheat bread with phytic acid and you're good.

not all wheat bread is created equal. obviously. i don't even think wheat is good for us period so I'm not sure why you're picking this fight with me to get me to defend something I don't even eat. lol

“Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.”
― Benjamin Franklin

per usual, you don't actually respond to my points. you've never had an actual thought in your life that you didn't copy paste from a study, and if your study doesn't address my questions, you deflect because you have no idea how to answer it.

I'm sorry... where did you explain how additives and processing chemically alter food?

*edited to add - With anything other than anecdotal evidence?

Just wait til he starts telling you about his reflux.

Just make it at home. No biggie. I ate pizza during 2011 when I dropped 20 lbs. Life is too short not to have pizza. Log it and move on.

bump to read later...pizza is a food group for me (only kind of joking)

This has become a very interesting thread indeed. :drinker:

You boyz are soooooo cute!

I'll never stop eating pizza. That's just cruel.

If that's all that was on a pizza, it wouldn't be a bad thing to eat. I can think of a few things on a commercial pizza which I no longer eat.
Sodium nitrites/nitrates in almost all meats used on a pizza.
Regular cheeses, not the low fat versions we usually buy for home use. I've had pizza swimming in oil from who knows where. And some of the cheeses used are questionable on content.
A double-day dose of sodium.

However, I did just finish a half Udi's Gluten Free, Three Cheese Pizza which was delish. A little high in fat (16 grams), but only 330mg sodium and 330 calories. I consider this one a splurge. A commercial pizza from a major chain would probably make me sick.

All I know is the ads for the new Crazy Cheesy Crust Pizza at Pizza Hut are driving me to distraction. This does not appear to be a healthy option but ooooooooh. It could be worth a nice long run to try it...

You know, I never really thought about it! For me, its not the pizza, its the quantity. I went out and had a big slice of pizza a couple weeks ago...lost a lb that day. Problem comes when a slice becomes 2, 3, 4....

Good question though...I am going to watch this one for the answers.

This.

This is the problem with pizza. Also Most pizza places out there don't advertise the good for you stuff; they advertise the OMG CHEEEEEEESE and MEAT pizza because practically everyone loves cheese. (I am in that group and therefore limit Pizza consumption to 2 places because it is high quality)

Doesn't stop you having a thin based veggie supreme. That's my poison (alright, I go deep pan, but as long as you make room for those calories in another way like, not having that extra sausage or whatever (not saying that pizza=sausage calorie wise, just that if you want to be able to eat that big gooey slice of pizza then you have to not eat something else to avoid the calorie excess.)

I love pizza but when pizza hut (the only pizza restaurant by me) soaks the crust in oil it's not good for you. I've made homemade pizzas that I could eat everyday and be healthy.

To those saying places like Pizza Hut and Dominos are all bad, you're wrong. Well, at least in Australia you're wrong. Like ALL foods, it's about making the right CHOICES and STOPPING when you've eaten a normal servings worth of food. These two chains I've mentioned both offer 'light' or 'fat free' alternatives. Nutritional values on their websites. For example, one slice of Domino's 97% Fat Free Chicken Napolitana is 126 calories comprised of 6.7g protein, 1.7g fat and 20.4g carbs (3.8g of this sugar). I'd comfortably eat 3 peices of this as a main meal and consider it balanced. With most chains you can 'design your own' pizza and chose which toppings you would and wouldn't like. One that we order reguarly has prawns, chicken, cherry tomatos, feta cheese and baby spinach.

I generally prefer to make my own pizza at home for my husband and I, but we also have take away pizza on occasion.

Yes, there are many unhealthy alternatives when it comes to pizza and people don't always make the right decisions - I can eat a full thin base pepperoni pizza in one sitting if I like. But it's your choice to order a healthier alternative or not.