A 5 yo killed a 2yo with a gun!
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Can I ask you a simple `yes` or `no` question
If the gun was not available would this `accident` have happened?
If we ban cars, not more auto accidents. They kills a lot more than guns.
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Not with children at the wheel???
So adults never have gun accidents?
The problem lies in the stupidity of the parent. While I don't personally condone the giving of a gun to a child, there is a difference between sitting down with a child and a NOT loaded gun and having a frank discussion about gun safety and handling. Or, handing a loaded gun to a kid and walking away. The difference is stupid parenting.
BTW, I don't own a gun, but I do educate my son about guns..... we play Black Ops 2 every night. He is an excellent sniper.0 -
i started shooting muzzleloaders at about 4 or 5 and my girls all have guns from the 3 yr old to the 12 yr olds BUT they are locked up and only usable with correct supervision of course if u r going to give a child a gun u need to make sure it is with RESPONSIBLE ADULT SUPERVISION !!( One of my 12 yr olds got her first squirrel at 6 and can now kill them 99% of the time with 1 shot she is better than her dad
) My parents thought it was important then to learn to use a gun and i think it is important now but they're being taught the correct way to handle them . 0 -
I'm pretty anti-guns in my own world but I don't think it's fair to stereotype a region of the country, like people are saying "oh of course it's Kentucky"--accidents with kids and guns happen EVERYWHERE--it's not the geographic area, it's the parents. This situation seems to be an issue with parental supervision (lack thereof) and parental stupidity (loaded gun, even if it was a gift for the child, should NEVER have been left LOADED (unless he loaded it? which I didn't get the sense of from the articles I read) where he could access it without a parent present to supervise). However, to anyone who says they're going to teach their kids to shoot and/or they were taught to shoot guns themselves at a very young age--that's completely within your right, but my objection to that is that a 2 year old or even 5 year old doesn't truly understand the concept of death being permanent. I even know of older children who don't understand it. I don't think we should give a kid even supervised access to a lethal weapon until they understand that concept.
In any event, a really sad occurrence and what a horrible thing for a child to have to live with for the rest of his life.
Well said!0 -
I think it's hard for people who aren't in areas where guns are very common to understand this. But frankly, if guns are a normal thing in your state or area I guess it does make more sense to teach kids to be responsible with them and safer if you also had one.
I do think that it is young though. You don't buy a car for a 2 year-old, why would you buy a gun? You can learn to be safe later in life. It's not like you stop learning anything new at the age of 5.
ETA: I personally don't ever think I'll need one, but if I move to an area where I am the only one without a gun.. you can bet that I'll learn to use one and I don't think I'll be at a disadvantage because I didn't get my gun when I was 5.0 -
I was also taught at a young the proper way to handle a gun and I am thankful I was! However, I never ever would have been left alone with one and I vividly remember my dad always checking to see if it was loaded before handing it to me and then helping me learn how to use it. It is sad that some parents don't have the brains to know this stuff
Poor kids 0 -
If banning guns would stop gun violence, would banning muslims stop terrorism?
not all muslims are terrorists [i'm astounded at the racist analogy]
but all guns can kill
Not all guns kill people. All people (muslims included) can kill0 -
But it would make it much more difficult for them...This is so ridiculous. Handing a 2-year old a gun?!?! What the actual F?! You people must be high off your a$$es. Thank God I'm not living in your country. There's never been a kid shooting another kid here, never been a school shooting. I guess maybe we're doing something right.
If somebody wants to do something evil, they'll find a way to do it. Banning guns isn't the way to stop evil people.
What a sad world we live in where parents think a 2 year old needs to know how to kill
Teaching the use of a gun at that age isnt about Killing way to jump off the "i go to extremes cliff"0 -
If banning guns would stop gun violence, would banning muslims stop terrorism?
I love that you created this account just to type this racist comment. Very brave. An Internet warrior.0 -
leaving this thread, i should have known better...when you give rednecks the internet...
These rednecks you speak of carry concealed and would save your a** if some idiot tried to harm you.0 -
if that is your child, and you were located in my province, i would report you. hope no one in your family gets killed by a gun!
not my child, yanked from google... I don't live in a province. What would you report? LOL thats funny
i would report your child being in possession and using a firearm, to children's aid, you know...child protective services.
That's not illegal. Its not even unsafe. This little girl probably knows more about firearms then you do.
they do, which is terrible, if i lived in the united states she would probably shoot me by accident.
and i live in canada, and cas would DEFINITELY open a case and investigate your parenting skills.
Only if she was in Kentucky. And they give all the kids guns there.
I think that picture is terribly wrong, unless the little girl is at a fun fair and shooting peanuts to win a soft toy?
In an ideal scenario her parents would be standing right beside her?0 -
Bad parents are... ...bad parents.
Yes.0 -
leaving this thread, i should have known better...when you give rednecks the internet...
this thread just got more smarter0 -
Tragic, but not anything to do with this site.
Agreed, I'm here to get fit, not discuss tragic deaths, poor parenting, or gun control.
Then move along the bus lol!
If there are topics that are not suitable for you then don`t bother with them, simple?
You've been here long enough to know this rule, just saying. Won't be surprised when this gets locked or/and nuked.
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leaving this thread, i should have known better...when you give rednecks the internet...
These rednecks you speak of carry concealed and would save your a** if some idiot tried to harm you.
Or shoot you if you misquote Jeff Foxworthy.0 -
They are cant you see them? Oh wait your assuming they are all off drinking red white and blue in the back of their pick up trucks? How do you know they arent standing right there...Even if the photographer is the parent. Seriously? If you are that "helicopter" esque. That's really bad
if that is your child, and you were located in my province, i would report you. hope no one in your family gets killed by a gun!
not my child, yanked from google... I don't live in a province. What would you report? LOL thats funny
i would report your child being in possession and using a firearm, to children's aid, you know...child protective services.
That's not illegal. Its not even unsafe. This little girl probably knows more about firearms then you do.
they do, which is terrible, if i lived in the united states she would probably shoot me by accident.
and i live in canada, and cas would DEFINITELY open a case and investigate your parenting skills.
Only if she was in Kentucky. And they give all the kids guns there.
I think that picture is terribly wrong, unless the little girl is at a fun fair and shooting peanuts to win a soft toy?
In an ideal scenario her parents would be standing right beside her?0 -
Tragic, but not anything to do with this site.
Agreed, I'm here to get fit, not discuss tragic deaths, poor parenting, or gun control.
Then move along the bus lol!
If there are topics that are not suitable for you then don`t bother with them, simple?
You've been here long enough to know this rule, just saying. Won't be surprised when this gets locked or/and nuked.
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this isnt a political topic... no one even mentioned legislation or politicians0 -
To MASSIVE DELTA.....
Can I ask you a simple `yes` or `no` question
If the gun was not available would this `accident` have happened?
So...your solutions is to rid all the world of guns to bandaid poor parenting skills?
You did not answer yes or no?
Cause your logic is invalid. thats not a feasible solution.
The logic is very simple it is a yes or no answer
I will put it very simply,for logic's, if the 5 year old did not have access to a gun would the `accident` of killing the 2 year old sibling have occurred?
Possibly did they have access to a drawer full of kitchen knives? A ball bat? a step ladder?
Thank you!!!
All children have not been trained in the art of knives etc...they are children and if for some strange reason the parent is not there to protect their 5 year old or 2 year old then they will `have the sense to go in the cutlery draw?`
It is the parents responsibility to take care of their child IMO0 -
leaving this thread, i should have known better...when you give rednecks the internet...
These rednecks you speak of carry concealed and would save your a** if some idiot tried to harm you.
Or shoot you if you misquote Jeff Foxworthy.
One could never misquote Foxworthy. You know youre a redneck when you watch Nascar with a beer (insert redneck stereotype).0 -
I was handed my first gun at age 2.
I was brought up knowing how to properly use, clean, shoot etc...
But the first thing I was taught was to always check to see if the gun was loaded.
You bet your a** I carry concealed, and I plan to instill the same principles in my children.
If not for them, for the safety of the people around them.
EDIT: Just wanted to edit to say that it is only bad parenting if children aren't supervised or taught correctly. So in this case, yes, extremely bad parenting. Knowledge is key to prevention. If that child had been given the correct tools and information with that gun as a gift, that accident could have been entirely prevented.
I agree with you.You can engineer all kinds of safety devices for firearms, but you cant engineer the stupid out of people.
And you, too.
I am an American and I have a right to buy, carry and operate a firearm. That is my right. But I also have a responsibility as an American and that is to be an educated individual that has the proper knowledge in order to use this right in a responsible manner that is the safest for the people around me.0 -
leaving this thread, i should have known better...when you give rednecks the internet...
this thread just got more smarter
*Either 'smarter' or 'more smart'. Not 'more smarter'.
uhh yes I know it was deliberate.0 -
Tragic, but not anything to do with this site.
Agreed, I'm here to get fit, not discuss tragic deaths, poor parenting, or gun control.
Then move along the bus lol!
If there are topics that are not suitable for you then don`t bother with them, simple?
You've been here long enough to know this rule, just saying. Won't be surprised when this gets locked or/and nuked.
16. No Political Topics in the Main Forums
Political content is not allowed on the Main Forums. This includes images. Please form or join a Group if you would like to engage in political debate on MyFitnessPal.
this isnt a political topic... no one even mentioned legislation or politicians
Gun control is a political topic. I've seen threads nuked for it. But..we'll wait and see.0 -
Tragic, but not anything to do with this site.
Agreed, I'm here to get fit, not discuss tragic deaths, poor parenting, or gun control.
then get out of the thread.0 -
leaving this thread, i should have known better...when you give rednecks the internet...
this thread just got more smarter
*Either 'smarter' or 'more smart'. Not 'more smarter'.
uhh yes I know it was deliberate.
Who's to know when you're being facetious considering you've already said so many crazy things.0 -
Tragic, but not anything to do with this site.
Agreed, I'm here to get fit, not discuss tragic deaths, poor parenting, or gun control.
Then move along the bus lol!
If there are topics that are not suitable for you then don`t bother with them, simple?
You've been here long enough to know this rule, just saying. Won't be surprised when this gets locked or/and nuked.
16. No Political Topics in the Main Forums
Political content is not allowed on the Main Forums. This includes images. Please form or join a Group if you would like to engage in political debate on MyFitnessPal.
Take a chill time out!0 -
if that is your child, and you were located in my province, i would report you. hope no one in your family gets killed by a gun!
not my child, yanked from google... I don't live in a province. What would you report? LOL thats funny
i would report your child being in possession and using a firearm, to children's aid, you know...child protective services.
That's not illegal. Its not even unsafe. This little girl probably knows more about firearms then you do.
they do, which is terrible, if i lived in the united states she would probably shoot me by accident.
and i live in canada, and cas would DEFINITELY open a case and investigate your parenting skills.
Only if she was in Kentucky. And they give all the kids guns there.
Hey..let's not bash Kentucky, not all kids have guns and responsible parents teach them properly (her parents could be in the pic...just not seen).0 -
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leaving this thread, i should have known better...when you give rednecks the internet...
this thread just got more smarter
*Either 'smarter' or 'more smart'. Not 'more smarter'.
uhh yes I know it was deliberate.
Who's to know when you're being facetious considering you've already said so many crazy things.
Well thats opinion.... are you contributing or just part of the problem?0 -
This is a very tragic case of parental neglect.0
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leaving this thread, i should have known better...when you give rednecks the internet...
this thread just got more smarter
*Either 'smarter' or 'more smart'. Not 'more smarter'.
uhh yes I know it was deliberate.
Who's to know when you're being facetious considering you've already said so many crazy things.
Well thats opinion.... are you contributing or just part of the problem?
What a ridiculous question considering I've posted numerous times in this thread already. It appears to me the only thing you're 'contributing' is a gaggle of gun-toting kids. Well done. Really, pat yourself on the back. *sarcasm in case you missed it*0 -
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Scenario, I live in the UK, my child goes to a birthday party, plays hide and seek, he goes way back in a closet and hope he wins a nice prize? He would not expect to find a shotgun?
Neither of my children would be going to play hide and seek with anyone that I thought had a gun in their possession? I would always go with the kids to any party also? I am responsible for protecting my kids, they would not be responsible at a such a young age to protect themselves?
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Why is the a ? at the end of every sentence even though they aren't questions......
You would play hide and seek with your child at a birthday party for children??? That poor kid. And you can't know for sure that everywhere your child goes will not have a gun just becuase you live in the UK.0
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