Paleo question and recommendations
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No science to back up this way of eating........not sure why you would do it....
http://www.nsca.com/uploadedFiles/NSCA/Inactive_Content/Program_Books/PTC_2013_Program_Book/Aragon.pdf
What's there to back up? The diet is based off how our ancestors ate. They didn't have nearly all the foods that we have available to us today. Our bodies weren't built to process all the crap they put in food nowadays. I stick to a mostly Paleo diet. I do eat eggs, and some dairy and beans (every once in a while). It's done wonders for my energy and my body composition.
To the OP, stick to what you can. Eat lean meats and plenty of fruits and veggies. It can get expensive sometimes, if you're trying to purchase organic food. But even if you can't afford organic, at least the generic stuff isn't as bad as processed foods.
Our ancestors average age was 30.
10000 years ago? they had pies, breads, and grains.
Research on skeletons have shown we didnt eat as much meat. We were closer to vegetarian eaters.
I am pro-meat but I am against the sterotype of reverting back.
Our ancestors did not take medications, vaccines, antibiotics, either. If they sustained an injury, they died. Things are not the same as they were in the past.
I am all for whole foods, but eliminating food groups is always doomed to failure.
btw Its not mostly paleo. That means you generally eat whole foods...
Touché. Granted, what you said may be true, they did not have processed foods with high fructose corn syrup and the like. That is what I was referring to.
And okay. I eat a mostly whole foods diet then.0 -
I doesn't matter whether or not you agree with the paleo diet. Just let the paleo people talk. It's not like they're hurting anyone or themselves.0
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People are so afraid of you trying it! Jesus christ. It's certainly a lot more healthful than how most people eat. Give it a try.
You'll want coconut oil, coconut milk, olive oil, apple cider vinegar, good quality sauerkraut or kimchee, clarified butter/ghee, maybe some chili paste or something. Fill your freezer with good quality meat (from the farmer's market or a good butcher). Ask for grassfed beef, or pastured pork, or free range chicken/eggs. Get lots of eggs. And get used to buying lots and lots of fresh fruit and vegetables.
The hardest part, like any diet, is changing your habits! You'll have to cook more and you won't be able to snack on starchy foods, obviously. But once you get used to it, it's awesome and you feel great.0 -
meh. maybe. But a quick review of his posts, make it clear: his general impairment in gricean pragmatics suggest so-called strawmen are all he responds to.
It totally can. Yup. Doesn't make my statement false.
No science backing the Standard American Diet, really....No science to back up this way of eating........not sure why you would do it....
http://www.nsca.com/uploadedFiles/NSCA/Inactive_Content/Program_Books/PTC_2013_Program_Book/Aragon.pdf
Google "False Dichotomy"
The universe can count higher than two.
False? no.
Strawman? Absolutely.
google: drive-by posting.0 -
I'm going to ignore the argument and try to be helpful to the OP. ^_^
I've tried Paleo for a month lat year and felt great! It totally went along with the thought I had that it would be healthier to mainly eat meat and vegetables and shun processed foods. I used the blog Mark's Daily Apple as my main reference, along with Nerd Fitness. I only fell off the wagon from being in college and turning back to Mt Dew and Energy drinks during classes.
Mark's Daily Apple has a lot of links to scientific studies and explains how & why it works. Good luck to you & your family, & don't let the internet trolls get you down!0 -
And that is the way to go.No science to back up this way of eating........not sure why you would do it....
http://www.nsca.com/uploadedFiles/NSCA/Inactive_Content/Program_Books/PTC_2013_Program_Book/Aragon.pdf
What's there to back up? The diet is based off how our ancestors ate. They didn't have nearly all the foods that we have available to us today. Our bodies weren't built to process all the crap they put in food nowadays. I stick to a mostly Paleo diet. I do eat eggs, and some dairy and beans (every once in a while). It's done wonders for my energy and my body composition.
To the OP, stick to what you can. Eat lean meats and plenty of fruits and veggies. It can get expensive sometimes, if you're trying to purchase organic food. But even if you can't afford organic, at least the generic stuff isn't as bad as processed foods.
Our ancestors average age was 30.
10000 years ago? they had pies, breads, and grains.
Research on skeletons have shown we didnt eat as much meat. We were closer to vegetarian eaters.
I am pro-meat but I am against the sterotype of reverting back.
Our ancestors did not take medications, vaccines, antibiotics, either. If they sustained an injury, they died. Things are not the same as they were in the past.
I am all for whole foods, but eliminating food groups is always doomed to failure.
btw Its not mostly paleo. That means you generally eat whole foods...
Touché. Granted, what you said may be true, they did not have processed foods with high fructose corn syrup and the like. That is what I was referring to.
And okay. I eat a mostly whole foods diet then.
People are very polar and dont look at why this diet may work?
Why dont people look at the underlying cause of why the diet is functional and take bits and pieces. if people did that they would actually be able to create a diet they enjoy and still maintain a fairly isocaloric lifestyle.
BTW fructose as a cause of obesity and health problems has been destroyed by recent studies.0 -
I've been doing Paleo for the past year.
I can't recommend it enough. I went from a size 10 to a 2. My muscle tone is awesome (I lift weights as well) and I feel better than I have in years. I have a lot of energy now and very little hunger.
It turns out I was allergic to wheat and dairy. So cutting these out along with grains, legumes and sugar has been a real game changer for me. I will never go back to eating the Standard American Diet (SAD).
Robb Wolffe has a wonderful book Called The Paleo Solution and a wonderful podcast page that is full of Paleo advice.
http://robbwolf.com/
There is also another book I highly recommend called The Whole30 - It Starts with Food. Great info.
http://whole9life.com/itstartswithfood/
I also follow The Paleo Diet Life Style on FB.
https://www.facebook.com/paleodietlifestyle?fref=ts
If you don't have FB, they have a webpage. They have fabulous recipes. I make a lot of them. The fajita's being my favorite. I also make a killer Gumbo from that page that is to die for. Instead of rice, you make cauliflower rice. You pulse cauliflower in a food processor or blender until it looks like rice and then you sautee it in butter or olive oil and and your favorite seasonings. It's outstanding and better than rice any day.
http://paleodietlifestyle.com/paleo-diet-recipes/
Although the book Wheat Belly is not Paleo, if you have trouble with digestion is worth reading.
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/
Give it a try. You might just love it just as much as a lot of us "Paleo" people.0 -
had an intolerance or allergy?It turns out I was allergic to wheat and dairy. So cutting these out along with grains, legumes and sugar has been a real game changer for me. I will never go back to eating the Standard American Diet (SAD).
Fruit has sugar btw0 -
had an intolerance or allergy?It turns out I was allergic to wheat and dairy. So cutting these out along with grains, legumes and sugar has been a real game changer for me. I will never go back to eating the Standard American Diet (SAD).
Fruit has sugar btw
Both. Wheat gives me unbearable asthma and the dairy was making it worse.
I realize fruit has sugar..... but it's not table sugar.
I eat a grapefruit or two every day. I need the carbs for my workouts. It's been awesome so far.0 -
In that case its a true allergy. It is just many people claim they have allergies but nothing really happens.
had an intolerance or allergy?It turns out I was allergic to wheat and dairy. So cutting these out along with grains, legumes and sugar has been a real game changer for me. I will never go back to eating the Standard American Diet (SAD).
Fruit has sugar btw
Both. Wheat gives me unbearable asthma and the dairy was making it worse.
I realize fruit has sugar..... but it's not table sugar.
I eat a grapefruit or two every day. I need the carbs for my workouts. It's been awesome so far.0 -
I would fill the chest freezer with T-rex steaks. No idea about the pantry though as I don't think that they had preservatives any paleolithic era?
but seriously, meat and veg pretty much. It's pretty much what I eat anyway + treats that fit macros.0 -
bumb for the interesting stuff0
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In that case its a true allergy. It is just many people claim they have allergies but nothing really happens.
had an intolerance or allergy?It turns out I was allergic to wheat and dairy. So cutting these out along with grains, legumes and sugar has been a real game changer for me. I will never go back to eating the Standard American Diet (SAD).
Fruit has sugar btw
Both. Wheat gives me unbearable asthma and the dairy was making it worse.
I realize fruit has sugar..... but it's not table sugar.
I eat a grapefruit or two every day. I need the carbs for my workouts. It's been awesome so far.
I know. But there are also a lot of people out there who have wheat or dairy intolerance and do not even know it.
Sometimes it's hard to tie in food with digestion issues or asthma, etc. It took me several years to tie it together. I read the book Wheat Belly years ago and that is when it clicked.
I was not eating wheat when I started being Paleo. And was still have horrid asthma attacks and when I cut out the dairy it has improved a lot.
Not every diet is right for everyone. I personally have had amazing results with the Paleo lifestyle and it makes me feel great so there is no turning back for me. I just wanted to share my personal experience with it.0 -
No science to back up this way of eating........not sure why you would do it....
http://www.nsca.com/uploadedFiles/NSCA/Inactive_Content/Program_Books/PTC_2013_Program_Book/Aragon.pdf
Love ignorance...
You want science, read Robb Wolffs book the Paloe Diet if you want the science. He is a microbiologist....0 -
Thanks for the info! I will sit down and take a look at it all!0
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Oh boy... To the Original Poster: If you have any more questions I would recommend joining us over in the Paleo/Primitive Group and asking anything else there on that discussion board. Though there have been a few people that have given you some good advice on here, there will always be others that are super passionately against the diet for some reason without every even trying it themselves or really listening to someone who has.0
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It totally can. Yup. Doesn't make my statement false.
No science backing the Standard American Diet, really....No science to back up this way of eating........not sure why you would do it....
http://www.nsca.com/uploadedFiles/NSCA/Inactive_Content/Program_Books/PTC_2013_Program_Book/Aragon.pdf
Google "False Dichotomy"
The universe can count higher than two.
False? no.
Strawman? Absolutely.
I was going to make an analrapist joke, but I'm afraid it might fall flat.0 -
No science to back up this way of eating........not sure why you would do it....
http://www.nsca.com/uploadedFiles/NSCA/Inactive_Content/Program_Books/PTC_2013_Program_Book/Aragon.pdf
Love ignorance...
You want science, read Robb Wolffs book the Paloe Diet if you want the science. He is a microbiologist....
When I googled Wolff, I got this.
http://www.umass.edu/afroam/faculty/RobertWolff.html
He's a happy dude. Probably not the one you mean though.0 -
My dad did the paleo for a few months and he lost a lot of weight quite quickly and felt really good on it. However, now he appears to be having kidney issues, such as cholesterol on the kidneys. I would advise getting a check up and discussing it with your doctor beforehand just to make sure you have no underlying issues that it might aggravate.0
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Master nutritionist in the fitness community or a microbiologist... hmm..No science to back up this way of eating........not sure why you would do it....
http://www.nsca.com/uploadedFiles/NSCA/Inactive_Content/Program_Books/PTC_2013_Program_Book/Aragon.pdf
Love ignorance...
You want science, read Robb Wolffs book the Paloe Diet if you want the science. He is a microbiologist....
that guy i linked is a masters of nutrition for the american kinesiology and is one of the most respected nutritionists in the athletic and bodybuilding community.0 -
No science to back up this way of eating........not sure why you would do it....
http://www.nsca.com/uploadedFiles/NSCA/Inactive_Content/Program_Books/PTC_2013_Program_Book/Aragon.pdf
Love ignorance...
You want science, read Robb Wolffs book the Paloe Diet if you want the science. He is a microbiologist....
go back to school and quote me studies, articles, and clinical references. You side like every other brainwashed person on this forum that can only talk about books.
"He is a microbiologist, he knows what he is talking about" LOL0 -
The paleo diet shouldnt have caused that.My dad did the paleo for a few months and he lost a lot of weight quite quickly and felt really good on it. However, now he appears to be having kidney issues, such as cholesterol on the kidneys. I would advise getting a check up and discussing it with your doctor beforehand just to make sure you have no underlying issues that it might aggravate.
May have been related to his health previously0 -
Paleo diet can contribute to it via a high fat diet - http://kidney.niddk.nih.gov/kudiseases/pubs/yourkidneys/#signs Though I fully believe that people with no underlying kidney issues shouldn't have a problem.0
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No.Paleo diet can contribute to it via a high fat diet - http://kidney.niddk.nih.gov/kudiseases/pubs/yourkidney
s/#signs Though I fully believe that people with no underlying kidney issues shouldn't have a problem.
You are linking stuff before understanding the pathophysiology of it.
The connection is supposed to be
hypercaloric state, high fat diet, increased blood pressure, increased SVR, increased renal fibrosis.
It is more than simply high fat.
You have to be hypercaloric/fat first0 -
My dad did the paleo for a few months and he lost a lot of weight quite quickly and felt really good on it. However, now he appears to be having kidney issues, such as cholesterol on the kidneys. I would advise getting a check up and discussing it with your doctor beforehand just to make sure you have no underlying issues that it might aggravate.
He had those anyway from stuff he did previously.0 -
My only concern of course is that you dont limit ANY essential nutrients in the diet of your children. I know you said you wouldnt be as strict. I know that paleo restricts dairy and it makes me a little worried that you might remove such a great source of calcium, riboflavin and vitamin D from their diet. Of course they get some great nutrients from carbohydrates mainly B vitamins. Please ensure they have plenty of fruit and green vegetables. Iron and B12 wont be a problem. However, dont limit any sources of fiber such as those that are in whole grains like barley, oats, and legumes. Not sure how young your children are, but keep exposing them to a variety of food keep introducing them to different ethnic palates and learning what the like to eat. Sometimes putting children on diets, when they are healthy, can set them up for a lifelong disordered relationship with food. I am a great example of over restrictive parents and a poor relationship with food. It could be a challenge for you having to prepare an extra side dish or two for the kiddies, but I think you can do it.
Oh and please dont say good bye to the potatoe he's a great tuber! So full of potassium and b vitamins along with fiber and iron if you eat the skin. And to say goodbye to sweet potatos makes my heart ache. How can you kick out such a great source of beta carotene and fiber?!
Can someone explain to me why the paleo diet cuts out tubers? Our ancestors were most certainly eating tubers and roots. They probably made up the bulk of the diet. In fact, if you look at indigenous tribes they eat mostly roots from casava in africa, taro root in the pacific, and manioc of south america
I tried to read that mark's daily apple thing but he went off on a tirad about the lord of the rings and it frankly lost me.0 -
I was an example of letting them eat triple cheeseburger meals at the age of 13.. N=1My only concern of course is that you dont limit ANY essential nutrients in the diet of your children. I know you said you wouldnt be as strict. I know that paleo restricts dairy and it makes me a little worried that you might remove such a great source of calcium, riboflavin and vitamin D from their diet. Of course they get some great nutrients from carbohydrates mainly B vitamins. Please ensure they have plenty of fruit and green vegetables. Iron and B12 wont be a problem. However, dont limit any sources of fiber such as those that are in whole grains like barley, oats, and legumes. Not sure how young your children are, but keep exposing them to a variety of food keep introducing them to different ethnic palates and learning what the like to eat. Sometimes putting children on diets, when they are healthy, can set them up for a lifelong disordered relationship with food. I am a great example of over restrictive parents and a poor relationship with food. It could be a challenge for you having to prepare an extra side dish or two for the kiddies, but I think you can do it.0 -
Surprised no one mentioned (or I missed it?) earlier in the threads the great reviews of the nutrition literature written by Gary Taubes. http://garytaubes.com/
Supports some of what the paleo crowd says, from a macronutrient stand point. Regardless of your feelings about Paleo diet---he is an outstanding science writer.
he reviews the scientific literature very well. Everything is referenced and if you were interested in seeing for yourself the actual studies, you can plug them into Pubmed. the truly fascinating result to me was the Women's Health Initiative. The diet prescribed did not help prevent invasive breast cancer, reduce colon cancer or anything it set out to do.
in 2007 this was done (it was too late to be in the book) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17635889
ok I digress---this is cancer stuff.
But you get the idea that 'conventional' diet wisdom should probably not be swallowed whole and without questioning.
Really, if you want to check out the data yourself about conventional diets, do pubmed searches and check out the science. It is shocking how basically untested ideas were passed off by our 'experts' as gospel, and there is little revision with updated information. The mistake is not so bad and the inability of people wedded to their ego driven ideas to change them when presented new evidence.
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Some paleo people eat tubers and such. I think the concern (granted the all or nothing black and white view of it makes me balk) is that flooding your system with starch -> glucose --> insulin spikes. then the liver makes TGs and this affects LDL particles and all that.
ancestral diets are really interesting. Compare the Maasai to the Sioux. Does anyone know if there has been a book ever written that just lists ancestral diets from around the world? Like hungary planet or What we eat?0 -
I'm just coming off a couple month experiment with primal eating (followed Mark Sisson's book, Primal Blueprint). I came to the conclusion that it's just not a good fit for me, but the experience did teach me about eating healthier. Because of it I've cut way back on eating out, totally cut out diet soda and other artificial sweeteners and I've cut back on processed foods. Op-I'd definitely say go for it and see how it works for you, even if you decided that it's not a good fit for long term, it may help you form healthy eating habits
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