5/3/1

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  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member

    Honestly, unless you are moving some big weight, you don't need a belt. Especially for overhead press. Let your core do it's job and it'll get stronger as you do. I have yet to use my belt for any of the sets I'm doing. Not that I'm going real heavy yet, mid/upper 300's on deads and low/mid 300's on squats.

    this. if you must use a belt, please only on the last and heaviest set.

    Agreed. I f'd up my back a couple years ago, so for me wearing a belt on the heaviest sets is also part mental. It's like knowing that I'm helping to protect my back let's me focus better on the weight I'm about to move and less on form and my back. Not that I don't worry about good form but sometimes focusing on it too much can get in the way of just moving the weight. I would disagree with the OHP comment though. Heavy singles on the OHP can warrant a belt IMO. Maybe it's because of me and my back but I like to have the security on heavy singles / doubles.
  • FrnkLft
    FrnkLft Posts: 1,821 Member
    Came across an awesome app for 5/3/1 for the iPhone. It's called "Big Lifts", and I highly recommend it.

    Keep in mind it is still a relatively new app, and it doesn't work perfectly, but it is so simple, has good options, and is suited perfectly for the big lifts. Has options for assistance work too but I'm not going to be using that since I have my own app for that.

    It also has a plate counter! lol, I feel like an idiot saying this but when I'm tired and don't feel like subtracting the bar and dividing the difference by two constantly, this helps.

    BTW I've actually emailed with the creator of the app and he's going to be rebuilding the thing soon to remedy the stability problem, but seriously this app is great.
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    Came across an awesome app for 5/3/1 for the iPhone. It's called "Big Lifts", and I highly recommend it.

    Keep in mind it is still a relatively new app, and it doesn't work perfectly, but it is so simple, has good options, and is suited perfectly for the big lifts. Has options for assistance work too but I'm not going to be using that since I have my own app for that.

    It also has a plate counter! lol, I feel like an idiot saying this but when I'm tired and don't feel like subtracting the bar and dividing the difference by two constantly, this helps.

    BTW I've actually emailed with the creator of the app and he's going to be rebuilding the thing soon to remedy the stability problem, but seriously this app is great.

    lol... I use the Wendler 531 app on android and also love the plate counter function.
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    I use a notebook and pen, but I have everything tracked on my PC at home. My phones go in my locker so I have no distractions.
  • FrnkLft
    FrnkLft Posts: 1,821 Member
    Lol I've got all kinds of **** going on.

    - iPhone strapped to my arm w/ Pandora, Fitness Buddy, & I guess now Big Lifts running
    - Digital watch to keep track of rest periods (much easier than using in-app timers)
    - Gloves
    - Sometimes straps for those days when I'm tired and I feel like my grip is weakening the rest of a lift.
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    Lol I've got all kinds of **** going on.

    - iPhone strapped to my arm w/ Pandora, Fitness Buddy, & I guess now Big Lifts running
    - Digital watch to keep track of rest periods (much easier than using in-app timers)
    - Gloves
    - Sometimes straps for those days when I'm tired and I feel like my grip is weakening the rest of a lift.



    leave the gloves and straps at home. start developing some real grip strength. grip strength is part of your lift. build it. learn how to properly grip the barbell.

    personally, i find watches and mp3 players and all that distracting. i can feel when my heart rate has dropped down and it's time for the next set. i zone out into my lift and don't need music. i usually go really early in the morning too, so it's quiet. no need for music to drown out anything.
  • FrnkLft
    FrnkLft Posts: 1,821 Member
    Lol I've got all kinds of **** going on.

    - iPhone strapped to my arm w/ Pandora, Fitness Buddy, & I guess now Big Lifts running
    - Digital watch to keep track of rest periods (much easier than using in-app timers)
    - Gloves
    - Sometimes straps for those days when I'm tired and I feel like my grip is weakening the rest of a lift.



    leave the gloves and straps at home. start developing some real grip strength. grip strength is part of your lift. build it. learn how to properly grip the barbell.

    personally, i find watches and mp3 players and all that distracting. i can feel when my heart rate has dropped down and it's time for the next set. i zone out into my lift and don't need music. i usually go really early in the morning too, so it's quiet. no need for music to drown out anything.

    I was waiting for this one lol... OK so I only recently bought gloves because my months old caluses were getting pinched between the bar and my palms on pulling exercises, and with 230 lbs on the bar it just ****ing hurts and gets in the way of a workout...

    and as for grip... my grip is fine and getting better like everything else. I'm not going to risk improper form and not finishing sets for sake of avoiding straps, just because I'm having an off day.
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    I use straps for deads on my 3+ and 1+ sets. I don't care about my grip... I'm not lifting to strengthen my grip, so if it lags behind the rest of me, I'm ok with that.
  • FrnkLft
    FrnkLft Posts: 1,821 Member
    Edit.
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    for me, i prefer to lift without straps or gloves for the most part. i have them, and have used them. i usually still bust out my straps on my last set of OHP on my heavier days. i don't really use gloves as much, as i've learned how to properly grip the bar, especially in the dead lift. i used to tear up my hands, but i learned how to curl my fingers around the bar, instead of the palm of my hand.
  • StaticEntropy
    StaticEntropy Posts: 224 Member
    Lol I've got all kinds of **** going on.

    - iPhone strapped to my arm w/ Pandora, Fitness Buddy, & I guess now Big Lifts running
    - Digital watch to keep track of rest periods (much easier than using in-app timers)
    - Gloves
    - Sometimes straps for those days when I'm tired and I feel like my grip is weakening the rest of a lift.



    leave the gloves and straps at home. start developing some real grip strength. grip strength is part of your lift. build it. learn how to properly grip the barbell.

    personally, i find watches and mp3 players and all that distracting. i can feel when my heart rate has dropped down and it's time for the next set. i zone out into my lift and don't need music. i usually go really early in the morning too, so it's quiet. no need for music to drown out anything.

    I was waiting for this one lol... OK so I only recently bought gloves because my months old caluses were getting pinched between the bar and my palms on pulling exercises, and with 230 lbs on the bar it just ****ing hurts and gets in the way of a workout...

    and as for grip... my grip is fine and getting better like everything else. I'm not going to risk improper form and not finishing sets for sake of avoiding straps, just because I'm having an off day.

    You are likely gripping incorrectly on pulling exercises. Take a look at this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTqNSgCmM2s
  • FrnkLft
    FrnkLft Posts: 1,821 Member
    for me, i prefer to lift without straps or gloves for the most part. i have them, and have used them. i usually still bust out my straps on my last set of OHP on my heavier days. i don't really use gloves as much, as i've learned how to properly grip the bar, especially in the dead lift. i used to tear up my hands, but i learned how to curl my fingers around the bar, instead of the palm of my hand.

    What benefit do you get from using straps for OHP?
  • StaticEntropy
    StaticEntropy Posts: 224 Member
    for me, i prefer to lift without straps or gloves for the most part. i have them, and have used them. i usually still bust out my straps on my last set of OHP on my heavier days. i don't really use gloves as much, as i've learned how to properly grip the bar, especially in the dead lift. i used to tear up my hands, but i learned how to curl my fingers around the bar, instead of the palm of my hand.

    What benefit do you get from using straps for OHP?

    I am guessing he means wrist "wraps" as opposed to "straps".
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    When on a quest to get stronger I fail to see the point in using wrist wraps, but everybody is different I guess. I personally don't own a pair and will definitely not ever own a pair.
  • MisterDerpington
    MisterDerpington Posts: 604 Member
    When on a quest to get stronger I fail to see the point in using wrist wraps, but everybody is different I guess. I personally don't own a pair and will definitely not ever own a pair.

    Since almost every powerlifter uses them, I don't get your point. I personally use them because I had some carpel tunnel and not using them on my heavier sets was hurting my wrists.
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    for me, i prefer to lift without straps or gloves for the most part. i have them, and have used them. i usually still bust out my straps on my last set of OHP on my heavier days. i don't really use gloves as much, as i've learned how to properly grip the bar, especially in the dead lift. i used to tear up my hands, but i learned how to curl my fingers around the bar, instead of the palm of my hand.

    What benefit do you get from using straps for OHP?

    I am guessing he means wrist "wraps" as opposed to "straps".

    yeah, sorry. meant wraps. i used them in the beginning, because i was having some issues with my wrist hurting. but i took the time to develop my grip, and used false grip for OHP, and was able to hoist 170x2 over head.
  • kingkong123
    kingkong123 Posts: 184 Member
    Lol I've got all kinds of **** going on.

    - iPhone strapped to my arm w/ Pandora, Fitness Buddy, & I guess now Big Lifts running
    - Digital watch to keep track of rest periods (much easier than using in-app timers)
    - Gloves
    - Sometimes straps for those days when I'm tired and I feel like my grip is weakening the rest of a lift.



    leave the gloves and straps at home. start developing some real grip strength. grip strength is part of your lift. build it. learn how to properly grip the barbell.

    personally, i find watches and mp3 players and all that distracting. i can feel when my heart rate has dropped down and it's time for the next set. i zone out into my lift and don't need music. i usually go really early in the morning too, so it's quiet. no need for music to drown out anything.

    I was waiting for this one lol... OK so I only recently bought gloves because my months old caluses were getting pinched between the bar and my palms on pulling exercises, and with 230 lbs on the bar it just ****ing hurts and gets in the way of a workout...

    and as for grip... my grip is fine and getting better like everything else. I'm not going to risk improper form and not finishing sets for sake of avoiding straps, just because I'm having an off day.

    You are likely gripping incorrectly on pulling exercises. Take a look at this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTqNSgCmM2s

    I respectfully disagree. Calluses are going to happen from lifting. Get a pumice stone, file, or something similar (I prefer the stone...cheap on Amazon.com) and file down your calluses to a reasonable flat level before they get out of hand. This will prevent the pain and ripping.

    I agree that wrist straps will hinder your grip strength. Use an overhand grip as long as possible on deadlifts. Then go over/under. Then get chalk. If you can't hold the bar on other pulling exercises, you should add grip-strengthening work until it's at a place where you want it to be. Then it should progress as your pulling exercises progress. Gripping and holding the bar are part of the lifts. Straps are an aid...useful at times, but I'd wait until your lifts got crazy heavy or your volume was through the roof to work in straps for certain sets.

    Edit: As far as form...lower the weight or call it a day. It means you're fatigued. You aren't going to hit all you lifts all the time. Get quality work in at a lower weight or move on. You aren't going to lose strength because of a few missed sets. They happen.

    I saw something about apps. I recommend My Gym Buddy. You have to enter a lot of exercises, but once they're in, it's easy to create workouts and track your lifts. It also has three customizable timers on each exercise screen so you can time your rest periods...bell goes off at the end.
  • danimalkeys
    danimalkeys Posts: 982 Member
    When on a quest to get stronger I fail to see the point in using wrist wraps, but everybody is different I guess. I personally don't own a pair and will definitely not ever own a pair.

    Since almost every powerlifter uses them, I don't get your point. I personally use them because I had some carpel tunnel and not using them on my heavier sets was hurting my wrists.

    I have a nice set of wrist wraps. I haven't needed them since my return to lifting, but they were a staple on heavy squats and bench presses back in my powerlifter days. For really heavy lifts, and the abuse that maximum weights puts on the relatively small bones of your wrist, they are more an injury prevention thing than something that helps you lift more, like knee wraps and a belt do.

    If my wrists start bugging me at some point in my lifting journey, I won't hesitate to break them out again.
  • 0OneTwo3
    0OneTwo3 Posts: 149 Member
    So I want to move to a periodized routine, and I have heard of 5/3/1. Looks good to me, but after reading the book he seems like a bit of a bro (a no bs-bro, albeit). Of course if he's right who cares, so what do you guys know about 5/3/1?

    It's pretty similar to the linear progression routine I'm doing now (4-6 x 3 sets, 5 days a week with big lifts) but introducing periodization has what seems like a pretty realistic goal structure.

    Incidentally I also really like the last set to near rep failure part, excellent.

    5/3/1 is the most broscience-free lifting program you'll ever come across. The reason is there's no science involved, it's built around hard work, dedication and consistent gains. I use 5/3/1 and have a 661lb deadlift. Does that sound like broscience?

    Here's what I do:

    Bench: 5/3/1 + 2-3 singles at or above my training max
    Floor Press: 5x5
    Barbell Rows: 5x5
    Chin Ups/Dips Superset 3x10
    Abs

    Squat: 5/3/1 + 2-3 singles at or above my training max
    Front Squat: 5x5
    Good Mornings: 5x5
    Box Step Up/Box Lunges Superset 3x10
    Abs

    Overhead Press: 5/3/1 + 2-3 singles at or above my training max
    Behind The Neck Press: 5x5
    Meadows or DB Rows: 5x5-10
    Delt Raises/Barbell Curl Superset: 3x10
    Abs

    Deadlift: 5/3/1 + 2-3 singles at or above my training max
    Block Pulls: 5x5
    Shrugs: 5x5
    Chins/Box Lunges Superset: 3x10
    Abs

    Then I do sprints with a 150-300lb sled 3-4 times a week.

    I start each training cycle with weights I could rep 8-10 times for 5 sets on my accessories and I add 5lbs every training session until I can't hit all 25 reps and then I reset by 15-20%. If the lift I stalled on wasn't giving me results on my big 4 lifts then I'll swap it out for something different instead of resetting. For example, I was doing narrow grip bench instead of floor press but I was having trouble off the chest with my heavy paused singles, so instead I swapped out for floor presses to develop low end power.

    It's a great program, but don't start it if you're a program hopper. The whole purpose of 5/3/1 is to make slow, steady gains over the course of several years so don't be one of those guys who does it for 3 months and then decides that it's not working and swaps to something different.

    abs everyday? i take it you mean work on the whole core to strengthen it for the big lifts. but still every day? what are your reasons?

    i'm not criticizing btw. just curious.

    edit: @ OP 5/3/1 is in my opinion the best intermediate and among the best advanced strength programs out there.
  • StaticEntropy
    StaticEntropy Posts: 224 Member
    Lol I've got all kinds of **** going on.

    - iPhone strapped to my arm w/ Pandora, Fitness Buddy, & I guess now Big Lifts running
    - Digital watch to keep track of rest periods (much easier than using in-app timers)
    - Gloves
    - Sometimes straps for those days when I'm tired and I feel like my grip is weakening the rest of a lift.



    leave the gloves and straps at home. start developing some real grip strength. grip strength is part of your lift. build it. learn how to properly grip the barbell.

    personally, i find watches and mp3 players and all that distracting. i can feel when my heart rate has dropped down and it's time for the next set. i zone out into my lift and don't need music. i usually go really early in the morning too, so it's quiet. no need for music to drown out anything.

    I was waiting for this one lol... OK so I only recently bought gloves because my months old caluses were getting pinched between the bar and my palms on pulling exercises, and with 230 lbs on the bar it just ****ing hurts and gets in the way of a workout...

    and as for grip... my grip is fine and getting better like everything else. I'm not going to risk improper form and not finishing sets for sake of avoiding straps, just because I'm having an off day.

    You are likely gripping incorrectly on pulling exercises. Take a look at this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTqNSgCmM2s

    I respectfully disagree. Calluses are going to happen from lifting. Get a pumice stone, file, or something similar (I prefer the stone...cheap on Amazon.com) and file down your calluses to a reasonable flat level before they get out of hand. This will prevent the pain and ripping.

    I agree that wrist straps will hinder your grip strength. Use an overhand grip as long as possible on deadlifts. Then go over/under. Then get chalk. If you can't hold the bar on other pulling exercises, you should add grip-strengthening work until it's at a place where you want it to be. Then it should progress as your pulling exercises progress. Gripping and holding the bar are part of the lifts. Straps are an aid...useful at times, but I'd wait until your lifts got crazy heavy or your volume was through the roof to work in straps for certain sets.

    Edit: As far as form...lower the weight or call it a day. It means you're fatigued. You aren't going to hit all you lifts all the time. Get quality work in at a lower weight or move on. You aren't going to lose strength because of a few missed sets. They happen.

    I saw something about apps. I recommend My Gym Buddy. You have to enter a lot of exercises, but once they're in, it's easy to create workouts and track your lifts. It also has three customizable timers on each exercise screen so you can time your rest periods...bell goes off at the end.

    I don't believe we are disagreeing. Calluses will happen, no doubt about that. My point was that if you grip the bar/handle correctly on a pulling exercise, calluses won't ever become a problem. They won't get to the point of hurting or bleeding. I've had calluses since I started lifting, and I've never needed to file them down. They've never bled nor hurt. They are only very slightly raised. And I've yet to use chalk which, aside from helping with grip, should also limit callus problems.

    The wrong way:
    callus-grip.jpg

    vs.

    The right way:
    good-grip.jpg
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    Lol I've got all kinds of **** going on.

    - iPhone strapped to my arm w/ Pandora, Fitness Buddy, & I guess now Big Lifts running
    - Digital watch to keep track of rest periods (much easier than using in-app timers)
    - Gloves
    - Sometimes straps for those days when I'm tired and I feel like my grip is weakening the rest of a lift.



    leave the gloves and straps at home. start developing some real grip strength. grip strength is part of your lift. build it. learn how to properly grip the barbell.

    personally, i find watches and mp3 players and all that distracting. i can feel when my heart rate has dropped down and it's time for the next set. i zone out into my lift and don't need music. i usually go really early in the morning too, so it's quiet. no need for music to drown out anything.

    I was waiting for this one lol... OK so I only recently bought gloves because my months old caluses were getting pinched between the bar and my palms on pulling exercises, and with 230 lbs on the bar it just ****ing hurts and gets in the way of a workout...

    and as for grip... my grip is fine and getting better like everything else. I'm not going to risk improper form and not finishing sets for sake of avoiding straps, just because I'm having an off day.

    You are likely gripping incorrectly on pulling exercises. Take a look at this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTqNSgCmM2s

    I respectfully disagree. Calluses are going to happen from lifting. Get a pumice stone, file, or something similar (I prefer the stone...cheap on Amazon.com) and file down your calluses to a reasonable flat level before they get out of hand. This will prevent the pain and ripping.

    I agree that wrist straps will hinder your grip strength. Use an overhand grip as long as possible on deadlifts. Then go over/under. Then get chalk. If you can't hold the bar on other pulling exercises, you should add grip-strengthening work until it's at a place where you want it to be. Then it should progress as your pulling exercises progress. Gripping and holding the bar are part of the lifts. Straps are an aid...useful at times, but I'd wait until your lifts got crazy heavy or your volume was through the roof to work in straps for certain sets.

    Edit: As far as form...lower the weight or call it a day. It means you're fatigued. You aren't going to hit all you lifts all the time. Get quality work in at a lower weight or move on. You aren't going to lose strength because of a few missed sets. They happen.

    I saw something about apps. I recommend My Gym Buddy. You have to enter a lot of exercises, but once they're in, it's easy to create workouts and track your lifts. It also has three customizable timers on each exercise screen so you can time your rest periods...bell goes off at the end.

    I don't believe we are disagreeing. Calluses will happen, no doubt about that. My point was that if you grip the bar/handle correctly on a pulling exercise, calluses won't ever become a problem. They won't get to the point of hurting or bleeding. I've had calluses since I started lifting, and I've never needed to file them down. They've never bled nor hurt. They are only very slightly raised. And I've yet to use chalk which, aside from helping with grip, should also limit callus problems.

    The wrong way:
    callus-grip.jpg

    vs.

    The right way:
    good-grip.jpg

    bestfranz.gif
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    When on a quest to get stronger I fail to see the point in using wrist wraps, but everybody is different I guess. I personally don't own a pair and will definitely not ever own a pair.

    Since almost every powerlifter uses them, I don't get your point. I personally use them because I had some carpel tunnel and not using them on my heavier sets was hurting my wrists.
    .

    For medical condition it makes sense and can totally see that. Are wraps allowed in competition? If so I did not realize that. I do follow the EliteFTS group, Westside team, and now JTS and have not seen any reference to using wraps. Not saying that they don't but that's definitely news to me that the pro's use them.
    abs everyday? i take it you mean work on the whole core to strengthen it for the big lifts. but still every day? what are your reasons?

    Yup, everyday. Wendler actually says that in his book, I know the Westside manual says every session, and so does the Cube Method which is basically part of the Juggernaut System group.
  • StaticEntropy
    StaticEntropy Posts: 224 Member
    Lol I've got all kinds of **** going on.

    - iPhone strapped to my arm w/ Pandora, Fitness Buddy, & I guess now Big Lifts running
    - Digital watch to keep track of rest periods (much easier than using in-app timers)
    - Gloves
    - Sometimes straps for those days when I'm tired and I feel like my grip is weakening the rest of a lift.



    leave the gloves and straps at home. start developing some real grip strength. grip strength is part of your lift. build it. learn how to properly grip the barbell.

    personally, i find watches and mp3 players and all that distracting. i can feel when my heart rate has dropped down and it's time for the next set. i zone out into my lift and don't need music. i usually go really early in the morning too, so it's quiet. no need for music to drown out anything.

    I was waiting for this one lol... OK so I only recently bought gloves because my months old caluses were getting pinched between the bar and my palms on pulling exercises, and with 230 lbs on the bar it just ****ing hurts and gets in the way of a workout...

    and as for grip... my grip is fine and getting better like everything else. I'm not going to risk improper form and not finishing sets for sake of avoiding straps, just because I'm having an off day.

    You are likely gripping incorrectly on pulling exercises. Take a look at this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTqNSgCmM2s

    I respectfully disagree. Calluses are going to happen from lifting. Get a pumice stone, file, or something similar (I prefer the stone...cheap on Amazon.com) and file down your calluses to a reasonable flat level before they get out of hand. This will prevent the pain and ripping.

    I agree that wrist straps will hinder your grip strength. Use an overhand grip as long as possible on deadlifts. Then go over/under. Then get chalk. If you can't hold the bar on other pulling exercises, you should add grip-strengthening work until it's at a place where you want it to be. Then it should progress as your pulling exercises progress. Gripping and holding the bar are part of the lifts. Straps are an aid...useful at times, but I'd wait until your lifts got crazy heavy or your volume was through the roof to work in straps for certain sets.

    Edit: As far as form...lower the weight or call it a day. It means you're fatigued. You aren't going to hit all you lifts all the time. Get quality work in at a lower weight or move on. You aren't going to lose strength because of a few missed sets. They happen.

    I saw something about apps. I recommend My Gym Buddy. You have to enter a lot of exercises, but once they're in, it's easy to create workouts and track your lifts. It also has three customizable timers on each exercise screen so you can time your rest periods...bell goes off at the end.

    I don't believe we are disagreeing. Calluses will happen, no doubt about that. My point was that if you grip the bar/handle correctly on a pulling exercise, calluses won't ever become a problem. They won't get to the point of hurting or bleeding. I've had calluses since I started lifting, and I've never needed to file them down. They've never bled nor hurt. They are only very slightly raised. And I've yet to use chalk which, aside from helping with grip, should also limit callus problems.

    The wrong way:
    callus-grip.jpg

    vs.

    The right way:
    good-grip.jpg

    bestfranz.gif

    tv-bromance-10.jpg
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    Lol I've got all kinds of **** going on.

    - iPhone strapped to my arm w/ Pandora, Fitness Buddy, & I guess now Big Lifts running
    - Digital watch to keep track of rest periods (much easier than using in-app timers)
    - Gloves
    - Sometimes straps for those days when I'm tired and I feel like my grip is weakening the rest of a lift.



    leave the gloves and straps at home. start developing some real grip strength. grip strength is part of your lift. build it. learn how to properly grip the barbell.

    personally, i find watches and mp3 players and all that distracting. i can feel when my heart rate has dropped down and it's time for the next set. i zone out into my lift and don't need music. i usually go really early in the morning too, so it's quiet. no need for music to drown out anything.

    I was waiting for this one lol... OK so I only recently bought gloves because my months old caluses were getting pinched between the bar and my palms on pulling exercises, and with 230 lbs on the bar it just ****ing hurts and gets in the way of a workout...

    and as for grip... my grip is fine and getting better like everything else. I'm not going to risk improper form and not finishing sets for sake of avoiding straps, just because I'm having an off day.

    You are likely gripping incorrectly on pulling exercises. Take a look at this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTqNSgCmM2s

    I respectfully disagree. Calluses are going to happen from lifting. Get a pumice stone, file, or something similar (I prefer the stone...cheap on Amazon.com) and file down your calluses to a reasonable flat level before they get out of hand. This will prevent the pain and ripping.

    I agree that wrist straps will hinder your grip strength. Use an overhand grip as long as possible on deadlifts. Then go over/under. Then get chalk. If you can't hold the bar on other pulling exercises, you should add grip-strengthening work until it's at a place where you want it to be. Then it should progress as your pulling exercises progress. Gripping and holding the bar are part of the lifts. Straps are an aid...useful at times, but I'd wait until your lifts got crazy heavy or your volume was through the roof to work in straps for certain sets.

    Edit: As far as form...lower the weight or call it a day. It means you're fatigued. You aren't going to hit all you lifts all the time. Get quality work in at a lower weight or move on. You aren't going to lose strength because of a few missed sets. They happen.

    I saw something about apps. I recommend My Gym Buddy. You have to enter a lot of exercises, but once they're in, it's easy to create workouts and track your lifts. It also has three customizable timers on each exercise screen so you can time your rest periods...bell goes off at the end.

    I don't believe we are disagreeing. Calluses will happen, no doubt about that. My point was that if you grip the bar/handle correctly on a pulling exercise, calluses won't ever become a problem. They won't get to the point of hurting or bleeding. I've had calluses since I started lifting, and I've never needed to file them down. They've never bled nor hurt. They are only very slightly raised. And I've yet to use chalk which, aside from helping with grip, should also limit callus problems.

    The wrong way:
    callus-grip.jpg

    vs.

    The right way:
    good-grip.jpg

    bestfranz.gif

    tv-bromance-10.jpg

    ::faints::
  • kingkong123
    kingkong123 Posts: 184 Member

    I don't believe we are disagreeing. Calluses will happen, no doubt about that. My point was that if you grip the bar/handle correctly on a pulling exercise, calluses won't ever become a problem. They won't get to the point of hurting or bleeding. I've had calluses since I started lifting, and I've never needed to file them down. They've never bled nor hurt. They are only very slightly raised. And I've yet to use chalk which, aside from helping with grip, should also limit callus problems.

    The wrong way:
    callus-grip.jpg

    vs.

    The right way:
    good-grip.jpg

    bestfranz.gif
    [/quote]

    Ahhhh, I got you now. And, now that I think of it, I haven't had to really file them down too much since focusing on correcting my grip as you picture above. They do rip sometimes though, but I've developed them enough that a layer comes off and I'm fine. I will say that if they do get too large (which used to happen to me), file em down and try to focus on what you posted above in the future.

    In summary: Look at the pictures. Follow what they say. Capt Apollo's got it together.
  • danimalkeys
    danimalkeys Posts: 982 Member
    When on a quest to get stronger I fail to see the point in using wrist wraps, but everybody is different I guess. I personally don't own a pair and will definitely not ever own a pair.

    Since almost every powerlifter uses them, I don't get your point. I personally use them because I had some carpel tunnel and not using them on my heavier sets was hurting my wrists.
    .

    For medical condition it makes sense and can totally see that. Are wraps allowed in competition? If so I did not realize that. I do follow the EliteFTS group, Westside team, and now JTS and have not seen any reference to using wraps. Not saying that they don't but that's definitely news to me that the pro's use them.
    abs everyday? i take it you mean work on the whole core to strengthen it for the big lifts. but still every day? what are your reasons?

    Yup, everyday. Wendler actually says that in his book, I know the Westside manual says every session, and so does the Cube Method which is basically part of the Juggernaut System group.

    Yes, wrist wraps are definitely allowed in comp. Lifting straps, that go around the bar to help your grip, are not allowed.
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    When on a quest to get stronger I fail to see the point in using wrist wraps, but everybody is different I guess. I personally don't own a pair and will definitely not ever own a pair.

    Since almost every powerlifter uses them, I don't get your point. I personally use them because I had some carpel tunnel and not using them on my heavier sets was hurting my wrists.
    .

    For medical condition it makes sense and can totally see that. Are wraps allowed in competition? If so I did not realize that. I do follow the EliteFTS group, Westside team, and now JTS and have not seen any reference to using wraps. Not saying that they don't but that's definitely news to me that the pro's use them.
    abs everyday? i take it you mean work on the whole core to strengthen it for the big lifts. but still every day? what are your reasons?

    Yup, everyday. Wendler actually says that in his book, I know the Westside manual says every session, and so does the Cube Method which is basically part of the Juggernaut System group.

    Yes, wrist wraps are definitely allowed in comp. Lifting straps, that go around the bar to help your grip, are not allowed.

    Oh okay, totally misread that... Wraps vs. Straps. My bad, L<2 read... Wraps are fine then, protect your body where you can. Straps are a complete waste.
  • danimalkeys
    danimalkeys Posts: 982 Member
    I actually had to start using straps for deadlifts. From years of over/under grip, I have some kind of cyst at the base of my right ring finger that just kills me when I get into heavier weights, plus I have some kind of geezer arthritis thing going on in the middle finger big knuckle joint on that hand as well. Since I am an active musician, and can't afford to have my hands not working 100% I gave up deads for a while, Now, I've changed to an overhand grip, and use straps on the top 2 sets. I'd rather sacrifice the grip strength and get the benefits from the deadlifts.
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    When on a quest to get stronger I fail to see the point in using wrist wraps, but everybody is different I guess. I personally don't own a pair and will definitely not ever own a pair.

    Since almost every powerlifter uses them, I don't get your point. I personally use them because I had some carpel tunnel and not using them on my heavier sets was hurting my wrists.
    .

    For medical condition it makes sense and can totally see that. Are wraps allowed in competition? If so I did not realize that. I do follow the EliteFTS group, Westside team, and now JTS and have not seen any reference to using wraps. Not saying that they don't but that's definitely news to me that the pro's use them.
    abs everyday? i take it you mean work on the whole core to strengthen it for the big lifts. but still every day? what are your reasons?

    Yup, everyday. Wendler actually says that in his book, I know the Westside manual says every session, and so does the Cube Method which is basically part of the Juggernaut System group.

    Yes, wrist wraps are definitely allowed in comp. Lifting straps, that go around the bar to help your grip, are not allowed.

    Oh okay, totally misread that... Wraps vs. Straps. My bad, L<2 read... Wraps are fine then, protect your body where you can. Straps are a complete waste.

    How come? Honest question, not trying to argue... Is there a real reason, or just personal preference?

    I've got plenty of grip strength for normal every day life... I can carry my kids around, I can move furniture, etc etc. It's not an issue for me when racing, nor am I especially concerned with my wrist/hand/forearm physique. It's not an issue for me on weighted pull-ups, rows, or any other pull lift, only deads.

    I dont' see the problem for the average lifter using them on heavier sets.
  • GetSoda
    GetSoda Posts: 1,267 Member
    I don't get the hate on straps.
    What if you've already blown out your grip, but the rest of your body needs more deadlifts for appropriate training volume? Just throw it out the window and slow down deadlift progress because 'lol straps sux'