Eating Clean?
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"Eating Clean" is another form of Orthorexia, where people banish either individual food items or entire food groups based on information that is either of questionable provenance or fits what they last heard on Oprah or Dr. Oz.
My definition of eating clean is to wash all of my fruits and veggies, even the ones that say that they are pre-washed, very thoroughly in water with a bit of either vinegar or bleach (which dissociates in water to sodium and chlorine and has a very short dwell time) like a teaspoon in a gallon of water.
Keep my meat and fish at <40 F until I'm ready to cook them. Don't keep fresh meat in the fridge more than 48 hours before using or freezing.
Keep my pots and pans, prep surfaces, serving dishes and utensils scrubbed. Don't use the same spoon for sampling while cooking - use a clean one.
Whatever you choose to eat, just watch the calories and eat adequate protein.
Are you aware that the world has 7 billion inhabitants and most likely more than six billion have never heard of Dr. Oz or Oprah and still eat clean, meaning that they eat the healthiest food possible ? Just because so many here are uninformed or too arrogant and come up with stupid definitions of " eating clean " does not mean they are funny and intelligent. Are you not aware that this does not help a newcomer who is looking for honest advise and support ?0 -
"Eating Clean" is another form of Orthorexia, where people banish either individual food items or entire food groups based on information that is either of questionable provenance or fits what they last heard on Oprah or Dr. Oz.
My definition of eating clean is to wash all of my fruits and veggies, even the ones that say that they are pre-washed, very thoroughly in water with a bit of either vinegar or bleach (which dissociates in water to sodium and chlorine and has a very short dwell time) like a teaspoon in a gallon of water.
Keep my meat and fish at <40 F until I'm ready to cook them. Don't keep fresh meat in the fridge more than 48 hours before using or freezing.
Keep my pots and pans, prep surfaces, serving dishes and utensils scrubbed. Don't use the same spoon for sampling while cooking - use a clean one.
Whatever you choose to eat, just watch the calories and eat adequate protein.
This is wrong just WRONG. A calorie deficit will allow you to lose weight, if your trying to get a six pack and lean out clean eating is what will lower your body fat percent so that you can see definition. Clean eating is simple, if you can not pronounce the name of an ingredient on a package of food dont eat it.
Scrubbing your food with bleach isnt clean eating
its ridiculous.
Ahhh. This is why I come here ...
Lol yeah yeah yeah! I get it!0 -
omg girl plz learn to spell n just try to eat fresh vegetarian foods n no eggs or processed foods k bye
uhm, why no eggs?? Please. I eat eggs daily....
Yeah, me too! Geez, it totally looks like I'm stalking you, and you're not even on my FL. :bigsmile:0 -
It is not as simple as calories in, calories out. If you consume, picka a number that is your deficit, calories a day of pre-packaged fake garbage food (breakfast cereals, ice cream, dessert, almost anything from a fast food restaraunt, etc) compared to that same number of calories of lean protein, vegetables, fruits and real fats (not transfats or hydrogenated BS), you will not only not lose weight, you will probably gain weight and see a decline in your health.
You go ahead and hit the gym and consume nothing, but foul calories and see where you go with your results. Just look in an average gym. There are plenty of people in there busting their *kitten*, but getting nowhere. Because they don't consume enough protein and healthy fats and overconsume a lot of bad carbohydrates.
Clean eating, is eating real food plain and simple. If it can sit on a shelf for months, it's not real. Does this mean we can't eat it, no. Because we do, but it's not clean eating. Pre-packaged, processed, refined food products are not clean eating no matter how you spin it.
The western diet is filled with garbage food and disease and health degeneration follows wherever it goes. Because it's garbage, tasty garbage. But garbage none the less.
That basic rule of staying to the outside of the grocery store or better yet hit up a farmers market and buy your groceries from there.
A few good books on the topic "In Defense of Food" "Good Calorie, Bad Calorie" Give those a read and start your journey to healthier you.0 -
omg girl plz learn to spell n just try to eat fresh vegetarian foods n no eggs or processed foods k bye
uhm, why no eggs?? Please. I eat eggs daily....
Yeah, me too! Geez, it totally looks like I'm stalking you, and you're not even on my FL. :bigsmile:
hahaha... wait, why not?0 -
It is not as simple as calories in, calories out. If you consume, picka a number that is your deficit, calories a day of pre-packaged fake garbage food (breakfast cereals, ice cream, dessert, almost anything from a fast food restaraunt, etc) compared to that same number of calories of lean protein, vegetables, fruits and real fats (not transfats or hydrogenated BS), you will not only not lose weight, you will probably gain weight and see a decline in your health.
You go ahead and hit the gym and consume nothing, but foul calories and see where you go with your results. Just look in an average gym. There are plenty of people in there busting their *kitten*, but getting nowhere. Because they don't consume enough protein and healthy fats and overconsume a lot of bad carbohydrates.
Clean eating, is eating real food plain and simple. If it can sit on a shelf for months, it's not real. Does this mean we can't eat it, no. Because we do, but it's not clean eating. Pre-packaged, processed, refined food products are not clean eating no matter how you spin it.
The western diet is filled with garbage food and disease and health degeneration follows wherever it goes. Because it's garbage, tasty garbage. But garbage none the less.
That basic rule of staying to the outside of the grocery store or better yet hit up a farmers market and buy your groceries from there.
A few good books on the topic "In Defense of Food" "Good Calorie, Bad Calorie" Give those a read and start your journey to healthier you.
no. food is not your enemy and there is no such thing as a good calorie or a bad calorie, just a calorie.
eat a cookie, you'll feel better.
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."Eating Clean" is another form of Orthorexia, where people banish either individual food items or entire food groups based on information that is either of questionable provenance or fits what they last heard on Oprah or Dr. Oz.
My definition of eating clean is to wash all of my fruits and veggies, even the ones that say that they are pre-washed, very thoroughly in water with a bit of either vinegar or bleach (which dissociates in water to sodium and chlorine and has a very short dwell time) like a teaspoon in a gallon of water.
Keep my meat and fish at <40 F until I'm ready to cook them. Don't keep fresh meat in the fridge more than 48 hours before using or freezing.
Keep my pots and pans, prep surfaces, serving dishes and utensils scrubbed. Don't use the same spoon for sampling while cooking - use a clean one.
Whatever you choose to eat, just watch the calories and eat adequate protein.
Seriously?? How is not eating processed garbage with words you can't pronounce cutting out a food group? I'm pretty possitive high fructose corn syrup and artificial flavors are not food groups. Nor are all of the chemicals and additives put in processed foods.0 -
I've always done well in chemistry. I can pronounce lots of really long ingredients.
I was, however, pronouncing quinoa wrong for years. Still haven't touched the stuff. :laugh:0 -
It is not as simple as calories in, calories out. If you consume, picka a number that is your deficit, calories a day of pre-packaged fake garbage food (breakfast cereals, ice cream, dessert, almost anything from a fast food restaraunt, etc) compared to that same number of calories of lean protein, vegetables, fruits and real fats (not transfats or hydrogenated BS), you will not only not lose weight, you will probably gain weight and see a decline in your health.
You go ahead and hit the gym and consume nothing, but foul calories and see where you go with your results. Just look in an average gym. There are plenty of people in there busting their *kitten*, but getting nowhere. Because they don't consume enough protein and healthy fats and overconsume a lot of bad carbohydrates.
Clean eating, is eating real food plain and simple. If it can sit on a shelf for months, it's not real. Does this mean we can't eat it, no. Because we do, but it's not clean eating. Pre-packaged, processed, refined food products are not clean eating no matter how you spin it.
The western diet is filled with garbage food and disease and health degeneration follows wherever it goes. Because it's garbage, tasty garbage. But garbage none the less.
That basic rule of staying to the outside of the grocery store or better yet hit up a farmers market and buy your groceries from there.
A few good books on the topic "In Defense of Food" "Good Calorie, Bad Calorie" Give those a read and start your journey to healthier you.
More generalized "western" diet bashing for lols. Please keep preaching. It's entertaining.
http://superfitdads.com/why-arent-japanese-people-fat/0 -
It is not as simple as calories in, calories out. If you consume, picka a number that is your deficit, calories a day of pre-packaged fake garbage food (breakfast cereals, ice cream, dessert, almost anything from a fast food restaraunt, etc) compared to that same number of calories of lean protein, vegetables, fruits and real fats (not transfats or hydrogenated BS), you will not only not lose weight, you will probably gain weight and see a decline in your health.
You go ahead and hit the gym and consume nothing, but foul calories and see where you go with your results. Just look in an average gym. There are plenty of people in there busting their *kitten*, but getting nowhere. Because they don't consume enough protein and healthy fats and overconsume a lot of bad carbohydrates.
Clean eating, is eating real food plain and simple. If it can sit on a shelf for months, it's not real. Does this mean we can't eat it, no. Because we do, but it's not clean eating. Pre-packaged, processed, refined food products are not clean eating no matter how you spin it.
The western diet is filled with garbage food and disease and health degeneration follows wherever it goes. Because it's garbage, tasty garbage. But garbage none the less.
That basic rule of staying to the outside of the grocery store or better yet hit up a farmers market and buy your groceries from there.
A few good books on the topic "In Defense of Food" "Good Calorie, Bad Calorie" Give those a read and start your journey to healthier you.
Well you recommended Good calories, bad calories so your there goes your cred.
And also science disagrees with you too, cool story though0 -
It is not as simple as calories in, calories out. If you consume, picka a number that is your deficit, calories a day of pre-packaged fake garbage food (breakfast cereals, ice cream, dessert, almost anything from a fast food restaraunt, etc) compared to that same number of calories of lean protein, vegetables, fruits and real fats (not transfats or hydrogenated BS), you will not only not lose weight, you will probably gain weight and see a decline in your health.
You go ahead and hit the gym and consume nothing, but foul calories and see where you go with your results. Just look in an average gym. There are plenty of people in there busting their *kitten*, but getting nowhere. Because they don't consume enough protein and healthy fats and overconsume a lot of bad carbohydrates.
Clean eating, is eating real food plain and simple. If it can sit on a shelf for months, it's not real. Does this mean we can't eat it, no. Because we do, but it's not clean eating. Pre-packaged, processed, refined food products are not clean eating no matter how you spin it.
The western diet is filled with garbage food and disease and health degeneration follows wherever it goes. Because it's garbage, tasty garbage. But garbage none the less.
That basic rule of staying to the outside of the grocery store or better yet hit up a farmers market and buy your groceries from there.
A few good books on the topic "In Defense of Food" "Good Calorie, Bad Calorie" Give those a read and start your journey to healthier you.
lol0 -
I've always done well in chemistry. I can pronounce lots of really long ingredients.
I was, however, pronouncing quinoa wrong for years. Still haven't touched the stuff. :laugh:
I actually really like quinoa. I did not think I was going to like it before trying it.0 -
"Eating Clean" is another form of Orthorexia, where people banish either individual food items or entire food groups based on information that is either of questionable provenance or fits what they last heard on Oprah or Dr. Oz.
My definition of eating clean is to wash all of my fruits and veggies, even the ones that say that they are pre-washed, very thoroughly in water with a bit of either vinegar or bleach (which dissociates in water to sodium and chlorine and has a very short dwell time) like a teaspoon in a gallon of water.
Keep my meat and fish at <40 F until I'm ready to cook them. Don't keep fresh meat in the fridge more than 48 hours before using or freezing.
Keep my pots and pans, prep surfaces, serving dishes and utensils scrubbed. Don't use the same spoon for sampling while cooking - use a clean one.
Whatever you choose to eat, just watch the calories and eat adequate protein.
Are you aware that the world has 7 billion inhabitants and most likely more than six billion have never heard of Dr. Oz or Oprah and still eat clean, meaning that they eat the healthiest food possible ? Just because so many here are uninformed or too arrogant and come up with stupid definitions of " eating clean " does not mean they are funny and intelligent. Are you not aware that this does not help a newcomer who is looking for honest advise and support ?
And how many of the 7 billion have no access to bleach and are therefore unable to eat clean?0 -
I think people will always argue about "Clean eating" and calories in - calories out.
Clean eating, I think, ensures your body gets all the nutrients your body needs. I think it focuses more on the quality of food eating where as calories is just a mathmatical equation. You will lose weight eating at a deficit but you might not necessary be as healthy as you can be.
Ive got from 175llb to 143llb just concentrating on the equation. Its now become hard for me to lose the final stone and I'm sick of calorie counting.0 -
If you say so brother.0
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If you say so brother.
Then substantiate the nonsense such as;
" If you consume, picka a number that is your deficit, calories a day of pre-packaged fake garbage food (breakfast cereals, ice cream, dessert, almost anything from a fast food restaraunt, etc) compared to that same number of calories of lean protein, vegetables, fruits and real fats (not transfats or hydrogenated BS), you will not only not lose weight, you will probably gain weight and see a decline in your health. "
"You go ahead and hit the gym and consume nothing, but foul calories and see where you go with your results. Just look in an average gym. There are plenty of people in there busting their *kitten*, but getting nowhere. Because they don't consume enough protein and healthy fats and overconsume a lot of bad carbohydrates. "0 -
Calories in - calories out. I'll be eating nothing but donuts at a calorie deficit. So many varieties, so my diet doesn't get boring. Can't wait to get shredded.0
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omg girl plz learn to spell n just try to eat fresh vegetarian foods n no eggs or processed foods k bye
Why are you telling someone to learn to spell when clearly you can't yourself??
Plz? n? k?
Kettle
Pot
Black0 -
no. food is not your enemy and there is no such thing as a good calorie or a bad calorie, just a calorie.
eat a cookie, you'll feel better.
If he doesn't want it (being all clean-eaty and stuff)...can I have it?
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Just make sure you warsh yer nutz and salad and all is good.
Never know what you will catch...0 -
eating clean means different things to different people and you'll get a thousand different answers,
for me, it means no artificial sugar other than what is in fruits, or stevia.
no soda, no junk food , or processed foods ie. 100 calorie snack things. if it has more than 4 ingredients, i dont eat it. (with the exception of my protein powder, and protein bars).
I cook all of my food so I know what went into it and how many calories are in it.
I stay away from white pasta, white rice (thats just my personal preference) and am trying to eat gluten free (no wheat products bc I bloat).
the times I break all of these rules are when I have a cheat meal.
Clean eating or any kind of eating however, wont help your weightloss if youre eating at a surplus or at maintenance.
On the bright side, cookies and cake appear clean ..
Butter
Sugar (real)
Eggs
Flour
So is ice cream.
So that chipwich is clean. nice.0 -
eating clean means different things to different people and you'll get a thousand different answers,
for me, it means no artificial sugar other than what is in fruits, or stevia.
no soda, no junk food , or processed foods ie. 100 calorie snack things. if it has more than 4 ingredients, i dont eat it. (with the exception of my protein powder, and protein bars).
I cook all of my food so I know what went into it and how many calories are in it.
I stay away from white pasta, white rice (thats just my personal preference) and am trying to eat gluten free (no wheat products bc I bloat).
the times I break all of these rules are when I have a cheat meal.
Clean eating or any kind of eating however, wont help your weightloss if youre eating at a surplus or at maintenance.
On the bright side, cookies and cake appear clean ..
Butter
Sugar (real)
Eggs
Flour
Wrong, butter and flour are def processed, therefore unclean0 -
eating clean means different things to different people and you'll get a thousand different answers,
for me, it means no artificial sugar other than what is in fruits, or stevia.
no soda, no junk food , or processed foods ie. 100 calorie snack things. if it has more than 4 ingredients, i dont eat it. (with the exception of my protein powder, and protein bars).
I cook all of my food so I know what went into it and how many calories are in it.
I stay away from white pasta, white rice (thats just my personal preference) and am trying to eat gluten free (no wheat products bc I bloat).
the times I break all of these rules are when I have a cheat meal.
Clean eating or any kind of eating however, wont help your weightloss if youre eating at a surplus or at maintenance.
On the bright side, cookies and cake appear clean ..
Butter
Sugar (real)
Eggs
Flour
Wrong, butter and flour are def processed, therefore unclean
But .. But .. I can pronounce them.
I took it to mean unnecessary processing.
There is no such thing as unprocessed butter or unprocessed flour. I agree.
But then this makes yogurt unclean too .. and cheese. I guess scrambled eggs are unclean too. (sure sure cooking's a process, but nobody's arguing for 100% raw here are they?)0 -
eating clean means different things to different people and you'll get a thousand different answers,
for me, it means no artificial sugar other than what is in fruits, or stevia.
no soda, no junk food , or processed foods ie. 100 calorie snack things. if it has more than 4 ingredients, i dont eat it. (with the exception of my protein powder, and protein bars).
I cook all of my food so I know what went into it and how many calories are in it.
I stay away from white pasta, white rice (thats just my personal preference) and am trying to eat gluten free (no wheat products bc I bloat).
the times I break all of these rules are when I have a cheat meal.
Clean eating or any kind of eating however, wont help your weightloss if youre eating at a surplus or at maintenance.
On the bright side, cookies and cake appear clean ..
Butter
Sugar (real)
Eggs
Flour
Wrong, butter and flour are def processed, therefore unclean
But .. But .. I can pronounce them.
*snort*0 -
I've always done well in chemistry. I can pronounce lots of really long ingredients.
I was, however, pronouncing quinoa wrong for years. Still haven't touched the stuff. :laugh:
Don't get me wrong - I eat my share of processed crap, but calling not eating it an eating disorder? Dumb....
I just tried quinoa recently for the first time. Not bad - not amazing.... I'd rather eat rice...0 -
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, as another poster already posted. Follow this link. YOU are the one that's wrong. That may be what you need to do to get the lower body fat percentage but ultimately it isn't about clean eating, it is about calories in versus calories out.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1027933-look-what-fast-food-ice-cream-have-done-to-my-cholesterol
Lots of examples of people achieving low body fat objectives through changing diet. Link does not show someone achieving low bf, just losing weight. Different goals.
Um... what exactly do you think he lost there, other than his shorts, if not body fat?
He lost fat and some muscle. He is now low weight. Not muscular, not low bf. His approach is a good approach for general weight loss, as it includes a moderate calorie deficit and decent macros, plus increased activity level. He sometimes eats small amounts of low impact fast food and a cup or less of ice cream - so compared to a problem "American" diet, he eats relatively very "clean". He might be able to achieve low bf, but he hasn't. Maybe his diet is holding him back, maybe his lack of lifting, maybe a combination. Maybe he'll eventually get ripped. Who knows.0 -
He lost fat and some muscle. He is now low weight. Not muscular, not low bf. His approach is a good approach for general weight loss, as it includes a moderate calorie deficit and decent macros, plus increased activity level. He sometimes eats small amounts of low impact fast food and a cup or less of ice cream - so compared to a problem "American" diet, he eats relatively very "clean". He might be able to achieve low bf, but he hasn't. Maybe his diet is holding him back, maybe his lack of lifting, maybe a combination. Maybe he'll eventually get ripped. Who knows.
And maybe getting ripped isn't his goal. Hard to believe, I know, but some people might not want to be ripped.
Low body fat and being ripped isn't my goal. When it starts to get too low, I start eating more. I admire the physiques of fitness models, but I don't like it on myself.0 -
I think people will always argue about "Clean eating" and calories in - calories out.
Clean eating, I think, ensures your body gets all the nutrients your body needs. I think it focuses more on the quality of food eating where as calories is just a mathmatical equation. You will lose weight eating at a deficit but you might not necessary be as healthy as you can be.
Yep, it's an age old debate. And it frustrates me, because the answer always seemed pretty obvious. As you stated, clean eating is for HEALTH. Obviously a bowl of fruit is healthier for your body than a box of chocolates. More nutrients, no chemicals, etc. But calorie counting is for WEIGHT LOSS. You can absolutely lose weight (and yes, get ripped too) by focusing solely on a calorie deficit. There are countless examples, here on MFP, of people who eat "dirty" and got shredded.
It's silly to me that this is still being debated.0 -
My friends I am all up for learning. So lets have a legit dialogue. I think the disconnect lies in who the subject of the conversation regarding intake is.
Are you hitting the gym and ramming the intensity through the roof, are you crossfitting, are you doing the traditional bodybuilding style types of workouts, running marathons, triathlons basically is this person exercising with a high intensity? Or is this the typical person not doing anything or doing some very low impact, low intensity exercising.
If you are going to the gym and pounding the steel. Then yes a carb loading philosophy filled with high glycemic intake will reap benefits. Especially when timed properly and when dialed in, in terms of amounts. I have seen folks reap the benefits of eating "dirty" and consuming pastries, pizza, white rice, etc. because their muscles needed it after depleting their glycogen stores.
If you are someone that participates in long distance, place whatever exercise you want here, then your intake should definitely have more carbs than the average bear. And yes I agree these folks can stray away from nutrient dense with no ill effects and some positive ones.
But if you're the average person. Who's hitting the Zumba classes or Strength and Core hour at the local Golds, are you suggesting that a diet filled with those same high sugar, highly refined insulin spiking carbs will help them in their effort to drop fat. If their muscles are not needing the glycogen, because the stores are not depleted what happens to the influx of glucose. There's no immediate need to burn it, the muscles don't need it, so that leaves only one place for it to go. At least that's my understanding. If I'm wrong then lets chat, like I said only a fool doesn't want to learn.
I agree caloric monitoring plays a huge factor in weight loss, achieving a physique and body that is healthy and performs at an optimal level. My argument is that if you are not active or not exercising with a high intensity then consuming a caloric deficit of junk will not provide the results you want. Consuming at a deficit with clean food will.
And I'm not saying its a nonstop 24x7 thing. Who the hell doesn't like cookies and pizza. I'm saying keep it in check.
Forgive any spelling or cut up sentences this was done on my iPhone.0 -
My friends I am all up for learning. So lets have a legit dialogue. I think the disconnect lies in who the subject of the conversation regarding intake is.
Are you hitting the gym and ramming the intensity through the roof, are you crossfitting, are you doing the traditional bodybuilding style types of workouts, running marathons, triathlons basically is this person exercising with a high intensity? Or is this the typical person not doing anything or doing some very low impact, low intensity exercising.
If you are going to the gym and pounding the steel. Then yes a carb loading philosophy filled with high glycemic intake will reap benefits. Especially when timed properly and when dialed in, in terms of amounts. I have seen folks reap the benefits of eating "dirty" and consuming pastries, pizza, white rice, etc. because their muscles needed it after depleting their glycogen stores.
If you are someone that participates in long distance, place whatever exercise you want here, then your intake should definitely have more carbs than the average bear. And yes I agree these folks can stray away from nutrient dense with no ill effects and some positive ones.
But if you're the average person. Who's hitting the Zumba classes or Strength and Core hour at the local Golds, are you suggesting that a diet filled with those same high sugar, highly refined insulin spiking carbs will help them in their effort to drop fat. If their muscles are not needing the glycogen, because the stores are not depleted what happens to the influx of glucose. There's no immediate need to burn it, the muscles don't need it, so that leaves only one place for it to go. At least that's my understanding. If I'm wrong then lets chat, like I said only a fool doesn't want to learn.
I agree caloric monitoring plays a huge factor in weight loss, achieving a physique and body that is healthy and performs at an optimal level. My argument is that if you are not active or not exercising with a high intensity then consuming a caloric deficit of junk will not provide the results you want. Consuming at a deficit with clean food will.
And I'm not saying its a nonstop 24x7 thing. Who the hell doesn't like cookies and pizza. I'm saying keep it in check.
Forgive any spelling or cut up sentences this was done on my iPhone.
Let's put it this way, if someone hits their protein and fat macros, satisfies their fiber and micronutrient numbers, and ultimately ends up at their calorie goals, then what does it matter if they are doing that while eating a bowl of ice cream, a pop tart, French toast, fried chicken and/or a ton of fruit? Saying this is clean or not clean adds nothing to the discussion. Macros are hit. Fiber is hit. Micros are hit. Gym is hit hard (of course). End of story.0
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