Young Living Essential Oils / NingXia Red

cmriverside: True. But long-timer amykluver started this thread and Thieves hadn't entered the discussion before long-timer Mouse_Potato brought it up. Seems like you have such an anti-MLM or YL bias that you disregard the info presented. I didn't see any recruiting going on except yours--to join the anti-MLM brigade to censor info.

cmriverside: True. But long-timer amykluver started this thread and Thieves hadn't entered the discussion before long-timer Mouse_Potato brought it up. Seems like you have such an anti-MLM or YL bias that you disregard the info presented. I didn't see any recruiting going on except yours--to join the anti-MLM brigade to censor info.

I disregard any info that walks like a duck.

You can keep trying to convince people, but linking to a site that sells the stuff is against forum rules, so you may want to rethink that approach. I see people here frequently who are trying to push products. You are no different - regardless of your "Research" - which no one is really falling for here, so take it back to your site.

Yes, I'm firmly anti-MLM.

Might be best to let long-timer Mouse_Potato decide whether I spammed her or truly/thoughtfully answered the questions she asked with the links I provided. So far, you seem to be the one spamming this particular conversation.

evileen99: Not disputing that. But that wasn't the question which had more to do with whether or not frankincense had been injected into a tumor.

On the other hand, it is well known that, while the US healthcare system is #1 in acute/emergency/traumatic care, it sucks at chronic issues. In other words, if I have a bullet wound or broken limb, get me to a US doctor pronto. But if I have cancer, arthritis, lupus, or whatever, the best answers usually lie outside the US system which is the realm of pharmaceutical companies that publish the textbooks for medical schools and have a revolving door with the FDA, DHS, etc.

And due to bureaucratic red tape, it's not uncommon for the true cutting-edge stuff to be happening outside the US, i.e., stem cell therapy--one of the world's foremost experts on stem cell therapy is in Ecuador.

I would think this would be common knowledge on a fitness site (not the realm of mainstream medical institutions), especially under the "Food and Nutrition" topic (also not the realm of mainstream medical institutions). Your rants in favor of double-blind studies and such would fit better on a forum dedicated to something like patented drugs that are precisely-manufactured with a handful isolated, synthetic (dead) ingredients rather than on a fitness forum where solutions can vary as widely as individuals and the compounds in an orange can number in the hundreds and vary with the season...or time of day.

evileen99: Not disputing that. But that wasn't the question which had more to do with whether or not frankincense had been injected into a tumor.

Anyone use or ever use any of these products? I'm curious as to your results. I tried a sample of NingXia Red (an all natural "health" drink) over the weekend and had great results, but wondering how long-lived those results will be. Especially for the cost.

On January 8 of this year, 60 Minutes aired a report on another stem cell fraud scheme, this time centered on physician Dan Ecklund, who lives in Alabama but is listed as the lab director and president of Ecuador-based Stem Tech Labs. Stem Tech's website claims it can treat more than 70 diseases using stem cells at a price beginning at $US 2,500. The site also encourages donations to Stem Tech, which it says will be used for its research and production operations.

In this 60 Minutes report, Ecklund, whose medical license was revoked in 2005, told the family of a child suffering from cerebral palsy that he could treat their son with a series of four stem cell injections at a cost of $US 20,000 after examining him via teleconference. What he didn't know was that the family was part of the 60 Minutes investigation. Ecklund agreed to meet the family at a Florida hotel and administer the treatments there, according to the 60 Minutes report. (Ecklund disputes this.) When Ecklund showed up, the family left and a 60 Minutes reporter walked in. Ecklund left the interview after only a few questions.

The show also purchased stem cells over the Internet from Stem Tech, ordering from the company's website. Joanne Kurtzberg, M.D., a renowned expert in umbilical cord blood transplantation, chief scientific officer of stem cell research at Duke University and a STEM CELLS editorial board member, tested the cells and found they were disintegrating and unsafe to use.

I hope your products from Ecuador are nothing like these stem cell products - I'm sure you are medically licensed, FDA approved to treat whatever ailment you are promoting such as tumor treament. No fraud there. No sir.

I you want to promote science and innovation by association of country source, I'm sure you don't mind fraud by association.

While I do love Essential Oils, I don't use either of these products. After much research regarding the differences in oil grades I actually didn't find either of these on any of the top 10 lists of CPTG grade oils.

evileen99: Not disputing that. But that wasn't the question which had more to do with whether or not frankincense had been injected into a tumor.

On the other hand, it is well known that, while the US healthcare system is #1 in acute/emergency/traumatic care, it sucks at chronic issues. In other words, if I have a bullet wound or broken limb, get me to a US doctor pronto. But if I have cancer, arthritis, lupus, or whatever, the best answers usually lie outside the US system which is the realm of pharmaceutical companies that publish the textbooks for medical schools and have a revolving door with the FDA, DHS, etc.

And due to bureaucratic red tape, it's not uncommon for the true cutting-edge stuff to be happening outside the US, i.e., stem cell therapy--one of the world's foremost experts on stem cell therapy is in Ecuador.

I would think this would be common knowledge on a fitness site (not the realm of mainstream medical institutions), especially under the "Food and Nutrition" topic (also not the realm of mainstream medical institutions). Your rants in favor of double-blind studies and such would fit better on a forum dedicated to something like patented drugs that are precisely-manufactured with a handful isolated, synthetic (dead) ingredients rather than on a fitness forum where solutions can vary as widely as individuals and the compounds in an orange can number in the hundreds and vary with the season...or time of day.

lol. in for the new way of promoting oils by calling medical products full of "synthetic dead" ingredients.

The oils are alive! yikes!

Reminder to everyone else:
EvgeniZyntx used the phrase "oils are alive."
I simply contrasted pharmaceuticals to an orange.
Yes, I feel justified in thinking that one has dead/inert ingredients while the other is packed with living enzymes.