GOT: Why do people hate Sansa?

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  • bodiva88
    bodiva88 Posts: 308 Member
    She's perfectly aware her sister and father aren't traitors. She is in a position where she has to say what the people in power around her want her to say because if she doesn't she'll die. She's not stupid. She's trapped. As for dreaming of a rich and powerful husband, isn't that what she was taught was her goal in life from the time she was born? She's a female child of a powerful family. It was her expected role and she embraced it.

    Arya is one of my favorites, but that doesn't mean I don't realize she's done some really stupid thoughtless things. She's the opposite of Sensa as far as gender roles. She rejected what was expected of her up to the time everything fell apart. No knowing if she'd have gone through puberty and decided being a girl wasn't all bad. But under the circumstances, she's lucky she was the tomboy. It's saved her. Even through some of her boneheaded missteps (from which she's been saved by the men around her).
  • BJPCraig
    BJPCraig Posts: 417 Member
    And, again, she's 11 years old.

    So, someone PLEASE give me a reason to not like Sansa! She isn't my favorite character, but I don't dislike her and see no reason to. (Spoilers are OK. I spoil this kind of thing for myself all the time.)

    Like you said, she's 11 years old. Sansa represents everything not likable about a girl in her early teens: she's silly, shallow, and self-centered. Personally, I don't dislike her; but I can't say I exactly LIKE her, either. But the simple fact is that Martin does a great job writing very realistic characters and most people don't have the patience to deal with a spoiled 11-year-old girl (and for anyone who thinks she's not spoiled, remember: She is LITERALLY a princess).
  • MelsAuntie
    MelsAuntie Posts: 2,833 Member
    Because she's a shallow, self-centered airhead? Oh well, she gets hers once married to Joffrey, who treats her like crap.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    Because I would argue that Ned Stark's death is her fault. Yes, Ned does question Joffrey's birth but it is Sansa's request for mercy that pushes Joffrey to kill him because he's a little prick. I do kinda feel bad for her but she was never really one of my favorites to start with. I've always liked Arya better. I've only watched the HBO series so I don't know how it goes in the books. :P
    That isn't her fault. How could she possibly have known?
    She was naive and was dumb enough to tell Cersi about Ned' s plan on how he was returning them to Winterfell. If she wasn't blinded by her love for Joffrey she would have kept that to herself.
    Cersei already knew what Ned was planning as far as revealing her secret. Ned told her himself. Sansa only revealed the plan to get her and Arya out of King's Landing. So, she's maybe responsible for her own captivity, but not her father's death.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    Because she's a shallow, self-centered airhead? Oh well, she gets hers once married to Joffrey, who treats her like crap.
    She never marries Joffrey.

    Snd she deserves to be severely beaten by hrown men? Really?
  • RoseDarrett
    RoseDarrett Posts: 355 Member
    I don't hate her. It just makes me feel sad that she doesn't have that Stark "fight" in her.

    She's different from them,more fragile than the rest and in the books to me she comes across as naive. It bugged me as well that she didn't leave King's Landing when she has the chance.

    I think she's just trying to survive.
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    If you've read all the books, you might suspect that Sansa is being positioned to become a major player. Her character is developing in an interesting way.

    Yes, I could see it ending with Sansa ruling everything.
  • DragonSquatter
    DragonSquatter Posts: 957 Member
    I hated her at first, because I really really hate whiny spineless characters. That's how she came across to me in the book, despite her young age. Arya is even younger and kickin' major booty.

    However, with the recent shift in the latest two books, I'm not quite so bothered by her. I'm firmly on Team Jon and Team Daenerys though.
  • firstsip
    firstsip Posts: 8,399 Member
    Because she's a shallow, self-centered airhead? Oh well, she gets hers once married to Joffrey, who treats her like crap.

    No, no, we were asking why people hate Sansa.
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    Because they have way too much time on their hands. It's a book/show. Get a life.


    Why bother posting on this thread? It's just a website. Get a life.
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    I hated her at first, because I really really hate whiny spineless characters. That's how she came across to me in the book, despite her young age. Arya is even younger and kickin' major booty.

    However, with the recent shift in the latest two books, I'm not quite so bothered by her. I'm firmly on Team Jon and Team Daenerys though.

    I could be on Team Daenerys if she would actually do something sometime soon! Too much wandering around in the desert for me.
  • DragonSquatter
    DragonSquatter Posts: 957 Member
    I hated her at first, because I really really hate whiny spineless characters. That's how she came across to me in the book, despite her young age. Arya is even younger and kickin' major booty.

    However, with the recent shift in the latest two books, I'm not quite so bothered by her. I'm firmly on Team Jon and Team Daenerys though.

    I could be on Team Daenerys if she would actually do something sometime soon! Too much wandering around in the desert for me.

    SPOILER ALERT
    Ugh, don't EVEN get me started on that. I want to punch George R. R. Martin in the face after the last book.. 5 books in, and she has her army, her dragons, and had done ........................... oh ... nothing really...

    GRR
  • MelsAuntie
    MelsAuntie Posts: 2,833 Member
    Because she's a shallow, self-centered airhead? Oh well, she gets hers once married to Joffrey, who treats her like crap.

    No, no, we were asking why people hate Sansa.


    Wait... Sansa didn't marry Joffrey? I haven't read the books in years, may have remembered that wrong......
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    I hated her at first, because I really really hate whiny spineless characters. That's how she came across to me in the book, despite her young age. Arya is even younger and kickin' major booty.

    However, with the recent shift in the latest two books, I'm not quite so bothered by her. I'm firmly on Team Jon and Team Daenerys though.

    I could be on Team Daenerys if she would actually do something sometime soon! Too much wandering around in the desert for me.

    SPOILER ALERT
    Ugh, don't EVEN get me started on that. I want to punch George R. R. Martin in the face after the last book.. 5 books in, and she has her army, her dragons, and had done ........................... oh ... nothing really...

    GRR

    Exactly!

    Team Jon all the way though. By far my favorite character.

    The way I see it, Sansa represents an "innocent" perspective.....someone who still sees the world as good and the stuff of fairy tales. But everyone is ruining that for her. What happens then? How does that shape her? What exactly does the loss of innocence and childhood do to a person? I don't like her, but I respect where Martin is taking the character.

    Jon, on the other hand.......well, who doesn't love an underdog, slightly bad-boy with a heart of gold?
  • DragonSquatter
    DragonSquatter Posts: 957 Member
    Because she's a shallow, self-centered airhead? Oh well, she gets hers once married to Joffrey, who treats her like crap.

    No, no, we were asking why people hate Sansa.


    Wait... Sansa didn't marry Joffrey? I haven't read the books in years, may have remembered that wrong......

    Err nope. Didn't even get close to the altar really.

    Wikipedia has a good synopsis of all the books if you want to do a quick catch up.
  • DragonSquatter
    DragonSquatter Posts: 957 Member
    I hated her at first, because I really really hate whiny spineless characters. That's how she came across to me in the book, despite her young age. Arya is even younger and kickin' major booty.

    However, with the recent shift in the latest two books, I'm not quite so bothered by her. I'm firmly on Team Jon and Team Daenerys though.

    I could be on Team Daenerys if she would actually do something sometime soon! Too much wandering around in the desert for me.

    SPOILER ALERT
    Ugh, don't EVEN get me started on that. I want to punch George R. R. Martin in the face after the last book.. 5 books in, and she has her army, her dragons, and had done ........................... oh ... nothing really...

    GRR

    Exactly!

    Team Jon all the way though. By far my favorite character.

    The way I see it, Sansa represents an "innocent" perspective.....someone who still sees the world as good and the stuff of fairy tales. But everyone is ruining that for her. What happens then? How does that shape her? What exactly does the loss of innocence and childhood do to a person? I don't like her, but I respect where Martin is taking the character.

    Jon, on the other hand.......well, who doesn't love an underdog, slightly bad-boy with a heart of gold?

    I understand why Sansa is necessary to the plot and overarching world story. I just find that type of character to be annoying at times. I was happy that she got out of marrying Joffrey though.

    Jon is amazing. Totally great character.
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    I hated her at first, because I really really hate whiny spineless characters. That's how she came across to me in the book, despite her young age. Arya is even younger and kickin' major booty.

    However, with the recent shift in the latest two books, I'm not quite so bothered by her. I'm firmly on Team Jon and Team Daenerys though.

    I could be on Team Daenerys if she would actually do something sometime soon! Too much wandering around in the desert for me.

    SPOILER ALERT
    Ugh, don't EVEN get me started on that. I want to punch George R. R. Martin in the face after the last book.. 5 books in, and she has her army, her dragons, and had done ........................... oh ... nothing really...

    GRR

    Exactly!

    Team Jon all the way though. By far my favorite character.

    The way I see it, Sansa represents an "innocent" perspective.....someone who still sees the world as good and the stuff of fairy tales. But everyone is ruining that for her. What happens then? How does that shape her? What exactly does the loss of innocence and childhood do to a person? I don't like her, but I respect where Martin is taking the character.

    Jon, on the other hand.......well, who doesn't love an underdog, slightly bad-boy with a heart of gold?

    I understand why Sansa is necessary to the plot and overarching world story. I just find that type of character to be annoying at times. I was happy that she got out of marrying Joffrey though.

    Jon is amazing. Totally great character.

    This is why I like you :flowerforyou:
  • da_bears10089
    da_bears10089 Posts: 1,791 Member
    I hated her at first, because I really really hate whiny spineless characters. That's how she came across to me in the book, despite her young age. Arya is even younger and kickin' major booty.

    However, with the recent shift in the latest two books, I'm not quite so bothered by her. I'm firmly on Team Jon and Team Daenerys though.

    I could be on Team Daenerys if she would actually do something sometime soon! Too much wandering around in the desert for me.

    SPOILER ALERT
    Ugh, don't EVEN get me started on that. I want to punch George R. R. Martin in the face after the last book.. 5 books in, and she has her army, her dragons, and had done ........................... oh ... nothing really...

    GRR

    Exactly!

    Team Jon all the way though. By far my favorite character.

    The way I see it, Sansa represents an "innocent" perspective.....someone who still sees the world as good and the stuff of fairy tales. But everyone is ruining that for her. What happens then? How does that shape her? What exactly does the loss of innocence and childhood do to a person? I don't like her, but I respect where Martin is taking the character.

    Jon, on the other hand.......well, who doesn't love an underdog, slightly bad-boy with a heart of gold?

    I was team Robb... the Red Wedding was shattering. I sat there, jaw dropped, and unable to understand what had just happened.
  • DragonSquatter
    DragonSquatter Posts: 957 Member
    I was team Robb... the Red Wedding was shattering. I sat there, jaw dropped, and unable to understand what had just happened.

    I liked Robb, but I agree that he had to go. Having the son avenge the father storyline play out would've been predictable and a bit boring IMHO. I hated how gruesome his death was though. It was really shocking and upsetting to read.
  • RoseDarrett
    RoseDarrett Posts: 355 Member
    I was team Robb... the Red Wedding was shattering. I sat there, jaw dropped, and unable to understand what had just happened.

    I liked Robb, but I agree that he had to go. Having the son avenge the father storyline play out would've been predictable and a bit boring IMHO. I hated how gruesome his death was though. It was really shocking and upsetting to read.


    Yes. Reading that was hard.
  • LoraF83
    LoraF83 Posts: 15,694 Member
    I hated her at first, because I really really hate whiny spineless characters. That's how she came across to me in the book, despite her young age. Arya is even younger and kickin' major booty.

    However, with the recent shift in the latest two books, I'm not quite so bothered by her. I'm firmly on Team Jon and Team Daenerys though.

    I could be on Team Daenerys if she would actually do something sometime soon! Too much wandering around in the desert for me.

    SPOILER ALERT
    Ugh, don't EVEN get me started on that. I want to punch George R. R. Martin in the face after the last book.. 5 books in, and she has her army, her dragons, and had done ........................... oh ... nothing really...

    GRR

    Exactly!

    Team Jon all the way though. By far my favorite character.

    The way I see it, Sansa represents an "innocent" perspective.....someone who still sees the world as good and the stuff of fairy tales. But everyone is ruining that for her. What happens then? How does that shape her? What exactly does the loss of innocence and childhood do to a person? I don't like her, but I respect where Martin is taking the character.

    Jon, on the other hand.......well, who doesn't love an underdog, slightly bad-boy with a heart of gold?

    I was team Robb... the Red Wedding was shattering. I sat there, jaw dropped, and unable to understand what had just happened.

    I was team Robb too. Till that. :sad:

    !!!!!!SPOILERSS!!!!!!

    I'm also a huge fan of Bran - can't wait to see what happens with him (even if he is stuck).
  • da_bears10089
    da_bears10089 Posts: 1,791 Member
    I hated her at first, because I really really hate whiny spineless characters. That's how she came across to me in the book, despite her young age. Arya is even younger and kickin' major booty.

    However, with the recent shift in the latest two books, I'm not quite so bothered by her. I'm firmly on Team Jon and Team Daenerys though.


    I could be on Team Daenerys if she would actually do something sometime soon! Too much wandering around in the desert for me.

    SPOILER ALERT
    Ugh, don't EVEN get me started on that. I want to punch George R. R. Martin in the face after the last book.. 5 books in, and she has her army, her dragons, and had done ........................... oh ... nothing really...

    GRR

    Exactly!

    Team Jon all the way though. By far my favorite character.

    The way I see it, Sansa represents an "innocent" perspective.....someone who still sees the world as good and the stuff of fairy tales. But everyone is ruining that for her. What happens then? How does that shape her? What exactly does the loss of innocence and childhood do to a person? I don't like her, but I respect where Martin is taking the character.

    Jon, on the other hand.......well, who doesn't love an underdog, slightly bad-boy with a heart of gold?

    I was team Robb... the Red Wedding was shattering. I sat there, jaw dropped, and unable to understand what had just happened.

    I was team Robb too. Till that. :sad:

    !!!!!!SPOILERSS!!!!!!

    I'm also a huge fan of Bran - can't wait to see what happens with him (even if he is stuck).

    I may or may not have a girl crush on Daenerys
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    I do have to say it was a bit awkward seeing Nymphadora Tonks naked. :tongue:

    Most jarring thing about the show so far!
  • firstsip
    firstsip Posts: 8,399 Member
    I hated her at first, because I really really hate whiny spineless characters. That's how she came across to me in the book, despite her young age. Arya is even younger and kickin' major booty.

    However, with the recent shift in the latest two books, I'm not quite so bothered by her. I'm firmly on Team Jon and Team Daenerys though.


    I could be on Team Daenerys if she would actually do something sometime soon! Too much wandering around in the desert for me.

    SPOILER ALERT
    Ugh, don't EVEN get me started on that. I want to punch George R. R. Martin in the face after the last book.. 5 books in, and she has her army, her dragons, and had done ........................... oh ... nothing really...

    GRR

    Exactly!

    Team Jon all the way though. By far my favorite character.

    The way I see it, Sansa represents an "innocent" perspective.....someone who still sees the world as good and the stuff of fairy tales. But everyone is ruining that for her. What happens then? How does that shape her? What exactly does the loss of innocence and childhood do to a person? I don't like her, but I respect where Martin is taking the character.

    Jon, on the other hand.......well, who doesn't love an underdog, slightly bad-boy with a heart of gold?

    I was team Robb... the Red Wedding was shattering. I sat there, jaw dropped, and unable to understand what had just happened.

    I was team Robb too. Till that. :sad:

    !!!!!!SPOILERSS!!!!!!

    I'm also a huge fan of Bran - can't wait to see what happens with him (even if he is stuck).

    I may or may not have a girl crush on Daenerys

    Too bad the show left out her girl-on-girl "experiment" :smokin:
  • da_bears10089
    da_bears10089 Posts: 1,791 Member

    Too bad the show left out her girl-on-girl "experiment" :smokin:

    That's the problem when you read a book, and then watch the movie or series afterwards. So many things have to get cut so they can fit it all into the season.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member

    Too bad the show left out her girl-on-girl "experiment" :smokin:

    That's the problem when you read a book, and then watch the movie or series afterwards. So many things have to get cut so they can fit it all into the season.
    I'm finding the changes interesting. They seem to also have added things that weren't in the books. But some of the additions, when paired with some book events that aren't in the show seem to give some new clues about some characters' actions and motives that aren't clear from just the books or just the show.
  • mrsjones2point0
    mrsjones2point0 Posts: 332 Member
    I hated her at first, because I really really hate whiny spineless characters. That's how she came across to me in the book, despite her young age. Arya is even younger and kickin' major booty.

    However, with the recent shift in the latest two books, I'm not quite so bothered by her. I'm firmly on Team Jon and Team Daenerys though.
    Firmly planted onTeam Daenerys! Dany's my girl!
  • mrsjones2point0
    mrsjones2point0 Posts: 332 Member

    I was team Robb... the Red Wedding was shattering. I sat there, jaw dropped, and unable to understand what had just happened.

    I think I'm one of the few people who loved the Red Wedding. Nothing against Robb, I liked him alright, and I loved Lady Caitlyn, (that was a blow, losing Arya's mother when she was so close, for me)! But I thought it was a pretty awesome way to off the characters. I hate the Frays, but it kinda made me like Tywin in a very sinister, root for the evil guy, kinda way. It was a brilliant play by him. . .
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member

    I was team Robb... the Red Wedding was shattering. I sat there, jaw dropped, and unable to understand what had just happened.

    I think I'm one of the few people who loved the Red Wedding. Nothing against Robb, I liked him alright, and I loved Lady Caitlyn, (that was a blow, losing Arya's mother when she was so close, for me)! But I thought it was a pretty awesome way to off the characters. I hate the Frays, but it kinda made me like Tywin in a very sinister, root for the evil guy, kinda way. It was a brilliant play by him. . .
    Catelyn annoys me.

    I'm assuming you haven't read the books. I haven't gotten that far in them, but I read the Wikis a lot and I'll just say you haven't seen the end of Catelyn. This story seems to get more and more bizarre and complex as it goes on.
  • mrsjones2point0
    mrsjones2point0 Posts: 332 Member

    I was team Robb... the Red Wedding was shattering. I sat there, jaw dropped, and unable to understand what had just happened.

    I think I'm one of the few people who loved the Red Wedding. Nothing against Robb, I liked him alright, and I loved Lady Caitlyn, (that was a blow, losing Arya's mother when she was so close, for me)! But I thought it was a pretty awesome way to off the characters. I hate the Frays, but it kinda made me like Tywin in a very sinister, root for the evil guy, kinda way. It was a brilliant play by him. . .
    Catelyn annoys me.

    I'm assuming you haven't read the books. I haven't gotten that far in them, but I read the Wikis a lot and I'll just say you haven't seen the end of Catelyn. This story seems to get more and more bizarre and complex as it goes on.

    I'm on book four, but only a third of the way in. . .kinda pissed nobody has died yet! Victarion just got to the Kingsmoot

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