NO MCDONALDS

those dirty fast food chains.

Oh lordy.

even a 6 inch sandwich is much larger a portion than most people should eat

Yeah, when I go to Subway and get a 6-inch double meat turkey sandwich for about 350 calories, I think "hot damn, this is more food than anyone should eat! 350 calories! I'm a glutton."

Good job! That's been a hard one for me too! Didn't this morning though!

You rock!!

YOU Rock too! Love the passer's by!!!

Stay away from Mcdonalds and hit up subway for them clean foods!

This is a joke, right?

Since you have made yourself blatantly clear that you refuse to celebrate or recognize the OP's accomplishment by taking the post completely off course, then perhaps you can find a new thread to argue in? The OP herself even mentioned how she wanted to commemorate how she passed up fast food a 2nd day. Yet you're too busy filling your ego with being right all the time and disproving everyone else. Is it quite possible that what works for you may not work for the OP or anyone else in here? What little esteem you must have with your 10% body fat if you truly need to make an argument about how someone can go from LOVING a food to completely hating it. Props for being an unnecessary evil.

it seems the narrative has changed. It has gone from fast food is evil, to Jonnythan is mean. I submit that both are false.

Not so fast. It is well known that I am not only a horrible person, but a big meanie as well. I help no one in any way, I am in the employ of every fast and junk food establishment in America, and kick puppies.

It's OK though. I'm apparently on the verge of death from metabolic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease, and cancer as a result of eating fast food regularly. Then no one will have to listen to me, and the clean eaters can dance on my grave. "Here lies jonnythan, big mean jerk killed dead by Doritos Locos Tacos."

i need mcdonalds.....

Not so fast. It is well known that I am not only a horrible person, but a big meanie as well. I help no one in any way, I am in the employ of every fast and junk food establishment in America, and kick puppies. ETA HijacKing every thread is my passion in life next to fast food. In fact I am eating a poptart gordita as I hijack this thread

FINALLY...You have posted something on which we can agree! ; ) Just teasing you with the add on....you serial posting fool you!

Subway is just like the rest of those dirty fast food chains.
They want you to think you're making the best choice but the truth is, even a 6 inch sandwich is much larger a portion than most people should eat. Add to that the sodium, sugar, processed meat etc... it ends up being close behind McDonald's food high fat, salt, calorie, sugar values http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/study-subway-healthier-mcdonald-article-1.1340434

This is why there is a debate. This is nonsense. If you dont want to eat fast food, dont. But dont try to convince others based on your own unhealthy relationship with food. Its not evil, its not more fattening, its just food. Period. If you dont like it, fine. I dont personally like Chinese food, but I drop into threads and call it evil, fattening etc.

But, "apparently", Chinese food IS evil. http://www.biblicalhorizons.com/miscellaneous/the-menace-of-chinese-food/

Jonny - the problem is that your rationale completely ignores food quality. While it's partially true that a calorie is a calorie, and protein is protein, a carb is a carb etc... There are gigantic differences between the food served at Mcdonald's vs. food you make at home. Maybe not in a Macro sense, but certainly in a micro sense.
Many people, myself included, believe there is more to food than just Macro content. IIFYM even contends that you also need to watch your fiber, and your sodium/potassium water balance.
I believe ingredients matter. I buy grass fed beef because I believe its nutritional profile is better than commercially raised beef. That has been proven true. I buy wild caught fish to avoid the chemicals used in farm raised fish. i try to avoid GMO's as much as possible. But I'm certainly not 100% on it.
I certainly don't think I'm better than you, and I certainly don't care to preach it at every single opportunity I have. In fact, I even congratulated you on your success.
But health is a broad term, and narrowing it down to a few categories doesnt do it justice.
In my opinion, and is just that, an OPINION. If the OP (and others) need to avoid it, for any reason, who are you to talk them out of it by steering them towards something that is not healthy (in the broadest sense of the term)?
I still stand by my previous posts that say there is better food out there than Mcdonald's and anyone would be better off avoiding it. Not because it's inherently evil, but because there are better options out there.

and you know, because science says so...

http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(13)00161-X/abstract

Darn straight about Subway. Look it up on their website. Scary!!!

Jonny - the problem is that your rationale completely ignores food quality. While it's partially true that a calorie is a calorie, and protein is protein, a carb is a carb etc... There are gigantic differences between the food served at Mcdonald's vs. food you make at home. Maybe not in a Macro sense, but certainly in a micro sense.
Many people, myself included, believe there is more to food than just Macro content. IIFYM even contends that you also need to watch your fiber, and your sodium/potassium water balance.
I believe ingredients matter. I buy grass fed beef because I believe its nutritional profile is better than commercially raised beef. That has been proven true. I buy wild caught fish to avoid the chemicals used in farm raised fish. i try to avoid GMO's as much as possible. But I'm certainly not 100% on it.
I certainly don't think I'm better than you, and I certainly don't care to preach it at every single opportunity I have. In fact, I even congratulated you on your success.
But health is a broad term, and narrowing it down to a few categories doesnt do it justice.
In my opinion, and is just that, an OPINION. If the OP (and others) need to avoid it, for any reason, who are you to talk them out of it by steering them towards something that is not healthy (in the broadest sense of the term)?
I still stand by my previous posts that say there is better food out there than Mcdonald's and anyone would be better off avoiding it. Not because it's inherently evil, but because there are better options out there.

and you know, because science says so...

http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(13)00161-X/abstract

The goal of all this, at least for me, isn't absolute nutritional perfection. It's about being healthy and helping people. No one is served by scaring people into thinking McDonald's food is "poison" or somehow going to injure them when it's not. When people like you convince people like kkerri that McDonald's is incompatible with health, you all too often get her kind of yoyo dieting.

Look, people love McDonald's. They love Taco Bell and they love Domino's and whatever. People like you convince them that they can't have these things while being healthy. You know what they usually do? Decide to get healthy, cut those things out of their lives, lose weight, and then eventually give in to their desires and feel like they failed their diet and failed themselves. They devolve back into their old eating habits because they never learned how to incorporate the foods they love into a healthy diet! Making people think that they have to cut out some of their favorite foods in order to be healthy is not sustainable for most people.

If you want to be as absolutely healthy as humanly possible and take absolutely no chances, then by all means skip the Quarter Pounder and eat grass-fed beef because it has a slightly different fat ratio. But look. There's seriously absolutely nothing inherently wrong with McDonald's food, or any other fast food, that requires people to totally eliminate it from their lives if they don't want to. It's 100% possible to be perfectly healthy, lose fat, be super active, etc., eating fast food multiple times a week. That's reality. There's nothing in there that's going to kill you if you eat it responsibly.

Excellent! The first day's the hardest. It gets easier. It really does.

AND THERE"S THE CAVEAT! self control and moderation... If most people on here could do that successfully, they wouldn't be here would they?
and "people like me"? what exactly are people like me? Are we resorting to attacking me again? or the argument? I don't give 2 rips what your personal opinion of me is, you are just some dude on a message board who likes to talk about how awesome he is.
I'll ask you again because you didnt answer, Who are you to piss all over someone else's accomplishment? Are you an expert? a nutritionist maybe? Or are you just some dude who lost some weight?
The OP accomplished something in their eyes, and you jumped all over them for it to "correct" their "unhealthy view" of food. Good job dude! Thank you for informing all of us about how wrong our views are. Im so glad MFP has you here to police the message boards to make sure we all keep some love for commercialized food!
I think it's perfectly clear to everyone because you mention it constantly, how great your cholesterol is and how much weight you've lost. But the fact is still this, you can lose weight and improve lipid scores on a diet of Twinkies, the proof is here:
http://calorielab.com/news/2010/11/20/twinkie-diet-results/
would you argue that this diet is healthy?
Based on your rationale it is, but I bet you are not willing to say that. Which again proves the point that food quality is important. and IIFYM isn't an all encompassing solution for everyone.

Well I did it this morning!!!! didn't stop at McDonalds!!! I am so excited. One goal I need to accomplish.

Good person! :drinker:

Stay away from Mcdonalds and hit up subway for them clean foods!

This is a joke, right?

Since you have made yourself blatantly clear that you refuse to celebrate or recognize the OP's accomplishment by taking the post completely off course, then perhaps you can find a new thread to argue in? The OP herself even mentioned how she wanted to commemorate how she passed up fast food a 2nd day. Yet you're too busy filling your ego with being right all the time and disproving everyone else. Is it quite possible that what works for you may not work for the OP or anyone else in here? What little esteem you must have with your 10% body fat if you truly need to make an argument about how someone can go from LOVING a food to completely hating it. Props for being an unnecessary evil.

it seems the narrative has changed. It has gone from fast food is evil, to Jonnythan is mean. I submit that both are false.

Not so fast. It is well known that I am not only a horrible person, but a big meanie as well. I help no one in any way, I am in the employ of every fast and junk food establishment in America, and kick puppies.

It's OK though. I'm apparently on the verge of death from metabolic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease, and cancer as a result of eating fast food regularly. Then no one will have to listen to me, and the clean eaters can dance on my grave. "Here lies jonnythan, big mean jerk killed dead by Doritos Locos Tacos."

Oh good, one less person to hog all the DLT's!

those dirty fast food chains.

Oh lordy.

even a 6 inch sandwich is much larger a portion than most people should eat

Yeah, when I go to Subway and get a 6-inch double meat turkey sandwich for about 350 calories, I think "hot damn, this is more food than anyone should eat! 350 calories! I'm a glutton."

Who is lying to you about 350 cals-not any of the websites I have frequented. The bread alone is close to that!

Congrats on meeting a goal you set.


It's not "poison" nor really bad. A 300 calories sandwich is not excessive for a meal. And yes they use real eggs, cheese and ham, the same you would buy at a store.

It's positive for the OP to avoid if McDonald's is her vice and derails her from losing weight, but McDonald's is hardly poison.

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I highly disagree, but each to their own. You eat McD's everyday and I'll eat fresh foods from the farmers markets everyday and we'll see who dies first.

Thank you, I highly disagree too, the stuff they inject in that so called meat is deplorable at best, obviously someone hasn't done their homework-I call this place, mc dead animals and burger king is called murder king ha ha-helps me stay far far away!

Stuff they inject in the meat?

You know the ingredients of a McDonald's hamburger patty are, right? They are: ground beef. That's it. They put some salt and pepper on at the grill.

"McDead Animals" is very clever. I never knew they made food out of dead animals. That's horrifying.