I ATE PIZZA AND ICE CREAM BED, WOKE UP LESS FAT

...or this is why you're down 11 pounds and not down 13.


you look at it as "victory i didn't gain weight"

i look at it as lost progress.

Negative, people fail with diets cause of one two things.

1) They set their deficit so low that their BMR shoots way down. When they resume a "normal" diet, their body has trouble adjusting and their weight shoots right back to where they were.

How to Solve: CKD, which boosts leptin levels sufficiently to keep your motor high. Do a small deficit at around 10-20% max. Anymore your setting yourself for failure when recomping.

2) They can't control their cravings and "bing out". Their diet feels like a "trap".

How to Solve: Go on Keto. Cut out the carbs / sugars. It will stave off hunger since you have a stable blood sugar. A good diet is a diet you love without having those cravings.

BTW: Why do you think people recommend vegetables? Because it FILLS YOU UP. 2 huge containers of green giant steamed brocolli has the same amount of calories as one MCDS HAMBURGER. You physically cannot be hungry if you chow down on your veggies all day, cause your stomach is filled to max. Another nice Body Hack.

Also a lot of clueless people tend to fill their "Healthy Salad" with real crappy salad dressing that just negates the whole point of eating a salad (to put filler space on your stomach).

Salt and Pepper + Steamed Veggies. Then use that excess for delicious meat / fat prodcts.


Unfortunately, the world isn't so black and white. People fail at diets for many reasons, you named 2 of many. Physical health, mental health and realtionship with food, among other things, can't be solved by "CKD" or just going "Keto". Also, a good diet isn't a diet you love without the cravings. A good diet is a diet that can be sustained over your lifetime. A good diet is a diet where you can satisfy your cravings, while not sabotaging your goals. What the OP is getting at is that there is more than one way to achieve your lifestyle goals. You don't have to eat 100% "clean" foods to see results. To each his/her own, but there are many ways to live a "healthy" lifestyle.

Also, while eating a bunch of vegetables might make you feel full, that is not the reason to eat them. Satisfying micro-nutrient goals, overall health and well being are more important that "feeling full". And while you might not be hungry after "chowing down" on vegetables all day, I personally need loads of protein and carbs to feel "full". But that's just me. It doesn't mean everyone else is the same.

Lastly, you mention body fat %, almost as if somone's views or beliefs aren't valid unless they are sub 20%? Where did you arrive at this magical number? So someone under 20% knows more than someone over 20%? What is your bf% Looking at your pics, I think I am much lower than you. Does that mean I should totally disregard your post?

...or this is why you're down 11 pounds and not down 13.


you look at it as "victory i didn't gain weight"

i look at it as lost progress.

He was under his calorie target. For pure weight loss, he stayed on track. So no lost progress.

That's just a philosophy for lazy people. Eat correctly and you will get better results. Rationalizing it in this manner doesn't contribute to a lifestyle change.

Rushing to eat a pizza and ice cream when you're so tired that you can fall asleep in 15 minutes. That's not even hunger, that's just being mentally weak. Boasting about it makes me certain you won't even succeed.

Why on earth would you eat such garbage food when you've admitted you need to lose weight. It'd be like buying a $2000 tv when you're severely in debt, why needlessly add to it?

Why be content at 11lbs lost and then eat pizza/ice cream when you could have had a salad or something light and be at 12/13lbs lost.

He said, defiantly.

That's great for you. Some people don't want to eat pizza and ice cream, because it doesn't work for them.

Does that fact somehow affect YOUR life?

It doesn't affect my life because I know the truth. Pizza, ice cream, iguana sticks, etc may not work for some people due to a medical condition such as diabetes. However, if you are free from disease (And most of you are. Your thyroid is fine.) then it's all about the caloric deficit.

I take offense to people peddling arugula salads and spirulina tonics as the way to "be healthy" and lose weight. Desperate people arrive on forums like this and are told that hamburgers are fattening and they should only eat pancakes once and a while , which sets them up for failure.

Maybe he worked a long day and had just gotten home so he ate a nice little pizza and an ice cream bar. Screw off rude ****s.

Negative, people fail with diets cause of one two things.

1) They set their deficit so low that their BMR shoots way down. When they resume a "normal" diet, their body has trouble adjusting and their weight shoots right back to where they were.

How to Solve: CKD, which boosts leptin levels sufficiently to keep your motor high. Do a small deficit at around 10-20% max. Anymore your setting yourself for failure when recomping.

2) They can't control their cravings and "bing out". Their diet feels like a "trap".

How to Solve: Go on Keto. Cut out the carbs / sugars. It will stave off hunger since you have a stable blood sugar. A good diet is a diet you love without having those cravings.

BTW: Why do you think people recommend vegetables? Because it FILLS YOU UP. 2 huge containers of green giant steamed brocolli has the same amount of calories as one MCDS HAMBURGER. You physically cannot be hungry if you chow down on your veggies all day, cause your stomach is filled to max. Another nice Body Hack.

Also a lot of clueless people tend to fill their "Healthy Salad" with real crappy salad dressing that just negates the whole point of eating a salad (to put filler space on your stomach).

Salt and Pepper + Steamed Veggies. Then use that excess for delicious meat / fat prodcts.


Unfortunately, the world isn't so black and white. People fail at diets for many reasons, you named 2 of many. Physical health, mental health and realtionship with food, among other things, can't be solved by "CKD" or just going "Keto". Also, a good diet isn't a diet you love without the cravings. A good diet is a diet that can be sustained over your lifetime. A good diet is a diet where you can satisfy your cravings, while not sabotaging your goals. What the OP is getting at is that there is more than one way to achieve your lifestyle goals. You don't have to eat 100% "clean" foods to see results. To each his/her own, but there are many ways to live a "healthy" lifestyle.

Also, while eating a bunch of vegetables might make you feel full, that is not the reason to eat them. Satisfying micro-nutrient goals, overall health and well being are more important that "feeling full". And while you might not be hungry after "chowing down" on vegetables all day, I personally need loads of protein and carbs to feel "full". But that's just me. It doesn't mean everyone else is the same.

Lastly, you mention body fat %, almost as if somone's views or beliefs aren't valid unless they are sub 20%? Where did you arrive at this magical number? So someone under 20% knows more than someone over 20%? What is your bf% Looking at your pics, I think I am much lower than you. Does that mean I should totally disregard your post?

Why be content at 11lbs lost and then eat pizza/ice cream when you could have had a salad or something light and be at 12/13lbs lost.

Because if I ate a light salad I'd be at near 50% below my TDEE. I ate the Pizza and Ice cream to stay at around -30% TDEE.

Its called using a notebook and inputting at the end of the day:

Hint: I think he's talking more about your 'failure to log a lot of days period' not that you have nothing in for today.

Also a lot of clueless people tend to fill their "Healthy Salad" with real crappy salad dressing that just negates the whole point of eating a salad (to put filler space on your stomach).

That is the whole point of eating a salad? Oh, no! : (

All this time I thought I was eating salads because they are delicious and packed with a variety of nutrients.

Disappointed not to learn what an ice cream bed is.

Also a lot of clueless people tend to fill their "Healthy Salad" with real crappy salad dressing that just negates the whole point of eating a salad (to put filler space on your stomach).

That is the whole point of eating a salad? Oh, no! : (

All this time I thought I was eating salads because they are delicious and packed with a variety of nutrients.

I wish I had your taste buds. I dose my veggies with tabasco / siracha / salt & pepper and stuff it down. Although hot sauce makes anything taste good .

what about nutrition?

That doesn't factor in with a lot of the people in the General Diet and Weight Loss Help and Food and Nutrition forums on mfp. If you eat garbage and lose weight you're doing it right, regardless of what havoc it may doing to other facets of your health. You will get flamed mercilessly for being concerned about your overall health vs. dropping a pound or two.