I ATE PIZZA AND ICE CREAM BED, WOKE UP LESS FAT

Maybe he worked a long day and had just gotten home so he ate a nice little pizza and an ice cream bar. Screw off rude ****s.

Rationalizing poor decisions is how people fail. It's a lifestyle change, it's not a "diet" it's not eating healthy "For now" it's not working out "for now". It's a full new lifestyle...boasting about failing is the most silly thing in the world.

I've gone from 285 to about 200 right now in the past 3 years, i feel like i have a decent context to this.

I think that is reasonable and sound advice. I think yeah maybe we can get away with eating something fattening, but not to make it a lifestyle. We are here though to make better choices, what is best fuel for our body, not to see what we can get away with, i think if we are doing that - we are still letting food control us...and eating for other reasons other than nutrition.

i do not recommend someone's anecdotal situation as a rationale for everyone being able to do it or that "this works for me so it must work for you". i can see the OP's point about "if you eat a piece of something, dont feel like you've blown it (all or nothing thinking); but I do not on the other hand recommend it as "yes you must fit these foods in to have a succcessful weight loss).

everyone is different, so i think we must follow our own path, what works best for us, if we take someone's advice, if it does not work for us, then we have to throw it in the circular file (trash).

I challenge someone to eat 30 days of caloric deficit in only fast food and get a blood test. A dieters version of Super size Me.

I did for three months and lost just over 60 lbs, I ate only food that came from fast food places and deliberately ate foods that couldn't be considered "moderately healthy" (just to prove someone like you wrong that I worked with.) My BP was 15/4 lower from star to finish (it wasn't real high to begin with though, low bp runs in my family), my triglycerides went from 181(it might have been 187, i don't remember) which was "concerning" to the doctor to 147 which he said he'd like to see me continue to lower, but no longer was in the danger zone.

I've seen near that same degree of change losing 60lbs from 300ish to 250ish on atkins, caloric deficit, strictly fast food, nothing but salads (and not ones loaded with crap), raw diet, etc...

Lets not forget the backlash from supersize me (if you eat 5k calories a day and don't exercise, shocking your health goes to the crapper) where dozens and dozens of people went on fast food diets and lost significant weight, bettered their triglycerides/cholesterol numbers, and lowered their blood pressure. You have seen the "fast food diet" right? If you're going to make an unfounded assertion at least run it past google first. Frankly, anyone who gains 25lbs in a month is going to see a huge deterioration in their health and blood panel numbers. No shock that this was the case in supersizeme... if you want to see the other side, documented on youtube-- Me & Mickey D's (same eating restrictions as supersizeme, but didn't go 5k calories crazy and continued to exercise)... 30 days, 20lbs, 90 days 30 lbs. I quote from her own post: "Ms. Whaley enjoyed such wonderful success using this diet that she returned to the Golden Arches diet 5 more times over a period of two years, eventually losing 45 pounds and lowering her cholesterol from 237 to 172, all without medications or supplements of any sort."

Health aside, deficit makes weightless. Not some perfect ratio of macros or quality of the food.

does posting irrelevant pictures do something for u? bc it's not doing anything for anyone else.

Tates like rats.

...or this is why you're down 11 pounds and not down 13.


you look at it as "victory i didn't gain weight"

i look at it as lost progress.

He was under his calorie target. For pure weight loss, he stayed on track. So no lost progress.

That's just a philosophy for lazy people. Eat correctly and you will get better results. Rationalizing it in this manner doesn't contribute to a lifestyle change.

Rushing to eat a pizza and ice cream when you're so tired that you can fall asleep in 15 minutes. That's not even hunger, that's just being mentally weak. Boasting about it makes me certain you won't even succeed.

Why on earth would you eat such garbage food when you've admitted you need to lose weight. It'd be like buying a $2000 tv when you're severely in debt, why needlessly add to it?

Why be content at 11lbs lost and then eat pizza/ice cream when you could have had a salad or something light and be at 12/13lbs lost.

Nicely said, valid point.

...or this is why you're down 11 pounds and not down 13.


you look at it as "victory i didn't gain weight"

i look at it as lost progress.

He was under his calorie target. For pure weight loss, he stayed on track. So no lost progress.

That's just a philosophy for lazy people. Eat correctly and you will get better results. Rationalizing it in this manner doesn't contribute to a lifestyle change.

Rushing to eat a pizza and ice cream when you're so tired that you can fall asleep in 15 minutes. That's not even hunger, that's just being mentally weak. Boasting about it makes me certain you won't even succeed.

Why on earth would you eat such garbage food when you've admitted you need to lose weight. It'd be like buying a $2000 tv when you're severely in debt, why needlessly add to it?

Why be content at 11lbs lost and then eat pizza/ice cream when you could have had a salad or something light and be at 12/13lbs lost.

Nicely said, valid point.

Are we racing? Nobody told me. And I can assure you that every time I lost weight in the past, there was no little trophy or medal at the end.

Maybe because pizza or ice cream every so often makes the journey enjoyable and possible to sustain, rather than a grueling marathon to be endured or possibly not able to be endured?

He said, defiantly.

That's great for you. Some people don't want to eat pizza and ice cream, because it doesn't work for them.

Does that fact somehow affect YOUR life?

It doesn't affect my life because I know the truth. Pizza, ice cream, iguana sticks, etc may not work for some people due to a medical condition such as diabetes. However, if you are free from disease (And most of you are. Your thyroid is fine.) then it's all about the caloric deficit.

I take offense to people peddling arugula salads and spirulina tonics as the way to "be healthy" and lose weight. Desperate people arrive on forums like this and are told that hamburgers are fattening and they should only eat pancakes once and a while , which sets them up for failure.

So, been on MFP 27 months. Lost 11 lbs eating pizza, cheeseburgers and ice cream. Hates baby carrots. Hates people who EAT baby carrots. Lost one pound of fat overnight after eating frozen pizza and ice cream bed. Any other facts we need to know?

Thank you ALL for cheering me up today. This is some funny stuff.

You can eat whatever you want and still lose weight, providing there is a reasonable deficit. However, you can't eat whatever you want and still remain healthy. I find that often people can't distinguish between the two.

It's different for most women. Especially women over 40ish. Once you hit 47 if you aren't exercising you aren't losing. I have been tiny all my life. 25 pounds later( .. and I was eating very healthfully and doing moderate exercise while gaining) I am running and still not losing. It's different for everyone but it's a proven fact that men have a much easier time losing than women. <just sayin! >

Haha. Title POST FTW !!!!!!

If you lost 4 lb sorry your weren't doing it right. I can't explain it, might want to get a blood test and see if any irregularities show up. Did you get a DEXA scan before you started to get an accurate LBM? Most people wildly underestimate their body fat, thus screwing up their macros.

IE. I thought I was 17% more like 23% when I started. Imagine putting your macros based off 17%, no fat loss at all.

I was eating 2000 cals thinking that was enough to cut, no an accurate count was 1600 + PWO. And I run on top of that with +500 burn 5-6 days a week. With this combo I am still going at 0.75 lb a week consistent loss with very low loss on muscle strength (AllPros Lifting Cycle 3).

It has been proven that an anabolic diet is not optimal for muscle gain.

Again for girls it probably doesn't matter at all depending on their goals, but for guys an anabolic diet is great for cutting real crap at bulking.

In Keto you are suppose to compliment your stomach cravings with tons of veggies, aka broccoli and company. That's how you stave off hunger, you physically can't stuff more into your stomach + stable sugar levels. (In my experience anyways).

Keto is definately not for everyone. Its a lifestyle change. Its for people who have discipline, wont cheat, and stick to it. But everyone should give it a shot and see if it works for them. Evidently it didn't work for you.

I stand by keto is the most EFFICIENT way to lose weight without losing LBM (aka muscle mass is a keto cut). Then again if your just looking to be skinny fat then any low cal diet will do.

I plan on tossing out keto once I start bulking.

There must be some meaning of "compliment" with which I am unfamiliar. Please to explain.

So, are you saying that I did not change my lifestyle? That perhaps I didn't eat all kinds of vegetables and meat (they called me "The Spinach Assassin"!)? That I wasn't lifting heavy several times a week and doing HIIT cardio? That I was skinny fat? I'm not sure what it is that you're suggesting was my failing, since there is no way it could be that I complied with the lifestyle, but it just did not agree with my body and brain chemistry. :huh:

I also lost a whopping 4 frackin' pounds during the whole fiasco. It was SOOOO efficient.

Listen, I'm not trying to say it isn't really good for some people. The science behind it makes sense to me. I WANT it to work for me. But I never got the results that were promised, and continuing to do the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

If it's so great anyway, why are you scrapping it when you start bulking? Why not just use the MANS diet or some other low-carb anabolic diet?

Disappointed not to learn what an ice cream bed is.

Seriously let down. =(

You have issues. Get Help. That is all.

Did you get a DEXA scan before you started to get an accurate LBM?

Twice. I also got my RMR tested. (I have access to a major research and athletics university's sports labs) I get my blood tested quite regularly. My thyroid was fine, my HDL is greater than my LDL and total cholesterol is lower than most people's LDL. Not medicated, I just appear to have the gene for very low cholesterol.

But that is clearly not relevant since it must be me that did it wrong, or it would have worked for me. That, sir, is what we call "begging the question."

Fortunately for me, I am not a girl, I am a woman, so your statement doesn't apply to me. Besides, I am making a very, very narrow statement about what applies to me in my N=1 experiment. I am not making any general claims at all. However, I just remembered that you frequently make general claims without backing them up with peer-reviewed published journal articles. Anyway, I just made a n00b mistake, because I forgot that I had previously ignored you.

Good day to you.

what about nutrition?

That doesn't factor in with a lot of the people in the General Diet and Weight Loss Help and Food and Nutrition forums on mfp. If you eat garbage and lose weight you're doing it right, regardless of what havoc it may doing to other facets of your health. You will get flamed mercilessly for being concerned about your overall health vs. dropping a pound or two.

It's truly a crazy phenomenon, isn't it? There's so much defiance from those that eat junk food and lose weight, that those of us that try to eat healthy (most of the time) are doing something 'wrong.' Yes, my thyroid is fine. Yes, I understand that calorie deficit is king, and I can get that eating cheeseburgers and pizza every day. But I'm trying to do more than just lose weight, and since I think it's important to be healthy (which includes being at a healthy weight, but is more than just tha), that's what I would advocate for others if they asked for my advice. If they choose to do it on a steady diet of McDonalds and Burger King, then great for them. I just can't recommend it with a good conscious - that's how I got fat, and I'm sure what contributed to my dad being obese, and my mom (not obese) having a heart attack and stroke before age 50.

what about nutrition?

That doesn't factor in with a lot of the people in the General Diet and Weight Loss Help and Food and Nutrition forums on mfp. If you eat garbage and lose weight you're doing it right, regardless of what havoc it may doing to other facets of your health. You will get flamed mercilessly for being concerned about your overall health vs. dropping a pound or two.

It's truly a crazy phenomenon, isn't it? There's so much defiance from those that eat junk food and lose weight, that those of us that try to eat healthy (most of the time) are doing something 'wrong.' Yes, my thyroid is fine. Yes, I understand that calorie deficit is king, and I can get that eating cheeseburgers and pizza every day. But I'm trying to do more than just lose weight, and since I think it's important to be healthy (which includes being at a healthy weight, but is more than just tha), that's what I would advocate for others if they asked for my advice. If they choose to do it on a steady diet of McDonalds and Burger King, then great for them. I just can't recommend it with a good conscious - that's how I got fat, and I'm sure what contributed to my dad being obese, and my mom (not obese) having a heart attack and stroke before age 50.

Proof? Or simply baseless conjecture?