Calling all "Clean Eaters"

I'm sorry, but you're ignorant about our food supply. After being diagnosed with cancer you're given a list of ingredients to avoid and encouraged to limit processed food. This isn't brain surgery. There are tons of nonbiased resources available to learn about additives. Or keep the blinders on.

Go feed your kids a lunchable. Mine are eating real food.

My mil just got finished with radiation (thankfully no chemo at this point), and her oncologist did give her a new diet to follow, which severely limits meat and processed foods- that was really interesting to me as I've also been reading about nutrition and how it relates to cancer/prevention (I have a huge family history of cancers so I'm on a quest to stack the odds in my favor as much as possible). My sil is also heading in that direction with her own diet, as she's dealt with life long digestion/low weight issues and is now working with a chiropractor/nutritionist. She's also had several benign tumors removed and is considered high risk for cancer with her own family history. The three of us, coming from totally different food/diet backgrounds, are now focusing on a whole foods, plant based diet. It's been a big help doing it with others I know in real life

The only supplements I take is a Vitamin D tablet and a Fish Oil capsule. Last time I had blood work done the doctor told me I needed to start taking Vitamin D and then last week when I told her I was going to try being a vegetarian for a few months, she told me to take a Fish Oil capsule to help me get my omega fatty acids.

I haven't really heard much about bee pollen, what is it supposed to do?

Can't you just drink milk?

Milk is not clean eating. Humans are not technically supposed to drink milk past their infancy, let alone steal the milk from another mammal and drink it. Milk gets most of its vitamin D from supplements added to it anyway, so it's better to cut out the extra calories, the huge amounts of pus, and the fat and just take the vitamin. If you want to avoid cholesterol, fat, and drinking pus, avoid animal milk. I highly suggest almond milk.

Where'd you get that nonsense?

The only supplement I take is apple cider vinegar. I don't even take vitamins. Not one vitamin deficiency.

The only supplements I take is a Vitamin D tablet and a Fish Oil capsule. Last time I had blood work done the doctor told me I needed to start taking Vitamin D and then last week when I told her I was going to try being a vegetarian for a few months, she told me to take a Fish Oil capsule to help me get my omega fatty acids.

I haven't really heard much about bee pollen, what is it supposed to do?

Can't you just drink milk?

Milk is not clean eating. Humans are not technically supposed to drink milk past their infancy, let alone steal the milk from another mammal and drink it. Milk gets most of its vitamin D from supplements added to it anyway, so it's better to cut out the extra calories, the huge amounts of pus, and the fat and just take the vitamin. If you want to avoid cholesterol, fat, and drinking pus, avoid animal milk. I highly suggest almond milk.

Where'd you get that nonsense?

Nonsense? Google it. Go to any website that allows access to SCHOLARLY PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC STUDIES that PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that mammals (humans included!) should not drink milk past our infancy! There's a reason that no other mammals drink milk past the age of infancy! It's not natural, not necessary for health, and even BAD FOR YOU. Milk is packed with hormones that, while helpful for children, are terrible for adults, especially adult women. Here is one of the MANY articles that outline why milk is not necessary. GO ASK A NUTRITIONIST. They will tell you that milk is not healthy, nor is it necessary.

These are just a few of the hundreds of articles outlining why milk is terrible for you:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/WellnessNews/story?id=8450036
http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/dairy_products/index.php
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/health-concerns-about-dairy-products
http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

The only supplements I take is a Vitamin D tablet and a Fish Oil capsule. Last time I had blood work done the doctor told me I needed to start taking Vitamin D and then last week when I told her I was going to try being a vegetarian for a few months, she told me to take a Fish Oil capsule to help me get my omega fatty acids.

I haven't really heard much about bee pollen, what is it supposed to do?

Can't you just drink milk?

Milk is not clean eating. Humans are not technically supposed to drink milk past their infancy, let alone steal the milk from another mammal and drink it. Milk gets most of its vitamin D from supplements added to it anyway, so it's better to cut out the extra calories, the huge amounts of pus, and the fat and just take the vitamin. If you want to avoid cholesterol, fat, and drinking pus, avoid animal milk. I highly suggest almond milk.

Aaaaaand where was this regurgitated from?

Milk is not clean eating. Humans are not technically supposed to drink milk past their infancy, let alone steal the milk from another mammal and drink it. Milk gets most of its vitamin D from supplements added to it anyway, so it's better to cut out the extra calories, the huge amounts of pus, and the fat and just take the vitamin. If you want to avoid cholesterol, fat, and drinking pus, avoid animal milk. I highly suggest almond milk.

Says who?

Google it. Go to any website that allows access to SCHOLARLY PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC STUDIES that PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that mammals (humans included!) should not drink milk past our infancy! There's a reason that no other mammals drink milk past the age of infancy! It's not natural, not necessary for health, and even BAD FOR YOU. Milk is packed with hormones that, while helpful for children, are terrible for adults, especially adult women. Here is one of the MANY articles that outline why milk is not necessary. GO ASK A NUTRITIONIST. They will tell you that milk is not healthy, nor is it necessary.

These are just a few of the hundreds of articles outlining why milk is terrible for you:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/WellnessNews/story?id=8450036
http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/dairy_products/index.php
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/health-concerns-about-dairy-products
http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

What the fu.......:huh: is going on here?

Milk shouldn't be consumed past infancy? Milk is bad for you? and you are talking about peer-reviewed articles to back up that claim? But then don't post any of those articles?

And to note....no scientific study can fully prove anything, there will always be extraneous variables that cannot be controlled, but critical thinking is well......critical when making such a claim.

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SCHOLARLY PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC STUDIES that PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that mammals (humans included!) should not drink milk past our infancy!

I suspect you've never read a peer-reviewed scientific article in your life. There are no articles that meet this description.

Lol. I am glad you bring this up, as I am very lucky to have access to some great databases. I don't know whether you have access to EBSCO or JSTOR or what have it, but here are a few APA links to some SCHOLARLY, PEER REVIEWED articles outlining links to milk and iron deficiency, prostate cancer, and other adverse effects of drinking cow's milk.

Harris, R. (2002). Is milk best for infants and toddlers?. Journal Of Nutritional & Environmental Medicine, 12(3), 145-151.

Ziegler, E. (2011). Consumption of cow's milk as a cause of iron deficiency in infants and toddlers. Nutrition Reviews, 69S37-S42. doi:10.1111/j.1753-4887.2011.00431.x

Melnik, B. C., Malte John, S., Carrera-Bastos, P., & Cordain, L. (2012). The impact of cow´s milk-mediated mTORC1-signaling in the initiation and progression of prostate cancer. Nutrition & Metabolism, 9(1), 74-93.

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The only supplements I take is a Vitamin D tablet and a Fish Oil capsule. Last time I had blood work done the doctor told me I needed to start taking Vitamin D and then last week when I told her I was going to try being a vegetarian for a few months, she told me to take a Fish Oil capsule to help me get my omega fatty acids.

I haven't really heard much about bee pollen, what is it supposed to do?

Can't you just drink milk?

Milk is not clean eating. Humans are not technically supposed to drink milk past their infancy, let alone steal the milk from another mammal and drink it. Milk gets most of its vitamin D from supplements added to it anyway, so it's better to cut out the extra calories, the huge amounts of pus, and the fat and just take the vitamin. If you want to avoid cholesterol, fat, and drinking pus, avoid animal milk. I highly suggest almond milk.

Says who?

Google it. Go to any website that allows access to SCHOLARLY PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC STUDIES that PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that mammals (humans included!) should not drink milk past our infancy! There's a reason that no other mammals drink milk past the age of infancy! It's not natural, not necessary for health, and even BAD FOR YOU. Milk is packed with hormones that, while helpful for children, are terrible for adults, especially adult women. Here is one of the MANY articles that outline why milk is not necessary. GO ASK A NUTRITIONIST. They will tell you that milk is not healthy, nor is it necessary.

These are just a few of the hundreds of articles outlining why milk is terrible for you:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/WellnessNews/story?id=8450036
http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/dairy_products/index.php
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/health-concerns-about-dairy-products
http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

None of those "sources" are scientific peer reviewed studies. They are editorial articles. Do you even read the links you post?

From the menshealth article you posted:

However, as a nutritionist, I've found that most men thrive on milk, whether their goal is to lose fat or build muscle. So to be sure it's safe, I've investigated all the anti-milk claims, sifting through the research while also turning a critical eye to pro-milk propaganda. After all, the only agenda I have is my clients' health. The result: all your milk questions, answered.

Read more: http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/dairy_products/index.php#ixzz2ZuKpjg

Do Hormones Make Milk Unhealthy?

Not unless you're injecting the milk. Here's the full story: In 1993 the FDA approved the use of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) in cattle. This practice resulted in greater milk production at less cost to the dairy farmer, a savings that has been passed on to you at your local supermarket. But it has also sparked much controversy, because rBGH boosts milk's concentration of insulin-like growth factor (IGF), a hormone that's been linked to cancer.

Unlike steroid hormones, which can be taken orally, rBGH and IGF must be injected to have any effect. That's because the process of digestion destroys these "protein" hormones. So drinking milk from hormone-treated cows doesn't transfer the active form of these chemicals to your body. However, there is one ethical downside to consider: It's not good for the cows. Canadian researchers discovered that cows given hormones are more likely to contract an udder infection called mastitis.

What About Antibiotics?

No one really knows. Some scientists argue that milk from cows given antibiotics leads to antibiotic resistance in humans, making these types of drugs less effective when you take them for an infection. But this finding has never been proved.

I believe that's strike 1,2, & 3. You clearly do not know what a scientific peer reviewed study is, that's clear.

I wasn't claiming that those were peer reviewed studies, just articles. Milk may be great for men who are trying to gain muscle, but I don't believe it is beneficial otherwise. It has been linked to acne, asthma, and high birth weight. Here are the APA links, if you need them:

Mai, X. M., Becker, A. B., Sellers, E. C., Liem, J. J., & Kozyrskyj, A. L. (2007). Infrequent milk consumption plus being overweight may have great risk for asthma in girls. Allergy, 62(11), 1295-1301. doi:10.1111/j.1398-9995.2007.01491.x

Olsen, S., Halldorsson, T., Willett, W., Knudsen, V., Gillman, M., Mikkelsen, T., & Olsen, J. (2007). Milk consumption during pregnancy is associated with increased infant size at birth: prospective cohort study. The American Journal Of Clinical Nutrition, 86(4), 1104-1110.

Melnik, B. C., & Schmitz, G. (2009). Role of insulin, insulin-like growth factor-1, hyperglycaemic food and milk consumption in the pathogenesis of acne vulgaris. Experimental Dermatology, 18(10), 833-841. doi:10.1111/j.1600-0625.2009.00924.x

Mai, X. M., Becker, A. B., Sellers, E. C., Liem, J. J., & Kozyrskyj, A. L. (2007). Infrequent milk consumption plus being overweight may have great risk for asthma in girls. Allergy, 62(11), 1295-1301. doi:10.1111/j.1398-9995.2007.01491.x

So this one states that in over weight girls (with BMI >85th percentile) that already have asthma milk may increase risk of an asthma attack. Sound the alarms.

Olsen, S., Halldorsson, T., Willett, W., Knudsen, V., Gillman, M., Mikkelsen, T., & Olsen, J. (2007). Milk consumption during pregnancy is associated with increased infant size at birth: prospective cohort study. The American Journal Of Clinical Nutrition, 86(4), 1104-1110.

This one states that women who drink more than 6 glasses of Milk a day while in pregnancy was associated with higher birth weight for gestational age, lower risk of SGA (small-for gestational age, a bad thing), and higher risk of LGA (large-for-gestational age, not regarded as a bad thing). Where's the problem here? Not to mention that's a crap-ton of milk.

Melnik, B. C., & Schmitz, G. (2009). Role of insulin, insulin-like growth factor-1, hyperglycaemic food and milk consumption in the pathogenesis of acne vulgaris. Experimental Dermatology, 18(10), 833-841. doi:10.1111/j.1600-0625.2009.00924.x

Abstract:
It is the purpose of this viewpoint article to delineate the regulatory network of growth hormone (GH), insulin, and insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) signalling during puberty, associated hormonal changes in adrenal and gonadal androgen metabolism, and the impact of dietary factors and smoking involved in the pathogenesis of acne. The key regulator IGF-1 rises during puberty by the action of increased GH secretion and correlates well with the clinical course of acne. In acne patients, associations between serum levels of IGF-1, dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate, dihydrotestosterone, acne lesion counts and facial sebum secretion rate have been reported. IGF-1 stimulates 5alpha-reductase, adrenal and gonadal androgen synthesis, androgen receptor signal transduction, sebocyte proliferation and lipogenesis. Milk consumption results in a significant increase in insulin and IGF-1 serum levels comparable with high glycaemic food. Insulin induces hepatic IGF-1 secretion, and both hormones amplify the stimulatory effect of GH on sebocytes and augment mitogenic downstream signalling pathways of insulin receptors, IGF-1 receptor and fibroblast growth factor receptor-2b. Acne is proposed to be an IGF-1-mediated disease, modified by diets and smoking increasing insulin/IGF1-signalling. Metformin treatment, and diets low in milk protein content and glycaemic index reduce increased IGF-1 signalling. Persistent acne in adulthood with high IGF-1 levels may be considered as an indicator for increased risk of cancer, which may require appropriate dietary intervention as well as treatment with insulin-sensitizing agents.

I don't even know where to begin with this one. I hope you don't eat any high GI foods, according to this study they have the same affect. This is an insulin study that happend to use milk instead of say...bread or fruit.

Again, did you even read these? You also still haven't proven a single one of your initial claims. I particularily love the infancy claim. You're not very good at this.

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The only supplements I take is a Vitamin D tablet and a Fish Oil capsule. Last time I had blood work done the doctor told me I needed to start taking Vitamin D and then last week when I told her I was going to try being a vegetarian for a few months, she told me to take a Fish Oil capsule to help me get my omega fatty acids.

I haven't really heard much about bee pollen, what is it supposed to do?

Can't you just drink milk?

Milk is not clean eating. Humans are not technically supposed to drink milk past their infancy, let alone steal the milk from another mammal and drink it. Milk gets most of its vitamin D from supplements added to it anyway, so it's better to cut out the extra calories, the huge amounts of pus, and the fat and just take the vitamin. If you want to avoid cholesterol, fat, and drinking pus, avoid animal milk. I highly suggest almond milk.

Says who?

Google it. Go to any website that allows access to SCHOLARLY PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC STUDIES that PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that mammals (humans included!) should not drink milk past our infancy! There's a reason that no other mammals drink milk past the age of infancy! It's not natural, not necessary for health, and even BAD FOR YOU. Milk is packed with hormones that, while helpful for children, are terrible for adults, especially adult women. Here is one of the MANY articles that outline why milk is not necessary. GO ASK A NUTRITIONIST. They will tell you that milk is not healthy, nor is it necessary.

These are just a few of the hundreds of articles outlining why milk is terrible for you:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/WellnessNews/story?id=8450036
http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/dairy_products/index.php
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/health-concerns-about-dairy-products
http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

None of those "sources" are scientific peer reviewed studies. They are editorial articles. Do you even read the links you post?

From the menshealth article you posted:

However, as a nutritionist, I've found that most men thrive on milk, whether their goal is to lose fat or build muscle. So to be sure it's safe, I've investigated all the anti-milk claims, sifting through the research while also turning a critical eye to pro-milk propaganda. After all, the only agenda I have is my clients' health. The result: all your milk questions, answered.

Read more: http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/dairy_products/index.php#ixzz2ZuKpjg

Do Hormones Make Milk Unhealthy?

Not unless you're injecting the milk. Here's the full story: In 1993 the FDA approved the use of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) in cattle. This practice resulted in greater milk production at less cost to the dairy farmer, a savings that has been passed on to you at your local supermarket. But it has also sparked much controversy, because rBGH boosts milk's concentration of insulin-like growth factor (IGF), a hormone that's been linked to cancer.

Unlike steroid hormones, which can be taken orally, rBGH and IGF must be injected to have any effect. That's because the process of digestion destroys these "protein" hormones. So drinking milk from hormone-treated cows doesn't transfer the active form of these chemicals to your body. However, there is one ethical downside to consider: It's not good for the cows. Canadian researchers discovered that cows given hormones are more likely to contract an udder infection called mastitis.

What About Antibiotics?

No one really knows. Some scientists argue that milk from cows given antibiotics leads to antibiotic resistance in humans, making these types of drugs less effective when you take them for an infection. But this finding has never been proved.

I believe that's strike 1,2, & 3. You clearly do not know what a scientific peer reviewed study is, that's clear.

I wasn't claiming that those were peer reviewed studies, just articles. Milk may be great for men who are trying to gain muscle, but I don't believe it is beneficial otherwise. It has been linked to acne, asthma, and high birth weight. Here are the APA links, if you need them:

Mai, X. M., Becker, A. B., Sellers, E. C., Liem, J. J., & Kozyrskyj, A. L. (2007). Infrequent milk consumption plus being overweight may have great risk for asthma in girls. Allergy, 62(11), 1295-1301. doi:10.1111/j.1398-9995.2007.01491.x

Olsen, S., Halldorsson, T., Willett, W., Knudsen, V., Gillman, M., Mikkelsen, T., & Olsen, J. (2007). Milk consumption during pregnancy is associated with increased infant size at birth: prospective cohort study. The American Journal Of Clinical Nutrition, 86(4), 1104-1110.

Melnik, B. C., & Schmitz, G. (2009). Role of insulin, insulin-like growth factor-1, hyperglycaemic food and milk consumption in the pathogenesis of acne vulgaris. Experimental Dermatology, 18(10), 833-841. doi:10.1111/j.1600-0625.2009.00924.x

Mai, X. M., Becker, A. B., Sellers, E. C., Liem, J. J., & Kozyrskyj, A. L. (2007). Infrequent milk consumption plus being overweight may have great risk for asthma in girls. Allergy, 62(11), 1295-1301. doi:10.1111/j.1398-9995.2007.01491.x

So this one states that in over weight girls (with BMI >85th percentile) that already have asthma milk may increase risk of an asthma attack. Sound the alarms.

Olsen, S., Halldorsson, T., Willett, W., Knudsen, V., Gillman, M., Mikkelsen, T., & Olsen, J. (2007). Milk consumption during pregnancy is associated with increased infant size at birth: prospective cohort study. The American Journal Of Clinical Nutrition, 86(4), 1104-1110.

This one states that women who drink more than 6 glasses of Milk a day while in pregnancy was associated with higher birth weight for gestational age, lower risk of SGA (small-for gestational age, a bad thing), and higher risk of LGA (large-for-gestational age, not regarded as a bad thing). Where's the problem here? Not to mention that's a crap-ton of milk.

Melnik, B. C., & Schmitz, G. (2009). Role of insulin, insulin-like growth factor-1, hyperglycaemic food and milk consumption in the pathogenesis of acne vulgaris. Experimental Dermatology, 18(10), 833-841. doi:10.1111/j.1600-0625.2009.00924.x

Abstract:
It is the purpose of this viewpoint article to delineate the regulatory network of growth hormone (GH), insulin, and insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) signalling during puberty, associated hormonal changes in adrenal and gonadal androgen metabolism, and the impact of dietary factors and smoking involved in the pathogenesis of acne. The key regulator IGF-1 rises during puberty by the action of increased GH secretion and correlates well with the clinical course of acne. In acne patients, associations between serum levels of IGF-1, dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate, dihydrotestosterone, acne lesion counts and facial sebum secretion rate have been reported. IGF-1 stimulates 5alpha-reductase, adrenal and gonadal androgen synthesis, androgen receptor signal transduction, sebocyte proliferation and lipogenesis. Milk consumption results in a significant increase in insulin and IGF-1 serum levels comparable with high glycaemic food. Insulin induces hepatic IGF-1 secretion, and both hormones amplify the stimulatory effect of GH on sebocytes and augment mitogenic downstream signalling pathways of insulin receptors, IGF-1 receptor and fibroblast growth factor receptor-2b. Acne is proposed to be an IGF-1-mediated disease, modified by diets and smoking increasing insulin/IGF1-signalling. Metformin treatment, and diets low in milk protein content and glycaemic index reduce increased IGF-1 signalling. Persistent acne in adulthood with high IGF-1 levels may be considered as an indicator for increased risk of cancer, which may require appropriate dietary intervention as well as treatment with insulin-sensitizing agents.

I don't even know where to begin with this one. I hope you don't eat any high GI foods, according to this study they have the same affect. This is an insulin study that happend to use milk instead of say...bread or fruit.

Again, did you even read these? You also still haven't proven a single one of your initial claims. I particularily love the infancy claim. You're not very good at this.

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Waiting for her to come back and talk around this some more while continuously proving that her own point is invalid...