Just eaten a whole pizza, now I'm off to bed.
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this is utter BS...yep I guess science iws wrongGraveyard workers that eat during times the body should be sleeping have higher sugar levels higher weights hifgher incidents heart disease on and on. They die younfger as well. So chow down!!0 -
Fail: No meat on pizza.
Win: Can eat an entire pizza without blowing macros. I'm jealous.
LOL thinking same thing...if I eat a whole pizza my carb macro will be totally blown out of the water...0 -
yep I guess science iws wrongGraveyard workers that eat during times the body should be sleeping have higher sugar levels higher weights hifgher incidents heart disease on and on. They die younfger as well. So chow down!!
Being a shift worker myself, I'm willing to bet that the article has more to do with sleep deprivation than it has to do with food.0 -
The only reason I don't eat close to bedtime is because I'll get nasty reflux all night long, epecially after something saucy. That said...it has never made a difference to my weight what time I eat as long as I get my macros and not eat chocolate cake before bed or something....
Dammit....now I want your pizza....0 -
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i cant see his weight... but from his pic im going to assume he is trying to lose a few pounds, right? also you dont know his bp, his ldl, vldl, trig's or his hdl. As a guy who as a sig that states he is a nutritionist, you do realize that over carb'ing does raise VLDL, which is the dense ones that are known to start and create plaque build up
Yes, Ninerbuff didn't know any of that - and either do you. You also don't know how that pizza fits his macros.0 -
Correct I don't, which is why I asked if no high bp issues, then why is high sodium a problem? As to VLDL, I don't believe carbs raise it, but rather triglycerides and it does lower HDL. Overall genetics is going to be the determining factor on how cholesterol affects an individual rather than dietary cholesterol.
What's the problem with sodium if one doesn't suffer from high blood pressure? What dosage of dietary cholesterol affects body's natural cholesterol? Not blood cholesterol level, but cholesterol that contributes to heart disease?But OP missed my point. a whole pie is what 4k-5k sodium? how much cholesterol alone? guessing 150-200. total fat? guessing 60-70g
i dont give a **** about the time... you could eat a better dinner. Thats all im saying
carry on!
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i cant see his weight... but from his pic im going to assume he is trying to lose a few pounds, right? also you dont know his bp, his ldl, vldl, trig's or his hdl. As a guy who as a sig that states he is a nutritionist, you do realize that over carb'ing does raise VLDL, which is the dense ones that are known to start and create plaque build up
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kinda sad that the OP and a few in this thread believe that calories is all a person needs to eat for
What about all the macro and micro nutrients his body is starving for that he didnt provide it in a whole ****ing pie that he ate for his daily meal?
****ty way to eat and a ****ty way to live to be dead honest
Oh I'm sorry Dr Watson, I wasn't aware you could see my diary? I thought it was friends only, but lets go over what I had today.
Breakfast - Oats (porridge) with fresh cherries and blueberries
Lunch - Banana, low fat crackers and some cheese spread, with a cheese and onion roll (not logged, but I know it's properties)
Dinner - Thin crust veg and cheese pizza, with 140 G of Caribbean spicy wedges, with some coleslaw
Snacks - banana.
And that's a *****ty way to eat?
Are you Popeye or something?
Please, good sir, show me how champions like yourself eat!
Pre workout and breakfast
Kale shake - 2 cups kale, 2 cups baby spinach, 2 carrots, 1 pear, 4 stalks celery, 1 piece ginger, 1 little thing garlic, 1 cucumber
Totals
- 325 cals, 1 fat, 21g protein, 70g carbs, 22g fiber
Breakfast
6 egg whites – add in as much turmeric and black pepper as you like.
96 cals, 22g protein, 0 cholesterol
1 Barlett Pear
100 cals, 1 protein, 5g fiber
1 Ruby red grapefruit
97 cals, 2 protein, 4 fiber
breakfast totals
293 cals, 25g protein, 0 cholesterol, 9g fiber
Lunch
1.5 cups of homemade vegan split pea soup.
170 cals, 2g fat, 11g protein, 12g fiber
1 Gala Apple
80 cals, 1 protein, 5g fiber
½ cup wonderful pistachios Roasted & NO salt
160 cals, 14g fat. 6g protein, 3g fiber
1 cup of steamed broccoli
55 cals, 1g fat, 4g protein, 5g fiber
lunch totals
465 cals, 17g fat, 22g protein, 25g fiber
Dinner
1.5 cups of homemade vegan split pea soup.
170 cals, 2g fat, 11g protein, 12g fiber
12oz of lightly grilled or baked chicken tenders
460 cals, 22g fat, 36g protein, 85g cholesterol
1 corn on the cob (NO BUTTER)
110 cals, 1g fat, 3g protein, 3g fiber
1 Barlett Pear
100 cals, 1 protein, 5g fiber
Dinner totals
840 cals 25g fat, 51g protein, 85g cholesterol, 20g fiber
Daily total.
- 1923 cals, 43g fat, 119g protein, 85g cholesterol, 170g carbs, 76g fiber
1 corn on the cob (NO BUTTER)
110 cals, 1g fat, 3g protein, 3g fiber
^^^CORN ON THE COBB WITH NO BUTTER?!?! What the hell is wrong with you man!?!?!? :frown: :grumble: :grumble: :frown: :frown:0 -
I eat about an hour before bed a lot. And it;s not always healthy dinners but I fit it into my calories. Yesterday I woke up at 5:30 like I do during the week, I didn't have dinner until after I worked out around 7:45 PM, I had 2 slices of Little Caesars cheese pizza, a breadstick and a salad with cottage cheese, dressing and turkey bacon bits. Then I went to bed around 9:30. One night I had two hot dogs (Nathan's 97% fat free) one with a bun and hot dog chili, the other cut up in my baked beans and asparagus, ate that around 8:30. I've lost 55lbs so far (I think I'm closer to 57/58 now I weigh in tomorrow) so it's working for me!
ETA: I go over my sodium a lot but it has no effect on me. I'm a nurse, I know what to look for. I'm not edematous or bloated. I drink more than my weight in oz of water a day. My BP today was 102/51, resting pulse 52. From my most recent labs: Chol 151, trig 86, HDL 54, LDL 80, VLDL 17.2, Glucose 81, BUN/CREAT (kidney function) 10/0.6, electrolytes all normal (including sodium at 141), thyroid normal, and liver function normal. Oh yeah, and those were from Oct 2012 when I weighed about 235 lbs and was eating like ***t. I can only imagine what they look like now. :happy:0 -
Correct I don't, which is why I asked if no high bp issues, then why is high sodium a problem? As to VLDL, I don't believe carbs raise it, but rather triglycerides and it does lower HDL. Overall genetics is going to be the determining factor on how cholesterol affects an individual rather than dietary cholesterol.
What's the problem with sodium if one doesn't suffer from high blood pressure? What dosage of dietary cholesterol affects body's natural cholesterol? Not blood cholesterol level, but cholesterol that contributes to heart disease?But OP missed my point. a whole pie is what 4k-5k sodium? how much cholesterol alone? guessing 150-200. total fat? guessing 60-70g
i dont give a **** about the time... you could eat a better dinner. Thats all im saying
carry on!
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i cant see his weight... but from his pic im going to assume he is trying to lose a few pounds, right? also you dont know his bp, his ldl, vldl, trig's or his hdl. As a guy who as a sig that states he is a nutritionist, you do realize that over carb'ing does raise VLDL, which is the dense ones that are known to start and create plaque build up
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as a "nutritionist" you should know wtf youre talking about....
http://www.healthcentral.com/cholesterol/c/7986/108666/carbohydrates/
Carbohydrates enter into this equation because:
1) Carbohydrates increase triglycerides which, in turn, allow more very low-density lipoprotein particles (VLDL) to be produced by the liver.
2) Triglyceride-rich VLDL interact with LDL particles, making them smaller. The more VLDL, the more small LDL particles. This will be reflected (though incompletely) in higher LDL cholesterol values.
3) Smaller LDL particles are more prone to oxidation--Oxidized LDL particles are more readily taken up by inflammatory white blood cells residing in the artery wall and atherosclerotic plaque.
4) Smaller LDL particles are more prone to glycation--Glycation of LDL is an important phenomenon that makes the LDL particle more atherosclerotic plaque-causing. Glycated LDLs are not recognized by the LDL receptor, causing them to persist in the bloodstream longer than non-glcyated LDL. Glycated LDL is therefore taken up by inflammatory white blood cells in plaque.
please remove your sig til you get a clue....0 -
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1 corn on the cob (NO BUTTER)
110 cals, 1g fat, 3g protein, 3g fiber
^^^CORN ON THE COBB WITH NO BUTTER?!?! What the hell is wrong with you man!?!?!? :frown: :grumble: :grumble: :frown: :frown:
i like the taste of corn....0 -
Even though I'm not a fan of veggies on a pizza and yours had no meat, I won't judge that.
Fail: Not a NY pizza. Come to NYC and I will show you how real pizza taste.
dude,we all now Boston Pizza is superior to NYC pizza...actually, boston is just superior to NYC in every way ...bahahahahahahaha
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In all honesty, though, you eating a whole pizza before bed adds absolutely nothing to the "eating before bed" debate.0
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Even though I'm not a fan of veggies on a pizza and yours had no meat, I won't judge that.
Fail: Not a NY pizza. Come to NYC and I will show you how real pizza taste.
dude,we all now Boston Pizza is superior to NYC pizza...actually, boston is just superior to NYC in every way ...bahahahahahahaha
27 > 7
oh yea.... and 18 wins and one Giant loss.....0 -
This happens if you eat late (true story):
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Correct I don't, which is why I asked if no high bp issues, then why is high sodium a problem? As to VLDL, I don't believe carbs raise it, but rather triglycerides and it does lower HDL. Overall genetics is going to be the determining factor on how cholesterol affects an individual rather than dietary cholesterol.
What's the problem with sodium if one doesn't suffer from high blood pressure? What dosage of dietary cholesterol affects body's natural cholesterol? Not blood cholesterol level, but cholesterol that contributes to heart disease?But OP missed my point. a whole pie is what 4k-5k sodium? how much cholesterol alone? guessing 150-200. total fat? guessing 60-70g
i dont give a **** about the time... you could eat a better dinner. Thats all im saying
carry on!
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i cant see his weight... but from his pic im going to assume he is trying to lose a few pounds, right? also you dont know his bp, his ldl, vldl, trig's or his hdl. As a guy who as a sig that states he is a nutritionist, you do realize that over carb'ing does raise VLDL, which is the dense ones that are known to start and create plaque build up
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as a "nutritionist" you should know wtf youre talking about....
http://www.healthcentral.com/cholesterol/c/7986/108666/carbohydrates/
Carbohydrates enter into this equation because:
1) Carbohydrates increase triglycerides which, in turn, allow more very low-density lipoprotein particles (VLDL) to be produced by the liver.
2) Triglyceride-rich VLDL interact with LDL particles, making them smaller. The more VLDL, the more small LDL particles. This will be reflected (though incompletely) in higher LDL cholesterol values.
3) Smaller LDL particles are more prone to oxidation--Oxidized LDL particles are more readily taken up by inflammatory white blood cells residing in the artery wall and atherosclerotic plaque.
4) Smaller LDL particles are more prone to glycation--Glycation of LDL is an important phenomenon that makes the LDL particle more atherosclerotic plaque-causing. Glycated LDLs are not recognized by the LDL receptor, causing them to persist in the bloodstream longer than non-glcyated LDL. Glycated LDL is therefore taken up by inflammatory white blood cells in plaque.
please remove your sig til you get a clue....
Crumbs ... My brain hurts reading this .... never mind understanding it :huh:0 -
I wonder if genetics is more of a concern regarding cholesterol levels than carbs are. I ate a ****ty, high-carb (200+ grams of SUGAR alone) for over a decade and my cholesterol levels were great throughout (and still are). My husband, on the other hand, lacks a sweet tooth and eats mainly meat, vegetables, and whole grain carbs, yet his cholesterol levels are through the roof.0
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QFT :drinker:Even though I'm not a fan of veggies on a pizza and yours had no meat, I won't judge that.
Fail: Not a NY pizza. Come to NYC and I will show you how real pizza taste.
dude,we all know Boston Pizza is superior to NYC pizza...actually, boston is just superior to NYC in every way ...bahahahahahahaha0 -
My brother did that two nights in a row and went to urgent care. Apparently all that cheese got gunked up somewhere and he had some kind of intestinal distension. Didn't make him gain any weight though.0
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This.your theory holds no water how much extra weight could you have lost by eating when you were going to stay awake..hmmmm.
I weep for your insulin levels.0 -
Just to add, if you think 1325 is a lot, after exercise, I usually have between 2000 - 2200 calories to consume, then I aim to eat back half (usually of my exercise calories.
Why do you eat back your calories if you're trying to lose weight? Personally, if I am on a cut I try NOT to eat back the calories I supposedly burned during a HIIT or lift session (strength training). It really is all about the calories in, calories out - which is why I don't do cardio, except for HIIT 1-2x/week for 20 minutes, because unless I'm going to indulge myself in a cheat meal that week cardio is not something I enjoy. And, unless you fast for most of your "day" then eating 1325 cals at once is not inherently bad, since I know people who only eat once or twice a day because they don't like to eat small meals. BUT, your choice of a whole pizza lacks nutritionally. You should be aiming to get in your protein requirements first and foremost, then your fat, and finally filling in the rest with nutritionally dense carbs or more protein or fat if you so wish.
Also, you shouldn't base your caloric lose on whatever the machine/heart rate monitor says because those calculations are always overestimations of actual calories burned. Try this site to see how many calories of activities based on body weight & duration (still estimated, of course, but a general idea): http://primusweb.com/fitnesspartner/calculat.htm
If you really want to lose fat (I'd say weight but for someone like me, who's expected to increase muscle mass & drop body fat, I can expect to see an increase in scale weight so weight, to me, is really irrelevant), you should try to keep a higher caloric deficit to increase fat loss while making sure you hit your macros & never go below BMR (calculate both here http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121703921 )0 -
I don't mean to be mean, but I can't take OP's word for an entire pizza before bed being a good idea. He says he loses weight consistently, but how much weight is that? 1/2 lb a week? I'd be more inclined to pay him mind if he was lean or if he had a ticker that showed substantial weight loss, but he has no ticker and his picture shows a very heavy man, which leads naturally to the question: what the heck does he know about dieting?
Again, no idea if he used to weigh 200 lbs more. I'm just saying.0 -
The only downside of pizza pre-bed is the cheese fuelled dreams.
This!0 -
Pre workout and breakfast
Kale shake - 2 cups kale, 2 cups baby spinach, 2 carrots, 1 pear, 4 stalks celery, 1 piece ginger, 1 little thing garlic, 1 cucumber
Totals
- 325 cals, 1 fat, 21g protein, 70g carbs, 22g fiber
Breakfast
6 egg whites – add in as much turmeric and black pepper as you like.
96 cals, 22g protein, 0 cholesterol
1 Barlett Pear
100 cals, 1 protein, 5g fiber
1 Ruby red grapefruit
97 cals, 2 protein, 4 fiber
breakfast totals
293 cals, 25g protein, 0 cholesterol, 9g fiber
Lunch
1.5 cups of homemade vegan split pea soup.
170 cals, 2g fat, 11g protein, 12g fiber
1 Gala Apple
80 cals, 1 protein, 5g fiber
½ cup wonderful pistachios Roasted & NO salt
160 cals, 14g fat. 6g protein, 3g fiber
1 cup of steamed broccoli
55 cals, 1g fat, 4g protein, 5g fiber
lunch totals
465 cals, 17g fat, 22g protein, 25g fiber
Dinner
1.5 cups of homemade vegan split pea soup.
170 cals, 2g fat, 11g protein, 12g fiber
12oz of lightly grilled or baked chicken tenders
460 cals, 22g fat, 36g protein, 85g cholesterol
1 corn on the cob (NO BUTTER)
110 cals, 1g fat, 3g protein, 3g fiber
1 Barlett Pear
100 cals, 1 protein, 5g fiber
Dinner totals
840 cals 25g fat, 51g protein, 85g cholesterol, 20g fiber
Daily total.
- 1923 cals, 43g fat, 119g protein, 85g cholesterol, 170g carbs, 76g fiber
I'm glad that my choices are not limited to eating THAT or bad health, because I'd choose bad health over that any time.:noway:0 -
Let's not overstate that VLDL is not a measurable particle in this equation(unless in a fasted state). That's why most people don't get asked about VLDL, They get asked about HDL and LDL readings.
as a "nutritionist" you should know wtf youre talking about....
http://www.healthcentral.com/cholesterol/c/7986/108666/carbohydrates/
Carbohydrates enter into this equation because:
1) Carbohydrates increase triglycerides which, in turn, allow more very low-density lipoprotein particles (VLDL) to be produced by the liver.
No disagreement here.2) Triglyceride-rich VLDL interact with LDL particles, making them smaller. The more VLDL, the more small LDL particles. This will be reflected (though incompletely) in higher LDL cholesterol values.
If we are talking about atherosclerosis. Eating carbs isn't deemed the cause of atherosclerosis. Genetics and risk factors (like smoking) are more directly probable causes.3) Smaller LDL particles are more prone to oxidation--Oxidized LDL particles are more readily taken up by inflammatory white blood cells residing in the artery wall and atherosclerotic plaque.
Again if we talking about someone prone to atherosclerosis. Someone with balance cholesterol levels doesn't have this risk.4) Smaller LDL particles are more prone to glycation--Glycation of LDL is an important phenomenon that makes the LDL particle more atherosclerotic plaque-causing. Glycated LDLs are not recognized by the LDL receptor, causing them to persist in the bloodstream longer than non-glcyated LDL. Glycated LDL is therefore taken up by inflammatory white blood cells in plaque.
I'm all for information, but don't just attribute your proof to a person more prone to a condition.please remove your sig til you get a clue....
Does a person with no hereditary factors and a balanced cholesterol profile have these risks when eating carbs?
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yep I guess science iws wrongGraveyard workers that eat during times the body should be sleeping have higher sugar levels higher weights hifgher incidents heart disease on and on. They die younfger as well. So chow down!!
Do you have proof of these claims?
I need to know, cause it's 8pm and I'm eating a cup of ice cream. Life or death here.
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Holy crap, this thread is still going!
You guys realize the OP said that this wasn't an everyday occurence, right? We all have days like this. What he was trying to get across is that we shouldn't beat ourselves up over it.0 -
I had a whole meat lovers large pizza to myself. Ate every last crumb. Thick cheesy crust as well......
I lost 4lbs.
All after 7pm.... actually closer to 11pm & then went to bed
I lost 4lbs
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That's a lot of cals in carbs, do you get a gram of protein per lb of bw?0
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your theory holds no water how much extra weight could you have lost by eating when you were going to stay awake..hmmmm.
Well, it works for me. I eat and lift weights before I go to bed. I always make sure I stay within my daily allowance, and I always lose weight. Regardless what time you eat, the weight still comes off the same.
I could probably sleep walk to the kitchen, then start eating like some kind of demented beast, as long as I stayed within my allowance, I'll lose weight.
Good for you - You keep eating like that, see where it gets you
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