Should E-cigs be banned?
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I think they should make e- cigarettes the only thing available for smokers. It's less toxic and don't have to worry about second hand smoke and cancer and all the other bad stuff that smoking regular cigarettes cause.
Thank you for looking out for us smokers. NOT. We dont need another nanny state law. Its funny to watch people who dont smoke not caring if smokers continue to have the right to do so. I hope some day soon that the government starts to take something from you that you like. I hope its a law that we can all jump on but the people that really want to do it. Then maybe you will realize that the government shouldnt interfere with our personal lives. Until people like you and others realize that, you will eventually lose something you like and I dont want to hear any crying from you when it happens.
i love that the government continues to take away your smoker "rights". i dont want to smell that junk. it will be nice when the day comes that the only place you can smoke is in your home.
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Well I do explain it all to my kids and hope they won't smoke, but I see what you mean, you can't exactly shield them from all the things you might want to! But it certainly makes it more difficult for a parent to teach their kids things they shouldnt be doing when they see adults all over doing it.
I can now sympathise with my mum
when I grew up in the sixties every Movie / TV hero smoked
Nowadays it's only the "baddies" that smoke0 -
You're still not making sense? Can you take another stab at this please? Are you saying that the e-cig does not give the smoker any nicotine? If so what is your source for such a claim because I haven't found anything to support your position. It isn't really my job to support your claim so I was hoping you would do it.
I don't see what you are basing that on. It advertises that you will get nicotine in your system and that is what it does. As a nonsmoker they seem great because I don't have to be affected by the smoke. It seems like a win win to me.I wish I had thought of E-Cigs. It's one of the greatest marketing hoaxes perpetrated against the gullible.
Save your money and suck your thumb.
That's exactly the rationalization that makes me wish I had come up with the idea. I'm thinking of inventing the E-Pizza for weight loss.
If you are just talking out your *kitten* that is fine too just say so and I will disregard what you are saying all together.
I thought I was fairly clear. I think it is ridiculous. I don't smoke cigarettes, but I do enjoy a cigar with my friends. I like the taste, the smell and the ritual that goes with trimming, lighting and enjoying a cigar. An E-cigar would not be able to replace that. If people take offense to my smoking, I won't do it. When I am in my backyard, with my buddies, then those that take offense can leave.
I wasn't talking out my *kitten*. I was stating my opinion and my opinion is that E-Cigs are very profitable and very unneccessary. They are marketed just as cigarettes were. It's cool.
Has it occurred to you that people who vape might like the smell and the ritual that goes with priming a cartomizer, filling a tank, and enjoying a vape? Why is that any more ridiculous than you and your buddies enjoying cigars?0 -
You stated that it was a "marketing hoax perpetuated against the gullible" for me that statement is something that can be checked and verified. It isn't simply an opinion. The only way it could be true is if it does not do what it is advertised to do. In that case it would be offering you something that it is not providing and then it would be a "marketing hoax perpetuated against the gullible."
You're still not making sense? Can you take another stab at this please? Are you saying that the e-cig does not give the smoker any nicotine? If so what is your source for such a claim because I haven't found anything to support your position. It isn't really my job to support your claim so I was hoping you would do it.
I don't see what you are basing that on. It advertises that you will get nicotine in your system and that is what it does. As a nonsmoker they seem great because I don't have to be affected by the smoke. It seems like a win win to me.I wish I had thought of E-Cigs. It's one of the greatest marketing hoaxes perpetrated against the gullible.
Save your money and suck your thumb.
That's exactly the rationalization that makes me wish I had come up with the idea. I'm thinking of inventing the E-Pizza for weight loss.
If you are just talking out your *kitten* that is fine too just say so and I will disregard what you are saying all together.
I thought I was fairly clear. I think it is ridiculous. I don't smoke cigarettes, but I do enjoy a cigar with my friends. I like the taste, the smell and the ritual that goes with trimming, lighting and enjoying a cigar. An E-cigar would not be able to replace that. If people take offense to my smoking, I won't do it. When I am in my backyard, with my buddies, then those that take offense can leave.
I wasn't talking out my *kitten*. I was stating my opinion and my opinion is that E-Cigs are very profitable and very unneccessary. They are marketed just as cigarettes were. It's cool.
It sounds to me like you are saying you would miss the charm of smoking a real cigar if you had an electronic cigar. That is a fine opinion and one that makes sense but it does not support your original claim. Your criticism of the aesthetics lost in smoking a synthetic cigar are a valid justification why you would not go with that option but that does not make an e-cig a hoax. Neither does the fact that the idea is profitable.
As for them being unnecessary well that may be true but so are real cigars and whiskey and soda and may other things that people enjoy. I think your judgements are harsh and over reaching even though there is a sentiment behind your reasons for saying them which I can understand.0 -
You're still not making sense? Can you take another stab at this please? Are you saying that the e-cig does not give the smoker any nicotine? If so what is your source for such a claim because I haven't found anything to support your position. It isn't really my job to support your claim so I was hoping you would do it.
I don't see what you are basing that on. It advertises that you will get nicotine in your system and that is what it does. As a nonsmoker they seem great because I don't have to be affected by the smoke. It seems like a win win to me.I wish I had thought of E-Cigs. It's one of the greatest marketing hoaxes perpetrated against the gullible.
Save your money and suck your thumb.
That's exactly the rationalization that makes me wish I had come up with the idea. I'm thinking of inventing the E-Pizza for weight loss.
If you are just talking out your *kitten* that is fine too just say so and I will disregard what you are saying all together.
I thought I was fairly clear. I think it is ridiculous. I don't smoke cigarettes, but I do enjoy a cigar with my friends. I like the taste, the smell and the ritual that goes with trimming, lighting and enjoying a cigar. An E-cigar would not be able to replace that. If people take offense to my smoking, I won't do it. When I am in my backyard, with my buddies, then those that take offense can leave.
I wasn't talking out my *kitten*. I was stating my opinion and my opinion is that E-Cigs are very profitable and very unneccessary. They are marketed just as cigarettes were. It's cool.
Has it occurred to you that people who vape might like the smell and the ritual that goes with priming a cartomizer, filling a tank, and enjoying a vape? Why is that any more ridiculous than you and your buddies enjoying cigars?
I don't care if you vape or whatever you call it. It's your privilege and I wouldn't dream of taking it away from you. As a matter of fact, I would side with you if the government tried to take it away from you. I was only stating my opinion.0 -
if just a mild smell coming off of it and its not carcinogenic then i dont see a problem with it. its probably less offensive than a lot of perfume older ladies wear.
do older ladies choose pungent perfumes because their sense of smell is decreasing?
Hey. I'm old. I don't like perfume either.
I don't think it's an age thing. Some young people wear too much, too.
OP, does the eCig cast off an aroma? If it does, then I'd be all for banning them in buildings. Some smells trigger migraines for me. Smokers can smoke their eCigs outside.
The one he bought does give off an aroma...pineapple upside down cake, but how is it any more offensive then some perfumes or fragrances.
We spray febreeze all over the place here in the hospital, and it makes me sick.
The problem as I see it is that if you are in a restaurant and three people next to are smoking the eCig, that aroma would be pervasive. Remember the herbal cigarettes? I don't remember what they were made from, but that smell was pukable.
I'm with you on the Febreeze. The should ban that too.
Well if it's a smell issue possibly...EU is actually in the process or may has completed in banning essential ingredients for perfume making due to allergens, so I guess this shouldnt surprise me.
I just think it's a shame to prevent people from quitting. Right now the advantage to e-cigs is you can smoke them anywhere besides France.
Whoa. Hold Up Now!
It wouldn't "prevent people from quitting". They only address a physical "habit" - nothing chemical. If someone is quitting, they don't need the thing. Just use a pencil. ForPeteSake. You don't need a crutch to quit smoking.
Many of them do have nicotine - in step down doses like the gum does. They just don't have the additives that cigarette companies can add and not list on their labels (some of which boost the nicotine). The vapor is not known to be harmful - but full testing has never been done to my knowledge.
I'm not for banning them - at least not in the near future in most places. Maybe in small enclosed areas only? I've sat right next to a man in a breakroom smoking a peach one and could barely smell it. Helped him quit.0 -
When ever someone says,"There ought to be a law..." they are normally wrong. We don't need the government to be the solution for every single problem in our lives. There is room in this world for the smoker the nonsmoker and the vaporizers. We have to learn to accept the fact that some people will do things that we do not prefer and vice versa rather than calling form a ban ever single time we see something we disagree with.
You're still not making sense? Can you take another stab at this please? Are you saying that the e-cig does not give the smoker any nicotine? If so what is your source for such a claim because I haven't found anything to support your position. It isn't really my job to support your claim so I was hoping you would do it.
I don't see what you are basing that on. It advertises that you will get nicotine in your system and that is what it does. As a nonsmoker they seem great because I don't have to be affected by the smoke. It seems like a win win to me.I wish I had thought of E-Cigs. It's one of the greatest marketing hoaxes perpetrated against the gullible.
Save your money and suck your thumb.
That's exactly the rationalization that makes me wish I had come up with the idea. I'm thinking of inventing the E-Pizza for weight loss.
If you are just talking out your *kitten* that is fine too just say so and I will disregard what you are saying all together.
I thought I was fairly clear. I think it is ridiculous. I don't smoke cigarettes, but I do enjoy a cigar with my friends. I like the taste, the smell and the ritual that goes with trimming, lighting and enjoying a cigar. An E-cigar would not be able to replace that. If people take offense to my smoking, I won't do it. When I am in my backyard, with my buddies, then those that take offense can leave.
I wasn't talking out my *kitten*. I was stating my opinion and my opinion is that E-Cigs are very profitable and very unneccessary. They are marketed just as cigarettes were. It's cool.
Has it occurred to you that people who vape might like the smell and the ritual that goes with priming a cartomizer, filling a tank, and enjoying a vape? Why is that any more ridiculous than you and your buddies enjoying cigars?
I don't care if you vape or whatever you call it. It's your privilege and I wouldn't dream of taking it away from you. As a matter of fact, I would side with you if the government tried to take it away from you. I was only stating my opinion.0 -
Meh. I enjoy them. I have a year of not smoking regular cigarettes now, they have saved me a ton of cash, allowed my recent breathing problems to heal well enough for me to take up running and drastically reduce allergy and asthma meds, my chronic gum infections due to smoking have entirely ceased since switching, and the smell and action have been so inoffensive to my nonsmoking friends that the majority of them don't even notice me doing it even if they are sitting right next to me.
There is a lot of money to lose by the tobacco company, the pharmaceutical company, and the government getting kickbacks from both of these, if more cigarette smokers switch to e-cigs. So yeah, I think there are some forces at work pushing for this ban that definitely do NOT have people's best interests in mind.
I strongly feel these devices have saved my life, and my husband's. It should be a public health issue, and I would hope that anyone who has a friend or family member who smokes that they care about would support their use as a VASTLY healthier alternative.0 -
So my boyfriend just got a vaporizer to cut out his cigar habit. I'm all for this. I think it's a safe alternative, and it tastes yummy. The "juice" is made from vegetable glycerin, food grade propylene glycol, and flavoring. He's not using any nicotine.
I'm reading now that there is a push world wide to ban e-cigs in public places like cigarettes. France has already banned it. The UK is trying to adopt this ban and make it only purchasable with a prescription. And flaky California has bill out to ban the e-cigs.
I wonder if it's a push by big tobacco and pharmaceuticals. I cant see how water vapor and flavoring smell is harmful. Of course I have no idea how VG and PG are broken down in the lungs, but it seems like such a shame to ban something that would help people stop smoking.
There isnt a lot of research out there. What are your thoughts?
Why don't we just ban leaving the house altogether? Everyone should just stay home and have no fun because fun can be so dangerous.0 -
They should stay legal...that way "other" vaporizer pens can be used incognito
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We should ban everything I find offensive
I have that right
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I think it's banned in public places because I don't want people blowing smoke of any kind (even if you call it "vapor" to make it sound better) in my face. I think e-cigs are great if they help people quit cigarettes, but that doesn't mean I should have to inhale it.
You're scared of fog too, aren't you.
See? What did I say? We should just ban going out of doors.0 -
The guys at work are allowed to smoke them inside, and they all smell delightful. My favorite so far has been the cocoa. It made the whole room smell like chocolate and made me think of home (Hershey, PA).0
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I'm an ex-smoker who vapes. It's great to feel like a real person again without the heavy feeling in my lungs. I feel happier and healthier, and my family is happy too. I seem to have more of an oral fixation than an actual addiction - I have no problem stopping and starting smoking at the drop of a hat, as long as I can vape - even if I use vape juice that is 0 nicotine.
If you told me I have to stand outside in a MN winter to smoke an eCig that is not offensive to ANYONE - trust me, I ask all the time and people look at me like I'm crazy to think they would be offended - I would just smoke cigarettes. Then I would come back inside reeking like them and actually offend people.
There is not a danger to others when vapeing like there is for second hand smoke from cigarettes. It doesn't bother people. Banning them just makes absolutely no sense and my theory is it would drive a lot of vape-ers back to smoking.
BTW: For anyone who thinks I should just save my money and suck my thumb, I find that offensive. Would YOU suck your thumb in public? I had a huge problem with thumb sucking as a kid. My mom made me quit at age 3, so I already kicked that habit.0 -
Live and let live.
For some reason, some people have a lot of trouble with this simple philosophy. :frown:0 -
But I do know why some places (like Rangers Stadium for example), it's because they don't want smokers to see them and think they are actual cigarettes and believe they are allowed to smoke cigarettes in the area. If that makes any sense. One of our local radio DJ's smokes and advertises for an E-cig store here in the area and that's what multiple stadium staff told him.
I had that problem at work too. I'm not saying they should ban these 'eCig's', though. They should just not be used in non-smoking areas. Maybe they could change 'no smoking' signs to 'no cigarette' signs. And I know that it isn't good for the 'eCig' people to be put with the normal smokers either probably, but maybe you could find somewhere else to stand or sit or whatever? Depends on the place really, I guess. But they do cause confusion.0 -
i switched from 'real' cigs to e-cigs (contining nicotine) for a couple of weeks, and then i quit vaping too. i have been smoke and/or vape free (i.e. nicotine-free) for 1.5 months.
i treated vaping like smoking: took it outside, kept it away from non-'smokers'. i never felt the need to vape indoors, never tried. no one walks around randomly atomizing their drakkar noir or chanel no. 5 into the air (when other people are present), so why should i think it's okay to puff my scented vapor in a public place of business or my workplace? scents are INVASIVE, whether they are 'pleasant', 'unpleasant', or 'neutral.' and the foregoing qualifiers are all subjective anyway and will differ from person to person. also, i'm aware of how disturbing things like lights, smells, sounds, and vibrations can be to people with certain conditions or sensitivities. smells don't bother me, but certain (non-random) sounds and vibrations can drive me up the wall.
that having been said, i'm with soldier4242: we don't need laws for every little thing. we just need sense and consideration for others. i am the kind of person that would rather walk outside to puff my perfectly legal e-cig (even though i don't have to) to spare someone else either a legitimate headache or a completely illegitimate, uninformed butt-hurt reaction over something they think i ought not be doing. i am also the kind of person who will stop wearing a particular fragrance if it gives my cowoker a headeache. it's not that big of deal for me. i don't need a law or a ban to force me to do the compassionate, reasoned thing.
no ban. just sense.0 -
I don't smoke, but I play a sport with a bunch of guys, some of whom have recently dumped cigarettes in favor of e-cigs.
They all tell me they notice an improvement in their breathing while playing the sport.
And that's all I need to hear. Clearly there's some upside vs. cigarettes.
I also don't believe e-cigs are as "smelly". The vapor smells like the flavor of it, but the worst vapor still smells better than cig smoke!0 -
Saying you quit smoking while still using and E cig is like saying you don't **** dogs, except Labradors.
Many doctors I know would disagree. So where does your informed opinion come from?0 -
Saying you quit smoking while still using and E cig is like saying you don't **** dogs, except Labradors.
What a terrible analogy.
They have stopped smoking, since the ecig uses no smoke.
I seriously think many people have no idea what vapor is vs what smoke it0 -
I hope they are banned in public places and treated the same as cigarettes. I do think they present a much better alternative, though I still wouldn't want to see them in malls, eateries, etc.0
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Its been fun to watch this unfold. I am sure there are people on this thread that dont smoke or quit and think everyone should stop smoking in all forms, because its "good for them", but have no problem getting behind the wheel of a 3000 pound vehicle after having a "few drinks" and driving only "half drunk" or buzzed. OR the ones that are overweight who say its safer not to smoke while their body gets weaker and weaker because they "cant lose weight". The hyprocracy of it all never ceases to amaze me. I would stir up a huge pile of it by starting up a new thread "All drinking in any form should be stopped in public and only allowed in your homes" and all overweight people should only eat 2000 calories a day and work out 5 days a week unitl they are at their ideal body weight. How would all of you that are overweight or are drinkers like those rules? You wouldnt. SO leave the people that smoke or use ecigs alone.0
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Nothing harmful comes from the e-cig.
It hardly smells, and even then it doesn't smell like cigarette. There are different aromas such as vanilla, berry, etc.
I have no problem with them. My boyfriend used to smoke and I hated it, so he switched to e-cig and I think its great.0 -
Ok haven't read it all but
1) most e-cigs DO contain nicotine - otherwise how would they be a replacement for a cigarette
2) The UK is worried about the safety of these items as they have no safety regulations, that is why talk of a ban/making them prescription only.
3) Here is a good article on the subject: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-231963690 -
I didn't read all the comments but some on the first page made me LOL from the ignorance. There is nothing wrong with e-cigs that can harm anyone. My husband did it when he was quitting and I never had a problem with them other than it still keeps that addiction to nicotine. But they don't smell really at all, unless you have a flavored one and those don't even smell strong. They are cheaper than buying cigarettes, and they also have no (known) health issues with them. So I am for anyone smoking those things vs the "real" thing. I am a former smoker too and I absolutely hate the smell. I can't stand to be around it or smell it on anyone or anything. Even when I smoked a pack a day, I still hated the smell of it. So a healthier alternative all around for the smoker AND the public, by all means don't ban the damn thing...0
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When it comes to e-cigs it's more about the tobacco industry wanting their cake and eating it too. They don't want to be labeled as a medical device, but market them as a method to quit smoking. The don't want to be called cigarettes because they means you are smoking, so they call it vaping. Both are methods to get around tobacco regulations and taxation. Thus, US jurisdictions are in a bind to address them because the FDA hasn't done so.
There has been a lot of efforts around the social norm change (smoking is not as common as it used to be), so seeing someone "vaping" would change the norm. Kids don't know the difference between an e-cig and a regular one so what message does that send when they observe it? Too, what adult thinks candy apple is a good flavor for anything other than candy? Not many..... These products are marketed to children.
If they are an effective method to quit smoking - put the peer reviewed research out there, register them pharmaceutical products and go on your merry way. Truth is, most folks aren't quitting - they are switching - and simply using the e-cigs where traditional cigarettes are not allowed, while still smoking when they can. Along with the dual use, you have lots of young people who pick up the product because they are told that it is safer. Despite what the labels say, the FDA found several of them marked as being nicotine free - actually had nicotine in them. Nicotine is what is addictive and not the random assortment of other things found in traditional cigarettes.
More research is needed, but I won't be a guinea pig.0 -
Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, why you gotta smoke next to me? I don't care what that thing is made of if it stinks and it's not saving your life, get it the heck away from me. *gripsheadinfearofmigraine*
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When it comes to e-cigs it's more about the tobacco industry wanting their cake and eating it too. They don't want to be labeled as a medical device, but market them as a method to quit smoking. The don't want to be called cigarettes because they means you are smoking, so they call it vaping. Both are methods to get around tobacco regulations and taxation. Thus, US jurisdictions are in a bind to address them because the FDA hasn't done so.
There has been a lot of efforts around the social norm change (smoking is not as common as it used to be), so seeing someone "vaping" would change the norm. Kids don't know the difference between an e-cig and a regular one so what message does that send when they observe it? Too, what adult thinks candy apple is a good flavor for anything other than candy? Not many..... These products are marketed to children.
If they are an effective method to quit smoking - put the peer reviewed research out there, register them pharmaceutical products and go on your merry way. Truth is, most folks aren't quitting - they are switching - and simply using the e-cigs where traditional cigarettes are not allowed, while still smoking when they can. Along with the dual use, you have lots of young people who pick up the product because they are told that it is safer. Despite what the labels say, the FDA found several of them marked as being nicotine free - actually had nicotine in them. Nicotine is what is addictive and not the random assortment of other things found in traditional cigarettes.
More research is needed, but I won't be a guinea pig.
I was wondering when someone would come out and say this.
1. Its about taxation. They need to be taxed.
2. ITS ABOUT THE CHILDREN
Typical liberal progressive bull****. OH and no one asked you to be a guinea pig, no one is asking to use them, so your point is mute.0 -
When it comes to e-cigs it's more about the tobacco industry wanting their cake and eating it too. They don't want to be labeled as a medical device, but market them as a method to quit smoking. The don't want to be called cigarettes because they means you are smoking, so they call it vaping. Both are methods to get around tobacco regulations and taxation. Thus, US jurisdictions are in a bind to address them because the FDA hasn't done so.
There has been a lot of efforts around the social norm change (smoking is not as common as it used to be), so seeing someone "vaping" would change the norm. Kids don't know the difference between an e-cig and a regular one so what message does that send when they observe it? Too, what adult thinks candy apple is a good flavor for anything other than candy? Not many..... These products are marketed to children.
If they are an effective method to quit smoking - put the peer reviewed research out there, register them pharmaceutical products and go on your merry way. Truth is, most folks aren't quitting - they are switching - and simply using the e-cigs where traditional cigarettes are not allowed, while still smoking when they can. Along with the dual use, you have lots of young people who pick up the product because they are told that it is safer. Despite what the labels say, the FDA found several of them marked as being nicotine free - actually had nicotine in them. Nicotine is what is addictive and not the random assortment of other things found in traditional cigarettes.
More research is needed, but I won't be a guinea pig.
I was wondering when someone would come out and say this.
1. Its about taxation. They need to be taxed.
2. ITS ABOUT THE CHILDREN
Typical liberal progressive bull****. OH and no one asked you to be a guinea pig, no one is asking to use them, so your point is mute.
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When it comes to e-cigs it's more about the tobacco industry wanting their cake and eating it too. They don't want to be labeled as a medical device, but market them as a method to quit smoking. The don't want to be called cigarettes because they means you are smoking, so they call it vaping. Both are methods to get around tobacco regulations and taxation. Thus, US jurisdictions are in a bind to address them because the FDA hasn't done so.
There has been a lot of efforts around the social norm change (smoking is not as common as it used to be), so seeing someone "vaping" would change the norm. Kids don't know the difference between an e-cig and a regular one so what message does that send when they observe it? Too, what adult thinks candy apple is a good flavor for anything other than candy? Not many..... These products are marketed to children.
If they are an effective method to quit smoking - put the peer reviewed research out there, register them pharmaceutical products and go on your merry way. Truth is, most folks aren't quitting - they are switching - and simply using the e-cigs where traditional cigarettes are not allowed, while still smoking when they can. Along with the dual use, you have lots of young people who pick up the product because they are told that it is safer. Despite what the labels say, the FDA found several of them marked as being nicotine free - actually had nicotine in them. Nicotine is what is addictive and not the random assortment of other things found in traditional cigarettes.
More research is needed, but I won't be a guinea pig.
I was wondering when someone would come out and say this.
1. Its about taxation. They need to be taxed.
2. ITS ABOUT THE CHILDREN
Typical liberal progressive bull****. OH and no one asked you to be a guinea pig, no one is asking to use them, so your point is mute.
Dont tell me to shoosh. My opinion is as valid as anyone elses. If you dont like it dont read it.0
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