Children: Why are people having 4+??
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Oh, I didn't realize that other people got to decide what or WHO was unnecessary when it has nothing at all to do with them. Wait, they don't!
if that was true anyone could get married
Yeah plenty of ppl decide what others can do. If other people didn't get to decide what others did then:
Anyone could be married to anyone or anything.
All drugs are cool if you can afford them.
No minimum age drink.
No minimum age to vote.
srsly this list is almost endless
You are going to compare marriage equality to doing drugs and drinking?0 -
I have 2, and that's all I want. I know that's all I can afford both financially and psychologically. Some people though, are much more stable than I am, and have a LOT more patience that I do. To each their own. I don't get it, but I don't expect them to understand why I only want 2...0
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The house ain't gonna keep itself clean.
LMFAO so much THIS!0 -
Agree. MYOB.Birth control failure, religion, love of children, etc. are all valid reasons why people have large families. I'm not surprised you don't really "get it" considering you don't have any children yourself and know just how much joy and happiness they can bring. Perhaps their parents are lonely or unhappy and want that unconditional love that a child (or many children) bring.
The bottom line though is that it's none of your business. Pay attention to what's happening in your own womb and forget about somebody else.0 -
It is everyone's business when we're very seriously facing over-population and diminishing natural resources. Further, if these parents don't have the finances and mental capacity to raise their handfuls of children properly, the burden falls to the tax payers.
Ignorance should mind it's own business.
So a woman's right to choose only goes one way? Ok, that's cool. I have enough kids for both of us anyway. Added bonus: I get to raise them all however I like. :flowerforyou:0 -
Oh, I didn't realize that other people got to decide what or WHO was unnecessary when it has nothing at all to do with them. Wait, they don't!
if that was true anyone could get married
Yeah plenty of ppl decide what others can do. If other people didn't get to decide what others did then:
Anyone could be married to anyone or anything.
All drugs are cool if you can afford them.
No minimum age drink.
No minimum age to vote.
srsly this list is almost endless
You are going to compare marriage equality to doing drugs and drinking?
wasn't really comparing. was really more about how other people already decide how others should act. I'm all for marriage equality idc if gays and lesbians get married or not if they want to get married bully for them :drinker:0 -
Because I love kids!!0
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How else do you create loyal armies for world domination?0
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Why do people without kids always question the choices of people who do? I have always wondered that.
It definitely goes both ways. Personally, I think its everyone's own business...but I understand the OP's thought process here, because I see way too many situations where people are having children they can't provide or, and don't take care of where I live.
Everyone is entitled to their opinon.
Precisely. And just because the OP isn't married and doesn't have kids doesn't mean her opinion is invalid or that she doesn't have a right to ask. I'm childfree (yaaaaaaaay!), but I still ask my friends parenting questions and kid questions because I'm genuinely curious, and they're always happy to talk about their kids and answer my questions. They never tell me, "Oh, you don't have kids? I'm just going to ignore your question now. Bye." That's rude.
For the record, I never ask, "OMG why do you have so many kids?!?" but I might ask something like, "How many kids would you like to have?" when they say they plan to have kids. I never just bring it up out of the blue or act nosy. It's always a response to their statement.0 -
Because I love kids!!
As long as you don't drive a windowless van, I accept this answer0 -
I'm not married and I don't have children, but my boyfriend and I live in a very populated city where people feel the need to have 5, 6, 7+ kids. These families don't appear to have the means to fiscally be able to meet their children's needs. We are wondering WHY?! Why do people feel the need to procreate beyond 2 or 3 children? I can understand 2 for sure and even 3, 4 seems a little crazy to me, but any more - that's insane and seems so unnecessary!
Anyone who has reasons for having 4+ kids, please let me know why! And if anyone else has some opinions, I'd love to hear them!
Why do people without kids always question the choices of people who do? I have always wondered that.
Because they don't have a child asking "mommy why?" questions every two minutes :laugh:
In all seriousness though, I am an only child, but was took of my mom until her dying day.
My husband and I have one, and as of right now, we don't want anymore (financially it doesn't make sense to have another one right now and we aren't sure we want anymore anyhow) but it does tick us off when we have to pay for people to use the system.0 -
Because they can0
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This whole thread is sad. Wow. Maybe people have kids because they want them. :noway:0
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It is everyone's business when we're very seriously facing over-population and diminishing natural resources. Further, if these parents don't have the finances and mental capacity to raise their handfuls of children properly, the burden falls to the tax payers.
Ignorance should mind it's own business.
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**** off.
that is all.
I like you!0 -
Er, it's none of your business?
However, be glad they are, or you're going to work until you die.0 -
Er, it's none of your business?
However, be glad they are, or you're going to work until you die.
The children from the types of families the OP is talking about are unlikely going to be our big future tax payers.0 -
That's how the mormons intend on taking over the world. So it's kinda looking like that right to choose may become one way in the near future.
LOL my comment would probably get it shut down. But ROFLMAO @ a Mormon plan to take over the world.0 -
To answer the "Why do you care?" questions.
Overpopulation.
Dwindling natural resources.
Strain on public education.
Strain on healthcare system.
The list goes on and on and on and on.
But that's all I'm saying. I'm positive I'm of the unpopular opinion in this thread.
This is pretty well what I was thinking too0 -
Its a shame your first post wasn't of the more typical type content that wouldn't invoke such a strong response from people. Wish you all the best with your journey.
My own opinion though is I don't care if people have 2 kids or 20. So long as they pay for them and support them with the love and attention they need. The second the state/I have to start paying for someone else's one/two/three too many, then that p*sses me off. I think its fantastic that I live in a country where young/single/unemployed parents can be given support/benefit if they need it. The problem is when the system is abused. However, your OP didn't really mention that, if its just about numbers and not about if they can support them then thats not your concern.0 -
To answer the "Why do you care?" questions.
Overpopulation.
Dwindling natural resources.
Strain on public education.
Strain on healthcare system.
The list goes on and on and on and on.
But that's all I'm saying. I'm positive I'm of the unpopular opinion in this thread.
This is pretty well what I was thinking too
and me.0 -
I'm not married and I don't have children, but my boyfriend and I live in a very populated city where people feel the need to have 5, 6, 7+ kids. These families don't appear to have the means to fiscally be able to meet their children's needs. We are wondering WHY?! Why do people feel the need to procreate beyond 2 or 3 children? I can understand 2 for sure and even 3, 4 seems a little crazy to me, but any more - that's insane and seems so unnecessary!
Anyone who has reasons for having 4+ kids, please let me know why! And if anyone else has some opinions, I'd love to hear them!
You don't look young enough to be saying "Nuff said". And I think you're mean and wrong.
That is so sad. :sad: Your opinion means so much to me. :laugh:0 -
To answer the "Why do you care?" questions.
Overpopulation.
Dwindling natural resources.
Strain on public education.
Strain on healthcare system.
The list goes on and on and on and on.
But that's all I'm saying. I'm positive I'm of the unpopular opinion in this thread.
Interesting you post this I was actually reading an article on how the aging population, specifically in europe and japan, and the decline in the birth rate is now hurting the country because the work force is becoming older and there are less young people to support the elderly.
They say China is going to have a big problem in later years and before they can become a true superpower the country will stall due to the past restrictions on birth and of course the gender discrimination...they will age before there time
oh and restrictive immigration laws...new blood=power
poor people need to have kids. As an econ professor I had said "Poor people are a renewable resource" . As harsh as that sounds it's true. The reason Japan is having problems is b/c no babies = no one to buy stuff.
So hope that answers your question about why people that can't afford kids have kids .
Or, it's that strict immigration policies, a low birth rate and an aging population is resulting in an underfunded and overused social insurance and pension program coupled with a lack of sustainable natural resources.
There are plenty of people in Japan to buy stuff...about 127 million of them (~10th most populous in the world).0 -
It is everyone's business when we're very seriously facing over-population and diminishing natural resources. Further, if these parents don't have the finances and mental capacity to raise their handfuls of children properly, the burden falls to the tax payers.
Ignorance should mind it's own business.
So a woman's right to choose only goes one way? Ok, that's cool. I have enough kids for both of us anyway. Added bonus: I get to raise them all however I like. :flowerforyou:
Listen lady, no one's telling you you can't have kids. Literally NO ONE has said that. Just that maybe you should think about the impact it has before you do so. No one is advocating forced abortion or sterilization, although after some responses in this thread I find myself leaning more towards that than I ever thought I would.
Also, yes. You do get to raise them however you want. That's how the mormons intend on taking over the world. So it's kinda looking like that right to choose may become one way in the near future.
I wasn't talking about forced abortion or sterilization. I'm not worried about that. But ask any parent of more than 2 children what the social consequences are. Look at the judgment on here about how large families must be working the system. Try to book a vacation for 7 people. Try to buy a house with more than 3 bedrooms. Try to go out to dinner without people asking you if you have a daycare. Or if you know how kids are made. Or if you own a tv. *sigh* I'm simply pointing out a different perspective. If you are a tolerant person, you can surely appreciate that.
But thanks for calling me a lady. Beats the heck out of sweetie and honeybuns--both of which I have heard today.
ETA: the quote my response was directed to.0 -
Because Social Security is an abysmal failure, and it's going to take 14 workers for each recipient to keep the checks coming when I hit that age, so my wife and I need 28 kids to cover us, and if we throw a few extra in there, you're welcome.
All joking aside, I have 3 kids, and I'd take a couple more, but we're done and that's okay too. Really, it's no ones business but mine. And as for the whole overpopulation and natural resources aspect, really? Get out of the city and have a look at the other 95% of the worlds land mass, it's called wilderness, and we have plenty, and there is not a single natural resource that is not renewable.
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I don't want to get TOO personal, but there's many many sides to this coin that I'd like anyone who has strong feelings on this subject either way to take into consideration. My situation is one of them...
I'm 25yo and have three kids by three men, never married. I had a very rough life up until a few years ago when I finally gave my life to God, and was a runaway/working girl for most of my adolescence. Being judged for being a single mom with 3 kids by 3 men is something I have to deal with a LOT, unfortunately. In the past it would have really hurt and angered me to be looked down upon, but these days I can hold my head up high and say "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."
I have been blessed enough to have been given the opportunity to totally turn my life around, I am a college graduate, full-time employee, and have three amazing kids. But it's common for people to make assumptions about me by saying things like "you should get your GED." Because I have tattoos I was even let go of a job once because a couple of the customers had asked the owner if I worshiped Satan and he thought he might be losing money by keeping me (I found out the truth much later though. I thought he just couldn't afford to pay me). The irony being that I was a Christian, like they probably felt they were, in asking such a disgusting question.
Anyway what I'm getting at is...you never know anyone's story. What doesn't make sense to you could be caused by a multitude of reasons. Yeah, some people are just flat out trashy and have a bunch of kids they can't afford and expect the government to foot the bill. But please don't assume. Sometimes a kind ear and a welcoming smile is the best thing that happens to a single mother, juggling children she has for any number of reasons, trying to make ends meet, trying to get their head above water, every obstacle life could throw in the way beating her down on a daily basis.
Whenever I meet someone who will become my husband, most likely he will have kids of his own as well. And with my three already, we'll be quite the Brady Bunch. I would hope that the number of children in the home, my (and probably my future husband's) many tattoos, or anything else would not be anyone's sole reason for looking down on us. Not that I think anyone's being a big mean judgy person here---just that my first thought after reading the question was the hate mongering people who would just sit there and think "because they're stupid" or "because they're wh***s that can't keep their legs closed" or any other cynical hatefulness. The answer to this question is: It doesn't matter.0 -
My TL:DR answer.
Because they want too.0 -
and there is not a single natural resource that is not renewable.
Ozone...?!0 -
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It is everyone's business when we're very seriously facing over-population and diminishing natural resources. Further, if these parents don't have the finances and mental capacity to raise their handfuls of children properly, the burden falls to the tax payers.
Ignorance should mind it's own business.
So a woman's right to choose only goes one way? Ok, that's cool. I have enough kids for both of us anyway. Added bonus: I get to raise them all however I like. :flowerforyou:
I wasn't talking about forced abortion or sterilization. I'm not worried about that. But ask any parent of more than 2 children what the social consequences are. Look at the judgment on here about how large families must be working the system. Try to book a vacation for 7 people. Try to buy a house with more than 3 bedrooms. Try to go out to dinner without people asking you if you have a daycare. Or if you know how kids are made. Or if you own a tv. *sigh* I'm simply pointing out a different perspective. If you are a tolerant person, you can surely appreciate that.
But thanks for calling me a lady. Beats the heck out of sweetie and honeybuns--both of which I have heard today.
ETA: the quote my response was directed to.
I get that. I really do. I honestly think it's that people love policing women's bodies. Ask women that have no children how they are treated by society and you'll find that people ask them rude questions and question their decisions too.
I personally see having that many children as irresponsible on many levels, but I don't doubt that it can be a burden. Although if I'm being honest, you could say the same thing about teen pregnancy.0
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