Disease free...FOREVER??? Is this possible?
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As others have said, it depends on if you're talking about preventable diseases or not. Some cancers are caused by (or at least aided by) a poor diet - but others are clearly genetic mutations, environmental causes, etc. We all know a health nut who died young of disease, and we all know a old chain smoking alcoholic who lived to be 95. Clearly, genetics and sometimes just bad luck play a part.
That said, I believe it's very important for your health to eat well and exercise. It won't prevent everything, and you may still get a disease (or get hit by a bus for that matter.) But you will have less chance of developing obesity-related diseases such as diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, colon cancer, etc. It's also important to keep mentally healthy - stress and lack of sleep can also wreak havoc on health.
And in regards to eating butter, bacon, cream, wine, and chocolate - I am in favor. Research results are pending.0 -
Famous vegans who have died of cancer or heart disease include:
Steve Jobs - died of cancer
Linda McCartney – Paul McCartney’s first wife, died of breast cancer.
Robin Gibb – of the Bee Gees, died of stomach cancer
Adam Yauch, Beastie Boys, died of cancer
Harvey Milstein, proponent of the raw food hygiene movement died of colon cancer
George Harrison, Beatle, died of lung cancer
Eva Ekvall, Miss Venezuela, died of breast cancer age 29
Vihara Youkta, dancer and wife of famous raw foodist Viktoras Kulvinskas, died of cancer.
http://yourdoctorsorders.com/2012/08/vegans-and-cancer-china-study-2/
(Not quoting the study - just the names)0 -
You are right, a lot of diseases have contributing genetic factors. I've been really fascinated by how much research indicates that diet and exercise tends to outweigh a good many of those genetic factors.
One of the big problems with encouraging health is that pharmaceutical companies and doctors don't make much money by prescribing diet and exercise. Many patients seem to prefer the pill in order to continue eating their horrible diet.
Oh, absolutely. I don't mean to downplay the importance of eating well. I just get annoyed when people tout this or that diet, whatever it is, as being THE diet that will cure all ills and/or prevent all ills that can always trump whatever time-bomb genes you might be carrying. Because that's just BS. It depends on the person and any conditions they might have, even if they don't know they have them.
But yes, I do agree that diet can be (but isn't always) better "medicine" than pills. I mean, I take a lot of pills -- beta blockers, ACE inhibitors, diuretics, Coumadin, all sorts of things -- but for me the high carb/low protein/moderate fat vegan diet that I'm following has made my liver a much happier organ and, for me, that's awesome because it makes life a lot better. And, hopefully, it'll mean that I'll be able to have valve replacement surgery without the surgery itself killing me. So, I'm good with both pills AND diet modification, as is my doctor, who's of more of an holistic bent than many. Why not avail yourself of both? Why must it be one or the other? (Not saying that you said that, but many people do seem to have that black-and-white, binary attitude vis a vis diet modification vs. pharmaceuticals.)
But yes, some people do see the pills as an excuse to keep doing what they're doing. I don't entirely blame the doctors, though. Patient stubbornness has a lot to do with it. My mother could tell you all about that. *eye roll*0 -
I would advise that anyone who makes a blanket statement that if you only do __________ thing, then you will never get any kind of disease is making a statement that they can in no way back up. It doesn't matter if it's eating vegan or eating a pound of bacon every day -- the human body is a fallible thing that can get sick. Sometimes it's environmental, sometimes it's genetic, sometimes it's dietary. There's no evidence that I'm aware of that proves that human beings can only develop heart disease, diabetes, cancer, etc due to the things that they eat, therefore the logical conclusion is that there are other things that can cause a person to develop these diseases. You can eat the best diet in the world and exercise like an Olympic champion every day, then drop dead of a heart attack brought on by heart disease caused by inherited genes. You can do that same food and exercise program, then contract HPV and develop cervical cancer. The human body is incredibly complex and is influenced by many factors and the diet is only one of them.
In terms of diet, I'm sure there are people out there who will make the argument that a vegan diet is healthier and would at least protect you from illness brought on by what you eat. I would point out that eating a vegan diet may make you less likely to develop high cholesterol, however it automatically puts you at higher risk for a large number of illnesses that result from nutritional deficiencies if you aren't very careful to plan out such a diet properly. The truth is that being a vegan or not is simply a dietary choice -- two different diets with two different sets of risks And ultimately, it is very misleading to tell people that eating a vegan diet will protect them from disease.0 -
Famous vegans who have died of cancer or heart disease include:
Steve Jobs - died of cancer
Linda McCartney – Paul McCartney’s first wife, died of breast cancer.
Robin Gibb – of the Bee Gees, died of stomach cancer
Adam Yauch, Beastie Boys, died of cancer
Harvey Milstein, proponent of the raw food hygiene movement died of colon cancer
George Harrison, Beatle, died of lung cancer
Eva Ekvall, Miss Venezuela, died of breast cancer age 29
Vihara Youkta, dancer and wife of famous raw foodist Viktoras Kulvinskas, died of cancer.
http://yourdoctorsorders.com/2012/08/vegans-and-cancer-china-study-2/
(Not quoting the study - just the names)
You named all cancer victims when I said cancer aside.0 -
Famous vegans who have died of cancer or heart disease include:
Steve Jobs - died of cancer
Linda McCartney – Paul McCartney’s first wife, died of breast cancer.
Robin Gibb – of the Bee Gees, died of stomach cancer
Adam Yauch, Beastie Boys, died of cancer
Harvey Milstein, proponent of the raw food hygiene movement died of colon cancer
George Harrison, Beatle, died of lung cancer
Eva Ekvall, Miss Venezuela, died of breast cancer age 29
Vihara Youkta, dancer and wife of famous raw foodist Viktoras Kulvinskas, died of cancer.
http://yourdoctorsorders.com/2012/08/vegans-and-cancer-china-study-2/
(Not quoting the study - just the names)
You named all cancer victims when I said cancer aside.
I looked up just one name on tbjs list and the man was a vegetarian, not a vegan. He also did drugs, including acid, and was a heavy smoker. He died of lung cancer.0 -
Nigella still looks way better. And the foods she cooks look amazing. And she's awesome.
I'd be a lot more concerned with how her arteries look ...
Because dietary cholesterol causes arterial problems, amirite?
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The truth is that being a vegan or not is simply a dietary choice -- two different diets with two different sets of risks And ultimately, it is very misleading to tell people that eating a vegan diet will protect them from disease.
Totally ^
And not only misleading, but insulting for people who have worked hard to be very healthy, eat vegan whatever who still got diseases. It implies that people who get cancer or other types of disease brought it on themselves because they didn't take good enough care of themselves.0 -
Vegan lifestyle and disease statistics are virtually impossible to detangle into anything meaningful, just because the overall lifestyles of vegans tend to be so radically different in dozens of other ways besides what they eat.
But no, vegan diets won't protect you from infectious diseases, degenerative diseases, genetic diseases etc...
Maybe prion diseases.0 -
So I was watching this documentary "America the beautiful"
About how obesity is an epidemic and how people obsess with getting
The "perfect" body. So the producer went on a vegan type diet and the owner of
The restaurant/diet thing said that if you never eat animal products(basically vegan)
Then you will NEVER get any kind of disease,ever. No heart disease, high blood pressure,
Liver disease, kidney disease,ect. He said he guarantees that if you eat all raw food and no animal foods
You will live your life without any disease.
Is this an accurate statement? Cancer aside, Alot of diseases do come from the stuff
Found in animals but disease "free" for life sounds like a bold statement.
Insight Please!
It's a completely misleading statement when you consider that, for example, high blood pressure may be lifestyle related and may be hereditary as is the predisposition to heart disease. Same with cholesterol - your body makes it and the link between dietary cholesterol and serum levels is tenuous at best.
My personal opinion is that we can only manage risk, it can never be eliminated. Extreme lifestyles (at either end of the meat consumption spectrum) deny evolution.0 -
Vegan lifestyle and disease statistics are virtually impossible to detangle into anything meaningful, just because the overall lifestyles of vegans tend to be so radically different in dozens of other ways besides what they eat.
But no, vegan diets won't protect you from infectious diseases, degenerative diseases, genetic diseases etc...
Maybe prion diseases.
not being a cannibal and not eating animals that have been fed brains of their own or closely related species also helps protect against prion disease.
however veganism won't protect you 100% from prion disease, because the protein involved in prion disease, which is basically an altered form of a particular protein in neural tissue, can become altered as a result of a random mutation. Eating prions makes this specific protein in your cells revert to the prion form, which is like a domino rally effect because the newly formed prions become prions and your brain and other nervous tissue in your body ends up riddled with holes. But they can just arise randomly, so vegans can get prion disease, albeit much more rarely than people who eat human brains or who eat the brains of cows, sheep etc that were fed prion infected brain tissue from their own or closely related species.0 -
Vegan lifestyle and disease statistics are virtually impossible to detangle into anything meaningful, just because the overall lifestyles of vegans tend to be so radically different in dozens of other ways besides what they eat.
But no, vegan diets won't protect you from infectious diseases, degenerative diseases, genetic diseases etc...
Maybe prion diseases.
not being a cannibal and not eating animals that have been fed brains of their own or closely related species also helps protect against prion disease.
however veganism won't protect you 100% from prion disease, because the protein involved in prion disease, which is basically an altered form of a particular protein in neural tissue, can become altered as a result of a random mutation. Eating prions makes this specific protein in your cells revert to the prion form, which is like a domino rally effect because the newly formed prions become prions and your brain and other nervous tissue in your body ends up riddled with holes. But they can just arise randomly, so vegans can get prion disease, albeit much more rarely than people who eat human brains or who eat the brains of cows, sheep etc that were fed prion infected brain tissue from their own or closely related species.
Indeed this is true! I was making a bit of a joke.
Prions are very interesting things...0 -
Vegan lifestyle and disease statistics are virtually impossible to detangle into anything meaningful, just because the overall lifestyles of vegans tend to be so radically different in dozens of other ways besides what they eat.
But no, vegan diets won't protect you from infectious diseases, degenerative diseases, genetic diseases etc...
Maybe prion diseases.
not being a cannibal and not eating animals that have been fed brains of their own or closely related species also helps protect against prion disease.
however veganism won't protect you 100% from prion disease, because the protein involved in prion disease, which is basically an altered form of a particular protein in neural tissue, can become altered as a result of a random mutation. Eating prions makes this specific protein in your cells revert to the prion form, which is like a domino rally effect because the newly formed prions become prions and your brain and other nervous tissue in your body ends up riddled with holes. But they can just arise randomly, so vegans can get prion disease, albeit much more rarely than people who eat human brains or who eat the brains of cows, sheep etc that were fed prion infected brain tissue from their own or closely related species.
Indeed this is true! I was making a bit of a joke.
Prions are very interesting things...
yes they are.... when I was at uni the neurobiology lecturer was one of the leading research scientists researching mad cow disease. The lecture on prion disease was titled "a lesson in human stupidity" and he said that if you wanted to design a mechanism whereby prion disease could jump the species barrier you actually couldn't have designed anything better than the farming practices in the UK in the 60s, 70s and 80s that led to mad cow disease.
I didn't mean to ruin your joke... I just wanted to point out that being vegan doesn't even protect you from prion disease... albeit the case that getting prion disease from a random mutation in your body's own protein is very rare... just because a lot of people on this forum think that (add any extremely restrictive diet here) is going to prevent them from ever getting ill...0 -
No, that's rediculious, but considering it's a popular mantra for vegan indoctrination and is repeated along with quite a bit of other misinformation, it's not surprising.0
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So I was watching this documentary "America the beautiful"
About how obesity is an epidemic and how people obsess with getting
The "perfect" body. So the producer went on a vegan type diet and the owner of
The restaurant/diet thing said that if you never eat animal products(basically vegan)
Then you will NEVER get any kind of disease,ever. No heart disease, high blood pressure,
Liver disease, kidney disease,ect. He said he guarantees that if you eat all raw food and no animal foods
You will live your life without any disease.
Is this an accurate statement? Cancer aside, Alot of diseases do come from the stuff
Found in animals but disease "free" for life sounds like a bold statement.
Insight Please!
Of course it's not true. The recent outbreaks of ecoli and listeria from fruits and vegetables should be enough to disprove the statement.0 -
Michael Clarke Duncan died of a heart attack at 54. No diet/exercise routine is a guarantee of being disease-free.0
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Where are the studies that show a diet that is completely absent of meat protects from diseases?
Even the china study, as cherry picked and forced as it is, only showed that LOWER meat consumption reduced risk of disease. Not a diet completely meat absent.
even though it appears to make sense I think it is a bit of a jump to infer that if lower meat consumption reduces X then ZERO meat consumption must lower it more!!! And this seems like such a naive and unscientific inference to me.
If there are studies that show completely meat free diets to be healthiest I'd like to see them.0 -
I'm pretty sure you'd still get veneral diseases from unprotected sex. Unless that's against veganism because technically you'd have meat inside you...
Aw nuts! There goes my plans!0 -
Famous vegans who have died of cancer or heart disease include:
Steve Jobs - died of cancer
Linda McCartney – Paul McCartney’s first wife, died of breast cancer.
Robin Gibb – of the Bee Gees, died of stomach cancer
Adam Yauch, Beastie Boys, died of cancer
Harvey Milstein, proponent of the raw food hygiene movement died of colon cancer
George Harrison, Beatle, died of lung cancer
Eva Ekvall, Miss Venezuela, died of breast cancer age 29
Vihara Youkta, dancer and wife of famous raw foodist Viktoras Kulvinskas, died of cancer.
http://yourdoctorsorders.com/2012/08/vegans-and-cancer-china-study-2/
(Not quoting the study - just the names)
You named all cancer victims when I said cancer aside.
I looked up just one name on tbjs list and the man was a vegetarian, not a vegan. He also did drugs, including acid, and was a heavy smoker. He died of lung cancer.
Why single-out acid? Is that supposed to suggest that LSD causes cancer or other illnesses?0 -
The truth is that being a vegan or not is simply a dietary choice -- two different diets with two different sets of risks And ultimately, it is very misleading to tell people that eating a vegan diet will protect them from disease.
Totally ^
And not only misleading, but insulting for people who have worked hard to be very healthy, eat vegan whatever who still got diseases. It implies that people who get cancer or other types of disease brought it on themselves because they didn't take good enough care of themselves.
Quoted for truth.
I'd also argue that the only way to be "disease-free forever" is to already be dead.0 -
Nigella still looks way better. And the foods she cooks look amazing. And she's awesome.
I agree. But the OP didn't say anything about a no meat diet making you beautiful. Health and beauty don't always go hand in hand.0 -
Good rule of thumb - any time a health supplement, lifestyle, diet, cleanse, exercise, etc makes a blanket statement like that, you can pretty much throw it out the window.
That's not to say a vegan lifestyle can't be healthier for you - but if you see something that touts itself as a magic-bullet, beware. Such things simply don't exist.0 -
I guess no one saw the cigarette diet thread yesterday?
Yup. 100 years ago people thought it was a good idea to smoke cigarettes for weight loss.
I wonder how we will look at things in the future when we figure out many of the ideas/methods we propose today as healthy is just another method of killing us differently.
Keep searching for that magic pill and special diet. Good luck!0 -
My first reaction was, sure, I can make you disease free...forever. Just let me get my .45 out of my safe and get it loaded...
But come to think of it, what with homicide laws and such, I'd much rather you do it yourself. Oh, and not on the carpet. (My wife will be !**&@$@$ed.) Just step outside and enjoy an eternity of freedom from disease.0 -
^^^^^^^^Good rule of thumb - any time a health supplement, lifestyle, diet, cleanse, exercise, etc makes a blanket statement like that, you can pretty much throw it out the window.
That's not to say a vegan lifestyle can't be healthier for you - but if you see something that touts itself as a magic-bullet, beware. Such things simply don't exist.
Totally This Too!0 -
^^^^^^^^Good rule of thumb - any time a health supplement, lifestyle, diet, cleanse, exercise, etc makes a blanket statement like that, you can pretty much throw it out the window.
That's not to say a vegan lifestyle can't be healthier for you - but if you see something that touts itself as a magic-bullet, beware. Such things simply don't exist.
Totally This Too!
Oh contraire. The magic bullet DOES exist. You just may not like the side effects. ;^D0 -
So I was watching this documentary "America the beautiful"
About how obesity is an epidemic and how people obsess with getting
The "perfect" body. So the producer went on a vegan type diet and the owner of
The restaurant/diet thing said that if you never eat animal products(basically vegan)
Then you will NEVER get any kind of disease,ever. No heart disease, high blood pressure,
Liver disease, kidney disease,ect. He said he guarantees that if you eat all raw food and no animal foods
You will live your life without any disease.
Is this an accurate statement? Cancer aside, Alot of diseases do come from the stuff
Found in animals but disease "free" for life sounds like a bold statement.
Insight Please!
And the bolded statement is true...why? Do you even have evidence to support that claim or is it comparable to me saying 'Inter-planetary space travel aside, a lot of Nazis have been living on the moon after WWII and are planning their triumphant return"0 -
Never say never. There are too many possible combinations of genes, diets, environments, and states of mind to make grand generalizations about the human condition.0
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I love my Magic Bullet! I make smoothies for lunch three times a week!
^^^^^^^^Good rule of thumb - any time a health supplement, lifestyle, diet, cleanse, exercise, etc makes a blanket statement like that, you can pretty much throw it out the window.
That's not to say a vegan lifestyle can't be healthier for you - but if you see something that touts itself as a magic-bullet, beware. Such things simply don't exist.
Totally This Too!
Oh contraire. The magic bullet DOES exist. You just may not like the side effects. ;^D
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So if I stop eating meat, I can keep smoking or working at a nuclear power plant or sitting out in the sun all day without sunscreen, right? Right???
Yeah. I understand where they're coming from, but rationally stated info tends to go over a lot better than hyperbole when you're talking about someone's health.0
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