MFP says to eat 300g of carbs a day

I eat a lot of carbs because I'm a vegan and eat lots of fruits and whole grains and whatnot. Good carbs, good. Bad carbs, bad.

Bad carbs bad? Please elaborate

This has been discussed before. The food companies found out a way to make processed carbohydrates store as fat even if you eat at a deficit. Catch up, man.

What am I catching up to, nonsense bro science?

Show me the processed carbs that you speak of. Just because you brought it up before doesn't make it true. Don't tell me you read it in a blog somewhere, show me actual evidence.

Well prove me wrong! WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE SO MEAN? Ok so I read it in a blog. There, are you happy now?

I don't have to prove anything. I'm not the one claiming magical carbs exist.

I'm actually not happy.....I was expecting a tougher comeback. I'm leaving disappointed.

I've lost 13 pounds so far by only eating fruits. THAT is proof enough.

Ok. If you want to take the argument to that level.

I've lost 73 lbs eating barely any fruit while eating white flour tortillas, yellow rice and ice cream every day. Pizza every week.

73> 13

Obvious troll is obvious

How exactly am I trolling. Anyone that knows me knows my thoughts on food. You think I am going to make up what I eat to make a point? Feel free to view my diaries.

Typical, when someone has no way to solidify their argument they resort to name calling, well played.

http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/five-foods-should-never-be-your-grocery-cart
I'll listen to the Dr.

Dr. OZ hahahahahaha what a complete joke!

Dr. Oz is a reliable source. Did you go to medical school? Do you have a television show? Are you a gazillionaire? Didn't think so.

Do I have a tv show? lol Extremely weak argument man. The whole good carb/bad carb debate is a utter joke. While some carbs have a higher glycemic index numbers then others, they are still just carbs and eat them for energy. In fact you will get the same amount of energy from eating 1g of white rice that you will get from eating 1g of oats. The truth if the matter is not in what type of carb you eat, but more in HOW much you eat.

Gaining 5 lbs over night is consuming 17, 500 cals over your maintenance. Yeah, not likely.

If you're able to see a dietician, they can help you with what your targets should be. Especially if you have a health problem that needs to be addressed.

It's also worth noting that the quality of the carbs you eat is important too.

can we please stop quoting, it's starting to get on my nerves...just quote the last statement, we all get the joke

On a side note... if you are on a high fat diet, make sure your fat comes from grass fed cows, pastured pork and fowl, wild caught fish and organic high fat fruit (avocados for example). What your food ate and how it was grown has a big impact on your health. Where your food comes from matters...

I live in the "boonies" and we have a garden and raise or have friends that raise the cows, pigs etc. I also hunt so I mostly eat deer, elk, duck , pheasant and fish caught out of the stream. But fast food came into my little town a few years back and destroyed my life. I drink only water now and gave up the junk food (Chips, cookies, pie, etc) and try to only eat homegrown when I can. I still eat processed foods but I "try" to stay away. I usually workout twice a day for 30 minutes at a time. I have had 4 heart surgeries since birth so I have to kind of take it easy.

Absolutely take it easy. For exercise, I would just walk as much as you can. Stick to whole real food that you can trace back to it's source. Judging by what you posted that should not be too hard. Just do your best and as Tony Horton says... forget the rest.

guys don't feed the troll.

So much bro science in this thread.

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Your carb intake should be 30 gr or less a day if you want to lose weight fast. I'm on a low carb, no sugar (well 20 gr or less a day) high fat (120 gr a day) diet and the pounds r dropping off and in all the right places too. Ive lost 2 kilo in 1 week. Just saying.

Baloney. Not proven. Caloric deficit. Brain aneurysm.

There does seem to be considerable evidence from the medical community about carbs, insulin, and fat (loss or gain). Those who are diabetic, insulin resistant, or have hit a wall with weight loss are doing well with managing those foods (carbs) which cause insulin spikes.

1.American Medical Association Council on Foods and Nutrition. A critique of low-carbohydrate ketogenic weight reduction regimens. A review of Dr. Atkins’ diet revolution. JAMA. 1973 Jun 4;224(10):1415-9. PubMed PMID: 4739993.
2.“Diabetes mellitus.” Belinda Rowland., Teresa G. Odle., and Tish Davidson, A. M. The Gale Encyclopedia of Alternative Medicine. Ed. Laurie Fundukian. 3rd ed. Detroit: Gale, 2009. 4 vols.
3.Blüher M, Michael MD, Peroni OD, Ueki K, Carter N, Kahn BB, Kahn CR. Adipose tissue selective insulin receptor knockout protects against obesity and obesity-related glucose intolerance. Dev Cell. 2002 Jul;3(1):25-38. PubMed PMID: 12110165.
4.Cordain, Loren, and Joe Friel. The Paleo Diet for Athletes: A Nutritional Formula for Peak Athletic Performance. Emmaus, Pa.: Rodale Books, 2005. Print.
5.E.A. Newsholme and C. Start. Regulation of Metabolism. 173 ISBN: 0471635308
6.Flatt, Jen-Pierre. Tremblay, Angelo. Energy Expenditure and Substrate Oxidation. In: Bray GA, Couchard d, James WP, eds. Handbook of Obesity. New York: Marcel Dekker, 1997: 513-538.
7.Goldberg M, Gordon E. Energy Metabolism In Human Obesity. Plasma Free Fatty Acid, Glucose, And Glycerol Response To Epinephrine. JAMA. 1964 Aug 24;189:616-23. PubMed PMID: 14162576.-
8.Havel PJ. Update on adipocyte hormones: regulation of energy balance and carbohydrate/lipid metabolism. Diabetes. 2004 Feb;53 Suppl 1:S143-51. Review. PubMed PMID: 14749280.
9.Ludwig DS. The glycemic index: physiological mechanisms relating to obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease. JAMA. 2002 May 8;287(18):2414-23. Review. PubMed PMID: 11988062.
10.Newsholme, E. A., and C. Start. Regulation in metabolism . London: Wiley, 1973. Print.
11.Obesity and leanness. Basic aspects. Stock, M., Rothwell, N., Author Affiliation: Dep. Physiology, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, London Univ., London, UK.
12.Schenk S, Saberi M, Olefsky JM. Insulin sensitivity: modulation by nutrients and inflammation. J Clin Invest. 2008 Sep;118(9):2992-3002. Review. PubMed PMID: 18769626; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC2522344.
13.Whitehead, Saffron A.; Nussey, Stephen (2001). Endocrinology: an integrated approach. Oxford: BIOS. pp. 122. ISBN 1-85996-252-1.
14.Wilcox G. Insulin and insulin resistance. Clin Biochem Rev. 2005 May;26(2):19-39. PubMed PMID: 16278749; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC1204764.
15.York DA, Bray GA. Dependence of hypothalamic obesity on insulin, the pituitary and the adrenal gland. Endocrinology. 1972 Apr;90(4):885-94. PubMed PMID:4258778.
16.York DA, Hansen B. Animal models of obesity. In: Bray GA, Couchard d, James WP, eds. Handbook of Obesity. New York: Marcel Dekker, 1997: 191-221

Whoa I started a fight? I just meant that eating brown rice and whole grains and pseudograins and vegetables is healthier than eating white bread, white pasta, white flour, etc. Of course you CAN lose weight eating crap, but why would one want to be skinny and unhealthy when one could be fit and healthy?

I don't see too big of issue with 300g of carbs per day if you are working out. Carbs translate into fuel for your body. BUT keep in mind the difference between "good carbs" and "empty calroie" carbs.

Banana= good carb
Pastries= empty calorie carbs with little/no nutritional value

In what context are they "healthier?" Seriously, why do you believe that an extra gram or two of fiber, and lowered bioavailability of vitamins/minerals, somehow makes it "healthier?" That's just silly.

Your carb intake should be 30 gr or less a day if you want to lose weight fast. I'm on a low carb, no sugar (well 20 gr or less a day) high fat (120 gr a day) diet and the pounds r dropping off and in all the right places too. Ive lost 2 kilo in 1 week. Just saying.

Baloney. Not proven. Caloric deficit. Brain aneurysm.

There does seem to be considerable evidence from the medical community about carbs, insulin, and fat (loss or gain). Those who are diabetic, insulin resistant, or have hit a wall with weight loss are doing well with managing those foods (carbs) which cause insulin spikes.

1.American Medical Association Council on Foods and Nutrition. A critique of low-carbohydrate ketogenic weight reduction regimens. A review of Dr. Atkins’ diet revolution. JAMA. 1973 Jun 4;224(10):1415-9. PubMed PMID: 4739993.
2.“Diabetes mellitus.” Belinda Rowland., Teresa G. Odle., and Tish Davidson, A. M. The Gale Encyclopedia of Alternative Medicine. Ed. Laurie Fundukian. 3rd ed. Detroit: Gale, 2009. 4 vols.
3.Blüher M, Michael MD, Peroni OD, Ueki K, Carter N, Kahn BB, Kahn CR. Adipose tissue selective insulin receptor knockout protects against obesity and obesity-related glucose intolerance. Dev Cell. 2002 Jul;3(1):25-38. PubMed PMID: 12110165.
4.Cordain, Loren, and Joe Friel. The Paleo Diet for Athletes: A Nutritional Formula for Peak Athletic Performance. Emmaus, Pa.: Rodale Books, 2005. Print.
5.E.A. Newsholme and C. Start. Regulation of Metabolism. 173 ISBN: 0471635308
6.Flatt, Jen-Pierre. Tremblay, Angelo. Energy Expenditure and Substrate Oxidation. In: Bray GA, Couchard d, James WP, eds. Handbook of Obesity. New York: Marcel Dekker, 1997: 513-538.
7.Goldberg M, Gordon E. Energy Metabolism In Human Obesity. Plasma Free Fatty Acid, Glucose, And Glycerol Response To Epinephrine. JAMA. 1964 Aug 24;189:616-23. PubMed PMID: 14162576.-
8.Havel PJ. Update on adipocyte hormones: regulation of energy balance and carbohydrate/lipid metabolism. Diabetes. 2004 Feb;53 Suppl 1:S143-51. Review. PubMed PMID: 14749280.
9.Ludwig DS. The glycemic index: physiological mechanisms relating to obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease. JAMA. 2002 May 8;287(18):2414-23. Review. PubMed PMID: 11988062.
10.Newsholme, E. A., and C. Start. Regulation in metabolism . London: Wiley, 1973. Print.
11.Obesity and leanness. Basic aspects. Stock, M., Rothwell, N., Author Affiliation: Dep. Physiology, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, London Univ., London, UK.
12.Schenk S, Saberi M, Olefsky JM. Insulin sensitivity: modulation by nutrients and inflammation. J Clin Invest. 2008 Sep;118(9):2992-3002. Review. PubMed PMID: 18769626; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC2522344.
13.Whitehead, Saffron A.; Nussey, Stephen (2001). Endocrinology: an integrated approach. Oxford: BIOS. pp. 122. ISBN 1-85996-252-1.
14.Wilcox G. Insulin and insulin resistance. Clin Biochem Rev. 2005 May;26(2):19-39. PubMed PMID: 16278749; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC1204764.
15.York DA, Bray GA. Dependence of hypothalamic obesity on insulin, the pituitary and the adrenal gland. Endocrinology. 1972 Apr;90(4):885-94. PubMed PMID:4258778.
16.York DA, Hansen B. Animal models of obesity. In: Bray GA, Couchard d, James WP, eds. Handbook of Obesity. New York: Marcel Dekker, 1997: 191-221

That is why I asked about bloodwork. I assume everybody to have normal health markers. If OP has a medical condition then obviously the approach will differ.

I am on a NET of 20 carbs a day, carbs - fiber = Net Carbs (20)
pounds fall off every week
though I am closer to my goal and I now loose about 1.5 lbs a week

It is proven to work, just not everyone agrees with the method.

Diet shamer.

I am on a net of around 150 carbs per day. Pounds fall off every week. I'm not saying eat all carbs. Carb restriction is likely very necessary to get to a low BF%. Barring any medical condition, OP has a lot of room to lose weight without majorly restricting carbs. If OP were to cut to 30 carbs per day he would adapt to that level of carbohydrate intake and not be able to reach a low BF% when the time came. You can't really cut from 30. Just like you don't want to start out with too few calories you don't want to start out with too few carbs.

ETA: If OP has a medical condition my advice would be to not take my advice. See a dietician and take their advice.

Whoa I started a fight? I just meant that eating brown rice and whole grains and pseudograins and vegetables is healthier than eating white bread, white pasta, white flour, etc. Of course you CAN lose weight eating crap, but why would one want to be skinny and unhealthy when one could be fit and healthy?

I don't see too big of issue with 300g of carbs per day if you are working out. Carbs translate into fuel for your body. BUT keep in mind the difference between "good carbs" and "empty calroie" carbs.

Banana= good carb
Pastries= empty calorie carbs with little/no nutritional value

In what context are they "healthier?" Seriously, why do you believe that an extra gram or two of fiber, and lowered bioavailability of vitamins/minerals, somehow makes it "healthier?" That's just silly.

Banana's are good carbs, so if you eat one before exercise, it fuels your body!
If you eat a pastry, which is a bad carb, it punches you in the face, which isn't good for your body