Is 5 2 just a fad?
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So, my sister is evangelising about the results on the 5 2 plan. Is it just hype or should I give it serious consideration?
Does it make exercising harder when calories are this restricted?
I've heard that it does work reasonably well but it probably isn't a good idea for anyone with a continuing, chronic medical condition or who is over 60 or under 16. There's a reason why they didn't require the elderly, the ill or children to fast in ancient Israel. Most healthy adults have abundant reserves to draw on during a fast. It would be terrible for me because I have uric acid levels that tend to run on the high side--fasting would likely trigger a gout attack. Not fun.
Not true ! I am 65, have no thyroid and have Lupus. I have done 18:6 and 5:2 ( 5 days of one and two days of the other each week ) since the beginning of April and have never felt better in recent history ( for the last several years ). My joints are no longer that swollen, I sleep better, I take less BP medicine, take less Cortisone and all around feel better. Coincidence ? I don't think so.....:o).0 -
benefits of fasting in what regards? Where are you getting this information from?
The benefits other than weight loss that I am referring to are:
-Reduced Cholesterol
-Reduced fat content in blood cells and in the body
-Improved Insulin resistance
-Blood markers of inflammation, including C-reactive protein, also decreased
-Improving and curing of diseases like diabetes and asthma
-boost the production of a protein called brain-derived neurotrophic factor by 50 to 400 percent,
-Cancer prevention
Here are a couple of sources (but they are abundant):
http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/the-benefits-of-occasional-fasting-20121116
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-16/lifestyle/sns-201301151500--tms--premhnstr--k-i20130116-20130116_1_mark-mattson-calorie-restriction-calorie-intake
Those are articles with no references. Those arent true sources.
You do realized being on a hypo caloric diet alone does all of that?0 -
benefits of fasting in what regards? Where are you getting this information from?
The benefits other than weight loss that I am referring to are:
-Reduced Cholesterol
-Reduced fat content in blood cells and in the body
-Improved Insulin resistance
-Blood markers of inflammation, including C-reactive protein, also decreased
-Improving and curing of diseases like diabetes and asthma
-boost the production of a protein called brain-derived neurotrophic factor by 50 to 400 percent,
-Cancer prevention
Here are a couple of sources (but they are abundant):
http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/the-benefits-of-occasional-fasting-20121116
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-16/lifestyle/sns-201301151500--tms--premhnstr--k-i20130116-20130116_1_mark-mattson-calorie-restriction-calorie-intake
Those are articles with no references. Those arent true sources.
You do realized being on a hypo caloric diet alone does all of that?
Each of those articles clearly site the studies. Don't be intellectually dishonest. They are there if you bothered to really look.
Just because you say your Hypocrite Diet works, doesn't make it so. Sorry, who's the one without sources now?0 -
The benefits to fasting don't kick in until the 18-24 hour mark, with the most benefits between 21-24. Before that there aren't really any benefits, after that the benefits don't really increase. So if you eat dinner at 6PM, you really shouldn't eat anything until 3PM the next day.
That's close. The way it is truly supposed to work (and apparently Mosely explained this badly or ignored this part) is the 500 calorie days are supposed to actually be fasting days, as in you finish eating on the previous day and then fast until dinner time the next day. The fasting part is the part that gives all the health benefits of the idea, but apparently he's explained it as people just eating small meals to total 500 calories, completely ruining the entire point of the fasting day.If you're doing 1300 the 5 days why not just do 1300 every day? That level of constant deficit seems to work for most people who have been successful. Not being a 5:2 disciple myself, my understanding of the plan is that you eat at 500 on the low days and at maintenance the other 5 days (not binging past maintenance on these days). I guess the point is to get the same weekly deficit but only "suffering" two days of the week instead of every day. By eating at 1300 the other five days you are averaging just over 1000 every day which pretty much everyone will agree is too low. If you at least bump it up to 1500 on the other five days you'll have an average of 1200.
I had wondered about that also. ESE (the original) was all about dinner to dinner (easiest) or breaky to breaky which makes sense but having small meals during the day (with no macros detailed) is not truely fasting IMO.
Still a deficit is a deficit.
He does say to leave the window as long as possible. I think he states too (can't find ATM) that more research needs to be done on this. As it comes in they'll update it. It's a question that gets asked alot. I think he said there is some indication that the longer you go, the better. He's given a maximum allowance on fasting days for the sake of helping adherence. Small enough though (if you do use it) to still reap the benefits. He does say compared to some fasting methods it's a walk in the park (my words). He doesn't knock those methods either. The variety just points to flexibility in my mind!
Macros are covered as well. Beginning with protein to LBM. Muscle preservation is a desired outcome so less emphasis on scales, more so on waist measurements and so on.
I think as an IF person you would probably recognize alot of the research discussed. He's not trying to BS on anything..states that a deficit is important for weightloss..translate..watch the no cal days, stick to macros first and everything else in moderation. This is rough so don't pick at me!
I'm wondering if the benefits in terms of increased insulin sensitivity and leptin for MO obese people is different than for those who are in a lower BMI. So for an MO person...the duration between the 500 cal split still helps in that regard. The lower you get however and once resistance is addressed with loss of adipose fat..then the window needs to be further stretched to maximize other health benefits? He mentions insulin resistance...0 -
benefits of fasting in what regards? Where are you getting this information from?
The benefits other than weight loss that I am referring to are:
-Reduced Cholesterol
-Reduced fat content in blood cells and in the body
-Improved Insulin resistance
-Blood markers of inflammation, including C-reactive protein, also decreased
-Improving and curing of diseases like diabetes and asthma
-boost the production of a protein called brain-derived neurotrophic factor by 50 to 400 percent,
-Cancer prevention
Here are a couple of sources (but they are abundant):
http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/the-benefits-of-occasional-fasting-20121116
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-16/lifestyle/sns-201301151500--tms--premhnstr--k-i20130116-20130116_1_mark-mattson-calorie-restriction-calorie-intake
Those are articles with no references. Those arent true sources.
You do realized being on a hypo caloric diet alone does all of that?
Each of those articles clearly site the studies. Don't be intellectually dishonest. They are there if you bothered to really look.
Just because you say your Hypocrite Diet works, doesn't make it so. Sorry, who's the one without sources now?
because anyone who studies nutrition knows that hypocaloric diets improve insulin resistance, lipid panel, etc
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16862952
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23963894
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23588462
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23177481
This is something you know nothing about and are biased to the root of what is causing the positive effects upon that body and limiting yourself to only focusing on your 5-2 diet
Low carb diets cause all those effects
low fat diets
high protein
fasting
What do all of those have in common? They are hypocaloric.
Losing fat in general improves insulin resistance.0 -
The benefits to fasting don't kick in until the 18-24 hour mark, with the most benefits between 21-24. Before that there aren't really any benefits, after that the benefits don't really increase. So if you eat dinner at 6PM, you really shouldn't eat anything until 3PM the next day.That's close. The way it is truly supposed to work (and apparently Mosely explained this badly or ignored this part) is the 500 calorie days are supposed to actually be fasting days, as in you finish eating on the previous day and then fast until dinner time the next day. The fasting part is the part that gives all the health benefits of the idea, but apparently he's explained it as people just eating small meals to total 500 calories, completely ruining the entire point of the fasting day.
I had wondered about that also. ESE (the original) was all about dinner to dinner (easiest) or breaky to breaky which makes sense but having small meals during the day (with no macros detailed) is not truely fasting IMO.
Still a deficit is a deficit.
He does say to leave the window as long as possible. I think he states too (can't find ATM) that more research needs to be done on this. As it comes in they'll update it. It's a question that gets asked alot. I think he said there is some indication that the longer you go, the better. He's given a maximum allowance on fasting days for the sake of helping adherence. Small enough though (if you do use it) to still reap the benefits. He does say compared to some fasting methods it's a walk in the park (my words). He doesn't knock those methods either. The variety just points to flexibility in my mind!
Macros are covered as well. Beginning with protein to LBM. Muscle preservation is a desired outcome so less emphasis on scales, more so on waist measurements and so on.
I think as an IF person you would probably recognize alot of the research discussed. He's not trying to BS on anything..states that a deficit is important for weightloss..translate..watch the no cal days, stick to macros first and everything else in moderation. This is rough so don't pick at me!
I appreciate tigersword and chrisdavey's extensive knowledge on the subject. But are you both suggesting that utilizing Mosley's 5:2 method people won't get any of the fasting benefits other than weight loss? I get that his intention of adding the 500 or 600 calories on the fast days( Lo-cal days) is to facilitate adherence. But what I also understand, as I believe many other do, is that fasting benefits are also derived sticking to the Lo-cal ceilings on the fast (calorie restriction) days. Is this later assumption false in your opinion? Could it be that the fasting benefits are still derived using the 5:2 method, but perhaps not as concentrated as a pure fast? Overtime these benefits are supposed to accumulate, or so at least I gathered from Dr. Mosley's material. Do you guys also disagree with this last assumption?
Personally, I have done many 36 to 48 hour fasts before for spiritual reasons, but never more than one a year. I am not sure I have the discipline and determination to do it once or twice a week. Perhaps once a month. How often do you guys do an 18+ hour fast?
I know I have a lot of questions in here, so thanks in advance.
I do a 36 hour fast every 3rd day. I do 4:3 rather than 5:2 just because routine is better for me. I do it with 0 calories for that fast & only have water to drink nothing more. Health benefits are fantastic.0 -
benefits of fasting in what regards? Where are you getting this information from?
The benefits other than weight loss that I am referring to are:
-Reduced Cholesterol
-Reduced fat content in blood cells and in the body
-Improved Insulin resistance
-Blood markers of inflammation, including C-reactive protein, also decreased
-Improving and curing of diseases like diabetes and asthma
-boost the production of a protein called brain-derived neurotrophic factor by 50 to 400 percent,
-Cancer prevention
Here are a couple of sources (but they are abundant):
http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/the-benefits-of-occasional-fasting-20121116
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-16/lifestyle/sns-201301151500--tms--premhnstr--k-i20130116-20130116_1_mark-mattson-calorie-restriction-calorie-intake
Those are articles with no references. Those arent true sources.
You do realized being on a hypo caloric diet alone does all of that?
Each of those articles clearly site the studies. Don't be intellectually dishonest. They are there if you bothered to really look.
Just because you say your Hypocrite Diet works, doesn't make it so. Sorry, who's the one without sources now?
because anyone who studies nutrition knows that hypocaloric diets improve insulin resistance, lipid panel, etc
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16862952
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23963894
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23588462
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23177481
This is something you know nothing about and are biased to the root of what is causing the positive effects upon that body and limiting yourself to only focusing on your 5-2 diet
Low carb diets cause all those effects
low fat diets
high protein
fasting
What do all of those have in common? They are hypocaloric.
Losing fat in general improves insulin resistance.
I agree with this.
I like IF for the big meals and the convenience. I am under no illusion that it has any additional fat loss /lbm retention than an equal macronutrient typical meal frequency. AFAIK there isn't any studies on human subjects that prove that fasting has any ADDITIONAL health benefits over a typical isocaloric meal frequency.
oh and I do 18h (ish) fast just about every day.0 -
benefits of fasting in what regards? Where are you getting this information from?
The benefits other than weight loss that I am referring to are:
-Reduced Cholesterol
-Reduced fat content in blood cells and in the body
-Improved Insulin resistance
-Blood markers of inflammation, including C-reactive protein, also decreased
-Improving and curing of diseases like diabetes and asthma
-boost the production of a protein called brain-derived neurotrophic factor by 50 to 400 percent,
-Cancer prevention
Here are a couple of sources (but they are abundant):
http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/the-benefits-of-occasional-fasting-20121116
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-16/lifestyle/sns-201301151500--tms--premhnstr--k-i20130116-20130116_1_mark-mattson-calorie-restriction-calorie-intake
Those are articles with no references. Those arent true sources.
You do realized being on a hypo caloric diet alone does all of that?
Each of those articles clearly site the studies. Don't be intellectually dishonest. They are there if you bothered to really look.
Just because you say your Hypocrite Diet works, doesn't make it so. Sorry, who's the one without sources now?
because anyone who studies nutrition knows that hypocaloric diets improve insulin resistance, lipid panel, etc
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16862952
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23963894
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23588462
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23177481
This is something you know nothing about and are biased to the root of what is causing the positive effects upon that body and limiting yourself to only focusing on your 5-2 diet
Low carb diets cause all those effects
low fat diets
high protein
fasting
What do all of those have in common? They are hypocaloric.
Losing fat in general improves insulin resistance.
Wow, you're really forging new ground there! Hypo-caloric diets is nothing more than a general nomenclature. Just like hypo-caloric diets are a subset of all Diets. Just like all Diets are a subset of Human Physiology.
But you are wrong, actually Fasting has at least 2 benefits that I can think of that can not be derived through other hypo-caloric diets:
1. Boost the production of the BDNF protein.
2. This I forgot to mention before as another benefit- The production of Nor-epinephrine which can boost training performance, strength, and muscular tone.
But I think you miss one of the most important supporting factors to the many of us who practice the 5:2 lifestyle- the ease of adherence. You get these great benefits along with weight loss and you don't have to experience extended or extreme discomfort. That small caloric consumption makes this particular format of faux fasting easily bearable. In this I know many concur. Also, this makes it easy to practice over extended periods of time, if not, the rest of someones lifetime.0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18582525
benefits of fasting in what regards? Where are you getting this information from?
The benefits other than weight loss that I am referring to are:
-Reduced Cholesterol
-Reduced fat content in blood cells and in the body
-Improved Insulin resistance
-Blood markers of inflammation, including C-reactive protein, also decreased
-Improving and curing of diseases like diabetes and asthma
-boost the production of a protein called brain-derived neurotrophic factor by 50 to 400 percent,
-Cancer prevention
Here are a couple of sources (but they are abundant):
http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/the-benefits-of-occasional-fasting-20121116
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-16/lifestyle/sns-201301151500--tms--premhnstr--k-i20130116-20130116_1_mark-mattson-calorie-restriction-calorie-intake
Those are articles with no references. Those arent true sources.
You do realized being on a hypo caloric diet alone does all of that?
Each of those articles clearly site the studies. Don't be intellectually dishonest. They are there if you bothered to really look.
Just because you say your Hypocrite Diet works, doesn't make it so. Sorry, who's the one without sources now?
because anyone who studies nutrition knows that hypocaloric diets improve insulin resistance, lipid panel, etc
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16862952
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23963894
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23588462
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23177481
This is something you know nothing about and are biased to the root of what is causing the positive effects upon that body and limiting yourself to only focusing on your 5-2 diet
Low carb diets cause all those effects
low fat diets
high protein
fasting
What do all of those have in common? They are hypocaloric.
Losing fat in general improves insulin resistance.
Wow, you're really forging new ground there! Hypo-caloric diets is nothing more than a general nomenclature. Just like hypo-caloric diets are a subset of all Diets. Just like all Diets are a subset of Human Physiology.
But you are wrong, actually Fasting has at least 2 benefits that I can think of that can not be derived through other hypo-caloric diets:
1. Boost the production of the BDNF protein.
2. This I forgot to mention before as another benefit- The production of Nor-epinephrine which can boost training performance, strength, and muscular tone.
But I think you miss one of the most important supporting factors to the many of us who practice the 5:2 lifestyle- the ease of adherence. You get these great benefits along with weight loss and you don't have to experience extended or extreme discomfort. That small caloric consumption makes this particular format of faux fasting easily bearable. In this I know many concur. Also, this makes it easy to practice over extended periods of time, if not, the rest of someones lifetime.
where woudl it boost norepinephrine? lol @ training performance
your information of the benefits you are stating are not unique to the diet0 -
The 5:2 plan is a subset of Hypo-caloric diets. Hypo-caloric diets mean any diet that regulates the intake of calories. It is as if I said to you, "BFD, I can get the benefits you claim from your Hypocrite diet by simply Dieting."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18582525
benefits of fasting in what regards? Where are you getting this information from?
The benefits other than weight loss that I am referring to are:
-Reduced Cholesterol
-Reduced fat content in blood cells and in the body
-Improved Insulin resistance
-Blood markers of inflammation, including C-reactive protein, also decreased
-Improving and curing of diseases like diabetes and asthma
-boost the production of a protein called brain-derived neurotrophic factor by 50 to 400 percent,
-Cancer prevention
Here are a couple of sources (but they are abundant):
http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/the-benefits-of-occasional-fasting-20121116
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-16/lifestyle/sns-201301151500--tms--premhnstr--k-i20130116-20130116_1_mark-mattson-calorie-restriction-calorie-intake
Those are articles with no references. Those arent true sources.
You do realized being on a hypo caloric diet alone does all of that?
Each of those articles clearly site the studies. Don't be intellectually dishonest. They are there if you bothered to really look.
Just because you say your Hypocrite Diet works, doesn't make it so. Sorry, who's the one without sources now?
because anyone who studies nutrition knows that hypocaloric diets improve insulin resistance, lipid panel, etc
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16862952
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23963894
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23588462
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23177481
This is something you know nothing about and are biased to the root of what is causing the positive effects upon that body and limiting yourself to only focusing on your 5-2 diet
Low carb diets cause all those effects
low fat diets
high protein
fasting
What do all of those have in common? They are hypocaloric.
Losing fat in general improves insulin resistance.
Wow, you're really forging new ground there! Hypo-caloric diets is nothing more than a general nomenclature. Just like hypo-caloric diets are a subset of all Diets. Just like all Diets are a subset of Human Physiology.
But you are wrong, actually Fasting has at least 2 benefits that I can think of that can not be derived through other hypo-caloric diets:
1. Boost the production of the BDNF protein.
2. This I forgot to mention before as another benefit- The production of Nor-epinephrine which can boost training performance, strength, and muscular tone.
But I think you miss one of the most important supporting factors to the many of us who practice the 5:2 lifestyle- the ease of adherence. You get these great benefits along with weight loss and you don't have to experience extended or extreme discomfort. That small caloric consumption makes this particular format of faux fasting easily bearable. In this I know many concur. Also, this makes it easy to practice over extended periods of time, if not, the rest of someones lifetime.
where woudl it boost norepinephrine? lol @ training performance
your information of the benefits you are stating are not unique to the diet
Your attempt at a distinction does not prove or disprove anything.0 -
You're confusing your metabolism...
OOOOHHH NOOEESS! Nobody wants a confused metabolism sitting around all day thinking about fluffy kittens. Do your muscles drop off right after your metabolism gets all confused and starts thinking about fluffy kittens or just before?
How can I avoid confusing my metabolism oh enlightened one? Should I eat exactly the same amount of calories every day for the rest of my life like the other 7 billion people on the planet must absolutely be doing to avoid their metabolisms becoming all confused? In fact, I'm sure it must be the case that humans have been weighing every bite of their food on kitchen scales right back to the dawn of time in order to avoid confusing their metabolisms by ensuring that they were eating the same calories every day.....wow that must have been a right sod trying to drag a mammoth on. Would you set your scales to oz or grams for that do you think? :huh:
Lol, I'm not normally a giggler but I did when I read that (poor confused metabolism)...mine is truly effed then.
ps thank your mum for me 0 -
There is evidence if you'd care to look for it. I'm sick of posting the links to studies (the "science" you're looking for) on the subject. I've done it time and again only to have them ignored in favour of belligerent ignorance. I don't personally care if you choose to educate yourself but I do take issue with people calling "mumbo jumbo" when, in fact, they mean "too lazy to learn something new before shooting my mouth off".
There is a post in the 5:2 group called "links to clinical trials" if you actually care (I suspect you've already made up your mind, however).
i have looked. and no, there is no credible evidence it is more effective than a regular calorie deficit.
Well then call me evidence.
Stuck at 60kg since November last year, despite staying at a deficit, despite working out daily as usual. Not even 100g would go from the scale. No size either.
Start 4:3 (5:2 with an extra fast day a week) and BANG..... off comes 4kg in a month. Less working out (well still daily but not as intense) and eating my TDEE 3 days a week. Lost size, lost weight & gained my life back. No longer obsessed with calorie counting & can eat like a normal person & still lose weight.......
Funny how that never happened eating a deficit each day.
BTW people eating a deficit don't need to defend how they eat.... yet for some reason people on 5:2 do? I can't understand why people who are not willing to open their minds or just STFU care what others do. If it's not forced upon you then why do you care? You are not being told THIS is what you have to do. We're not making you do anything.
N=1 is not evidence.
its cause you werent at a deficit. You were miscounting.
Really? Miscounting by about 1000 calories a day then I guess. Funny that.... I eat the same now as I did then, log the same & still do the same workout for just as long & burn the same amount....... I'm losing weight...... guess I'm still miscounting & should start eating like everyone else on MFP.0 -
The 5:2 plan is a subset of Hypo-caloric diets. Hypo-caloric diets mean any diet that regulates the intake of calories. It is as if I said to you, "BFD, I can get the benefits you claim from your Hypocrite diet by simply Dieting."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18582525
benefits of fasting in what regards? Where are you getting this information from?
The benefits other than weight loss that I am referring to are:
-Reduced Cholesterol
-Reduced fat content in blood cells and in the body
-Improved Insulin resistance
-Blood markers of inflammation, including C-reactive protein, also decreased
-Improving and curing of diseases like diabetes and asthma
-boost the production of a protein called brain-derived neurotrophic factor by 50 to 400 percent,
-Cancer prevention
Here are a couple of sources (but they are abundant):
http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/the-benefits-of-occasional-fasting-20121116
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-16/lifestyle/sns-201301151500--tms--premhnstr--k-i20130116-20130116_1_mark-mattson-calorie-restriction-calorie-intake
Those are articles with no references. Those arent true sources.
You do realized being on a hypo caloric diet alone does all of that?
Each of those articles clearly site the studies. Don't be intellectually dishonest. They are there if you bothered to really look.
Just because you say your Hypocrite Diet works, doesn't make it so. Sorry, who's the one without sources now?
because anyone who studies nutrition knows that hypocaloric diets improve insulin resistance, lipid panel, etc
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16862952
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23963894
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23588462
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23177481
This is something you know nothing about and are biased to the root of what is causing the positive effects upon that body and limiting yourself to only focusing on your 5-2 diet
Low carb diets cause all those effects
low fat diets
high protein
fasting
What do all of those have in common? They are hypocaloric.
Losing fat in general improves insulin resistance.
Wow, you're really forging new ground there! Hypo-caloric diets is nothing more than a general nomenclature. Just like hypo-caloric diets are a subset of all Diets. Just like all Diets are a subset of Human Physiology.
But you are wrong, actually Fasting has at least 2 benefits that I can think of that can not be derived through other hypo-caloric diets:
1. Boost the production of the BDNF protein.
2. This I forgot to mention before as another benefit- The production of Nor-epinephrine which can boost training performance, strength, and muscular tone.
But I think you miss one of the most important supporting factors to the many of us who practice the 5:2 lifestyle- the ease of adherence. You get these great benefits along with weight loss and you don't have to experience extended or extreme discomfort. That small caloric consumption makes this particular format of faux fasting easily bearable. In this I know many concur. Also, this makes it easy to practice over extended periods of time, if not, the rest of someones lifetime.
where woudl it boost norepinephrine? lol @ training performance
your information of the benefits you are stating are not unique to the diet
Your attempt at a distinction does not prove or disprove anything.
its proves your "benefits" of your diet are no different than any other hypocaloric diet. You are making it sound like the 5:2t is making you achieve some sort of unique health results0 -
My diet, as you call it, is in fact a hypo-caloric diet. I have already said that 2 times. The method of employment makes it easy for people to use.
its proves your "benefits" of your diet are no different than any other hypocaloric diet. You are making it sound like the 5:2t is making you achieve some sort of unique health results0 -
I'm doing it at present, 500 calories twice a week and 1300 calories on all other days. Also taking vitamins and drinking lots of water. I'm not excluding any foods but have cut out fizzy drinks, tea and coffee. For exercise I'm doing Jillian Michael's 30 day shred every other day rather than every day as I'm also doing lots of work around the house. I've lost 11 pounds in 3 weeks so far.
You're losing because you're averaging 1000 calories a day, not because of the arrangement of how you're eating those calories. Not healthy or sustainable.
I just feel like I need to eat now because of her totals. Holy crap that is low!0 -
You eat the same? But before you were at a deficit and now you're at TDEE or fasting, obviously you can't be eating the same. And if you are, then you must have been eating at TDEE and not a deficit.There is evidence if you'd care to look for it. I'm sick of posting the links to studies (the "science" you're looking for) on the subject. I've done it time and again only to have them ignored in favour of belligerent ignorance. I don't personally care if you choose to educate yourself but I do take issue with people calling "mumbo jumbo" when, in fact, they mean "too lazy to learn something new before shooting my mouth off".
There is a post in the 5:2 group called "links to clinical trials" if you actually care (I suspect you've already made up your mind, however).
i have looked. and no, there is no credible evidence it is more effective than a regular calorie deficit.
Well then call me evidence.
Stuck at 60kg since November last year, despite staying at a deficit, despite working out daily as usual. Not even 100g would go from the scale. No size either.
Start 4:3 (5:2 with an extra fast day a week) and BANG..... off comes 4kg in a month. Less working out (well still daily but not as intense) and eating my TDEE 3 days a week. Lost size, lost weight & gained my life back. No longer obsessed with calorie counting & can eat like a normal person & still lose weight.......
Funny how that never happened eating a deficit each day.
BTW people eating a deficit don't need to defend how they eat.... yet for some reason people on 5:2 do? I can't understand why people who are not willing to open their minds or just STFU care what others do. If it's not forced upon you then why do you care? You are not being told THIS is what you have to do. We're not making you do anything.
N=1 is not evidence.
its cause you werent at a deficit. You were miscounting.
Really? Miscounting by about 1000 calories a day then I guess. Funny that.... I eat the same now as I did then, log the same & still do the same workout for just as long & burn the same amount....... I'm losing weight...... guess I'm still miscounting & should start eating like everyone else on MFP.0 -
You eat the same? But before you were at a deficit and now you're at TDEE or fasting, obviously you can't be eating the same. And if you are, then you must have been eating at TDEE and not a deficit.There is evidence if you'd care to look for it. I'm sick of posting the links to studies (the "science" you're looking for) on the subject. I've done it time and again only to have them ignored in favour of belligerent ignorance. I don't personally care if you choose to educate yourself but I do take issue with people calling "mumbo jumbo" when, in fact, they mean "too lazy to learn something new before shooting my mouth off".
There is a post in the 5:2 group called "links to clinical trials" if you actually care (I suspect you've already made up your mind, however).
i have looked. and no, there is no credible evidence it is more effective than a regular calorie deficit.
Well then call me evidence.
Stuck at 60kg since November last year, despite staying at a deficit, despite working out daily as usual. Not even 100g would go from the scale. No size either.
Start 4:3 (5:2 with an extra fast day a week) and BANG..... off comes 4kg in a month. Less working out (well still daily but not as intense) and eating my TDEE 3 days a week. Lost size, lost weight & gained my life back. No longer obsessed with calorie counting & can eat like a normal person & still lose weight.......
Funny how that never happened eating a deficit each day.
BTW people eating a deficit don't need to defend how they eat.... yet for some reason people on 5:2 do? I can't understand why people who are not willing to open their minds or just STFU care what others do. If it's not forced upon you then why do you care? You are not being told THIS is what you have to do. We're not making you do anything.
N=1 is not evidence.
its cause you werent at a deficit. You were miscounting.
Really? Miscounting by about 1000 calories a day then I guess. Funny that.... I eat the same now as I did then, log the same & still do the same workout for just as long & burn the same amount....... I'm losing weight...... guess I'm still miscounting & should start eating like everyone else on MFP.
But I'm not eating at TDEE at all. In fact I'm eating exactly the same as I was before starting 4:3. No difference, if anything I'm eating more than TDEE cause I eat back exercise as well on TDEE
But then nobody has to defend their WOE to you or anyone else.0 -
Pinkrayne also walks 26 miles in 4 hours, 7 days a week. She's incredible.0
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Pinkrayne also walks 26 miles in 4 hours, 7 days a week. She's incredible.
And you have nothing else to do.
BTW it's pinkraynedrop..... you left some out.
I am incredible.0 -
Bless you. A marathon a day, and still hilarious.0
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I feel like I'm losing brain cells at this point... Can we all just agree 5:2 isn't for everyone, so if you don't like it you don't have to worry about it? It's obviously working great for a lot of people... Personally, I don't take much advice from people who are more concerned about being right than they are about my success.
I will never understand why counting every single morsel that goes into my mouth every single day, for a mere 500 calorie daily deficit, for the sake of a single lost pound over the course of 7 days, is any more sane or sustainable than simply counting up to 500 twice a week. I rarely ever feel hungry. I feel quite good and happy. My appetite is reduced. It was either 5:2 or keep gaining weight, because there was no way I wanted to calorie count 24/7 ever again. It obviously works for me, as it does for others. If it doesn't sound appealing to you, don't do it. Personally, I genuinely have enjoyed fasting and don't want to do anything else.
The most important thing I've experienced on 5:2 is that my relationship with food is improving. The problem with most diets is that you spend 7 days a week following the rules, and yet never get to look at the big picture and just be normal. Conversely, the problem with making subtle changes over time is that the scale hardly ever moves, and you may want to give up. With 5:2, you have 5 days a week to think about making sensible healthy choices. Combine this with fasting and you get to make subtle improvements *while* seeing results on the scale. I think it is the most simple and psychologically sound plan I have found so far, but that's just my experience. As always, others may benefit more from other methods...0 -
The marathon is a long-distance running event with an official distance of 42.195 kilometresBless you. A marathon a day, and still hilarious.
50063 steps taken today
46.18 km traveled today
What was that? Would you like to see every day's results?0 -
Don't you understand that you can't be eating exactly the same if you are switching from a deficit to TDEE? If you're eating exactly the same that means the same exact macros and calories. So you were either eating at TDEE and not at a deficit before, you're completely clueless as to what you're talking about, or you're just lying/trolling.
You eat the same? But before you were at a deficit and now you're at TDEE or fasting, obviously you can't be eating the same. And if you are, then you must have been eating at TDEE and not a deficit.There is evidence if you'd care to look for it. I'm sick of posting the links to studies (the "science" you're looking for) on the subject. I've done it time and again only to have them ignored in favour of belligerent ignorance. I don't personally care if you choose to educate yourself but I do take issue with people calling "mumbo jumbo" when, in fact, they mean "too lazy to learn something new before shooting my mouth off".
There is a post in the 5:2 group called "links to clinical trials" if you actually care (I suspect you've already made up your mind, however).
i have looked. and no, there is no credible evidence it is more effective than a regular calorie deficit.
Well then call me evidence.
Stuck at 60kg since November last year, despite staying at a deficit, despite working out daily as usual. Not even 100g would go from the scale. No size either.
Start 4:3 (5:2 with an extra fast day a week) and BANG..... off comes 4kg in a month. Less working out (well still daily but not as intense) and eating my TDEE 3 days a week. Lost size, lost weight & gained my life back. No longer obsessed with calorie counting & can eat like a normal person & still lose weight.......
Funny how that never happened eating a deficit each day.
BTW people eating a deficit don't need to defend how they eat.... yet for some reason people on 5:2 do? I can't understand why people who are not willing to open their minds or just STFU care what others do. If it's not forced upon you then why do you care? You are not being told THIS is what you have to do. We're not making you do anything.
N=1 is not evidence.
its cause you werent at a deficit. You were miscounting.
Really? Miscounting by about 1000 calories a day then I guess. Funny that.... I eat the same now as I did then, log the same & still do the same workout for just as long & burn the same amount....... I'm losing weight...... guess I'm still miscounting & should start eating like everyone else on MFP.
But I'm not eating at TDEE at all. In fact I'm eating exactly the same as I was before starting 4:3. No difference, if anything I'm eating more than TDEE cause I eat back exercise as well on TDEE
But then nobody has to defend their WOE to you or anyone else.0 -
Oh noes! Lying? Say it ain't so. Because i was planning to emulate the 3 day full fast, daily 4 hour marathon walking miracle myself. She just is so inspiring!0
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I feel like I'm losing brain cells at this point... Can we all just agree 5:2 isn't for everyone, so if you don't like it you don't have to worry about it? It's obviously working great for a lot of people... Personally, I don't take much advice from people who are more concerned about being right than they are about my success.
I will never understand why counting every single morsel that goes into my mouth every single day, for a mere 500 calorie daily deficit, for the sake of a single lost pound over the course of 7 days, is any more sane or sustainable than simply counting up to 500 twice a week. I rarely ever feel hungry. I feel quite good and happy. My appetite is reduced. It was either 5:2 or keep gaining weight, because there was no way I wanted to calorie count 24/7 ever again. It obviously works for me, as it does for others. If it doesn't sound appealing to you, don't do it. Personally, I genuinely have enjoyed fasting and don't want to do anything else.
The most important thing I've experienced on 5:2 is that my relationship with food is improving. The problem with most diets is that you spend 7 days a week following the rules, and yet never get to look at the big picture and just be normal. Conversely, the problem with making subtle changes over time is that the scale hardly ever moves, and you may want to give up. With 5:2, you have 5 days a week to think about making sensible healthy choices. Combine this with fasting and you get to make subtle improvements *while* seeing results on the scale. I think it is the most simple and psychologically sound plan I have found so far, but that's just my experience. As always, others may benefit more from other methods...
This is my experience too I just feel normal and enjoy my food on my non-fast days and on the fasting days I'm never totally starving. My weight was sticking when I was on 1200 calories 24/7 and in the two weeks I have been on 5:2 I have lost 1.5lb each week which is a nice healthy weight loss just hope it continues.0 -
Oh noes! Lying? Say it ain't so. Because i was planning to emulate the 3 day full fast, daily 4 hour marathon walking miracle myself. She just is so inspiring!
Hmmm... you both started in 2011 but she has half of your post count. Maybe she's just spending more time out there walking rather than playing keyboard warrior.0 -
Shhh...don't tell me I started in 2011.... I was here for a while but didn't do anything till Feb 2012 :grumble: I got my kick in the *kitten* then, for some reason though it took 3 months???:embarassed:0
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Pinkrayne also walks 26 miles in 4 hours, 7 days a week. She's incredible.
*scratches head* lol
OP I think it's a fad and all the "benefits" derived from this diet can be achieved from any diet that causes a calorie deficit. IMO the benefits come from losing weight0 -
I feel like I'm losing brain cells at this point... Can we all just agree 5:2 isn't for everyone, so if you don't like it you don't have to worry about it? It's obviously working great for a lot of people... Personally, I don't take much advice from people who are more concerned about being right than they are about my success.
I will never understand why counting every single morsel that goes into my mouth every single day, for a mere 500 calorie daily deficit, for the sake of a single lost pound over the course of 7 days, is any more sane or sustainable than simply counting up to 500 twice a week. I rarely ever feel hungry. I feel quite good and happy. My appetite is reduced. It was either 5:2 or keep gaining weight, because there was no way I wanted to calorie count 24/7 ever again. It obviously works for me, as it does for others. If it doesn't sound appealing to you, don't do it. Personally, I genuinely have enjoyed fasting and don't want to do anything else.
The most important thing I've experienced on 5:2 is that my relationship with food is improving. The problem with most diets is that you spend 7 days a week following the rules, and yet never get to look at the big picture and just be normal. Conversely, the problem with making subtle changes over time is that the scale hardly ever moves, and you may want to give up. With 5:2, you have 5 days a week to think about making sensible healthy choices. Combine this with fasting and you get to make subtle improvements *while* seeing results on the scale. I think it is the most simple and psychologically sound plan I have found so far, but that's just my experience. As always, others may benefit more from other methods...
Ditto, Ditto, and Ditto in a big way! I could not agree more and I just got through my goal today for the first time! :bigsmile:0 -
Shhh...don't tell me I started in 2011.... I was here for a while but didn't do anything till Feb 2012 :grumble: I got my kick in the *kitten* then, for some reason though it took 3 months???:embarassed:
Pinkraynedrop, your weight loss is pretty amazing and inspiring. Do you have any before and after pics? You have lost just about the equivalent of my wife's weight, amazing! I know you don't pay attention to the meanies and the cynics.0
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