What level of physique is ideal to you:woman

bikini

Fitness

Please tell me where in the definition of feminine you posted is any mention of muscular definition or even body composition?

The "soft" part is a start. It also lists "delicate" and "gentle" as synonyms, which do not go hand-in-hand with having large muscles. It lists "masculine" as an antonym, which is defined as thus (notice the parts about muscles, strength, power, etc):

mas·cu·line
ˈmaskyələn/
adjective
adjective: masculine

1.
having qualities or appearance traditionally associated with men, esp. strength and aggressiveness.
"he is outstandingly handsome and robust, very masculine"
synonyms: virile, macho, manly, muscular, muscly, strong, strapping, well built, rugged, robust, brawny, heavily built, powerful, red-blooded, vigorous;
informal: hunky, testosteronic
"a powerfully masculine man"
boyish, unfeminine, unwomanly, Amazonian;
informal: butch
"a rather masculine woman"

I'm with most other people who have responded to this thread. The bikini example is still mostly feminine, but further defined just loses all attractiveness. The only caveat with the bikini version (for me) is that she look like she might have implants. Those will make any woman instantly unattractive, regardless of her build.

Personally, 25-28%BF... with enough muscle to shape up all the right places... is right in my wheelhouse. Wouldn't you know it, that just happens to be what my wife is currently shooting for

Please stop defining femininity by muscle definition. They are hardly related.

I completely disagree. This thread is about looks, not capability or some other character-defining trait. And it's not like I made up the definition myself... In the looks department, feminine has historically been less muscle, more soft. Masculine being the opposite.

Just because you want the term "feminine" to have a different definition, doesn't mean you can just change it. The word means what it means, and I used it correctly.

fem·i·nine
/ˈfemənin/
adjective
adjective: feminine

1.
having qualities or appearance traditionally associated with women, esp. delicacy and prettiness.
"a feminine frilled blouse"
synonyms: womanly, ladylike;
girlish;
soft, delicate, gentle, graceful;
informal: girly
"a very feminine young woman"
antonyms: masculine

So.... if "soft" is feminine and "hard" is masculine...... Which exactly are you?

So.... if "soft" is feminine and "hard" is masculine...... Which exactly are you?

I'm not sure what your point is. Some misinformed person on this thread accused me of making stereotypes and judgments about people because I used the actual definitions of words when giving my opinion. What, exactly, are you attempting to accomplish?

A lil more muslce than bikini, a lil more body fat than fitness. Lol or something like that;)

I like the "fitness model" look. I don't think I can make it an "everyday" look, but I'm a little more muscular than the "bikini-look", on an everyday basis.

Somewhere between bikini & fitness.

dunno if shes up there but I'll take Nicole wilson all day urryday

For myself? None.

Maybe bikini model, but more likely off-season bikini model. They're all fantastic and I admire the dedication, but I'm not willing to make the necessary compromises to my life to be competition level lean. I'd rather hover at a little bit higher body fat percentage, because at that level, I know I don't have to restrict myself in any way.

Same here